New seven round Seahawks mock draft

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Overall, I love it. The interest in Mike Davis confuses me in general. It would seem to point a little bit towards throwing in the towel on Christine, which is fine I guess. But the bigger part is that he just doesn't seem to fit the profile.
 

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McGruff":200kowqg said:
Overall, I love it. The interest in Mike Davis confuses me in general. It would seem to point a little bit towards throwing in the towel on Christine, which is fine I guess. But the bigger part is that he just doesn't seem to fit the profile.

In saying this, I like Davis. Quite a bit actually. He's got quick feet that are constantly moving. He runs low to the ground with a good base. He's pretty decisive with his cuts. He catches the ball well. Seems like a high effort blocker.

But he's not Sparq-y really at all.
 
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I think SPARQ is dominating too much of the discussion these days. We have to look at a wide range of factors. I don't have the numbers, but I would be surprised if Justin Britt was particularly SPARQ-y.

I'm not a big Mike Davis fan BTW.
 

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theENGLISHseahawk":xwch6c3x said:
I think SPARQ is dominating too much of the discussion these days. We have to look at a wide range of factors. I don't have the numbers, but I would be surprised if Justin Britt was particularly SPARQ-y.

I'm not a big Mike Davis fan BTW.

I would agree with that if it didn't seem so accurate, especially at skill positions.

But unlike you, I see a lot to like in Davis, and he plays faster in pads than he times in shorts. He's inconsistent, but that could be due to his line as much as anything. When I watch tape, even when he struggles I see what I'd want to see. Quick feet, good base, upfield style . . . I can see why the Seahawks would be intrigued.
 

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It would be nice if the 2nd rd pick was used on a WR other than the 3 mentioned. It's hard to say if one would be available worth grabbing though. Not a fan of the Davis pick but it wouldn't surprise me. I'd rather try to grab an OL like Marpet/Grasu or whichever UDFA Cable likes. I'd also like us to come away with a safety like Adrian Amos if possible. The later picks all seem like they could be Hawks picks, which means they won't be. Overall I like the bottom half more than the top half of this draft.
 

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Well I'm not going to critique the overall draft because who the hell knows how these things turn out 2 or three years down the road. But since you left the trade up in rd2 for us to decide I will try to rationalize it down to a choice.

To start since we took Montgomery in the 4th I'm going to eliminate Lockette since his return skills are half the allure of taking him. Coats may not require a move up and he is kind of a one trick pony at this point for me. That leaves DGB as the player of these 3 that I would take in a trade up unless we can add a 6th to get Devin Smith or Phillip Dorsett instead?

DGB has all the skills to be great its just a matter of can he stay clean & focused and become great? It's a gamble but you can't win the lotto if you don't buy a ticket.
 

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I am totally fine with a RB early-ish. I am totally on board with dealing up to get a WR. Montgomery in the 4th round seems too good to be true.

I like Tyler Lockette and I think Seattle will too, but I think Devin Smith is the guy Seattle would target if they moved up. For a lot of reasons. Our WR corps is loaded with possession types but is very thin in terms of deep ball specialists and Smith is not only the best deep ball WR in a good while, he's also a very good KR. He's also get a lot of fire to him, reminds me a lot of ADB in terms of personality on the field.

I'm fine with a RB, but Mike Davis just looks like he's built wrong or something. Really weird body proportions. Doesn't pass the eyeball test for me and his running style is a bit too linear. I think he's well below Michael in terms of talent and even below Turbin by quite a bit. Davis to me looks like a late round pick, but I guess we'll see where he goes.
 

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theENGLISHseahawk":1bkqy6h2 said:
I think SPARQ is dominating too much of the discussion these days. We have to look at a wide range of factors. I don't have the numbers, but I would be surprised if Justin Britt was particularly SPARQ-y.

I'm not a big Mike Davis fan BTW.


It does dominate. But I think it's dominating in a real/tangible way. Instead of looking at pSPARQ scores, and assuming Seattle has interest -- the correlation has been made the other way. Guys we take and where they rate on the board. Seattle really does tend to value athleticism extremely highly. In the example you gave (OT prospects), we ended up drafting the 1st, 3rd and 10th rated OT by pSPARQ rating.

That trend seems to dominate our day 3 selections -- but as was the cases with Irvin and Wagner and Michael (and we could presume Harvin and now Graham who would have likely dominated in that area similarly) -- it's increasingly difficult to find prospects we've actually drafted who haven't been actually great in this aspect.

