My never-going-to-happen dream draft

kearly

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This is isn't based on team realism, it's simply based on how I would do this draft as a Seahawks fan. Picks are based loosely on Draft Breakdown's consensus big board which averages the big boards of 44 different ratings agencies.

1. DE Emmanuel Ogbah, Oklahoma St.
2. T Shon Coleman, Auburn
3. T Le'Raven Clark, Texas Tech
3. DT Javon Hargrave, South Carolina St.
4. WR Mike Thomas, Southern Mississippi
5. G Connor McGovern, Missouri
6. RB Tyler Ervin, San Jose St.
7. QB Vernon Adams, Oregon
7. DT/G Justin Zimmer, Ferris St.

Emmanuel Ogbah's tools stand head and shoulders above the rest of the outside pass rushers in this draft. He also produced very good numbers in college playing in a power five conference and saw marked improvement from 2014 to 2015. He gets knocked for effort but his motor runs well when it needs to. Still has things to work on, but vine arms and explosive athleticism remind me of Jason Pierre Paul. He doesn't yet fit the Michael Bennett mold but Ogbah could probably handle the Bruce Irvin or Cliff Avril pass rush roles just fine. If players were drafted purely on maximum upside, Ogbah would be a top five pick.

Shon Coleman deserves to be a 1st round pick, but medical concerns, a history with cancer, and an inability to perform in the drills will probably cause Coleman to fall into the late second round if not into rounds 3 or 4. Coleman does have issues with technique at times but it's generally the coachable variety.

Le'Raven Clark is as extreme a case of a waist bender as you'll ever see, but he has the longest arms (and biggest hands) in the draft and arguably the quickest feet of any offensive lineman. Normally I would not expect a player with his waist bend to ever stick at LT, but I think his tools are so good that they give him a chance to make it work in the NFL. I think he goes sooner than this in reality but the consensus boards currently rank him as a late 3rd rounder.

Javon Hargrave is probably this year's least over-rated DT, in that he's 90% as good as the 1st round group is but comes with a 3rd round price tag. In terms of value, he reminds me of Jordan Hill a few years ago. In terms of tape, he reminds me of a poor man's Brandon Mebane.

Mike Thomas established himself as a draft crush after his bowl game for many around here, myself included. It looked like he was destined to be a late round pick due to a lack of hype, but over the past couple months it seems as if his stock is warming, to the point where he now ranks solidly in the 4th round of the consensus rankings. Thomas isn't a perfect WR, but he has a hint of OBJ in his game and is a standout athlete on the field. He produced jaw dropping numbers in 2015, even when facing power five schools his production still stayed at a very high level.

McGovern is kind of an athletic JAG, and this is reflected in a consensus ranking that puts him at #204 overall. This makes intuitive sense since Mark Glowinski was a better athlete with better tape and Glow lasted until the end of the 4th round last year. Other teams don't give as much importance to athleticism in the later rounds as Seattle does, so it's something the Seahawks can use to their advantage when looking for value. This is something I feel similarly about. With all that said, McGovern is fairly ordinary as a player but I like his playing strength and I like his aura of dependability. Zane Beadles is a good comp for him.

Tyler Ervin ranks #200 on the consensus list and the reasoning is easy to understand. There really isn't a precedent for a runner like Ervin having success in the NFL at his current size, and so teams might view him purely as a kick returner or specialist. Regardless of that, I like Ervin as a change of pace RB who can provide returner insurance for Tyler Lockett. If Ervin doesn't last this long, I would consider Marshaun Coprich.

Vernon Adams is hard to find on big boards these days, as most people accept that his sickle-cell disease and history of injury while standing 5'11" will make him a UDFA. That said, I think Adams is the closest thing college football has produced to Russell Wilson since 2012. My guess is that Seattle will purposely avoid drafting him before making a push in UDFA, but I'd rather spend the draft pick and not take that chance.

Justin Zimmer was mentioned by McGruff previously as a DT to watch. I like him as a JR Sweezy type convert. If you saw him walking down the sideline, you would think he was a guard based on his build. He also plays with an exceptional nasty streak and exhibits fluid movement skills. Most importantly, Zimmer's athletic measurements are pretty crazy.

6'3", 303 pounds.
4.85 forty time
4.4 short shuttle
7.0 three cone
32" vertical jump
9'9" broad jump
44 reps on bench press

In other words, Zimmer is this year's verion of Kristjan Sokoli, except with much better movement skills on the field and an undeniable nasty streak which contrasts with Sokoli's somewhat mellow nature.

The noteworthy omissions from the draft were fast linebacker and defensive backs. The only fast linebacker I like in this draft is Travis Feeney, who barely appears on the consensus big board and has a very real chance to go undrafted. An undrafted Feeney would likely end up in Seattle. Even without Feeney, Seattle's current LB situation is decent enough that Seattle could wait a year to address the position.

