Tyler Hilinski Had Stage 1 CTE

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CPHawk":295er10x said:
http://footballscoop.com/news/new-study-reports-higher-concussion-rate-girls-sport-football/

OK. So, what's your point?

Or are you just making a random comment that girls soccer is also dangerous?
 

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Chapow":1xj0kc7a said:
CPHawk":1xj0kc7a said:
http://footballscoop.com/news/new-study-reports-higher-concussion-rate-girls-sport-football/

OK. So, what's your point?

Or are you just making a random comment that girls soccer is also dangerous?

I doubt he read the article, but here is the crux:

"To our knowledge, this is the first study to report that concussions now account for a higher proportion of injuries in girls soccer than boys football. The concussion rate for girls soccer is also increasing rapidly, and is now nearly tied with boys football and 3-fold higher than boys soccer."

So, girls soccer does not have more concussions than football, just that girls soccer players get more concussions than other injuries in comparison to football and their injuries.

it's also important to note that the rates are increasing because the testing is increasing.
 

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Chapow":3du3995c said:
CPHawk":3du3995c said:
http://footballscoop.com/news/new-study-reports-higher-concussion-rate-girls-sport-football/

OK. So, what's your point?

Or are you just making a random comment that girls soccer is also dangerous?


The point is we should wait until they do studies on every sport, and even people who don't play sports before attacking football.

Right now we know football can cause head injuries, but why haven't they done a study on 100 guys who never played any sports? Or do one on 100 guys who played sports, but not football? Give us those numbers.

If the 100 guys who never played sports comes back that 50 show signs of CTE, then let parents and players know there is still a chance you end up with CTE

Right now we are in the stage of saying football is bad, but there is only one study. They need to give parents and kids the real numbers, not just a small part of the equation. If not playing football, only cuts the chances of not having CTE later in live by a minimal amount, that is Important info everyone needs. Maybe it is just football, and every other sport is that much safer, but look into them all, and give us all the accurate numbers. 1 study, done 1 time isnt enough to go on either way.
 

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CPHawk":39cap1a5 said:
Chapow":39cap1a5 said:
CPHawk":39cap1a5 said:
http://footballscoop.com/news/new-study-reports-higher-concussion-rate-girls-sport-football/

OK. So, what's your point?

Or are you just making a random comment that girls soccer is also dangerous?


The point is we should wait until they do studies on every sport, and even people who don't play sports before attacking football.

Right now we know football can cause head injuries, but why haven't they done a study on 100 guys who never played any sports? Or do one on 100 guys who played sports, but not football? Give us those numbers.

If the 100 guys who never played sports comes back that 50 show signs of CTE, then let parents and players know there is still a chance you end up with CTE

Right now we are in the stage of saying football is bad, but there is only one study. They need to give parents and kids the real numbers, not just a small part of the equation. If not playing football, only cuts the chances of not having CTE later in live by a minimal amount, that is Important info everyone needs. Maybe it is just football, and every other sport is that much safer, but look into them all, and give us all the accurate numbers. 1 study, done 1 time isnt enough to go on either way.

who cares if other sports also have players with concussions? the point is that football players have high rates of concussions. because football players should be worried about themselves. So do girls soccer players (and its a major concern for their players), albeit the study focuses on ratios (you asked for "real numbers' but directed us to a study that doesn't actually use them), not totals, as a convenient barometer. It also doesnt take into effect how many football players are actively used in a game, or that their trainings rarely include full contact, while girls soccer trains and plays the same regardless and most members of an 18 person squad would play while a 40 person squad doesnt. But... ratios. It's important when ignoring the glaring issues because some folks are too scared the game may need significant changes.

Isnt the point to make the game safer, more playable for its players? would you really sacrifice a football players health on the premise that girls soccer is also dangerous? That makes no sense. are you really so concerned about the sport and not the athlete that you'd stretch to straw man comparisons? I doubt girls soccer coaches and parents are going "yeah, well football is dangerous too, so what's the big deal?"
 

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CPHawk":3l794sgm said:
The point is we should wait until they do studies on every sport, and even people who don't play sports before attacking football.

This is what I'm saying. If we don't have a good grasp on what normal is, then how can we have a solid opinion on what is and isn't abnormal?

Maybe we do have that info, but I haven't seen any specific studies done on large amounts of people who have never played sports.
 

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fenderbender123":jza9qljc said:
CPHawk":jza9qljc said:
The point is we should wait until they do studies on every sport, and even people who don't play sports before attacking football.

This is what I'm saying. If we don't have a good grasp on what normal is, then how can we have a solid opinion on what is and isn't abnormal?

Maybe we do have that info, but I haven't seen any specific studies done on large amounts of people who have never played sports.


Not sure it matters what "normal" is.

Kids are getting concussions playing sports.

Concussions aren't good for you.

Sports are trying to look at reducing those injuries.

If these kids would have got concussions riding their bikes around the neighborhood if they weren't playing football or soccer it doesn't diminish the fact that they are still getting concussions playing football or soccer. The logic is dismissive.
 

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If we don't study what brains are like on people who never play sports, how are we supposed to compare and contrast the damage caused by playing sports?
 

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fenderbender123":185hcj1b said:
If we don't study what brains are like on people who never play sports, how are we supposed to compare and contrast the damage caused by playing sports?

You don't think there's been plenty of study on the human brain?

Most HS have a base line test that establishes "normal" before they even set foot on a field. They can then determine the impact of any head trauma against that base. It's one of the reasons why all the data being cited in this thread even exists.

Long term impact, CTE, etc. will always be the end. But there is plenty of accessible data to compare/contrast what a brain looks like before and after a sports injury.

Also, again, not sure why it matters if there is damage to a brain playing sports or not playing sports. Little Johnny can bash his head in all kinds of ways. The point is that kids are suffering concussions in sports and people want to mitigate that.
 

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There is beginning to be serious speculation (backed by data) that it is not just concussions.

The repeated collisions, and thus impact to the brain, may also be a significant contributor to CTE.

It becomes much more problematic if the frequency of collisions is a big factor in addition to the actual impact being enough to cause concussions.

Regardless, when they do study college athletes they find it often enough to be troubling. The problem is really that it cannot be determined until an autopsy - so it is much harder to know who really has it. Certainly, the number of former NFL players vs the number of former players sampled is high enough. Given the hit rates vs the number sampled, it seems high enough to be concerned if not outright horrified.
 

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