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Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:47 pm
  • This is draft is loaded with good RB's, there are some very good players that fit what the Seahawks want at RB all throughout the draft. I was putting together a bunch of highlights film to post on here of players that are all fairly well know to draftniks, when I stumbled across this RB...Towson RB Darius Victor. At 5-7 Victor is short, which is not really a big deal for the RB position. He packs a 225 lbs on his 5-7 frame, he has natural leverage and runs with good pad level to always be the "Low Man" wins upon contact. He has the low center of gravity which helps him stay on his feet and oh yeah his 225 lbs of muscle on his small frame has defenders bouncing off him.


    Victor plays up to his size, he has a "I'm going to impose my will on you" type of mindset. He looks like he has very good quickness, quick feet to get through the trash, and good vision. He has a good work ethic and is a team guy. He is coming off toe surgery and is considered a late round or free agent rookie. But, he defiantly looks like he fits the Seahawks type of RB and could be our next under-the-radar stud. His best comparison is to former Jaguar's RB Maurice Jones-Drew.






    Here is an article on him about what he does off the field and how off the field adversity has pushed him...
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    Here is an article on him talking about his leadership...
    https://www.pressboxonline.com/2016/09/15/darius-victor-becoming-off-field-leader-for-towson
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Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:19 am
  • 5'7" 225? Good lord
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:02 am
  • Barry Sanders. Height: 5-8 Weight: 200

    Shorter and heavier.
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Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:25 am
  • Height isn't a big issue as a runner but it can be a real limitation in pass blocking.

    Main concern here is lack of speed - even at that level of competition it's clear from the tape that he lacks explosion and breakaway speed - that's why the Barry Sanders comparison does not at all fit.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:54 pm
  • I see a little burst, explosion there and some nice cuts. He doesn't have a lot of top end, but he gets there fast. And he bounces off of people with that thick, lower body. I think that extra weight might play well on him.
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Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:52 pm
  • A-Dog wrote:Height isn't a big issue as a runner but it can be a real limitation in pass blocking.

    Main concern here is lack of speed - even at that level of competition it's clear from the tape that he lacks explosion and breakaway speed - that's why the Barry Sanders comparison does not at all fit.


    Barry was quick and elusive, he wasn't going to run 90 yards but could get you 30 to 40 many times.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:44 pm
  • Mike Tolbert is 5'9" 250lbs and looks like a bowling ball.

    5'7" 225lb would look even more like one, since chances are he closer to 5'6" than 5'8".
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Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:25 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:
    A-Dog wrote:Height isn't a big issue as a runner but it can be a real limitation in pass blocking.

    Main concern here is lack of speed - even at that level of competition it's clear from the tape that he lacks explosion and breakaway speed - that's why the Barry Sanders comparison does not at all fit.


    Barry was quick and elusive, he wasn't going to run 90 yards but could get you 30 to 40 many times.

    Barry had plenty of long runs where nobody could catch him. He ran a 4.37 40-yard dash in sweats at his pro day.

    http://www.profootballhof.com/news/hall-recall-barry-sanders/

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    I doubt this guy comes in under 4.6.
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Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:16 pm
  • Jesus ok your right he has a bit of speed, IT WAS MORE ABOUT HIS SIZE AND PHYSICAL BODY BEING SMALLER BUT HEAVIER THEN SANDERS, DID I MENTION ANY DAMN THING ABOUT HIS OVERALL SPEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Besides it was his size and hard to find and his elusiveness and the tree trunk legs and balance cutting on a dime and giving you nine cents change that made him hard to tackle. GOD KNOWS it wasn't the stellar blocking his line gave him over the years.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:41 pm
  • A-Dog wrote:Height isn't a big issue as a runner but it can be a real limitation in pass blocking.

    Main concern here is lack of speed - even at that level of competition it's clear from the tape that he lacks explosion and breakaway speed - that's why the Barry Sanders comparison does not at all fit.


    In theory I can understand that a 5-7 RB could struggle in pass pro, but he shows later in the highlight that he straight kills fools when he blocks. Blocking for RB's and TE's, IMO comes down to "want to". Shawn Alexander was a big RB that just didn't have the heart or desire to block, whereas a smaller RB like Marice Jones-Drew was a killer. Go to the 7:45 mark on the highlight, that is where it highlights some of Victor's blocking. Also, I highly disagree with your opinion about him lacking explosion as a runner. I don't know how you can watch that highlight and have that opinion. But, I do somewhat agree about his long speed. But, IMO long speed is highly overrated for RB's.

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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:49 pm
  • Eh.. not overly impressed with him. Feel like Troymaine Pope is already in that same area.

    I also don't feel RB is a really big need for us. Bad PR aside, I wouldn't mind a Joe Mixon though. But again, the Frank Clark thing and then adding Mixon.. idk if the team wants to go down that road.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:59 pm
  • RB is definitely a need. We have Rawls and Procise.

