Seahawks.NET AMAZON STOREFRONT

Linebacker Camilo Eifler transferring from UW

Discuss your thoughts about anything draft related. Mocks, College and Pro. Knock yourselves out!!! LANGUAGE RATING: PG-13
  • Was he supposed to be in the 2 deep this year? Or is this a case of a guy getting passed up and looking for more playing time somewhere else?
    Image
    User avatar
    JSeahawks
    NET Ring Of Honor
     
    Posts: 23950
    Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:35 pm
    Location: Milwaukie, Oregon


  • JSeahawks wrote:Was he supposed to be in the 2 deep this year? Or is this a case of a guy getting passed up and looking for more playing time somewhere else?


    He's behind Amandre Williams and Tevis Bartlett, so probably wasn't going to see anything other than special teams play this season.

    Never seemed to be able to match his incredible athleticism with the necessary technique.
    drrew
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1046
    Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:50 am


  • drrew wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:Was he supposed to be in the 2 deep this year? Or is this a case of a guy getting passed up and looking for more playing time somewhere else?


    He's behind Amandre Williams and Tevis Bartlett, so probably wasn't going to see anything other than special teams play this season.

    Never seemed to be able to match his incredible athleticism with the necessary technique.


    That's kind of what I figured. Ducks have a few of those guys. We call them the "All Uniform Team". They look damn good getting off the bus and wearing their uniform, until they actually have to get out there and play.
    Image
    User avatar
    JSeahawks
    NET Ring Of Honor
     
    Posts: 23950
    Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:35 pm
    Location: Milwaukie, Oregon


  • The all Christian Michael team .
    Image

    To Be P/C or Not P/C That is the Question..........Seahawks kick Ass !!!!
    Check your PM's, Thank you for everything Radish RIP My Friend. :les:
    Member of the 38 club.
    User avatar
    chris98251
    .NET Hijacker
     
    Posts: 25415
    Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:52 pm
    Location: Renton Wa.


  • Never heard of him and that figures.
    Will Dissly
    2018 Adopt a rookie
    User avatar
    IndyHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 4054
    Joined: Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:42 pm


  • “First off I would like to take this opportunity to thank Coach Pete, Coack K, and the rest of the coaching staff, My Brothers on the team, and Husky Nation for the support and love I’ve received while being a part of this amazing football program,” Eifler wrote on Twitter. “After talks with my family, I have decided it is best that I leave UW and open my recruitment back up. Please respect me and my families (sic) decision.”


    Eifler, at 6-feet-1 and 225 pounds, tantalized with his raw athleticism and impressive physique. He appeared in all 13 games for UW as a redshirt freshman in 2017, mostly playing on special teams, posting six tackles.

    Eifler played for UW legend Napoleon Kaufman at Bishop O’Dowd High in Oakland, and was recruited to UW as an outside linebacker.

    But he never quite lived up to his recruiting profile, and there was no clear path for him to vault into the two-deep in 2018, either. He was the third-string strongside linebacker for most of the spring, behind sophomores Amandre Williams and Myles Rice.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw- ... ashington/
    Image
    In 180 games, Walter Jones was called for 9 holding penalties in the course of 5,703 pass plays.
    First Round Inductee To Hall Of Fame 2014
    ESPN #1 Rated Seahawks Player of All Time
    User avatar
    KitsapGuy
    * NET Staff *
     
    Posts: 5171
    Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:09 pm
    Location: Kitsap County


  • JSeahawks wrote:
    drrew wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:Was he supposed to be in the 2 deep this year? Or is this a case of a guy getting passed up and looking for more playing time somewhere else?


    He's behind Amandre Williams and Tevis Bartlett, so probably wasn't going to see anything other than special teams play this season.

    Never seemed to be able to match his incredible athleticism with the necessary technique.


    That's kind of what I figured. Ducks have a few of those guys. We call them the "All Uniform Team". They look damn good getting off the bus and wearing their uniform, until they actually have to get out there and play.