Just last year

Richardson wasn't particularly good
Britt top 10
Marsh would have been 4th amongst DTs
Norwood was bad in this ranking
KPL 2nd
Jimmy Staten Poor
Garrett Scott 1st
Eric Pinkins 3rd
Kiero Small Poor


Seattle doesn't always adhere to athleticism. But when they deviate, it's usually for specific other attributes.

I find the methodology sound. By looking at who we take (both in draft, as well as UDFA), it's pretty clear that this athleticism metric really dominates Seattle's talent acquisition model. We are going to probably take 6 guys in the top 5 to 8 at their position groups with the 11 picks we have.

In particular, our O line picks have been high in this aspect. I'd say that bodes well for Marpet if we have to go OL in the 2nd (which I doubt unless there is an unreal run at WR). But certainly Glowinski/Gibson/Morse factor into that. All four of these guys have pSPARQ scores equal to much better than Bitonio of last year. All four should go much MUCH later than he did last year.

It's probably a decent bet that two of these four end up being Hawks. To bang the drum for the likes of Poole or Sambrailo is going to require something special on their parts that would trump our heavy adherence to pSPARQ when it comes to OL draftees. The recent evidence at OL is certainly dominated by guys who perform exceptionally there. Even players we've since let go (Rishaw Johnson, Ryan Seymour, Caylin Hauptmann and Jared Smith). Other than Bailey and Bowie, you have to go back to 2011 when we added guys who weren't great at the metric.
 

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That would be a good selection of players, though I can't see the Seahawks using three picks on OL man. We have a ageing issue with our starting DT's ( 8 yrs, 9yrs and 11yrs)
My first four picks go something like this.
#62 P.J. Williams CB Florida st
#93 Tre McBride WR William & Mary
# 112 Leterrius Walton DT some small school
# 130 Austin Shepherd OG Alabama
 

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Chawker":1t94r8sa said:
That would be a good selection of players, though I can't see the Seahawks using three picks on OL man. We have

I can see three. But this one has 4.
 

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kearly":d15nfmgc said:
I am totally fine with a RB early-ish. I am totally on board with dealing up to get a WR. Montgomery in the 4th round seems too good to be true.

I like Tyler Lockette and I think Seattle will too, but I think Devin Smith is the guy Seattle would target if they moved up. For a lot of reasons. Our WR corps is loaded with possession types but is very thin in terms of deep ball specialists and Smith is not only the best deep ball WR in a good while, he's also a very good KR. He's also get a lot of fire to him, reminds me a lot of ADB in terms of personality on the field.

I'm fine with a RB, but Mike Davis just looks like he's built wrong or something. Really weird body proportions. Doesn't pass the eyeball test for me and his running style is a bit too linear. I think he's well below Michael in terms of talent and even below Turbin by quite a bit. Davis to me looks like a late round pick, but I guess we'll see where he goes.

Ty Montgomery in the 4th may be too good to be true as you say. I read he dropped 10 lbs and ran sub 4.4 at the Stanford pro day. I think he is gonna be a better pro than people give him credit for and his draft stock is going to rise in the next 3 weeks. I would love to get this guy in the 4th along with Devin Smith in rd 2. :D
 

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I like the draft, but unsure of Mike Davis, RB. Fast feet, great linear speed, good vision, holds the ball tight when tackled, waits for blocks to set up, quick decision making, but definitely runs/avoids contact. Can he succeed with the box stacked like Beastmode? Not sure. Now if we had WR that instilled some fear in the D...
 

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I really like the picks overall except the selection of a RB early in the draft. It make no sense to me to draft another running back who will sit on the bench for the entire year, and possibly longer.

Whoever the player is, with a 3rd round pick he'll be nowhere close to the best in his class. We hope the year developing will help him out, but in reality he'd be 4th on the depth chart getting close to zero snaps during the regular season. It's not likely he improves much over the year.

I think the plan of Seattle is for Lynch to play in 2016 ($5m dead cap hit if they cut him), but if by some chance Lynch retires and they don't re-sign Turbin, they at least have an extra year of evaluation on Cmike and if Cmike is for sure not the answer then they can go ahead and draft the best RB available in the draft (which almost every year is there at the end of the 1st round).
 
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Recon_Hawk":2i3fm6lo said:
I really like the picks overall except the selection of a RB early in the draft. It make no sense to me to draft another running back who will sit on the bench for the entire year, and possibly longer.

This was addressed in the piece though.

Next year Lynch could retire and Turbin is out of contract. The objective isn't to wait until the last minute to replace key players and given the difficult nature of having to replace Lynch, it will be vital to be (if anything) over prepared for that eventuality. If you really like a RB in this draft (Seattle is bringing Davis in for a visit) it makes sense to bring him in, stash him and then next year you're covered. The worst case scenario is you've replaced Turbin as the primary backup. The best case is you've got a guy who you are comfortable starting.