    INJURIES. Procise has been often injured and that goes back into college.

    Rawls is a bruiser that does NOT appear to have the body to keep doing it.

    The draft is ultra deep with RB and the Hawks would be fools to ignore both of the things I mentioned.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:01 pm
  • Looks like he has same running style as MJD but Drew weighed 207lbs coming out of college with a 4.39 40. Curious to see what Darius Victor's combine stats will be. My guess on his 40 is 4.5 at the lowest.
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Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:18 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:The Hawks may well look at Christian McCaffrey.


    Cannot imagine anything but good things this guy could do for our team. Return man, every down back, 3rd down back, receiver, depth. Only concern I have is it seems like we cant have nice things on offense, at least consistently. Some how NE is going to get this guy I know it.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:14 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:RB is definitely a need. We have Rawls and Procise.

    INJURIES. Procise has been often injured and that goes back into college.

    Rawls is a bruiser that does NOT appear to have the body to keep doing it.

    The draft is ultra deep with RB and the Hawks would be fools to ignore both of the things I mentioned.


    It's a need sure, but not our biggest one.. and sure as hell not in a way you'd address it in the 1st/2nd round unless by some miracle a Fournette/Cook fell to a range where you could trade up for him.

    I disagree that RB is also "ultra deep" this year.. it looked like it was going to be, then a few guys didn't come out. It's still a pretty deep position all things considered, but its not overly special.

    But again, until the offseason actually begins, its really hard to say how our needs will be on draft weekend compared to what they are now. If we add a couple of pieces in FA, that gives us a lot of flexibility to look at a skill position.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:17 pm
  • seahawkfreak wrote:
    Largent80 wrote:The Hawks may well look at Christian McCaffrey.


    Cannot imagine anything but good things this guy could do for our team. Return man, every down back, 3rd down back, receiver, depth. Only concern I have is it seems like we cant have nice things on offense, at least consistently. Some how NE is going to get this guy I know it.


    I can't see NE picking him up with James White and Dion Lewis still in the fold. McCaffrey would be redundant in all honesty.

    The Patriots will probably trade Jimmy G for a 1st and continue to build up that defense. I can see a Jabril Peppers type there.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:49 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:The Hawks may well look at Christian McCaffrey.


    I highly doubt it they would draft McCaffrey. McCaffrey doesn't fit what they want in a every down RB. McCaffrey is built more like a WR, similar build to Reggie Bush. Seahawks want 215 lbs + RB's that are incredibly athletic and or bruising alpha dogs.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:01 am
  • I believe that Joe Mixon would be a perfect match for the Seahawks. He's got the size the Seahawks like, is fast, and can catch the ball out of the backfield. Plus, he's probably going to be there in the late 2nd round or 3rd round. His NFL draft profile has him most like Le'Veon Bell. While he's not a Marshawn Lynch, he could still put a scare into defenses. Just like Bell does. That's the trait the Seahawks need to revitalize their running game. A back that puts the fear into defenses.

    Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma, NFL draft profile - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/joe-mixon?id=2557976

    As for his character issues, yes he needs to clean that up but Frank Clark had issues coming out of college. Frank has been able to stay clean since. Maybe Mixon would do the same. Mixon's talents, like Clark, is off the charts for his respective position.

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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:37 pm
  • cover-2 wrote:
    Largent80 wrote:The Hawks may well look at Christian McCaffrey.


    I highly doubt it they would draft McCaffrey.


    Which as we all know, we don't know squat when it comes to predicting whom the Hawks draft.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:27 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:
    cover-2 wrote:
    Largent80 wrote:The Hawks may well look at Christian McCaffrey.


    I highly doubt it they would draft McCaffrey.


    Which as we all know, we don't know squat when it comes to predicting whom the Hawks draft.


    Predicting "who" exactly the Seahawks will draft is one thing, but throwing complete disregard at the physical profile the Seahawks draft at each position is completely different.

    We do know the physical profile of what they like at specific positions. McCaffrey is a lightweight RB, whom Pete and John don't drafted a RB that weight under 210 lbs, with the exception last year's 7th round pick Zac Brooks. I could see them breaking this rule for a late round guy, but definitely not a 1st round RB or 2nd round RB.

    You can completely disregard Pete and John draft history and their profile for each positon. IMO it is a waste of time focusing or talking about RB under 210 lbs, CB's 5-10 or smaller, CB's with 31 inch arm length or shorter.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:14 am
  • Are you serious?

    If he had a downside it was that he would lose 5 yards too often.

    But in his day he was as fast as anybody.

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    A-Dog wrote:Height isn't a big issue as a runner but it can be a real limitation in pass blocking.

    Main concern here is lack of speed - even at that level of competition it's clear from the tape that he lacks explosion and breakaway speed - that's why the Barry Sanders comparison does not at all fit.