    Hey! I was an "all-uniform" player at one time. Don't criticize them, they work their butts off to achieve their dreams and contribute what they can.

    It seems my 16-year-old hasn't fallen far from the tree, at 5'11" 195 lbs he isn't really big enough to play his position (LB) in major-college football nor fast enough to play the position his size indicates (CB, safety, etc.). I encourage him to "play" at a smaller school rather than walk-on like I did at my dream school. Which is probably going to happen as there aren't as many walk-ons as when I played.

    Lots of VERY good football players on the "All Uniform Team."

    Show them some respect.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • DomeHawk wrote:
    Hey! I was an "all-uniform" player at one time. Don't criticize them, they work their butts off to achieve their dreams and contribute what they can.

    It seems my 16-year-old hasn't fallen far from the tree, at 5'11" 195 lbs he isn't really big enough to play his position (LB) in major-college football nor fast enough to play the position his size indicates (CB, safety, etc.). I encourage him to "play" at a smaller school rather than walk-on like I did at my dream school. Which is probably going to happen as there aren't as many walk-ons as when I played.

    Lots of VERY good football players on the "All Uniform Team."

    Show them some respect.



    I don't think that's what JS meant by all-uniform team.

    I think he's talking about the guys who check all the boxes, come in highly recruited with the speed and size and they look physically imposing in the uniform... you know, 6'4 240 can run a 4.4 and benchpress 350lbs, but they are just never able to translate those physical skills into good football play.
    User avatar
    The_Z_Man
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1978
    Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:57 pm
    Location: Tucson, AZ


  • The_Z_Man wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    Hey! I was an "all-uniform" player at one time. Don't criticize them, they work their butts off to achieve their dreams and contribute what they can.

    It seems my 16-year-old hasn't fallen far from the tree, at 5'11" 195 lbs he isn't really big enough to play his position (LB) in major-college football nor fast enough to play the position his size indicates (CB, safety, etc.). I encourage him to "play" at a smaller school rather than walk-on like I did at my dream school. Which is probably going to happen as there aren't as many walk-ons as when I played.

    Lots of VERY good football players on the "All Uniform Team."

    Show them some respect.



    I don't think that's what JS meant by all-uniform team.

    I think he's talking about the guys who check all the boxes, come in highly recruited with the speed and size and they look physically imposing in the uniform... you know, 6'4 240 can run a 4.4 and benchpress 350lbs, but they are just never able to translate those physical skills into good football play.


    Granted, but we don't take pot shots at kids, save that stuff for pros.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • DomeHawk wrote:
    The_Z_Man wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    Hey! I was an "all-uniform" player at one time. Don't criticize them, they work their butts off to achieve their dreams and contribute what they can.

    It seems my 16-year-old hasn't fallen far from the tree, at 5'11" 195 lbs he isn't really big enough to play his position (LB) in major-college football nor fast enough to play the position his size indicates (CB, safety, etc.). I encourage him to "play" at a smaller school rather than walk-on like I did at my dream school. Which is probably going to happen as there aren't as many walk-ons as when I played.

    Lots of VERY good football players on the "All Uniform Team."

    Show them some respect.



    I don't think that's what JS meant by all-uniform team.

    I think he's talking about the guys who check all the boxes, come in highly recruited with the speed and size and they look physically imposing in the uniform... you know, 6'4 240 can run a 4.4 and benchpress 350lbs, but they are just never able to translate those physical skills into good football play.


    Granted, but we don't take pot shots at kids, save that stuff for pros.


    They are 18 and over and considered adults. Free game.
    TransGenderHawkFan
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 357
    Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:05 am


  • TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    The_Z_Man wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    Hey! I was an "all-uniform" player at one time. Don't criticize them, they work their butts off to achieve their dreams and contribute what they can.

    It seems my 16-year-old hasn't fallen far from the tree, at 5'11" 195 lbs he isn't really big enough to play his position (LB) in major-college football nor fast enough to play the position his size indicates (CB, safety, etc.). I encourage him to "play" at a smaller school rather than walk-on like I did at my dream school. Which is probably going to happen as there aren't as many walk-ons as when I played.

