Should the Seahawks draft a WR with the #63 or #95 pick?

There is plenty to like about Coates, Perriman, DGB, and even Strong, but I just don't see any of them making it to #63, and given some of the WR value picks to be had in later rounds, I just don't see any wisdom in trading up for any of these guys...there are much better ways to spend the #63 pick without losing a 4th round pick. I think OL and DL are our most crucial needs, and the #63 and #95 picks should reflect that need. We just made it to the SB with receivers that are all still on the team, and we've already added Graham...I wouldn't say that screams a critical need for receivers. On the other hand, we just lost 2 starters from our O-Line and Okung will likely be an FA next year. The O-line just seems to me to be of the utmost importance this year, even far more so than in previous years. What if Bailey or Lewis or Jeanpierre play horrible early in the season? What if there is even one injury on the O-Line?

I think the Hawks need a lot of new blood and that they will use it to add some depth, as there have been a lot of FA losses the last couple of years. Although I'm partial to WR's, with all the other needs the Hawks have this year, I just think they will go with 2- WR's in the middle rounds. There are some pretty good WR values to be had there. Ty Montgomery and Tyler Lockett both look like they could become decent WR's, and both have been top return specialists in college. Using a mid round pick to get a future star returner, and the added bonus of a potential future star receiver makes either of these guys worth taking a look at.

Montgomery projects as a 4th to 5th round pick, and if he gets to the 5th, it might be a great value pick for the Hawks. Ty is ranked as a top 5 returner in most returner rankings. 6'0", 221, 4.52.

Lockett is projected to be a 3rd to 4th round pick, and I wouldn't mind the Hawks using a 4th rounder for him. He is the #1 returner on some rankings, and it would fill a glaring hole for the Hawks. Tyler is only 5'10", 182, and he's a slot receiver type, but given his return skills, he could also be the future/backup slot guy. 4.31 in the 40. Could be a legit replacement for Tate.

Chris Conley is the #1 WR in SPARQ and shows a lot of promise as a project WR. Conley is projected to be available in the 4th to 5th rounds, and if he makes it to the 5th round, it could be a great pick for the Seahawks...they love these great athletic types. Chris has good size and speed at 6'2", 213, 4.34. 6'2" with a vertical of 45" equates to being more of a "tall receiver" than a even guy like Chris Matthews. Second overall in broad jump with 11'7".

If these 3 WR's drop down to the right spots, and the Hawks can get Lockett at #112, Montgomery at #167, and Conley at #170, I would be ecstatic. I wouldn't be too butt-hurt if they drafted all three of them even if they had to move up one pick.

Another possibility is RB Ameer Abdullah, the #1 SPARQ ranked RB. He is also a top 10 return specialist, and given that he might be available at #63, he might be a good choice considering that Lynch and Turbin could both be gone next year.

My hope for overall picks by position group is as follows (based on both needs and best position groups available this year):

4- OL
3- WR
1- DL
1- DE
1- LB
1- CB

or:

3- OL
2- WR
1- RB
2- DL
1- DE
1- LB
1- CB

I find it interesting that with every suingle receiver mentioned here, you "want" them to fall to the latter end of their projection. As a fan I understand that, but it makes the questions too easy to answer. Naturally you take them if they fall.

The more interesting question is do you take them earlier to ensure you get them. Because often that is what it comes down to (see Justin Britt) . . . So if Conley or Lockett projects to a 4th round pick, do you take them in the late 3rd to ensure getting them?

Because in the draft, waiting to get the guy you love often means you miss out entirely on the guy you love.

Here is my rankings for WR's right now according to how I think they will perform in the NFL . . . I separated them into tiers based on where I think drop-offs happen . . .

1. Kevin White
2. Amari Cooper
3. Breshard Perriman
4. Chris Conley
5. Sammie Coates
6. Phillip Dorsett

7. DeVante Parker
8. Jalen Strong
9. Devin Smith
10. Tre McBride
11. Dorial Green-Beckham

12. Ty Montgomery
13. Nelson Algholar
14. Darren Waller
15. Tyler Lockett

16. Dezmin Lewis
17. Antwan Goodley
18. Devante Davis
19. Stefon Diggs
20. Rashad Greene
21. Vince Mayle

I wouldn't hesitate to draft any of the top 11 in the 1st or 2nd rounds. After that it spreads out considerably. the next group is 3rd-4th rounders and the last group is more spread out.

