Seahawks.NET AMAZON STOREFRONT

Freaky 6'7" DE Tanoh Kpassagnon of Villannove

Discuss your thoughts about anything draft related. Mocks, College and Pro. Knock yourselves out!!! LANGUAGE RATING: PG-13

  • Hoping we can get him late 3rd round.
    "I don't know much, but I imagine that stomping my way through a field of seven-year-olds is the closest I'll ever feel to being Marshawn Lynch. Despite being limited to ten rushes, Lynch mowed through defenders like Zach Efron running into a bachelorette party in Vegas." -@JacsonBevens
    User avatar
    titan3131
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1521
    Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:19 am


  • I get the impression that this young man will actually be really good. He's not one of the many large, athletic, players that get in to the NFL and just aren't football players. I think this guy is, a football player.
    "God Bless the Seattle Seahawks" Cortez Kennedy

    http://ivotuk.com/
    User avatar
    ivotuk
    * NET Moderator *
     
    Posts: 16339
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:29 pm
    Location: North Pole, Alaska



  • If he's there in the 6th great.

    3rd is way too high for him. This is a day three project all the way. Good athlete though and someone I could see us being interested in if we had a 5th round pick.

    This draft is going to have day one starter quality in R3. If you look at the talents in big board fashion, it's rather stark what kind of names will be there in the 85-100 range. Tanoh isn't of that caliber. But he would be a good 'draft ahead of need' prospect who could replace Marsh if he leaves in UFA next year.
    User avatar
    Attyla the Hawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2068
    Joined: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:38 pm


  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:If he's there in the 6th great.

    3rd is way too high for him. This is a day three project all the way. Good athlete though and someone I could see us being interested in if we had a 5th round pick.

    This draft is going to have day one starter quality in R3. If you look at the talents in big board fashion, it's rather stark what kind of names will be there in the 85-100 range. Tanoh isn't of that caliber. But he would be a good 'draft ahead of need' prospect who could replace Marsh if he leaves in UFA next year.


    Replace marsh? I was thinking he would be a 3T, similar to Calias Campbell. As for his draft position, the athletic upside makes me feel that he will get picked in the 4th its just too unique of a body to get past that point imo.
    Last edited by titan3131 on Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:08 am, edited 1 time in total.
    "I don't know much, but I imagine that stomping my way through a field of seven-year-olds is the closest I'll ever feel to being Marshawn Lynch. Despite being limited to ten rushes, Lynch mowed through defenders like Zach Efron running into a bachelorette party in Vegas." -@JacsonBevens
    User avatar
    titan3131
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1521
    Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:19 am


  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:If he's there in the 6th great.

    3rd is way too high for him. This is a day three project all the way. Good athlete though and someone I could see us being interested in if we had a 5th round pick.

    This draft is going to have day one starter quality in R3. If you look at the talents in big board fashion, it's rather stark what kind of names will be there in the 85-100 range. Tanoh isn't of that caliber. But he would be a good 'draft ahead of need' prospect who could replace Marsh if he leaves in UFA next year.

    Not trying to really knock you here, but weren't Ansah and JPP raw projects too? Both were comfortably worth their high 1st round selections.
    And while I love this draft through the 3rd, I think it's overly optimistic to assume day 1 starter is going to be easy. We can be in such a rush on the young guys and forget how few are truly ready that soon. There's nothing wrong with drafting ahead of need early in the draft.
    Also, I haven't even watched him yet, so he could be wrong guy to make these points about.
    purpleneer
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 228
    Joined: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:19 pm
    Location: The Green Lantern (almost)


  • purpleneer wrote:
    Attyla the Hawk wrote:If he's there in the 6th great.

    3rd is way too high for him. This is a day three project all the way. Good athlete though and someone I could see us being interested in if we had a 5th round pick.

    This draft is going to have day one starter quality in R3. If you look at the talents in big board fashion, it's rather stark what kind of names will be there in the 85-100 range. Tanoh isn't of that caliber. But he would be a good 'draft ahead of need' prospect who could replace Marsh if he leaves in UFA next year.