    Lots of VERY good football players on the "All Uniform Team."

    Show them some respect.



    I don't think that's what JS meant by all-uniform team.

    I think he's talking about the guys who check all the boxes, come in highly recruited with the speed and size and they look physically imposing in the uniform... you know, 6'4 240 can run a 4.4 and benchpress 350lbs, but they are just never able to translate those physical skills into good football play.


    Granted, but we don't take pot shots at kids, save that stuff for pros.


    They are 18 and over and considered adults. Free game.


    They are college athletes, on every college sports board I have ever been it is considered low class to personally criticize the players and YES, they are still kids.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • DomeHawk wrote:
    They are college athletes, on every college sports board I have ever been it is considered low class to personally criticize the players and YES, they are still kids.


    What boards are you talking about? I've been on Hardcore Husky, Dawgman and Real Dawg and none of them have problems criticizing players when its warranted. Same as every Duck board. And every other major college football program's boards.
    Image
    User avatar
    JSeahawks
    NET Ring Of Honor
     
    Posts: 23950
    Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:35 pm
    Location: Milwaukie, Oregon


  • Those have to be some of the weirdest posts I've ever seen on this board. We can't criticize college players... because they're kids? At what point does a 'kid' become a 'man?' Last I checked 18 is legal adult age.... many 'kids' think they're 'men' when they're still teenagers. Sounds like some arbitrary BS and honestly it doesn't even matter. I can criticize a 14 year old playing on a freshman HS team if what I'm saying has some truth to it.

    I'd hate to be coaching these 'kids' and not be able to criticize them or try to coach them up on what they've done wrong. Gotta be brutal until the 'men' come around.
    User avatar
    JGfromtheNW
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1836
    Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:37 am
    Location: Wenatchee



  • JGfromtheNW wrote:Those have to be some of the weirdest posts I've ever seen on this board. We can't criticize college players... because they're kids? At what point does a 'kid' become a 'man?' Last I checked 18 is legal adult age.... many 'kids' think they're 'men' when they're still teenagers. Sounds like some arbitrary BS and honestly it doesn't even matter. I can criticize a 14 year old playing on a freshman HS team if what I'm saying has some truth to it.

    I'd hate to be coaching these 'kids' and not be able to criticize them or try to coach them up on what they've done wrong. Gotta be brutal until the 'men' come around.


    I'm talking about personal attacks not their play.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • DomeHawk wrote:
    JGfromtheNW wrote:Those have to be some of the weirdest posts I've ever seen on this board. We can't criticize college players... because they're kids? At what point does a 'kid' become a 'man?' Last I checked 18 is legal adult age.... many 'kids' think they're 'men' when they're still teenagers. Sounds like some arbitrary BS and honestly it doesn't even matter. I can criticize a 14 year old playing on a freshman HS team if what I'm saying has some truth to it.

    I'd hate to be coaching these 'kids' and not be able to criticize them or try to coach them up on what they've done wrong. Gotta be brutal until the 'men' come around.


    I'm talking about personal attacks not their play.


    I mean, isn't calling them part of the all-uniform team doing just that? Making a little joke about how they weren't quite good enough to see playing time?

    I get both sides, and even though they are adults, they're very young adults still figuring out life. But they should get used to criticism. They should understand that if people are on the internet saying nasty things about them, that it's because they are just die-hard fans and that's how they express themselves. I'm sure most good coaches teach that to their players, and also to take all forms of criticism and use it as motivation.

    Over at Hardcore Husky, there is very little held back. You should see some of the dedicated threads just about Jake Browning. There was a pretty picture/gif thread called "People who can throw better than Jake Browning", and people were posting pictures of guys who had no arms and stuff lol.