I would strongly suggest not forgetting Safety in this draft. It's probably as big a need as anything besides O-Line.

John Schneider comes from GB where their most productive receivers have typically been 2nd or 3rd round guys. In more recent history, Seattle has drafted (Paul Richardson 2nd rd, Kevin Norwood 4th rd, Chris Harper 4th rd, Kris Durham 4th rd, Golden Tate 2nd rd.). So it would seem they don't value WR's too high in the draft, but tend to value the position around the middle rounds. If there is a guy in the 2nd round that falls to them that they love I could see them using that pick on a WR but more than likely I see the 2nd round pick being OL or DL with DB not far behind with the plethora of injuries.

So with that I see them targeting WR in the 3rd and 4th rounds, with a possibility of a flier in the 6th or 7th rounds on a guy they would rather have as an UDFA but don't want to leave the chance of him going to another team as such a possibility. I believe we will come out of this draft with 2 WR's total (one in the 4th and one in the 6th).

I see the players by position # looking something like this (Not in any particular order):

2 - Interior Offensive Linemen
1 - Offensive Tackle
2 - Wide Receivers
1 - Corner Back
1 - Interior Pass Rush Defensive Tackle
1 - Interior Run Stuffing Defensive Tackle
1 - Traditional 4-3 Defensive End
1 - Outside Linebacker / Pass Rusher
1 - Safety

DJrmb":19ivipnr said:

I would strongly suggest not forgetting Safety in this draft. It's probably as big a need as anything besides O-Line.

John Schneider comes from GB where their most productive receivers have typically been 2nd or 3rd round guys. In more recent history, Seattle has drafted (Paul Richardson 2nd rd, Kevin Norwood 4th rd, Chris Harper 4th rd, Kris Durham 4th rd, Golden Tate 2nd rd.). So it would seem they don't value WR's too high in the draft, but tend to value the position around the middle rounds. If there is a guy in the 2nd round that falls to them that they love I could see them using that pick on a WR but more than likely I see the 2nd round pick being OL or DL with DB not far behind with the plethora of injuries.

So with that I see them targeting WR in the 3rd and 4th rounds, with a possibility of a flier in the 6th or 7th rounds on a guy they would rather have as an UDFA but don't want to leave the chance of him going to another team as such a possibility. I believe we will come out of this draft with 2 WR's total (one in the 4th and one in the 6th).

I see the players by position # looking something like this (Not in any particular order):

2 - Interior Offensive Linemen
1 - Offensive Tackle
2 - Wide Receivers
1 - Corner Back
1 - Interior Pass Rush Defensive Tackle
1 - Interior Run Stuffing Defensive Tackle
1 - Traditional 4-3 Defensive End
1 - Outside Linebacker / Pass Rusher
1 - Safety

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It sounds like you are pretty much on the same page as I am when it comes to WR picks...I also didn't want to waste any of our picks on Day 2 on WR's. The ones I mentioned will probably be available in the 4th and 5th rounds. Also, 2 of the guys I mentioned double as KR/PR. I did however say that Abdullah might be a good RB pick if he falls to #63, but that I wouldn't trade up for him.

Regarding the number of picks by position group, I had 2 options listed...the second option was as follows:

3- OL
2- WR
1- RB
2- DL
1- DE
1- LB
1- CB

The only difference between my second option list and your list is that I had a RB and you had a safety. My reason for this is two-fold...first, the safety group is generally horrible in this draft. There will be some teams that have to have a safety right now, and that will make it even worse slim pickings. Second, currently, Shead and Pinkins are backups for Thomas, and Terrell and Bailey are backups for Chancellor. To think that the Hawks can get a safety in the draft this week that will be "NFL ready" to start and replace Earl or Kam this year is not realistic. At least we are somewhat set being that Earl and Kam are not leaving the team anytime soon (I think that if Earl or Kam go down for any significant amount of time, we're screwed anyway) At RB, both Lynch and Turbin could easily be gone next year. If we're able to get a RB like Abdullah, at least we have a college top-10 return guy , and he'd be with the team for at least 2 years after Lynch, Michael and Turbin are all gone.

McGruff":missyzsh said:

Here is my rankings for WR's right now according to how I think they will perform in the NFL . . . I separated them into tiers based on where I think drop-offs happen . . .