    Not trying to really knock you here, but weren't Ansah and JPP raw projects too? Both were comfortably worth their high 1st round selections.
    And while I love this draft through the 3rd, I think it's overly optimistic to assume day 1 starter is going to be easy. We can be in such a rush on the young guys and forget how few are truly ready that soon. There's nothing wrong with drafting ahead of need early in the draft.
    Also, I haven't even watched him yet, so he could be wrong guy to make these points about.


    So was Margus Hunt and he didn't turn out.
    Hawks46
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 7458
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:01 pm


  • purpleneer wrote:Not trying to really knock you here, but weren't Ansah and JPP raw projects too? Both were comfortably worth their high 1st round selections.
    And while I love this draft through the 3rd, I think it's overly optimistic to assume day 1 starter is going to be easy. We can be in such a rush on the young guys and forget how few are truly ready that soon. There's nothing wrong with drafting ahead of need early in the draft.
    Also, I haven't even watched him yet, so he could be wrong guy to make these points about.


    Indeed they were. Tanoh's testing is not even in the same stratosphere as those two.

    He's an above average athlete. But not even exceptional. Honestly, I don't see us being that interested. Need isn't going to push DL up the draft. And he's not so awesome an athlete that we would be enticed to take him.

    Compare to Frank Clark (taken end of R2)

    .03 slower in 40
    8.5 inches shorter in vert
    10 inches longer in BJ
    .5 seconds slower in 3 cone
    .6 seconds slower in SS

    Kpassagnon is a sub 70 percentile NFL edge prospect. Clark was a 95th percentile athlete.

    So Tanoh really doesn't have anything close to resembling great testing numbers. He has a good profile if you're picking in the 130-200 range. And to take him, a team would be passing on talents that are far better testers at other positions. If a team wants to take him in the third, I think other teams thank that hapless victim under their breaths, and enjoy the talents they allowed to be available to them.
    User avatar
    Attyla the Hawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2068
    Joined: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:38 pm


  • He doesn't have that "dog" mentality that I want in defensive players. But at his length and athletic ability I would see if he would be willing to switch to OT.
    cover-2
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 867
    Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:47 am


  • cover-2 wrote:He doesn't have that "dog" mentality that I want in defensive players. But at his length and athletic ability I would see if he would be willing to switch to OT.


    cover-2 is Tom Cable !
    Image

    To Be P/C or Not P/C That is the Question..........Seahawks kick Ass !!!!
    Check your PM's, Thank you for everything Radish RIP My Friend. :les:
    Member of the 38 club.
    User avatar
    chris98251
    .NET Hijacker
     
    Posts: 22200
    Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:52 pm
    Location: Renton Wa.


  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:
    purpleneer wrote:Not trying to really knock you here, but weren't Ansah and JPP raw projects too? Both were comfortably worth their high 1st round selections.
    And while I love this draft through the 3rd, I think it's overly optimistic to assume day 1 starter is going to be easy. We can be in such a rush on the young guys and forget how few are truly ready that soon. There's nothing wrong with drafting ahead of need early in the draft.
    Also, I haven't even watched him yet, so he could be wrong guy to make these points about.


    Indeed they were. Tanoh's testing is not even in the same stratosphere as those two.

    He's an above average athlete. But not even exceptional. Honestly, I don't see us being that interested. Need isn't going to push DL up the draft. And he's not so awesome an athlete that we would be enticed to take him.

    Compare to Frank Clark (taken end of R2)

    .03 slower in 40
    8.5 inches shorter in vert
    10 inches longer in BJ
    .5 seconds slower in 3 cone
    .6 seconds slower in SS

    Kpassagnon is a sub 70 percentile NFL edge prospect. Clark was a 95th percentile athlete.

    So Tanoh really doesn't have anything close to resembling great testing numbers. He has a good profile if you're picking in the 130-200 range. And to take him, a team would be passing on talents that are far better testers at other positions. If a team wants to take him in the third, I think other teams thank that hapless victim under their breaths, and enjoy the talents they allowed to be available to them.