    Last year, the guy who ran the site had to draw the line and start suspending people after somebody posted that he was literally on his way to the airport to kill one of the players (I think it was the kicker) during a game. Obviously that's over the line, even though everyone knew it was an empty threat. But it just goes to show how passionate fans can be. To each their own, I say (although you obviously can't have people posting death threats on your message board).

    BTW, I love all the updates you give about the Huskies. Wish there was more college football talk on this board. You and JSeahawks do a good job of providing recruiting updates and some 'inside' information, and I read them regularly. Thank you, both.
    User avatar
    fenderbender123
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 4541
    Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:47 pm


  • fenderbender123 wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    JGfromtheNW wrote:Those have to be some of the weirdest posts I've ever seen on this board. We can't criticize college players... because they're kids? At what point does a 'kid' become a 'man?' Last I checked 18 is legal adult age.... many 'kids' think they're 'men' when they're still teenagers. Sounds like some arbitrary BS and honestly it doesn't even matter. I can criticize a 14 year old playing on a freshman HS team if what I'm saying has some truth to it.

    I'd hate to be coaching these 'kids' and not be able to criticize them or try to coach them up on what they've done wrong. Gotta be brutal until the 'men' come around.


    I'm talking about personal attacks not their play.


    I mean, isn't calling them part of the all-uniform team doing just that? Making a little joke about how they weren't quite good enough to see playing time?

    I get both sides, and even though they are adults, they're very young adults still figuring out life. But they should get used to criticism. They should understand that if people are on the internet saying nasty things about them, that it's because they are just die-hard fans and that's how they express themselves. I'm sure most good coaches teach that to their players, and also to take all forms of criticism and use it as motivation.

    Over at Hardcore Husky, there is very little held back. You should see some of the dedicated threads just about Jake Browning. There was a pretty picture/gif thread called "People who can throw better than Jake Browning", and people were posting pictures of guys who had no arms and stuff lol.

    Last year, the guy who ran the site had to draw the line and start suspending people after somebody posted that he was literally on his way to the airport to kill one of the players (I think it was the kicker) during a game. Obviously that's over the line, even though everyone knew it was an empty threat. But it just goes to show how passionate fans can be. To each their own, I say (although you obviously can't have people posting death threats on your message board).

    BTW, I love all the updates you give about the Huskies. Wish there was more college football talk on this board. You and JSeahawks do a good job of providing recruiting updates and some 'inside' information, and I read them regularly. Thank you, both.


    You make a reasonable post but your and J's example of Hardcore Husky as an example of a college sport's board is just ridiculous. It is to college football what the "shack" is to .net. And yes, making personal attacks against players is strictly verboten on sites like Dawgman, Realdawg, and eDuck. This might explain why a certain somebody here has been kicked off both. And, as a former player who gave all and watched others give all, it irks the hell out of me when I see wannabe football experts who didn't even play high school football make fun of players just because they weren't great. It is uncalled for in the context of amateur school sports.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • If you’re referring to me, I am not kicked off any of them. I’m no longer a 247 member, so I just don’t have access to them. I’ve never been banned from dawgman, I havnt posted on there in probably a decade. . Real dawg gave me a couple week long timeouts just for stupid stuff like making fun of the color purple or for teasing husky fans,Never for attacking players. Ruth loves me though! As for educk, I wouldn’t read that site if you paid my subscription, it sucks. I used to be on duck territory, but when justin Hopkins left to make his own site, scoopduck, I followed him there. It’s hands down the best recruiting site.

    As for the rest of the argument, if a college player sucks, I have no problem saying he sucks. They’re big boys, I don’t think it’s going to hurt their feelings having some idiot on a message board talking about them.
    Image
    User avatar
    JSeahawks
    NET Ring Of Honor
     
    Posts: 23950
    Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:35 pm
    Location: Milwaukie, Oregon


  • JSeahawks wrote:If you’re referring to me, I am not kicked off any of them. I’m no longer a 247 member, so I just don’t have access to them. I’ve never been banned from dawgman, I havnt posted on there in probably a decade. . Real dawg gave me a couple week long timeouts just for stupid stuff like making fun of the color purple or for teasing husky fans,Never for attacking players. Ruth loves me though! As for educk, I wouldn’t read that site if you paid my subscription, it sucks. I used to be on duck territory, but when justin Hopkins left to make his own site, scoopduck, I followed him there. It’s hands down the best recruiting site.