They've carried 5 RB's in the past so that's not an issue. They drafted Michael to potentially be a Lynch replacement and that was two years ago. They knew he wouldn't start early and still made the pick. Now we're talking about a pick a round later for a guy who might start as early as 2016.

When you actually sit down and consider it, there's every chance they'll take a RB early. There's certainly a plausible case for it. Doesn't mean it will happen, but there's sense in planning ahead. The last thing you want is to be left with just Michael (who they seemingly don't trust) in a year needing to force the issue to bring in a RB. They need to plan ahead.
 

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Still makes no sense.

Basically drafting a RB high is saying Seattle is planning on the worse case scenario where 1. Lynch retires. 2. Cmike isn't a viable contributor. 3. They don't re-sign Turbin.

Just my feeling but Seattle's not extending lynch 3 years unless they feel he's willing to play for at least two more years. If that's the case they don't also think they need to draft a RB who will see zero snaps during the regular season and put them into a situation in 2016 where they know nothing more about the guy then they do right now.

Cause that's the truth. They won't know if he's a starter possible because he won't get the carries to prove anything. He could be a Turbin replacement or just another Cmike stay on the bench guy.
 

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The only way I can justify spending a 2nd or 3rd on a rb is if it was for a back that we don't currently have on the roster. Ameer Abdulah
 
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Recon_Hawk":17c9s8pi said:
Still makes no sense.

Basically drafting a RB high is saying Seattle is planning on the worse case scenario where 1. Lynch retires. 2. Cmike isn't a viable contributor. 3. They don't re-sign Turbin.

Just my feeling but Seattle's not extending lynch 3 years unless they feel he's willing to play for at least two more years. If that's the case they don't also think they need to draft a RB who will see zero snaps during the regular season and put them into a situation in 2016 where they know nothing more about the guy then they do right now.

Cause that's the truth. They won't know if he's a starter possible because he won't get the carries to prove anything. He could be a Turbin replacement or just another Cmike stay on the bench guy.

I'm not sure why you're struggling to grasp why it makes sense.

Lynch's deal is essentially a year by year contract. He's threatened to retire for two consecutive years. He might play for the full three, but his cap hit this year is $8.5m and it grows rapidly to $11.5m and then $12.5m the next two years. That to me does not look like the structure of a contract that says Seattle expects he'll be here long term, especially when the Russell Wilson cap hits (and Bobby Wagner's, Richard Sherman's, Earl Thomas') are all set to grow annually. I think they're willing to work around Lynch if he wants to play, but the deal suggests they were able to give him some nice up front cash while knowing they won't necessarily face league-leading cap hits for a running back when they have to pay so many other key players major money.

Then you factor in how vital Lynch is to the team. Replacing him, whether it's for 2016 or whenever, is going to be the hardest thing PC and JS have to deal with. This isn't something you do on a whim. "Oh Lynch is retiring? Better look at running backs this year then." You can't over-prepare for this eventuality. If Lynch quits after 2015 you have one contracted running back on the roster. One. And that guy is a second round pick who in two years with the team hasn't even been trusted to be the #2 back. So to be optimistic on Christine Michael's future with the team is to take a giant leap of faith.

If you see a running back in this class you really like with starter potential, from Seattle's point of view it makes perfect sense to stash them. That way in 2016 you have a better competition if Lynch retires and the worst case scenario is you have Turbin's cheap replacement already on the roster. It's clear they're willing to take this approach because they drafted Michael for the future. They didn't spend that 2013 second round pick expecting an immediate impact because they had Lynch. Spending a third round pick when Lynch is closer to the finish line now doesn't make sense? Come on.

Why Davis? Well, he protects well, he's a good pass catcher and he can be a physical runner. That's basically Turbin's skill set. Replacing Turbin (fourth rounder) with Davis (late third rounder) is not a bad transition in terms of cost. Plus however long Lynch is going to play on for he's likely to be increasingly spelled. So Davis would get his opportunities.

They're clearly intrigued by him. They brought Michael in for a visit and drafted him in round two. What if they similarly like Davis? For me it's a projection built on good foundations even if you don't like the player (personally I'm not a big Mike Davis fan).

Doesn't mean it'll happen. But it certainly makes sense.

penihawk":17c9s8pi said:
The only way I can justify spending a 2nd or 3rd on a rb is if it was for a back that we don't currently have on the roster. Ameer Abdulah

The Seahawks don't use backs like that. They like physical, tough runners with plus athleticism. You don't need to deviate from that, especially with the realistic prospect of only having Michael contracted in 2016.
 
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