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Trade down 1st round pick #26 to Raiders for 2nd round pick #44 and 3rd round pick #75.

2nd round Pick #44- DE/DT Jonathan Bullard; alternates...T Jason Spriggs, T Germain Ifedi
2nd round Pick #56- T Germain Ifedi; alternates...C Ryan Kelly, C Nick Martin, DT Bronson Kaufusi,
3rd round Pick #75- C Ryan Kelly; alternates...RB Kenneth Dixon, DT Javon Hargrave
3rd round Pick #90- OLB Kyler Fackrell; alternates...T Joe Haeg, T Le'Raven Clark
3rd round Pick #97- G Connor McGovern; alternates...OLB Deion Jones, G Joshua Garnett
4th round Pick #124- CB Jonathan Jones; alternates...G Graham Glasgow, G Joe Dahl, OLB Travis Feeney, RB Tyler Ervin
5th round Pick #171- RB Keith Marshall; alternates...TE Tanner McEvoy, DE Alex McCalister, FS Justin Simmons
6th round Pick #215- FB Dan Vitale; alternates...FS Keanu Neal, DE Stephen Weatherly
7th round Pick #225- WR Ricardo Louis; alternates...WR Devon Cajuste, DT Connor Wujciak
7th round Pick #247- S Derrick Kindred; alternates...DE Dean Lowry, DT Joel Heath
UDFA- ILB B.J. Goodson, OLB Devonte Bond
 

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Willyeye":2m6my8q2 said:
Trade down 1st round pick #26 to Raiders for 2nd round pick #44 and 3rd round pick #75.

2nd round Pick #44- DE/DT Jonathan Bullard; alternates...T Jason Spriggs, T Germain Ifedi
2nd round Pick #56- T Germain Ifedi; alternates...C Ryan Kelly, C Nick Martin, DT Bronson Kaufusi,
3rd round Pick #75- C Ryan Kelly; alternates...RB Kenneth Dixon, DT Javon Hargrave
3rd round Pick #90- OLB Kyler Fackrell; alternates...T Joe Haeg, T Le'Raven Clark
3rd round Pick #97- G Connor McGovern; alternates...OLB Deion Jones, G Joshua Garnett
4th round Pick #124- CB Jonathan Jones; alternates...G Graham Glasgow, G Joe Dahl, OLB Travis Feeney, RB Tyler Ervin
5th round Pick #171- RB Keith Marshall; alternates...TE Tanner McEvoy, DE Alex McCalister, FS Justin Simmons
6th round Pick #215- FB Dan Vitale; alternates...FS Keanu Neal, DE Stephen Weatherly
7th round Pick #225- WR Ricardo Louis; alternates...WR Devon Cajuste, DT Connor Wujciak
7th round Pick #247- S Derrick Kindred; alternates...DE Dean Lowry, DT Joel Heath
UDFA- ILB B.J. Goodson, OLB Devonte Bond

I see Germain gone by pick 56 and no way Ryan kelly makes it to the third round
 
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goseahawks2012":1cfpkfne said:
Willyeye":1cfpkfne said:
Trade down 1st round pick #26 to Raiders for 2nd round pick #44 and 3rd round pick #75.

2nd round Pick #44- DE/DT Jonathan Bullard; alternates...T Jason Spriggs, T Germain Ifedi
2nd round Pick #56- T Germain Ifedi; alternates...C Ryan Kelly, C Nick Martin, DT Bronson Kaufusi,
3rd round Pick #75- C Ryan Kelly; alternates...RB Kenneth Dixon, DT Javon Hargrave
3rd round Pick #90- OLB Kyler Fackrell; alternates...T Joe Haeg, T Le'Raven Clark
3rd round Pick #97- G Connor McGovern; alternates...OLB Deion Jones, G Joshua Garnett
4th round Pick #124- CB Jonathan Jones; alternates...G Graham Glasgow, G Joe Dahl, OLB Travis Feeney, RB Tyler Ervin
5th round Pick #171- RB Keith Marshall; alternates...TE Tanner McEvoy, DE Alex McCalister, FS Justin Simmons
6th round Pick #215- FB Dan Vitale; alternates...FS Keanu Neal, DE Stephen Weatherly
7th round Pick #225- WR Ricardo Louis; alternates...WR Devon Cajuste, DT Connor Wujciak
7th round Pick #247- S Derrick Kindred; alternates...DE Dean Lowry, DT Joel Heath
UDFA- ILB B.J. Goodson, OLB Devonte Bond

