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    He’s a solid second round running back taken at #27.

    So what do we make of that?

    It’ll surprise many just because his second name isn’t ‘Chubb’, ‘Jones II’, ‘Johnson’, ‘Guice’ or ‘Michel’. Yet the Seahawks had their pick of the bunch and took their guy. Had they taken Nick Chubb or Ronald Jones II, most would’ve applauded the move (unless your part of the anti-run movement).

    They clearly think Penny is a better option. So give them the benefit of the doubt and let’s see how he gets on.

    Ideally they would’ve been able to move down a few more spots and take Penny. Clearly that deal wasn’t available.

    Earlier today I called for the Seahawks to try to fix the run. For that reason, I think this was a positive move.




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  • ivotuk wrote:Instant reaction: Seahawks take Penny, 49ers spoil trade?

    He’s a solid second round running back taken at #27.

    So what do we make of that?

    It’ll surprise many just because his second name isn’t ‘Chubb’, ‘Jones II’, ‘Johnson’, ‘Guice’ or ‘Michel’. Yet the Seahawks had their pick of the bunch and took their guy. Had they taken Nick Chubb or Ronald Jones II, most would’ve applauded the move (unless your part of the anti-run movement).

    They clearly think Penny is a better option. So give them the benefit of the doubt and let’s see how he gets on.

    Ideally they would’ve been able to move down a few more spots and take Penny. Clearly that deal wasn’t available.

    Earlier today I called for the Seahawks to try to fix the run. For that reason, I think this was a positive move.




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    I would have felt the same way had they taken Chubb.
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  • hawknation2018 wrote:
    ivotuk wrote:Instant reaction: Seahawks take Penny, 49ers spoil trade?

    He’s a solid second round running back taken at #27.

    So what do we make of that?

    It’ll surprise many just because his second name isn’t ‘Chubb’, ‘Jones II’, ‘Johnson’, ‘Guice’ or ‘Michel’. Yet the Seahawks had their pick of the bunch and took their guy. Had they taken Nick Chubb or Ronald Jones II, most would’ve applauded the move (unless your part of the anti-run movement).

    They clearly think Penny is a better option. So give them the benefit of the doubt and let’s see how he gets on.

    Ideally they would’ve been able to move down a few more spots and take Penny. Clearly that deal wasn’t available.

    Earlier today I called for the Seahawks to try to fix the run. For that reason, I think this was a positive move.




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    I would have felt the same way had they taken Chubb.


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  • Upright style making him prone to injuries, choppy little steps, not explosive moving laterally, weak pass protection, and skinny legs. Not one of my Top 4 backs to be sure. If they had taken him in the 3rd, it would have been worth the risk. In such a deep draft for RBs, there was zero reason to blow a first on Penny.
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  • You have made a great, great pick. Don't pay attention to the fools to think they know something about Rashaad Penny. I live here in San Diego. I have season tickets to the San Diego State Aztecs. I've seen every game he played both home and away in person and on TV. Rashaad Penny is the REAL DEAL!

    5'11" 220 lbs. 4.46 forty yard dash. 2,248 yards rushing, 23 TD's. 7 kick return TD's (tied for an FBS record). He also had punt return TD's in addition to that. Which is all the more impressive when you consider they were terrified to even kick to him. They did not kick to him. If they kicked to him he would have 15 return TD's. He is awesome on special teams and awesome as a RB too.

    He catches so good that they would line him up wide and send him deep sometimes. Plus he makes plays that way. They thought at one time of putting him at WR because he catches so well.

    Stop paying attention to the FOOLS who think they know something about Penny. He is pretty much on par with Barkley for explosive plays. He may have more yards than Barkley. I could see him be offensive rookie of the year. He has the ability. He's hugely explosive with great vision and moves. The so called "experts" and "analysts" just watch nationally televised games. Therefore they see USC, LSU, Georgia and others and assume (wrongly) that those guys are great or better than Penny (they are not). Penny is just from a less known program, does not get the exposure, does not get the nationally televised games. Both posters on here and analysts suffer from this problem. They have not seen him play and they think they so called experts are right. They are wrong!

    I will tell you this. Your GM said they would pick him at #18. He is worth every bit of that. He's a STEAL at #27. In fact if he stays healthy and you build your O Line a bit around him people will look back at this draft and wonder why he was picked #27. Because truth be told he is FAR BETTER THAN THAT. You just got a top 10 - 15 player in this draft. He will go to Pro Bowls if he can stay healthy. I wish we got him. But you did. Good for you.