    As for the rest of the argument, if a college player sucks, I have no problem saying he sucks. They’re big boys, I don’t think it’s going to hurt their feelings having some idiot on a message board talking about them.


    I am sure thru out his career he has been told he sucks in so many words many times to motivate him from mistakes he has made by coaches.
    Image

    To Be P/C or Not P/C That is the Question..........Seahawks kick Ass !!!!
    Check your PM's, Thank you for everything Radish RIP My Friend. :les:
    Member of the 38 club.
    User avatar
    chris98251
    .NET Hijacker
     
    Posts: 25415
    Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:52 pm
    Location: Renton Wa.


  • chris98251 wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:If you’re referring to me, I am not kicked off any of them. I’m no longer a 247 member, so I just don’t have access to them. I’ve never been banned from dawgman, I havnt posted on there in probably a decade. . Real dawg gave me a couple week long timeouts just for stupid stuff like making fun of the color purple or for teasing husky fans,Never for attacking players. Ruth loves me though! As for educk, I wouldn’t read that site if you paid my subscription, it sucks. I used to be on duck territory, but when justin Hopkins left to make his own site, scoopduck, I followed him there. It’s hands down the best recruiting site.

    As for the rest of the argument, if a college player sucks, I have no problem saying he sucks. They’re big boys, I don’t think it’s going to hurt their feelings having some idiot on a message board talking about them.


    I am sure thru out his career he has been told he sucks in so many words many times to motivate him from mistakes he has made by coaches.


    Actually, the vast majority of players on power-5 teams have NOT been told they suck throughout their careers. In fact most of them were the best on their team if not their entire hs conference. Yes, even the backups and 3rd stringers. Truth is you have be a REALLY good football player just to make it onto the squad.

    But I digress, it isn't criticism of their play that I object to, it's when someone makes a smarta$$ comment obviously meant to demean. It's low-class.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • DomeHawk wrote:Actually, the vast majority of players on power-5 teams have NOT been told they suck throughout their careers. In fact most of them were the best on their team if not their entire hs conference. Yes, even the backups and 3rd stringers. Truth is you have be a REALLY good football player just to make it onto the squad..


    To give an example, out of the more than 20,000 HS football players in Washington State about 1 in every 1,000 will make it onto one of the two power-5 schools here.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • DomeHawk wrote:
    fenderbender123 wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    JGfromtheNW wrote:Those have to be some of the weirdest posts I've ever seen on this board. We can't criticize college players... because they're kids? At what point does a 'kid' become a 'man?' Last I checked 18 is legal adult age.... many 'kids' think they're 'men' when they're still teenagers. Sounds like some arbitrary BS and honestly it doesn't even matter. I can criticize a 14 year old playing on a freshman HS team if what I'm saying has some truth to it.

    I'd hate to be coaching these 'kids' and not be able to criticize them or try to coach them up on what they've done wrong. Gotta be brutal until the 'men' come around.


    I'm talking about personal attacks not their play.


    I mean, isn't calling them part of the all-uniform team doing just that? Making a little joke about how they weren't quite good enough to see playing time?

    I get both sides, and even though they are adults, they're very young adults still figuring out life. But they should get used to criticism. They should understand that if people are on the internet saying nasty things about them, that it's because they are just die-hard fans and that's how they express themselves. I'm sure most good coaches teach that to their players, and also to take all forms of criticism and use it as motivation.

    Over at Hardcore Husky, there is very little held back. You should see some of the dedicated threads just about Jake Browning. There was a pretty picture/gif thread called "People who can throw better than Jake Browning", and people were posting pictures of guys who had no arms and stuff lol.