I see Germain gone by pick 56 and no way Ryan kelly makes it to the third round

My list has alternates...there's a pretty good chance that Bullard doesn't make it to #44, and if he doesn't, Spriggs might also be gone...then Ifedi would be Pick #44. If they get Ifedi at Pick #44, next up would be Ryan Kelly at #56...I think he'll make it that far.
 
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titan3131":2yocjjud said:
Typically a wishlist isn't realistic...

I think most of it is pretty realistic...that's why I have alternates...just in case I was overly optimistic. It's definitely more realistic than using a 2nd round pick to get a RT ranked in the 5th round in 2014...never did like that pick.
 
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Largent80":exanvlql said:
This is a draft that we need to use the first rounder on this deep pool of OL.

Bullard is a decent pass rusher from the edge and the inside...I just thought that perhaps it would be a good idea to get another pass rusher. I think one more great pass rusher would have made all the difference in the world for our defense.

Regarding the O-Line, I am in 100% agreement with you. Bullard will most likely not make it to #44. If you look at my alternates, both are Tackles that would most likely be ready to start at some point during the upcoming season. So realistically, in my scenario, the Hawks would be picking a Tackle at #44, a Center at #56, and a LG at #97...that would be THREE O-Line picks out of the first 5 picks (2nd and 3rd rounds).
 

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Willyeye":1p64wx2z said:
Trade down 1st round pick #26 to Raiders for 2nd round pick #44 and 3rd round pick #75.

2nd round Pick #44- DE/DT Jonathan Bullard; alternates...T Jason Spriggs, T Germain Ifedi
2nd round Pick #56- T Germain Ifedi; alternates...C Ryan Kelly, C Nick Martin, DT Bronson Kaufusi,
3rd round Pick #75- C Ryan Kelly; alternates...RB Kenneth Dixon, DT Javon Hargrave
3rd round Pick #90- OLB Kyler Fackrell; alternates...T Joe Haeg, T Le'Raven Clark
3rd round Pick #97- G Connor McGovern; alternates...OLB Deion Jones, G Joshua Garnett
4th round Pick #124- CB Jonathan Jones; alternates...G Graham Glasgow, G Joe Dahl, OLB Travis Feeney, RB Tyler Ervin
5th round Pick #171- RB Keith Marshall; alternates...TE Tanner McEvoy, DE Alex McCalister, FS Justin Simmons
6th round Pick #215- FB Dan Vitale; alternates...FS Keanu Neal, DE Stephen Weatherly
7th round Pick #225- WR Ricardo Louis; alternates...WR Devon Cajuste, DT Connor Wujciak
7th round Pick #247- S Derrick Kindred; alternates...DE Dean Lowry, DT Joel Heath
UDFA- ILB B.J. Goodson, OLB Devonte Bond

There are a lot of names on this list that I like:

-- C Nick Martin
-- RB Kenneth Dixon
-- OLB Deion Jones
-- G Graham Glasgow
-- OLB Travis Feeney
-- TE Tanner McEvoy
-- WR Devon Cajuste
-- DT Connor Wujciak

I would add the following:

-- G/T Denver Kirkland
-- TE Nick Vannett
-- WR Paul McRoberts
-- WR Jaydon Mickens
-- QB Vernon Adams
 
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(updated a bit from yesterday): Trade down 1st round pick #26 to Raiders for 2nd round pick #44 and 3rd round pick #75.

