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  • Im talking about Cam Robinson, Garret Boles, Ryan Ramzyk. What are the chances one of them fall to us? Or will they for sure be gone by the time seahawks number is called? I think the draft and trades is the last chance at a good tackle.
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  • I sure hope we don't take Robinson. He is not going to do well in the NFL.
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  • FlyingGreg wrote:I sure hope we don't take Robinson. He is not going to do well in the NFL.

    Why do you say that? I watched film on him and watched him play a little and he looks like a freak athlete reminds me a little of tyron smith. I think with some good coaching and fine tuning to his game he could be a monster tackle.
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  • Better now than it was, thanks to other teams grabbing up every OL in free agency.

    But I doubt any of them fall to us, even so.
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  • Forrest Lamp will be the best OL to come out of this draft.

    I'd take him and push Ifedi out to RT, but I also think Lamp could play RT even with the less than ideal arm length for an NFL RT.
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  • RussB wrote:
    FlyingGreg wrote:I sure hope we don't take Robinson. He is not going to do well in the NFL.

    Why do you say that? I watched film on him and watched him play a little and he looks like a freak athlete reminds me a little of tyron smith.


    Cam Robinson is a very below NFL average OL (no distinction between OG, OC and OT). He isn't even remotely close to a freak athlete. As far as tackles go, he's quite bad.

    Other than 40 time, Robinson's testing was inferior to James Carpenter. Robinson didn't participate in the bench. All other test

    If you wanted to extoll other virtues, that'd be fine. But in terms of physical athlete, he's absolutely and empirically poor.
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  • Largent80 wrote:There is talk of 15 CB/S getting drafted in round 1.



    Add three RB's possibly and that's not including WR's and two or three QB's
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  • My take: there are only three top tier offensive linemen in this draft. Ramczyk, Bolles and Lamp. I do not include Cam Robinson because of the number of penalties he gets and issues he has with athletic defensive ends that line up against him. Looks like Bradley Sowell against speed rushers.

    I think that Ramczyk will be gone. I'd be shocked if he is still there. Two weeks ago I'd have thought we'd have a 50 percent shot at Bolles, but his performance at the combine probably lowers that a fair amount. I think Lamp is the guy most likely to be available. He has really high grades from some, and low grades from some. If he's there I think it's worth using that first round pick on him. I'd say a definite yes on either of the other two.
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  • Hopefully zero.
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  • I think with some of the OL signings in FA hawks have a much bigger chance at guys like bolles ramzyk now. If you look at the order of the draft there are only about 3 teams that need a tackle as bad as the seahawks.

    Denver
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    Maybe houston or jags

    I seriously think bolles or ramzyk will fall to the seahawks. Maybe thats just wishul thinking though well see.
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  • For all you bashing robinson here is some film on him and an analysis of his talents, i think hes a great run blocker and can be solid pass blocker in the nfl with good coaching. I think he did pretty solid against myles garrett who is the best pass rusher in the draft.
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  • Cam, Ryan, Forrest and Garett graded better than Ifedi. I say it's a pretty good chance.
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  • No chance. If you chose to believe the same experts that said Russell Wilson was only a backup that think the top 3 olinemen will drop to us then go nuts.

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  • My sense is we could be surprised at who is available @ 26.

    I suspect Lamp and Ramcyzk will both be gone before Seattle picks but there may just be a reasonable shot at Bolles who is presently ranked 26 OA by Scout.com.

    Bolles has less experience than the others and while physically talented is pretty raw as an OT.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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  • Chance versus actually do if they are there.

    I say not even if one of the three are there will we go O line first round.
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  • You could be dead right, but the tenor of the thread was how good a a chance is ther to draft a top OLineman.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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  • Combine SPARQ as percentile of NFL players:
    Bolles - 73rd percentile
    Moton - 54th percentile
    Dawkins - 43rd percentile
    Holden - 39th percentile
    Robinson - 35th percentile
    Ramcyzyk - N/A (hip surgey)

    One hypothesis is that the run on OT FA we saw was because a lot of teams are not very enthused about this class. I don't know that they're going to get picked early "just because" with all the good defensive talent and skill position talent available. Are teams sold that Cam Robinson is worth 50x the draft capital that Aviante Collins is?
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  • At the combine Pete checks him out like most guys check out a hot girl, so I'd say it's a good chance the Hawks have their eye on him.
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  • CPHawk wrote:At the combine Pete checks him out like most guys check out a hot girl, so I'd say it's a good chance the Hawks have their eye on him.


    Who is "him"?
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  • Dion Dawkins out of temple could be had in the 2nd or 3rd and could compete for a starting gig at more than one spot. He has some athleticism. 35" arms, 26" vert, 2nd best 3 cone at the combine.
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  • TAYLOR MOTON OG  WESTERN MICHIGAN could probably start at RG and he might be available in the 3rd.
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  • Dawkins, Moton and Sharpe are becoming very interesting guys to move inside that can be picked up after the 3rd. I would love to see that.
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  • RussB wrote:For all you bashing robinson here is some film on him and an analysis of his talents, i think hes a great run blocker and can be solid pass blocker in the nfl with good coaching. I think he did pretty solid against myles garrett who is the best pass rusher in the draft.


    Thanks for sharing the video!

    Based on what I see, I am not a fan. Don't think he looks solid. Misses some very easy blocks. Whiffs too often. Doesn't play with strength for such a big guy.
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  • xgeoff wrote:
    RussB wrote:For all you bashing robinson here is some film on him and an analysis of his talents, i think hes a great run blocker and can be solid pass blocker in the nfl with good coaching. I think he did pretty solid against myles garrett who is the best pass rusher in the draft.


    Thanks for sharing the video!

    Based on what I see, I am not a fan. Don't think he looks solid. Misses some very easy blocks. Whiffs too often. Doesn't play with strength for such a big guy.

    I think hed be a good gaurd personally.
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  • Seeing more and more Mocks where the O lineman are dropping way down, I think they will be there but there are better players available and we have signed two that are as good or better then any of these are going to project to be I think.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Seeing more and more Mocks where the O lineman are dropping way down, I think they will be there but there are better players available and we have signed two that are as good or better then any of these are going to project to be I think.


    Wouldn't bet on it.

    Other than the patently obvious (mock drafters don't have direct info from the teams), there is a fundamental difference between people who publish mocks, and teams that do the drafting. Namely, teams are in the business of building teams. Mock drafters don't often account for that. They just rate a player at a position as a better X than that OL is a Y. And in general, Mock drafters aren't very accurate with how teams evaluate their own needs. Which is understandable because they have a cursory outsiders view of what the team needs. They can't usually delve deeper in the depth chart or the offseason moves leading up to the draft that sway how prospects grade for them.

    Some are much better than others though. Both at identifying talent (even early during the college season) and having a much keener read on what teams are looking for. Whether it's reading their press releases, or understanding how the team thinks and reading their offseason moves, or understanding how they behave relative to building their club.

    Every team needs OTs. I don't know of many teams that are set on both ends. Not even Dallas. Many don't even have one good OT. In general, drafts that are shallow in talent at a position, tend to see the best prospects go earlier than one would expect. Scarcity of supply drives up demand.
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  • Totally agree. OT's seem to rise up the board like QB's as the draft nears. I think we take Ramczyk or Bolles if they are there but after that I have no idea how they see guys and how they have their board stacked.
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