    The guys who are complaining about this are soon to be proven badly wrong. Wait and see!

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  • SanDiego49er wrote:You have made a great, great pick. Don't pay attention to the fools to think they know something about Rashaad Penny. I live here in San Diego. I have season tickets to the San Diego State Aztecs. I've seen every game he played both home and away in person and on TV. Rashaad Penny is the REAL DEAL!

    5'11" 220 lbs. 4.46 forty yard dash. 2,248 yards rushing, 23 TD's. 7 kick return TD's (tied for an FBS record). He also had punt return TD's in addition to that. Which is all the more impressive when you consider they were terrified to even kick to him. They did not kick to him. If they kicked to him he would have 15 return TD's. He is awesome on special teams and awesome as a RB too.

    He catches so good that they would line him up wide and send him deep sometimes. Plus he makes plays that way. They thought at one time of putting him at WR because he catches so well.

    Stop paying attention to the FOOLS who think they know something about Penny. He is pretty much on par with Barkley for explosive plays. He may have more yards than Barkley. I could see him be offensive rookie of the year. He has the ability. He's hugely explosive with great vision and moves. The so called "experts" and "analysts" just watch nationally televised games. Therefore they see USC, LSU, Georgia and others and assume (wrongly) that those guys are great or better than Penny (they are not). Penny is just from a less known program, does not get the exposure, does not get the nationally televised games. Both posters on here and analysts suffer from this problem. They have not seen him play and they think they so called experts are right. They are wrong!

    I will tell you this. Your GM said they would pick him at #18. He is worth every bit of that. He's a STEAL at #27. In fact if he stays healthy and you build your O Line a bit around him people will look back at this draft and wonder why he was picked #27. Because truth be told he is FAR BETTER THAN THAT. You just got a top 10 - 15 player in this draft. He will go to Pro Bowls if he can stay healthy. I wish we got him. But you did. Good for you.

    The guys who are complaining about this are soon to be proven badly wrong. Wait and see!

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  • SanDiego49er wrote:You have made a great, great pick. Don't pay attention to the fools to think they know something about Rashaad Penny. I live here in San Diego. I have season tickets to the San Diego State Aztecs. I've seen every game he played both home and away in person and on TV. Rashaad Penny is the REAL DEAL!

    5'11" 220 lbs. 4.46 forty yard dash. 2,248 yards rushing, 23 TD's. 7 kick return TD's (tied for an FBS record). He also had punt return TD's in addition to that. Which is all the more impressive when you consider they were terrified to even kick to him. They did not kick to him. If they kicked to him he would have 15 return TD's. He is awesome on special teams and awesome as a RB too.

    He catches so good that they would line him up wide and send him deep sometimes. Plus he makes plays that way. They thought at one time of putting him at WR because he catches so well.

    Stop paying attention to the FOOLS who think they know something about Penny. He is pretty much on par with Barkley for explosive plays. He may have more yards than Barkley. I could see him be offensive rookie of the year. He has the ability. He's hugely explosive with great vision and moves. The so called "experts" and "analysts" just watch nationally televised games. Therefore they see USC, LSU, Georgia and others and assume (wrongly) that those guys are great or better than Penny (they are not). Penny is just from a less known program, does not get the exposure, does not get the nationally televised games. Both posters on here and analysts suffer from this problem. They have not seen him play and they think they so called experts are right. They are wrong!

    I will tell you this. Your GM said they would pick him at #18. He is worth every bit of that. He's a STEAL at #27. In fact if he stays healthy and you build your O Line a bit around him people will look back at this draft and wonder why he was picked #27. Because truth be told he is FAR BETTER THAN THAT. You just got a top 10 - 15 player in this draft. He will go to Pro Bowls if he can stay healthy. I wish we got him. But you did. Good for you.

    The guys who are complaining about this are soon to be proven badly wrong. Wait and see!

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    Thanks for your insight and post.

    I didn’t, and still don’t dislike the pick.

    We needed a RB, and I find it laughable that so many are bitching about this pick. I’ll give a little credit in that many are more upset about where the pick was made, than who the pick was but fact remains, not taking him at that moment meant the possibility of missing him.

    Admittedly we’ve had a hard time getting potentially good RBs to stay healthy, and I’m praying that this kid can but I’m with you, if he stays healthy I see a ton of potential and expect he can be an All Pro RB.