    Appreciate the added take on the player. I was focussing a bit much on the (imo excessive) downgrade for rawness and extra importance on a guy's first-year impact. I don't consider the 3rd too early to draft someone who needs a smaller role as a rookie.
    How far into the deeper LB options have you gone? One I liked unexpectedly, specifically for that extra ability in space/coverage is Magloire from Arizona.
    purpleneer
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 228
    Joined: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:19 pm
    Location: The Green Lantern (almost)


  • I don't think the 3rd is too early when you consider 1) we have three 3rd round picks (so he could be our 4th or 5th actual pick), 2) his upside is HUGE 3) we are one of a few teams that has the luxury of not necessarily needing immediate impact players. Of course we need to get better and of course you don't want to just throw away picks, but if this guy takes some coaching (he is an extremely smart dude) he could be a monster in a year or 2.
    Seahawks-Blazers-Mariners-Ducks
    User avatar
    cheese22
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 244
    Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:25 pm
    Location: Oregon


  • Thinking we can roll the dice and overdraft a prospect because we have three 3rd rounds picks is dangerous. We need to restock with quality every year. Some year's are loaded (2012), and some are weaker (2013 & 2014). Outside of OL, this is a very interesting draft from a Seahawks standpoint.
    "You don't always get to play playoff games at home, or conference championships at home, or superbowls at home. You have to have the mindset that you can play to your potential wherever you are." - Pete Carroll
    User avatar
    nwHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 757
    Joined: Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:14 am


  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:
    purpleneer wrote:Not trying to really knock you here, but weren't Ansah and JPP raw projects too? Both were comfortably worth their high 1st round selections.
    And while I love this draft through the 3rd, I think it's overly optimistic to assume day 1 starter is going to be easy. We can be in such a rush on the young guys and forget how few are truly ready that soon. There's nothing wrong with drafting ahead of need early in the draft.
    Also, I haven't even watched him yet, so he could be wrong guy to make these points about.


    Indeed they were. Tanoh's testing is not even in the same stratosphere as those two.

    He's an above average athlete. But not even exceptional. Honestly, I don't see us being that interested. Need isn't going to push DL up the draft. And he's not so awesome an athlete that we would be enticed to take him.

    Compare to Frank Clark (taken end of R2)

    .03 slower in 40
    8.5 inches shorter in vert
    10 inches longer in BJ
    .5 seconds slower in 3 cone
    .6 seconds slower in SS

    Kpassagnon is a sub 70 percentile NFL edge prospect. Clark was a 95th percentile athlete.

    So Tanoh really doesn't have anything close to resembling great testing numbers. He has a good profile if you're picking in the 130-200 range. And to take him, a team would be passing on talents that are far better testers at other positions. If a team wants to take him in the third, I think other teams thank that hapless victim under their breaths, and enjoy the talents they allowed to be available to them.


    It's a good point, except Clark was 18 lbs lighter than Tanoh Kpassagnon. Kpassagnon is more of a traditional strongside DE. I think a better comparison would be Calais Campbell, since they are both 6'7, 290 lbs:

    Kpassagnon's 40 (combine): 4.83
    Calais Campbell's 40 (pro day): 5.00

    Kpassagnon's 10-yard split: 1.75
    Calais Campbell's 10-yard split: 1.72

    Kpassagnon's short shuttle: 4.62
    Calais Campbell's short shuttle: 4.63

    Kpassagnon's 3-Cone: 7.19
    Calais Campbell's 3-Cone: 7.46

    So their size, length, power, and explosiveness are similar, but Campbell is a more fluid athlete for his size. Kpassagnon had 21.5 tackles for loss and 11 sacks last year, but that was at the FCS level. Maybe we will trade down for a late 4th or mid-5th round pick, where he would be a good value. Just looking over some of his tape, he tends to play too high.

    For what it's worth, Kpassagnon had the highest SPARQ score at the combine among the big defensive linemen:
    https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/dl/
    User avatar
    hawknation2017
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 792
    Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:44 am




It is currently Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:45 am

Please REGISTER to become a member

Return to [ THE NCAA FOOTBALL & PRO DRAFT FORUM ]




Information
  • Who is online
  • Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 29 guests