    Last year, the guy who ran the site had to draw the line and start suspending people after somebody posted that he was literally on his way to the airport to kill one of the players (I think it was the kicker) during a game. Obviously that's over the line, even though everyone knew it was an empty threat. But it just goes to show how passionate fans can be. To each their own, I say (although you obviously can't have people posting death threats on your message board).

    BTW, I love all the updates you give about the Huskies. Wish there was more college football talk on this board. You and JSeahawks do a good job of providing recruiting updates and some 'inside' information, and I read them regularly. Thank you, both.


    You make a reasonable post but your and J's example of Hardcore Husky as an example of a college sport's board is just ridiculous. It is to college football what the "shack" is to .net. And yes, making personal attacks against players is strictly verboten on sites like Dawgman, Realdawg, and eDuck. This might explain why a certain somebody here has been kicked off both. And, as a former player who gave all and watched others give all, it irks the hell out of me when I see wannabe football experts who didn't even play high school football make fun of players just because they weren't great. It is uncalled for in the context of amateur school sports.


    Dawgman is a joke of a website. They censor opinions they don't like. The admins constantly supported Tyrone Willingham through almost all 4 years and deleted posts that criticized him, Todd Turner, Mark Emmett, etc. They offer insider recruiting information for an expensive price, only to found out that it's unreliable and nothing that can't get for free elsewhere. It's an embarassment of a website. Just wanted to rant for a bit.

    And while I can see your point, I really don't see the problem with calling out players or making fun of them. They put themselves in the public spotlight...so they gotta take the good with the bad. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Besides, the posts are there to take or leave. Don't like them? Don't read them. It's that simple.

    But as I said earlier, it's best to understand why people on sites like HH are full of people who shit on the players...and it's because they are fans. They love the team. They love the game. They want to win. It hurts them when they lose. Every poster is a writer, and writers use things like hyperbole to make their work more entertaining to read, and to express their passion. It's not like people actually want bad things to happen to certain players. I think it's best to understand that rather than try to make it go away or censor it. The posts are for other fans to read and enjoy, not for the players.
    User avatar
    fenderbender123
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 4541
    Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:47 pm


  • fenderbender123 wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    fenderbender123 wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    I'm talking about personal attacks not their play.


    I mean, isn't calling them part of the all-uniform team doing just that? Making a little joke about how they weren't quite good enough to see playing time?

    I get both sides, and even though they are adults, they're very young adults still figuring out life. But they should get used to criticism. They should understand that if people are on the internet saying nasty things about them, that it's because they are just die-hard fans and that's how they express themselves. I'm sure most good coaches teach that to their players, and also to take all forms of criticism and use it as motivation.

    Over at Hardcore Husky, there is very little held back. You should see some of the dedicated threads just about Jake Browning. There was a pretty picture/gif thread called "People who can throw better than Jake Browning", and people were posting pictures of guys who had no arms and stuff lol.

    Last year, the guy who ran the site had to draw the line and start suspending people after somebody posted that he was literally on his way to the airport to kill one of the players (I think it was the kicker) during a game. Obviously that's over the line, even though everyone knew it was an empty threat. But it just goes to show how passionate fans can be. To each their own, I say (although you obviously can't have people posting death threats on your message board).

    BTW, I love all the updates you give about the Huskies. Wish there was more college football talk on this board. You and JSeahawks do a good job of providing recruiting updates and some 'inside' information, and I read them regularly. Thank you, both.


    You make a reasonable post but your and J's example of Hardcore Husky as an example of a college sport's board is just ridiculous. It is to college football what the "shack" is to .net. And yes, making personal attacks against players is strictly verboten on sites like Dawgman, Realdawg, and eDuck. This might explain why a certain somebody here has been kicked off both. And, as a former player who gave all and watched others give all, it irks the hell out of me when I see wannabe football experts who didn't even play high school football make fun of players just because they weren't great. It is uncalled for in the context of amateur school sports.