    Barry was quick and elusive, he wasn't going to run 90 yards but could get you 30 to 40 many times.
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Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:27 pm
  • With four young RBs on the roster and many other needs I doubt the Hawks will invest draft capital in another one unless he's a real difference maker like Lynch.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:53 am
  • Seafan wrote:With four young RBs on the roster and many other needs I doubt the Hawks will invest draft capital in another one unless he's a real difference maker like Lynch.


    I wouldn't bet on that. If you equate the 2011 draft pick we traded for Lynch as draft capital investment, there have only been 2 drafts in the PCJS era (2010, 2015) where we haven't picked a RB.

    We do have youth. But we also have an unsettled RB situation. Rawls and Collins are the bell cow prototype. If this class was poor, I'd say I agree. But it's got really good day 2/3 value. I fully expect us to pick a RB early in day 3. Someone to compete and grow behind Collins and possibly supplant him.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:17 pm
  • cover-2 wrote:
    Largent80 wrote:
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    Largent80 wrote:The Hawks may well look at Christian McCaffrey.


    I highly doubt it they would draft McCaffrey.


    Which as we all know, we don't know squat when it comes to predicting whom the Hawks draft.


    Predicting "who" exactly the Seahawks will draft is one thing, but throwing complete disregard at the physical profile the Seahawks draft at each position is completely different.

    We do know the physical profile of what they like at specific positions. McCaffrey is a lightweight RB, whom Pete and John don't drafted a RB that weight under 210 lbs, with the exception last year's 7th round pick Zac Brooks. I could see them breaking this rule for a late round guy, but definitely not a 1st round RB or 2nd round RB.

    You can completely disregard Pete and John draft history and their profile for each positon. IMO it is a waste of time focusing or talking about RB under 210 lbs, CB's 5-10 or smaller, CB's with 31 inch arm length or shorter.


    They picked Marsh. Way out of left field. In fact they pick people EVERY draft that people in this very forum don't pick. People that are draftnics. It's just as easy for me to say they may be looking at McCaffrey as it is saying they will trade up to get OL.

    It probably won't happen but it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

    Like I said earlier, good find on your "bellcow", but I doubt the Seahawks see it the same as you do. Puny RB's in height aren't exactly bell cows in this league. They can "impose their will" in college, but not at the pro level. There have been only a very few special athletes that have done it.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:04 pm
  • I like this guy.

    RB Samaje Perine.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2017-raiders-draft-profile-rb-104128355.html

    I would also take a flyer on this kid, he will probably slide and be a UDFA Leon Allen, Western Kentucky
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Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:39 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:They picked Marsh. Way out of left field. In fact they pick people EVERY draft that people in this very forum don't pick. People that are draftnics. It's just as easy for me to say they may be looking at McCaffrey as it is saying they will trade up to get OL.

    It probably won't happen but it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

    Like I said earlier, good find on your "bellcow", but I doubt the Seahawks see it the same as you do. Puny RB's in height aren't exactly bell cows in this league. They can "impose their will" in college, but not at the pro level. There have been only a very few special athletes that have done it.


    Marsh was not out of left field, he was a prospect I liked for the Seahawks. Maybe the Seahawks draft players out of left field for the media not in Seattle, or Seahawks fans that really don't scout or are not current on Seahawks draft trends.

    Darius Victor is a late round prospect or undrafted rookie free agent priority, I'm not claiming he is going to be drafted by us in the first five rounds of the draft. I'm just bringing up the names of a few prospects that could be late round gems.

    We are going to have to agree to disagree on the meaning of puny. Good luck trying to tackle a good athlete who may only be 5-7, but that is a bowling ball of muscle at 227 lbs.
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Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:53 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:I believe that Joe Mixon would be a perfect match for the Seahawks. He's got the size the Seahawks like, is fast, and can catch the ball out of the backfield. Plus, he's probably going to be there in the late 2nd round or 3rd round. His NFL draft profile has him most like Le'Veon Bell. While he's not a Marshawn Lynch, he could still put a scare into defenses. Just like Bell does. That's the trait the Seahawks need to revitalize their running game. A back that puts the fear into defenses.

    Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma, NFL draft profile - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/joe-mixon?id=2557976

    As for his character issues, yes he needs to clean that up but Frank Clark had issues coming out of college. Frank has been able to stay clean since. Maybe Mixon would do the same. Mixon's talents, like Clark, is off the charts for his respective position.




    From the Seahawks RB profile, IMO Mixon is the 2nd best RB in the draft. I'm holding out hope we pull the trigger on him in the 2nd or 3rd round.
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Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:26 am
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    Largent80 wrote:The Hawks may well look at Christian McCaffrey.