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  • SanDiego49er wrote:You have made a great, great pick. Don't pay attention to the fools to think they know something about Rashaad Penny. I live here in San Diego. I have season tickets to the San Diego State Aztecs. I've seen every game he played both home and away in person and on TV. Rashaad Penny is the REAL DEAL!

    5'11" 220 lbs. 4.46 forty yard dash. 2,248 yards rushing, 23 TD's. 7 kick return TD's (tied for an FBS record). He also had punt return TD's in addition to that. Which is all the more impressive when you consider they were terrified to even kick to him. They did not kick to him. If they kicked to him he would have 15 return TD's. He is awesome on special teams and awesome as a RB too.

    He catches so good that they would line him up wide and send him deep sometimes. Plus he makes plays that way. They thought at one time of putting him at WR because he catches so well.

    Stop paying attention to the FOOLS who think they know something about Penny. He is pretty much on par with Barkley for explosive plays. He may have more yards than Barkley. I could see him be offensive rookie of the year. He has the ability. He's hugely explosive with great vision and moves. The so called "experts" and "analysts" just watch nationally televised games. Therefore they see USC, LSU, Georgia and others and assume (wrongly) that those guys are great or better than Penny (they are not). Penny is just from a less known program, does not get the exposure, does not get the nationally televised games. Both posters on here and analysts suffer from this problem. They have not seen him play and they think they so called experts are right. They are wrong!

    I will tell you this. Your GM said they would pick him at #18. He is worth every bit of that. He's a STEAL at #27. In fact if he stays healthy and you build your O Line a bit around him people will look back at this draft and wonder why he was picked #27. Because truth be told he is FAR BETTER THAN THAT. You just got a top 10 - 15 player in this draft. He will go to Pro Bowls if he can stay healthy. I wish we got him. But you did. Good for you.

    The guys who are complaining about this are soon to be proven badly wrong. Wait and see!

    :D

    I concur, this guy is a monster. A steal for sure. Everybody was bitchin last year about our run game, now we have a hell of a good back.
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  • hawknation2018 wrote:Upright style making him prone to injuries, choppy little steps, not explosive moving laterally, weak pass protection, and skinny legs. Not one of my Top 4 backs to be sure. If they had taken him in the 3rd, it would have been worth the risk. In such a deep draft for RBs, there was zero reason to blow a first on Penny.


    I'm going to take SanDiego49's take on him over yours he saw him play every game. Then there's the fact he played well against Stanford Arizona State and in the senior bowl. Not to mention he led the Nation in rushing etc etc etc.
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  • And now it’s up on NFL dot com, Hawks are sayin that they would have taken him @18 if they couldn’t make a trade down that worked.

    So they got their target AND a couple of picks from GB.

    Makes me like the pick even more.

    Side note: same article quotes JS as saying that they even had a team inquiring about a trade AFTER they made the pick.

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  • I love this guy. He reminds me of a Shaun Alexander w a 2nd and 3rd gear. He will be a superstar
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  • Penny had 216 yards at Arizona State .
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  • A lot of people were high on this kid prior to the draft but now seem to be souring on him because of where he was drafted. I'll admit, when the pick was first made, I was a bit confused why we took him in the 1st but after reading more about him, I've changed my tone. I really feel that the Seahawks aren't the only team that had him as the #2 RB on their board.

    -Lead the nation in rushing
    -High Character, no off the field issues
    -Dynamic in the return game
    -No significant injury history
    -3 down back
    -Great receiving back

    Guice had off the field issues, Chubb and Michel had serious injury concerns and RoJo had a slight frame and reportedly interviewed poorly. For all we know, if we didn't take him at 27 maybe New England grabs him instead of Michel or if rumors are true, the Browns take him at 33. In a perfect world, we could have traded down into the 2nd round, got a few more picks and still got Penny. But, we either got crap offers to trade down or we knew he wouldn't be there where we trade down.

    If he can work on his pass protection (which he's already acknowledging he needs to do), he could be something special.
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  • When you don't have a 2d Rd pick, taking a 2d Rd talent late in the first makes sense. Besides, if he pans out, we get the 5th year option on him.

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  • I'm in San Diego too. The one thing that surprised me is to find out how big he is. I assumed he was more like Sproles because he has a knack for getting lost in the pile then squirting out the other side.