1. Kevin White
2. Amari Cooper
3. Breshard Perriman
4. Chris Conley
5. Sammie Coates
6. Phillip Dorsett

7. DeVante Parker
8. Jalen Strong
9. Devin Smith
10. Tre McBride
11. Dorial Green-Beckham

12. Ty Montgomery
13. Nelson Algholar
14. Darren Waller
15. Tyler Lockett

16. Dezmin Lewis
17. Antwan Goodley
18. Devante Davis
19. Stefon Diggs
20. Rashad Greene
21. Vince Mayle

I wouldn't hesitate to draft any of the top 11 in the 1st or 2nd rounds. After that it spreads out considerably. the next group is 3rd-4th rounders and the last group is more spread out.

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You have Conley in your top 5 which is fine, but he is projected for a 4th or 5th round pick...I really hope they take Conley, just not in the 1st or 2nd round. The other 10 guys in your top 11 will most likely not be available at #63. To get any of those guys, that would mean a trade up...that was my point...I don't think it's worth it for the Hawks to lose a 4th round pick to get any of those guys. Your 3rd tier includes both of the guys, Montgomery and Lockett, that I said would be good value picks for the 4th or 5th rounds, especially given that they are both return guys. But your list looks pretty much right on.

McGruff":kpzei07n said:

I find it interesting that with every suingle receiver mentioned here, you "want" them to fall to the latter end of their projection. As a fan I understand that, but it makes the questions too easy to answer. Naturally you take them if they fall.

The more interesting question is do you take them earlier to ensure you get them. Because often that is what it comes down to (see Justin Britt) . . . So if Conley or Lockett projects to a 4th round pick, do you take them in the late 3rd to ensure getting them?

Because in the draft, waiting to get the guy you love often means you miss out entirely on the guy you love.

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My point wasn't necessarily that you actually draft these guys, more so that I don't think it's really worth it to try to get a top-10 WR in the draft because it will most likely cost a 4th round pick due to trading up. I was saying that the middle rounds are a better place to draft WR's in this draft because of the way the WR rankings fall in place vs. where we have available draft picks. Having the #63 pick means we miss all the top WR's. But there are some that have potential that should be available in the middle rounds, and at the same time, some of those guys also have KR/PR experience. It's not that I love these guys...I like them mostly for the fact that they can possibly fill 2 needs, WR and KR/PR, making them much more attractive for this draft. So I guess I don't think it's worth it to reach on any WR in this draft...if they fall to the spots I mentioned, then take them, but don't pick them 2 rounds early.

DJrmb":1zfqgh07 said:

I would strongly suggest not forgetting Safety in this draft. It's probably as big a need as anything besides O-Line.

John Schneider comes from GB where their most productive receivers have typically been 2nd or 3rd round guys. In more recent history, Seattle has drafted (Paul Richardson 2nd rd, Kevin Norwood 4th rd, Chris Harper 4th rd, Kris Durham 4th rd, Golden Tate 2nd rd.). So it would seem they don't value WR's too high in the draft, but tend to value the position around the middle rounds. If there is a guy in the 2nd round that falls to them that they love I could see them using that pick on a WR but more than likely I see the 2nd round pick being OL or DL with DB not far behind with the plethora of injuries.

So with that I see them targeting WR in the 3rd and 4th rounds, with a possibility of a flier in the 6th or 7th rounds on a guy they would rather have as an UDFA but don't want to leave the chance of him going to another team as such a possibility. I believe we will come out of this draft with 2 WR's total (one in the 4th and one in the 6th).

I see the players by position # looking something like this (Not in any particular order):

2 - Interior Offensive Linemen
1 - Offensive Tackle
2 - Wide Receivers
1 - Corner Back
1 - Interior Pass Rush Defensive Tackle
1 - Interior Run Stuffing Defensive Tackle
1 - Traditional 4-3 Defensive End
1 - Outside Linebacker / Pass Rusher
1 - Safety

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Safety is a position that certainly concerns many of us. Sadly this is a weak draft for them. Since this thread is specifically about the #63 and #95 I don't see the Hawks getting a safety that early. The truth is in most drafts you are not going to find an Earl Thomas even if you have a top 7 pick. He is the most irreplaceable piece on the defense and perhaps on the team. If the team should lose him for any extended period of time IMO they would have to compensate with scheme adjustment. They would play cover 2. That being said the team does have Dion Bailey, Shead, Pinkens and Terrell Thomas. Since Jeron Johnson, Maragos, Bailey, Shead and T. Thomas were all UDFA it wouldn't surprise me if the Hawks didn't draft a safety this year. They may pick one on day 3. Chancellor and Legree were both 5th rounders. It's not a position the Hawks have invested draft capital except for Earl who is a HOF in waiting and singularly unique at his position.