    Dawgman is a joke of a website. They censor opinions they don't like. The admins constantly supported Tyrone Willingham through almost all 4 years and deleted posts that criticized him, Todd Turner, Mark Emmett, etc. They offer insider recruiting information for an expensive price, only to found out that it's unreliable and nothing that can't get for free elsewhere. It's an embarassment of a website. Just wanted to rant for a bit.

    And while I can see your point, I really don't see the problem with calling out players or making fun of them. They put themselves in the public spotlight...so they gotta take the good with the bad. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Besides, the posts are there to take or leave. Don't like them? Don't read them. It's that simple.

    But as I said earlier, it's best to understand why people on sites like HH are full of people who shit on the players...and it's because they are fans. They love the team. They love the game. They want to win. It hurts them when they lose. Every poster is a writer, and writers use things like hyperbole to make their work more entertaining to read, and to express their passion. It's not like people actually want bad things to happen to certain players. I think it's best to understand that rather than try to make it go away or censor it. The posts are for other fans to read and enjoy, not for the players.


    I don't particularly like the way they do things either but my analogy between the shack and HH is accurate. There are good people there but also a large group of assclowns who have a beef w/DM because they were banned..

    The desire to win does not justify inappropriate comments. That isn't an argument, it's an excuse.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • DomeHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:If you’re referring to me, I am not kicked off any of them. I’m no longer a 247 member, so I just don’t have access to them. I’ve never been banned from dawgman, I havnt posted on there in probably a decade. . Real dawg gave me a couple week long timeouts just for stupid stuff like making fun of the color purple or for teasing husky fans,Never for attacking players. Ruth loves me though! As for educk, I wouldn’t read that site if you paid my subscription, it sucks. I used to be on duck territory, but when justin Hopkins left to make his own site, scoopduck, I followed him there. It’s hands down the best recruiting site.

    As for the rest of the argument, if a college player sucks, I have no problem saying he sucks. They’re big boys, I don’t think it’s going to hurt their feelings having some idiot on a message board talking about them.


    I am sure thru out his career he has been told he sucks in so many words many times to motivate him from mistakes he has made by coaches.


    Actually, the vast majority of players on power-5 teams have NOT been told they suck throughout their careers. In fact most of them were the best on their team if not their entire hs conference. Yes, even the backups and 3rd stringers. Truth is you have be a REALLY good football player just to make it onto the squad.

    But I digress, it isn't criticism of their play that I object to, it's when someone makes a smarta$$ comment obviously meant to demean. It's low-class.


    Well I come from a time when there was no star on teams, yes we had them but my coaches pushed them to be better not polish their knobs. I know a lot of great athletes now once recognized transfer to select schools etc, different then my day, Coaches slobber all over them to try to make it so they will stay a lot now.

    Yeah there was a starting of those select schools, Bishop Blanchet being one and now you have Archbishop Murphy.
    Image

    To Be P/C or Not P/C That is the Question..........Seahawks kick Ass !!!!
    Check your PM's, Thank you for everything Radish RIP My Friend. :les:
    Member of the 38 club.
    User avatar
    chris98251
    .NET Hijacker
     
    Posts: 25415
    Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:52 pm
    Location: Renton Wa.


  • DomeHawk wrote:
    fenderbender123 wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    fenderbender123 wrote:
    I mean, isn't calling them part of the all-uniform team doing just that? Making a little joke about how they weren't quite good enough to see playing time?

    I get both sides, and even though they are adults, they're very young adults still figuring out life. But they should get used to criticism. They should understand that if people are on the internet saying nasty things about them, that it's because they are just die-hard fans and that's how they express themselves. I'm sure most good coaches teach that to their players, and also to take all forms of criticism and use it as motivation.

    Over at Hardcore Husky, there is very little held back. You should see some of the dedicated threads just about Jake Browning. There was a pretty picture/gif thread called "People who can throw better than Jake Browning", and people were posting pictures of guys who had no arms and stuff lol.