2nd round Pick #44- C Ryan Kelly; alternates...DE/DT Jonathan Bullard, T Jason Spriggs, T Germain Ifedi
2nd round Pick #56- DT Bronson Kaufusi; alternates...DE Shilique Calhoun, DT Adolphus Washington
3rd round Pick #75- G Connor McGovern; alternates...DT Javon Hargrave, RB Kenneth Dixon, C/G Nick Martin
3rd round Pick #90- T Joe Haeg; alternates...OLB Kyler Fackrell, DT Sheldon Day, T Le'Raven Clark
3rd round Pick #97- RB Tyler Ervin; alternates...CB Jonathan Jones, OLB Deion Jones, G Joshua Garnett
4th round Pick #124- OLB Travis Feeney; alternates...CB James Bradberry, G Joe Dahl, C/G Graham Glasgow
5th round Pick #171- FS Justin Simmons; alternates...RB Keith Marshall, TE Tanner McEvoy, T Brandon Shell
6th round Pick #215- FB Dan Vitale; alternates...DE Stephen Weatherly, G Joe Thuney, DE Alex McCalister
7th round Pick #225- WR Ricardo Louis; alternates...DT Connor Wujciak (or UDFA), WR Devon Cajuste, WR Trevor Davis
7th round Pick #247- S Derrick Kindred; alternates...DE Dean Lowry (or UDFA), DT Joel Heath (or UDFA)
UDFA- ILB B.J. Goodson, OLB Devonte Bond, QB Vernon Adams, QB Jeff Driskell, CB Juston Burris, T Caleb Benenoch, T Tyler Johnstone, C Jake Brendel
 

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Don't give up, Willeye! No matter what the critics say . . . Dreamers dream. Dream on.
 
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McGruff":1b3a7s0g said:
Don't give up, Willeye! No matter what the critics say . . . Dreamers dream. Dream on.

Thank you for the kind words...I was starting to get depressed...seemed like everybody hates my list. I just want the best for the Seahawks. I really don't see why my list is so bad after tweaking it a little.
 

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Willeye. We don't hate the list. We hate t
How impossible it is. Your trade down is so favorable for the hawks it isnt likely.

In fact I like a lot all of the choosen players just the scenrio suggested is far fetched
 
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titan3131":19e4qd63 said:
Willeye. We don't hate the list. We hate t
How impossible it is. Your trade down is so favorable for the hawks it isnt likely.

In fact I like a lot all of the choosen players just the scenrio suggested is far fetched

There is a chart called the "Draft Trade Value Chart"...it's use is quite common, even by NFL teams. In this case, Pick #26 is valued at 700 points. The Raiders' Pick #44 is valued at 460 points and their Pick #75 is valued at 215. So the two Raider picks, 460+215= 675, are valued at 675 points as compared to 700 points for the Seahawks. So actually, this trade would be considered favorable to the Raiders. Of course, such a trade would hinge on whether the Raiders have a need they'd want to fill at #26 in the 1st round. There would be other options for such a trade.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/d ... _value.htm
 

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From my understanding is that the chart you refer too is outdated.

That's the general consensus I have seen here, on robs blog, field gulls, draft Twitter ect.
 
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titan3131":2d20ndtx said:
From my understanding is that the chart you refer too is outdated.

That's the general consensus I have seen here, on robs blog, field gulls, draft Twitter ect.

That's very odd, given that there are DOZENS of football websites that currently use this exact same trade value chart. If there is a new chart somewhere, please let me know where to find it. Although, if there is one, it must be pretty obscure. I've never seen anyone on SDB or FG use a different one.

I'm not sure what I did to upset you, but you seem to pick apart everything I say, and you don't seem to care even if you're wrong.
 

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Willyeye":18c5dwgn said:
titan3131":18c5dwgn said:
From my understanding is that the chart you refer too is outdated.

That's the general consensus I have seen here, on robs blog, field gulls, draft Twitter ect.

That's very odd, given that there are DOZENS of football websites that currently use this exact same trade value chart. If there is a new chart somewhere, please let me know where to find it. Although, if there is one, it must be pretty obscure. I've never seen anyone on SDB or FG use a different one.

I'm not sure what I did to upset you, but you seem to pick apart everything I say, and you don't seem to care even if you're wrong.

The problem is the economics of the new CBA changed the value of picks, especially high picks, dramatically, as did the 5th year option on 1st round picks. That is further complicated by the fact that different teams value that 5th year option differently.

Some other charts have been put forward by draftniks and advanced mathematics sites, but they are at best approximations.

While the traditional Trade value chart is outdated, it probably remains the best ballpark resource out there.

I suspect your trade down scenario is more likely to fetch a 4th round pick and change, but that's partly because Schnieder is pretty generous in trades.
 