Among this DB group, it's a pretty weak class especially if you exclude corners with arm length under 32". The difference in talent between a 6th round corner and a UDFA corner seems negligible this year. Seattle has done a good job of keeping their CB group intact this offseason and just today signed Brandon Browner. So waiting until UDFA seems to make a lot of sense given these circumstances.
 

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Kearly have you looked at dalyn Williams an from dartmouth?

I like him as an udfa and the consesus i have read is he is at about NC state Russell Wilson level.

Already throws a great deep ball just like re.
 

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Swap McGovern and Clark.

That first round pick is going to be interesting. I see the Hawks likely sliding down. There are several defensive players who could interest the Hawks there.

Adams would be an ok UDFA. His release isn't like RWs and he has baby hands. Don't think he'll garner interest from JS.

It would be great to get Ervin in the 6th but not likely.

I'd be a little surprised if the Hawks select a receiver that high. The Hawks are cursed in 4th round WR reaches.

Zimmer is intriguing. The OL as a whole is a fascinating story to watch this year.
 
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Seafan":7md6t33p said:
Adams would be an ok UDFA. His release isn't like RWs and he has baby hands. Don't think he'll garner interest from JS.

I'd be a little surprised if the Hawks select a receiver that high. The Hawks are cursed in 4th round WR reaches.

This is just a mock about how I would draft and has no bearing on JS's drafting tendencies. The next mock I'll do will be the opposite.

Seafan":7md6t33p said:
Swap McGovern and Clark.

It would be great to get Ervin in the 6th but not likely.

I based draft stock on the consensus big board linked in the write-up. Ervin and McGovern are ranked 200th and 204th respectively on that list. All picks were close to their standing on the consensus big board.
 

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1. C Ryan Kelly, Alabama
2. OLB Kyler Fackrell, Utah St
3a. S Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah
3b. G Sebastian Tretola, Arkansas
4. DT Javon Hargrave, SC St
5. G Connor McGovern, Missouri
6. WR Devon Cajuste, Stanford
7a. RB Keith Marshall, Georgia
7b. ? Justin Zimmer, Ferris St

Kelly takes over at center and stays there for a long time.
Fackrell fills Irvin's role.
Killebrew is tough and I like the idea of using Kam in different spots in different situations, Killebrew slides into SS.
Tretola, despite short arms, bumps Britt to the bench at some point.
Hargrave is underrated and played in the backfield in college, hopefully some of that translates to the NFL.
McGovern could start at LG and eventually become our RT, provides depth at almost every position at the least.
Cajuste is the best blocking WR in the draft, has good size and underrated speed.
Marshall has excellent hands as 3rd down receiver, blazing fast and takes some load off Rawls shoulders.
Zimmer, don't care if they convert to OL or not, this guy is strong like bull, quick and nasty.

Some of these guys are realistic and fill a need. The rest are personal favorites but not unrealistic either, I hope.
 

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Heres my make a wish draft

1st=Ryan Kelly- C
2nd=Jonathan Bullard-DE/DT (trade our native 3rd and 2nd to move up to 42~)
3rd=Joe Dahl-OG
4th=Davon Cajuste-WR
5th=Tyler Ervin-RB
6th=Joe Thuney-OG
7a=Aaron Wallace-OLB, needs to be more consistent but could be a Bruce Irvin replacement.
7b=Taveze Calhoun- CB
 
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Tony Pauline recently reported that Joe Dahl is working his way into round day two now. Could be something to watch.
 

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I think you're on to something with Zimmer kearly. He's the #1 rated SPARQ guy at DT to boot.

Would be somewhat surprised if he's NOT a Seahawk come draft weekend. This seems like too good a pairing to not happen.
 

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R1. Emmanuel Ogbah or Vernon Butler
R2: Kenneth Dixon
R3: Joe Dahl
R3: Connor McGovern
R4: Joe Haeg

Offense heavy but pick up a difference maker in R1, on defense.

Dixon, IMO is an absolute stud. True 2 headed monster with Rawls.
Dahl, McGovern, Haeg give you 3 athletic OL with fairly high floors.

For me, gotta go Defense in R1. I just think the guys at OL we will be looking at are massively overrated, despite having great athletic profiles.
 

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Mtjhoyas":1b46xxc8 said:
R1. Emmanuel Ogbah or Vernon Butler
R2: Kenneth Dixon
R3: Joe Dahl
R3: Connor McGovern
R4: Joe Haeg

Offense heavy but pick up a difference maker in R1, on defense.

Dixon, IMO is an absolute stud. True 2 headed monster with Rawls.
Dahl, McGovern, Haeg give you 3 athletic OL with fairly high floors.

For me, gotta go Defense in R1. I just think the guys at OL we will be looking at are massively overrated, despite having great athletic profiles.
I like this idea, but it doesn't fall under the "never going to happen dream draft" category in my opinion. This is a viable, realistic scenario.
 

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Love the draft.

I do think we'll dip into the DB pool. In particular the safety pool. In terms of athletic scores, it's one of the best in the last six years. As many 80th+ percentile performers in this class as the last three combined. Most with day 3 projections.