Hawks won't draft a WR according to this report:

"The team feels strong about their wide receiver depth so do not expect the Seahawks to draft anyone there."



http://www.sportsworldreport.com/articl ... ennett.htm

It seems all we've talked about over the last few weeks is which WR we'll pick in the second round, mostly due to the 'sexiness' of the position I guess.

I guess a lot of it comes down to how well the Hawks think Chris Matthews will develop as to how they play the draft with WR's.

I still think we will pick one up in the second and the. Go crazy with D & O line in the mid rounds.

This is one of the better 2nd tier WR groups I can ever remember seeing, although sadly that sucking sound you hear is half of them being sucked into the weakest 1st round in many years. It was actually a good year to have a #31 pick, if you needed a WR.

I dunno, I guess I'm a big fan of turning a #63 pick and 10 others into a #43 pick and 8 or 9 others. I think if Seattle stays at #63, they are probably looking at a bunch of John Moffitt's and Jordan Hill types, try-hard guys with mid-round pick level talent. Unless Seattle gets really lucky I don't see almost any difference between their #63 and #95 picks in terms of talent pool.

I'd be a little surprised if either Conley or Lockette made it to any of our 4th round picks. And though I like both, Conley is basically a sub-package WR and Lockette is a pure slot guy competing with Baldwin and Graham at that spot. A guy like Devin Smith, Breshad Perriman or DGB would make an immediate impact, guys like Lockette and Conley probably wouldn't.

I don't know if there is any truth to the DGB rumors. But I do look at Seattle's roster and see outside WR as clearly the #1 need, and it matches with above average opportunity in the early to mid 2nd round.

You know what? I think I'd trade our 1st round pick next year to move up for DGB or Perriman and I think JS probably would as well given his opinion of them.

At least we don't have much longer to wait to find out!

One thing for sure, those guys are going to be awful antsy waiting for #63 to come up while many of their boards players get picked. I'm not sure they can do that, and really I wouldn't put trading a player (s) out of the equasion.

original poster":3rzwmlxm said:

You know what? I think I'd trade our 1st round pick next year to move up for DGB or Perriman and I think JS probably would as well given his opinion of them.

At least we don't have much longer to wait to find out!

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Considering we now know that Schneider evaluated only 16 1st round worthy prospects, and then traded THIS year's first round pick away, I highly doubt we trade next year's first round pick for a suspect first round prospect.

With Graham the Hawks already got a legit offensive weapon who can be plugged in immediately so as much as some people think we surely must be looking at WR early, I really think the Hawks are going in another direction.

We don't have the cap space to pay everyone a big FA deal when their time comes up, so we really need to try to find possible replacements across the board. I think Schneider has some positions that he really wants to address in the draft, but we need BPA hopefully at a position of need.

Besides, if the Hawks end up completely missing out on WR in the draft then it improves our chances of landing a top UDFA, and it means more vets will be released and hit the open market. Bryan Walters saw a decent amount of action last year at WR so all we have to do is sign someone better than Walters and we have already improved depth.

I haven't studied this years draft in detail but I have looked at Center and WR and there isn't a Center mocked in that area that I like . I agree with Kearly the BPA at 63 will likely be a WR.So if they draft a WR I will be interested to see who it is. If it's a Center i'll be somewhat disappointed. If it's another position i'll cross my fingers and hope they got it right and hopefully it's a DT.

Largent80":3gdhcwn2 said:

One thing for sure, those guys are going to be awful antsy waiting for #63 to come up while many of their boards players get picked. I'm not sure they can do that, and really I wouldn't put trading a player (s) out of the equasion.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see a player get traded either, actually. Three players spring to mind...Michael Bennett, Bruce Irvin and Lynch spring to mind. I'd be gutted to see any of them go, but wouldn't be shocked.

My first thought was Irvin in a trade, Bennett and Lynch?....I'm not thinking either of them would be traded.

Who is replacing Irvin at SAM?

penihawk":21yiejaz said:

Who is replacing Irvin at SAM?

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No one since hes still on the team. If you didn't have him im sure KJ would move to SAM, Wager at MIKE, and KPL at WILL.