    Another thing I love about his running style is that he changes direction without slowing down. He's really hard to take down 1:1 in the open field. There's a bunch of tape where he side steps a would be tackler or turns a downfield safety around multiple times all while at top speed.
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  • SanDiego49er wrote:You have made a great, great pick. Don't pay attention to the fools to think they know something about Rashaad Penny. I live here in San Diego. I have season tickets to the San Diego State Aztecs. I've seen every game he played both home and away in person and on TV. Rashaad Penny is the REAL DEAL!

    5'11" 220 lbs. 4.46 forty yard dash. 2,248 yards rushing, 23 TD's. 7 kick return TD's (tied for an FBS record). He also had punt return TD's in addition to that. Which is all the more impressive when you consider they were terrified to even kick to him. They did not kick to him. If they kicked to him he would have 15 return TD's. He is awesome on special teams and awesome as a RB too.
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    The guys who are complaining about this are soon to be proven badly wrong. Wait and see!

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    Great post, thank you for that :2thumbs:

    Here's the most important stat for Penny: #1 RB for yards after contact. 3.23. Watching his "highlights," a lot of plays, he was met in the backfield by 2, 3, 4, and sometimes 5 D linemen. Especially against Boise State where Van Der Esch blew up their OLine a few times. Dallas struck gold there.

    But, maybe even more impressive, according to the analytics site Pro Football Focus, Penny was the toughest running back prospect to take down this past year, gaining 1,295 yards yards after contact.

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    Another important stat, fumbles: AVERAGE (100-124)

    105.8 -- Rashaad Penny, San Diego State

    BELOW AVERAGE (76-99)

    98.6 -- Nick Chubb, Georgia

    RED FLAG (75 or worse)

    66.5 -- Kalen Ballage, Arizona State

    54.6 -- Sony Michel, Georgia

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  • How erratic are NFL writers when evaluating players?

    NFL.com Rashaad Penny

    Weaknesses

    •High-cut, upright runner

    •Despite urgency as a runner, won't break many quality tackle attempts

    •One-speed runner without a big burst gear to clear first and second level defenders cleanly

    •Has modest yards after first contact numbers over the last two seasons

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  • Own The West wrote:Another thing I love about his running style is that he changes direction without slowing down. He's really hard to take down 1:1 in the open field. There's a bunch of tape where he side steps a would be tackler or turns a downfield safety around multiple times all while at top speed.


    I saw this on film as well. Now, pick up his brother from Arizona as a FB and we can give our two cents to the NFC West.
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  • hawknation2018 wrote:Upright style making him prone to injuries.


    Honestly, this just sounds like you're making crap up because you don't like the pick. Several of the top RB prospects have injury concerns. He's not one of them.

    Penny has no history of injuries. Never missed a game in his entire college career.
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  • Chapow wrote:
    hawknation2018 wrote:Upright style making him prone to injuries.


    Honestly, this just sounds like you're making crap up because you don't like the pick. Several of the top RB prospects have injury concerns. He's not one of them.

    Penny has no history of injuries. Never missed a game in his entire college career.


    Agreed he doesn't like the pick and that is some tortured logic from Hawknation .
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  • I love the pick as well. The fact that he's superb at kick returns adds so much value to the team. Creating a short field increases scoring opportunities.

    I can't wait to see him on the field. We can only hope that o-line is even slightly better at opening holes.
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  • A closer look at how a RB can be hyped as the best thing since sliced bread, but when you take a closer look at stats you find he may not be the best after all. The stats say Barkley is indeed a very good RB, however, Rashaad Penney beats him (and all of the other RB's) when you look at the performance statistics. I saw Mike Mayock say on TV, when discussing the Penney pick that Mr. Penney was the second best return guy behind Sequon Barkley. I really like Mike Mayock a lot but he, like others, spouts hype about such an all-world RB like Barkley that doesn't hold up to a closer look. I think Mike Mayock just thought Barkley was a superman RB, so he must be a superman return guy as well. However, hype overriding facts is never a good look IMO.

    On to the statistical comparisons:

    ----Rashaad Penney, 2017 rushing;
    13-games, 289/2248/7.78-ypc, 23-TD's, 22.23-carries/game, 172.92-yds./game.
    Situational stats: long-95-yds, 81 for 1-st downs, 58 for 10+yds, 29 for 20+yds.
    5-100-yd. games, 6-200-yd games and 2 games with: 53 & 69.
    --Additionally, Penney is #6 in career-yards-per-rush average in the NCAA since 1956, that’s over 60 years, with a career 7.5-yds per rush average.