    Cannot imagine anything but good things this guy could do for our team. Return man, every down back, 3rd down back, receiver, depth. Only concern I have is it seems like we cant have nice things on offense, at least consistently. Some how NE is going to get this guy I know it.


    McAffrey is a damn good talent, but he duplicates what we already get with Prosise. We need a hammer. Rawls is that hammer, but he can't stay healthy.

    It would also be nice to find a guy that has size and speed. That kid from Texas weighs 250 something, and Fournette supposedly weighs either 240 or 245. Both have break away speed. I want a guy that can finish. OP might have something with this guy, but he won't finish runs. Which means he'll get us to the red zone, where we'll completely ignore Graham and kick FG's.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:45 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:RB is definitely a need. We have Rawls and Procise.

    INJURIES. Procise has been often injured and that goes back into college.

    Rawls is a bruiser that does NOT appear to have the body to keep doing it.

    The draft is ultra deep with RB and the Hawks would be fools to ignore both of the things I mentioned.


    I couldn't agree more.....EVERYBODY KNOWS that Marshawn Lynch disguised a LOT of O-Line blunders.

    I love Rawls, but, he is NOT going to get the Seahawks Run Game back to respectability all by himself, as injury early on proves that durability is a cloud that may not dissipate any time too soon.
    There are some really good RB's in this years Draft, and unless there's an obvious O-Lineman in the early rounds, that will be an immediate upgrade to what we have now, a Bruiser Back might just be what RW & the O-Line needs right NOW.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:45 pm
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    hawkfan68 wrote:I believe that Joe Mixon would be a perfect match for the Seahawks. He's got the size the Seahawks like, is fast, and can catch the ball out of the backfield. Plus, he's probably going to be there in the late 2nd round or 3rd round. His NFL draft profile has him most like Le'Veon Bell. While he's not a Marshawn Lynch, he could still put a scare into defenses. Just like Bell does. That's the trait the Seahawks need to revitalize their running game. A back that puts the fear into defenses.

    Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma, NFL draft profile - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/joe-mixon?id=2557976

    As for his character issues, yes he needs to clean that up but Frank Clark had issues coming out of college. Frank has been able to stay clean since. Maybe Mixon would do the same. Mixon's talents, like Clark, is off the charts for his respective position.




    From the Seahawks RB profile, IMO Mixon is the 2nd best RB in the draft. I'm holding out hope we pull the trigger on him in the 2nd or 3rd round.


    Amen, Mixon is the dominator we need.
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Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:00 pm
  • We have what?....3 ...3rd round picks. Get a guy with one of those.
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Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:59 am
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    cover-2 wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:I believe that Joe Mixon would be a perfect match for the Seahawks. He's got the size the Seahawks like, is fast, and can catch the ball out of the backfield. Plus, he's probably going to be there in the late 2nd round or 3rd round. His NFL draft profile has him most like Le'Veon Bell. While he's not a Marshawn Lynch, he could still put a scare into defenses. Just like Bell does. That's the trait the Seahawks need to revitalize their running game. A back that puts the fear into defenses.

    Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma, NFL draft profile - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/joe-mixon?id=2557976

    As for his character issues, yes he needs to clean that up but Frank Clark had issues coming out of college. Frank has been able to stay clean since. Maybe Mixon would do the same. Mixon's talents, like Clark, is off the charts for his respective position.




    From the Seahawks RB profile, IMO Mixon is the 2nd best RB in the draft. I'm holding out hope we pull the trigger on him in the 2nd or 3rd round.


    Amen, Mixon is the dominator we need.

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Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:40 am
  • What do people make of this guy? Dude is agile and can catch a ball too.

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Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:06 am
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:56 pm
  • Jimjones0384 wrote:Latavius Murray is going to be cut by the raiders. I would love to see him in a Hawks uniform.


    Latavius is terrible at breaking tackles and making people miss. He'd do terrible here with our oline and would be a waste of cap space.
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Re: Meet the Seahawks bell cow RB...
Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:44 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:I believe that Joe Mixon would be a perfect match for the Seahawks. He's got the size the Seahawks like, is fast, and can catch the ball out of the backfield. Plus, he's probably going to be there in the late 2nd round or 3rd round. His NFL draft profile has him most like Le'Veon Bell. While he's not a Marshawn Lynch, he could still put a scare into defenses. Just like Bell does. That's the trait the Seahawks need to revitalize their running game. A back that puts the fear into defenses.

    Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma, NFL draft profile - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/joe-mixon?id=2557976

    As for his character issues, yes he needs to clean that up but Frank Clark had issues coming out of college. Frank has been able to stay clean since. Maybe Mixon would do the same. Mixon's talents, like Clark, is off the charts for his respective position.


    I think we need to be careful about comparing Clark's and Mixon's situations. Clark got into a fight with his girlfriend who may or may not have attacked him first. Mixon hauled off and clocked a girl in a public place on video for all the world to see.
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