Not a lot of length prospects though. So if we covet that, it'll probably be R4/5 to ensure we get our guy.

I think we're at most picking 3 OL candidates. Including converts. FIgure we keep 9 OL:

Solid keeps (5):

Gilliam
Webb
Glowinski
Sokoli
Britt

Probable (1)

Lewis (tendered)

Possible (2)

Nowak
Poole

Not likely (1)

Sowell

With 5 guys solid, and 3 more possibles -- taking 3 guys will get you to nine, with having to cut Sowell and two of the probable/possibles. Just from a numbers standpoint, I don't see us keeping 2 projects active on the roster. And we'd have to expect that Zimmer would be poached much in the same way that Sokoli would have likely been last season.

I also don't think Seattle wants to be in a position where 4 years down the line, they have nearly half their OL group walking out the door in UFA. As good/deep as the group is, Seattle has been very consistent in bringing in a broad range of newcoming talent. They've drafted DB/DL/OL in every draft and last year was the first without a LB. They spread the picks around, and I see it as a purposeful move. Keeps the treadmill going across the board and prevents us from having our hand forced when it comes to extension/resign time.

While I think we'll have more than 3 opportunities to get good OL players throughout this draft -- I just think the numbers prohibit going that deep with them.
 

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cheese22":4nmyl8tx said:
1. C Ryan Kelly, Alabama
2. OLB Kyler Fackrell, Utah St
3a. S Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah
3b. G Sebastian Tretola, Arkansas
4. DT Javon Hargrave, SC St
5. G Connor McGovern, Missouri
6. WR Devon Cajuste, Stanford
7a. RB Keith Marshall, Georgia
7b. ? Justin Zimmer, Ferris St

I could get behind a lot of this. Don't know enough about Kelly but I really like Nick Martin a lot. I'm jazzed about both of your 3rd round picks and think Cajuste is a perfect candidate to take a late round flyer on.
 

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Dream Draft:

R1: DT Robert Nkedmiche: Yes, he's an underachiever, but I can't get the Alabama game out of my head. If you can turn that guy on; you have one of the most dominant DTs in the NFL. It's a gamble, but I trust in Pete.

R2: S Karl Joseph: ET insurance but can also play Nickel. I think you can keep ET, Kam, and Joseph on the field for a high % of snaps and can create nightmares for opposing offenses.

R3: LB Jaylon Smith: Worthy gamble. Great kid. Game changer if he recovers.

R3: OT Le'Raven Clark: High upside tackle. Pretty rare size with good athleticism.

Defense heavy, but I think you have 3 potential impact defenders and 2 possible team captain types (Joseph and Smith). Don't underestimate the value of developing the next generation of leadership. Football shelf life is short. it'd be great to get guys like Smith and Joseph around the LOB, Bennett, Avril, Wagz.
 

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Mtjhoyas":3qcb99nz said:
Dream Draft:

R1: DT Robert Nkedmiche: Yes, he's an underachiever, but I can't get the Alabama game out of my head. If you can turn that guy on; you have one of the most dominant DTs in the NFL. It's a gamble, but I trust in Pete.

R2: S Karl Joseph: ET insurance but can also play Nickel. I think you can keep ET, Kam, and Joseph on the field for a high % of snaps and can create nightmares for opposing offenses.

R3: LB Jaylon Smith: Worthy gamble. Great kid. Game changer if he recovers.

R3: OT Le'Raven Clark: High upside tackle. Pretty rare size with good athleticism.

Defense heavy, but I think you have 3 potential impact defenders and 2 possible team captain types (Joseph and Smith). Don't underestimate the value of developing the next generation of leadership. Football shelf life is short. it'd be great to get guys like Smith and Joseph around the LOB, Bennett, Avril, Wagz.
Love it. I have a huge draft crush on Karl Joseph. I fear Arizona takes him and pairs him with honey badger. If Jaylon recovers (big if at this time) he is a top 5 LB in the league, he is that special. I keep hearing he has nerve damage and can't lift his foot, but I just saw him running with a resistance band (and looked good) in a video he posted on Instagram so I am a little confused with people saying it is as bad as it is.Perfect spot for Le'Raven, not a fan of him in 1st or 2nd but 3rd is a great spot to bet on his upside. And my feelings on Nkemdiche as a player are documented on here so I won't beat a dead horse, share similar thought as you on him.
 

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I like Karl Joseph a lot, he throws his body around a lot like ET. By far, his biggest asset however may be his Grit, with a capital G. He obviously loves the game and likes to hit hard. His injury might drop him to #56. I also like other Safety types, SS-Killebrew (@ deathbacker) & FS-Simmons. I hope the Seahawks end up with two of the three.

With the seemingly ever increasing use of the passing game by most NFL teams, DB's are IMO more important than ever. I think we have a lot of depth at CB currently, but both FS/SS could vey well be considered somewhat of an area of need. For the purpose of establishing backups and better competition for the Safety group. If ET were to go down (again!), who comes in? Terrell? ---->Heaven help us, ---->get well (again) quickly ET.
 
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