    ----Sequon Barkley, 2017 rushing; (56.5% of Penney’s rushing yards)
    13-games, 217/1271/5.86-ypc, 18-TD's, 16.69 carries/game, 97.77-yds./game.
    Situational stats; long-92-yds., 49 for 1-st downs, 29 for 10+, 14 for 20+
    4-100-yd. games, 1-200-yd. games and 8 games with: 88, 47, 56, 75, 44, 63, 35 & 77.

    ----Rashaad Penney, 2017 receiving;
    19/132/6.95, 2-TD's, 1.5-receptions/game, 10.15-yds/game
    ----Sequon Barkley, 2017 receiving;
    54/632/11,70, 3-TD's, 4.2-receptions/game, 48.6-yds. game. (Finally Barkley wins one).
    --They threw the ball to Barkley more, does that make him superman?)

    ----Rashaad Penney, 2017 KO returns:
    17 returns for 582-yds. a 30.65 average & 2-TD's.
    ----Sequan Barkley, 2017 KO returns:
    15 returns for 426-yds. a 28.40 average & 2-TD's.

    ----Rashaad Penney, Punt returns:
    2 returns for 70-yds. & 1-TD
    ----Saquon Barcley, Punt returns:
    None.

    ----Rashaad Penney, Total All Purpose Yards, 2107.
    rushing 2248-yds, receiving 132, KO returns 521, punt returns 70.
    327 total plays, 2971-yds, 9.1-yds/play, 228.5-yds/game
    (50-yds a game and 1 full yard on every play more than Barkley)

    ----Saquon Barcley, Total All Purpose Yards, 2017 (78.3% of Penney’s yards.)
    rushing 1271-yds, receiving 632-yds, KO returns 426, punt returns 0
    286 total plays, 2329-yds, 8.1-yds/play, 179.2-yds/game.

    If you have read this far, you’ve probably seen that Rashaad Penney beats out Saquon Barkley in almost EVERY statistical catergory. The KO return category may turn out to be the real clincher. I give it a 1 in 4 chance that the 1-st time Rashaad Penney touches the ball in his very 1-st game, that he will take it all the way. After all, he had 2 of them last year and is exciting every time he touches the ball. Hang on for one hell of a ride in both the rushing category and the return category, Penney has illustrated that he can pretty much do it all. Oh, and he'll learn to be a great blocker.

    KO returns are important but, unknown to some, the Seahawks just got one of the best ever. Penney is tied for #1 in the NCAA since 1976 (over 40 years) with 7 career KO return TD's. Penney is #4 in the NCAA since 1976 (over 40 years) with a 30.23-yd. average KO return.

    I have a feeling that a lot of people didn’t look at Barkley’s body of work too much, everyone was hyped about his leaping over a few guys and making some flashy plays, some of which could get him killed in the NFL. Barkley is a really great back, but in my opinion Penney is not only a better running back but he fits the Seahawks system extremely well. All signs from the players selected & signed as UDFA's, this will be the year of the running game being #1.

    All of the above statistics are from cfbstats.com which is one of my favorite sites, there is an amazing amount of information there once you learn where to find it.
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  • CamanoIslandJQ wrote:A closer look at how a RB can be hyped as the best thing since sliced bread, but when you take a closer look at stats you find he may not be the best after all. The stats say Barkley is indeed a very good RB, however, Rashaad Penney beats him (and all of the other RB's) when you look at the performance statistics. I saw Mike Mayock say on TV, when discussing the Penney pick that Mr. Penney was the second best return guy behind Sequon Barkley. I really like Mike Mayock a lot but he, like others, spouts hype about such an all-world RB like Barkley that doesn't hold up to a closer look. I think Mike Mayock just thought Barkley was a superman RB, so he must be a superman return guy as well. However, hype overriding facts is never a good look IMO.

    On to the statistical comparisons:

    ----Rashaad Penney, 2017 rushing;
    13-games, 289/2248/7.78-ypc, 23-TD's, 22.23-carries/game, 172.92-yds./game.
    Situational stats: long-95-yds, 81 for 1-st downs, 58 for 10+yds, 29 for 20+yds.
    5-100-yd. games, 6-200-yd games and 2 games with: 53 & 69.
    --Additionally, Penney is #6 in career-yards-per-rush average in the NCAA since 1956, that’s over 60 years, with a career 7.5-yds per rush average.