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McGruff":7qfsxfx2 said:
Willyeye":7qfsxfx2 said:
titan3131":7qfsxfx2 said:
From my understanding is that the chart you refer too is outdated.

That's the general consensus I have seen here, on robs blog, field gulls, draft Twitter ect.

That's very odd, given that there are DOZENS of football websites that currently use this exact same trade value chart. If there is a new chart somewhere, please let me know where to find it. Although, if there is one, it must be pretty obscure. I've never seen anyone on SDB or FG use a different one.

I'm not sure what I did to upset you, but you seem to pick apart everything I say, and you don't seem to care even if you're wrong.

The problem is the economics of the new CBA changed the value of picks, especially high picks, dramatically, as did the 5th year option on 1st round picks. That is further complicated by the fact that different teams value that 5th year option differently.

Some other charts have been put forward by draftniks and advanced mathematics sites, but they are at best approximations.

While the traditional Trade value chart is outdated, it probably remains the best ballpark resource out there.

I suspect your trade down scenario is more likely to fetch a 4th round pick and change, but that's partly because Schnieder is pretty generous in trades.

So you're thinking they would trade a 1st round pick at #26 for a 2nd round, 4th round, and maybe a 6th or 7th round pick? I guess that would make sense.

In 2015, if you look at the outdated values of the Lockett trade last year just for ballpark values, the Hawks received #69 (245 points)...they gave the Redskins #95 (120 points), #112 (70 points), #167 (24.6 points), and #181 (19 points) for a total of 233.6 points. So Schneider gained 11.4 points on that trade, even though he was obviously the one that intiated the trade. I wouldn't say he was that generous there.

In 2014, JS traded pick #32 to the Vikes for picks #40 and #108. #32 is valued at 590...#40 is valued at 500 and #108 is valued at 78. So JS gave away 590 and got back 578. JS then traded away #40 (500) and #146 (33) to the Lions for #45 (450), #111 (72), and #227 (0)...so JS gave away 533 and got back 522. JS then traded away #111 (72) to the Bengals for #123 (49) and #199 (11.8)...so JS gave away 72 and got back 60.8. True JS was generous in that draft, but it's all about context. JS wanted more picks...he turned 5 picks into 9 picks.

The bottom line, trade values don't necessarily reflect what actually happened in the trade. It's not a perfect science. The chances that the values of a trade work out perfectly are pretty slim. They can get close, but there will always be "change" left on the table. I think in 2014, JS simply got unlucky that he was on the losing end of the change on all 3 trades. I don't think he was being generous...I think it's just the way it worked out. But you are right, it does seem like JS mostly ends up on the short end of the stick.

After looking at the history of JS' drafts, I'm inclined to think there's a good chance that he does trade away his 1st round pick at #26. He traded the 1st round pick in 2015 for Jimmy Graham...he traded the 1st round pick in 2014 for more picks...he traded the 1st round pick in 2013 for Percy Harvin. He even traded down in 2012...his 1st round pick at #12 to the Eagles for their #15 pick. I think if he could have found a taker, he'd have traded down even further...I don't think he really wanted to spend the #15 pick on Bruce Irvin, as Irvin was ranked around #50 on most mocks. That's 4 consecutive years where JS didn't really want a 1st round pick. I think he trades it again.
 
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New twist...after looking some more, I'm thinking that the area of the draft from 50-80 is rather thin. Instead of trading down into that area, I'm thinking that JS might keep pick #26 and use picks #56 and #90 to get a pick at around #42. Here would be my new 7 round mock:

#26- DE/DTJonathan Bullard
#42- C Ryan Kelly
#97- G Connor McGovern
#124- RB Tyler Ervin
#171- T Brandon Shell
#215- FB Dan Vitale
#225- CB Juston Burris
#247- WR Ricardo Louis
UDFA- OLB Devante Bond, DT Connor Wujciak, DT Joel Heath, S Derrick Kindred, CB DeAndre Elliott, DE Dean Lowry, ILB B.J. Goodson, QB Vernon Adams, QB Jeff Driskell, T Caleb Benenoch, T Tyler Johnstone, C Jake Brendel, WR Mitch Matthews
 
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