    ----Sequon Barkley, 2017 rushing; (56.5% of Penney’s rushing yards)
    13-games, 217/1271/5.86-ypc, 18-TD's, 16.69 carries/game, 97.77-yds./game.
    Situational stats; long-92-yds., 49 for 1-st downs, 29 for 10+, 14 for 20+
    4-100-yd. games, 1-200-yd. games and 8 games with: 88, 47, 56, 75, 44, 63, 35 & 77.

    ----Rashaad Penney, 2017 receiving;
    19/132/6.95, 2-TD's, 1.5-receptions/game, 10.15-yds/game
    ----Sequon Barkley, 2017 receiving;
    54/632/11,70, 3-TD's, 4.2-receptions/game, 48.6-yds. game. (Finally Barkley wins one).
    --They threw the ball to Barkley more, does that make him superman?)

    ----Rashaad Penney, 2017 KO returns:
    17 returns for 582-yds. a 30.65 average & 2-TD's.
    ----Sequan Barkley, 2017 KO returns:
    15 returns for 426-yds. a 28.40 average & 2-TD's.

    ----Rashaad Penney, Punt returns:
    2 returns for 70-yds. & 1-TD
    ----Saquon Barcley, Punt returns:
    None.

    ----Rashaad Penney, Total All Purpose Yards, 2107.
    rushing 2248-yds, receiving 132, KO returns 521, punt returns 70.
    327 total plays, 2971-yds, 9.1-yds/play, 228.5-yds/game
    (50-yds a game and 1 full yard on every play more than Barkley)

    ----Saquon Barcley, Total All Purpose Yards, 2017 (78.3% of Penney’s yards.)
    rushing 1271-yds, receiving 632-yds, KO returns 426, punt returns 0
    286 total plays, 2329-yds, 8.1-yds/play, 179.2-yds/game.

    If you have read this far, you’ve probably seen that Rashaad Penney beats out Saquon Barkley in almost EVERY statistical catergory. The KO return category may turn out to be the real clincher. I give it a 1 in 4 chance that the 1-st time Rashaad Penney touches the ball in his very 1-st game, that he will take it all the way. After all, he had 2 of them last year and is exciting every time he touches the ball. Hang on for one hell of a ride in both the rushing category and the return category, Penney has illustrated that he can pretty much do it all. Oh, and he'll learn to be a great blocker.

    KO returns are important but, unknown to some, the Seahawks just got one of the best ever. Penney is tied for #1 in the NCAA since 1976 (over 40 years) with 7 career KO return TD's. Penney is #4 in the NCAA since 1976 (over 40 years) with a 30.23-yd. average KO return.

    I have a feeling that a lot of people didn’t look at Barkley’s body of work too much, everyone was hyped about his leaping over a few guys and making some flashy plays, some of which could get him killed in the NFL. Barkley is a really great back, but in my opinion Penney is not only a better running back but he fits the Seahawks system extremely well. All signs from the players selected & signed as UDFA's, this will be the year of the running game being #1.

    All of the above statistics are from cfbstats.com which is one of my favorite sites, there is an amazing amount of information there once you learn where to find it.
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    Anyone got insight on all his so call skinny legs? I did a google search ... didn’t see any image with unproportional legs?


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    SanDiego49er wrote:You have made a great, great pick. Don't pay attention to the fools to think they know something about Rashaad Penny. I live here in San Diego. I have season tickets to the San Diego State Aztecs. I've seen every game he played both home and away in person and on TV. Rashaad Penny is the REAL DEAL!

    5'11" 220 lbs. 4.46 forty yard dash. 2,248 yards rushing, 23 TD's. 7 kick return TD's (tied for an FBS record). He also had punt return TD's in addition to that. Which is all the more impressive when you consider they were terrified to even kick to him. They did not kick to him. If they kicked to him he would have 15 return TD's. He is awesome on special teams and awesome as a RB too.

    He catches so good that they would line him up wide and send him deep sometimes. Plus he makes plays that way. They thought at one time of putting him at WR because he catches so well.

    Stop paying attention to the FOOLS who think they know something about Penny. He is pretty much on par with Barkley for explosive plays. He may have more yards than Barkley. I could see him be offensive rookie of the year. He has the ability. He's hugely explosive with great vision and moves. The so called "experts" and "analysts" just watch nationally televised games. Therefore they see USC, LSU, Georgia and others and assume (wrongly) that those guys are great or better than Penny (they are not). Penny is just from a less known program, does not get the exposure, does not get the nationally televised games. Both posters on here and analysts suffer from this problem. They have not seen him play and they think they so called experts are right. They are wrong!

    I will tell you this. Your GM said they would pick him at #18. He is worth every bit of that. He's a STEAL at #27. In fact if he stays healthy and you build your O Line a bit around him people will look back at this draft and wonder why he was picked #27. Because truth be told he is FAR BETTER THAN THAT. You just got a top 10 - 15 player in this draft. He will go to Pro Bowls if he can stay healthy. I wish we got him. But you did. Good for you.

    The guys who are complaining about this are soon to be proven badly wrong. Wait and see!

    :D

    I concur, this guy is a monster. A steal for sure. Everybody was bitchin last year about our run game, now we have a hell of a good back.


    He's really special man. He will be great and a fan favorite too. He is a good character guy too. So it's easy to cheer for him. Once he plays some games over time people will see it. I have no idea if people will see it in game 1 of the rookie year. Sometimes guys are nervous in their first pro game. But I think over time most of the board here will for sure come on board with Penny. He is simply too good not to like. They will LOVE him. He will be one of the absolute favorite players on your team and one of the best ones too.
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  • When a fan of another NFL team goes on an opposing teams blog to congratulate them on a particular draft pick, that is indicative of your admiration of a great player that you wish had been selected by your team. This is great to hear from a football fan that has seen a lot of Penney's games. It is obvious that you are a real fan of good football as well as a fan of Rashaad Penney. With great respect, Thank you very much SanDiego49er.
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  • CamanoIslandJQ wrote:When a fan of another NFL team goes on an opposing teams blog to congratulate them on a particular draft pick, that is indicative of your admiration of a great player that you wish had been selected by your team. This is great to hear from a football fan that has seen a lot of Penney's games. It is obvious that you are a real fan of good football as well as a fan of Rashaad Penney. With great respect, Thank you very much SanDiego49er.


    Yeah he will be really special I think. He's just a super star. Just an all world player. I will definitely watch him a lot and follow him a lot with you guys. People just didn't see him play. They are not familiar with him because San Diego State doesn't get lots of nationally televised games. Plus it is not as big a name of a program as some of the other places where RB's were coming from. But he's better than all those guys. Only Barkley I would put in his same class athletically. And he's not far off from that. I would not be surprised to see him have as much or more production than Barkley. He certainly did in College.
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  • Well lower tier programs have had great running backs make the HOF, Guys like Jim Brown went to Syracuse, Walter Payton Jackson State are a couple.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Well lower tier programs have had great running backs make the HOF, Guys like Jim Brown went to Syracuse, Walter Payton Jackson State are a couple.


    Marshall Faulk went to San Diego State. Him and Rashaad Penny are the best ever from San Diego State. So even San Diego State has had a guy if you want to go there.
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  • SanDiego49er wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Well lower tier programs have had great running backs make the HOF, Guys like Jim Brown went to Syracuse, Walter Payton Jackson State are a couple.


    Marshall Faulk went to San Diego State. Him and Rashaad Penny are the best ever from San Diego State. So even San Diego State has had a guy if you want to go there.


    Mod edit.

    Syracuse was a major football power when Jim Brown went there. Yes as crazy as it sounds Syracuse was a bigger football school than basketball school at one point.
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  • sdog1981 wrote:
    SanDiego49er wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Well lower tier programs have had great running backs make the HOF, Guys like Jim Brown went to Syracuse, Walter Payton Jackson State are a couple.


    Marshall Faulk went to San Diego State. Him and Rashaad Penny are the best ever from San Diego State. So even San Diego State has had a guy if you want to go there.


    Talk about historical ignorance.

    Syracuse was a major football power when Jim Brown went there. Yes as crazy as it sounds Syracuse was a bigger football school than basketball school at one point.


    We were talking relevence in the era of sports now, Syracuse, Colgate, Boston College, Grambling, Jackson State, the list goes on all contributed to pro football before money and TV became the motovation for college programs instead of education and then football. NFL players until the 70's didn't make the money they do now and often had a job as well as their football income to make ends meet.

    Same could be said for Pro Basketball where Elgin Baylor came from Seattle U and Bill Russell from San Francisco University.

    Oh and if you want to pick a fight and call people ignorant then be warned, I won't play nice.
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