    Last year, the guy who ran the site had to draw the line and start suspending people after somebody posted that he was literally on his way to the airport to kill one of the players (I think it was the kicker) during a game. Obviously that's over the line, even though everyone knew it was an empty threat. But it just goes to show how passionate fans can be. To each their own, I say (although you obviously can't have people posting death threats on your message board).

    BTW, I love all the updates you give about the Huskies. Wish there was more college football talk on this board. You and JSeahawks do a good job of providing recruiting updates and some 'inside' information, and I read them regularly. Thank you, both.


    You make a reasonable post but your and J's example of Hardcore Husky as an example of a college sport's board is just ridiculous. It is to college football what the "shack" is to .net. And yes, making personal attacks against players is strictly verboten on sites like Dawgman, Realdawg, and eDuck. This might explain why a certain somebody here has been kicked off both. And, as a former player who gave all and watched others give all, it irks the hell out of me when I see wannabe football experts who didn't even play high school football make fun of players just because they weren't great. It is uncalled for in the context of amateur school sports.


    Dawgman is a joke of a website. They censor opinions they don't like. The admins constantly supported Tyrone Willingham through almost all 4 years and deleted posts that criticized him, Todd Turner, Mark Emmett, etc. They offer insider recruiting information for an expensive price, only to found out that it's unreliable and nothing that can't get for free elsewhere. It's an embarassment of a website. Just wanted to rant for a bit.

    And while I can see your point, I really don't see the problem with calling out players or making fun of them. They put themselves in the public spotlight...so they gotta take the good with the bad. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Besides, the posts are there to take or leave. Don't like them? Don't read them. It's that simple.

    But as I said earlier, it's best to understand why people on sites like HH are full of people who shit on the players...and it's because they are fans. They love the team. They love the game. They want to win. It hurts them when they lose. Every poster is a writer, and writers use things like hyperbole to make their work more entertaining to read, and to express their passion. It's not like people actually want bad things to happen to certain players. I think it's best to understand that rather than try to make it go away or censor it. The posts are for other fans to read and enjoy, not for the players.


    I don't particularly like the way they do things either but my analogy between the shack and HH is accurate. There are good people there but also a large group of assclowns who have a beef w/DM because they were banned..

    The desire to win does not justify inappropriate comments. That isn't an argument, it's an excuse.


    Begs the definition of inappropriate, though. Comments among fans designed to entertain and make them feel better that don't cause any problems to anyone, anywhere at all seem appropriate to me.
    User avatar
    fenderbender123
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 4541
    Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:47 pm


  • chris98251 wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:If you’re referring to me, I am not kicked off any of them. I’m no longer a 247 member, so I just don’t have access to them. I’ve never been banned from dawgman, I havnt posted on there in probably a decade. . Real dawg gave me a couple week long timeouts just for stupid stuff like making fun of the color purple or for teasing husky fans,Never for attacking players. Ruth loves me though! As for educk, I wouldn’t read that site if you paid my subscription, it sucks. I used to be on duck territory, but when justin Hopkins left to make his own site, scoopduck, I followed him there. It’s hands down the best recruiting site.

    As for the rest of the argument, if a college player sucks, I have no problem saying he sucks. They’re big boys, I don’t think it’s going to hurt their feelings having some idiot on a message board talking about them.


    I am sure thru out his career he has been told he sucks in so many words many times to motivate him from mistakes he has made by coaches.


    Actually, the vast majority of players on power-5 teams have NOT been told they suck throughout their careers. In fact most of them were the best on their team if not their entire hs conference. Yes, even the backups and 3rd stringers. Truth is you have be a REALLY good football player just to make it onto the squad.

    But I digress, it isn't criticism of their play that I object to, it's when someone makes a smarta$$ comment obviously meant to demean. It's low-class.


    Well I come from a time when there was no star on teams, yes we had them but my coaches pushed them to be better not polish their knobs. I know a lot of great athletes now once recognized transfer to select schools etc, different then my day, Coaches slobber all over them to try to make it so they will stay a lot now.

    Yeah there was a starting of those select schools, Bishop Blanchet being one and now you have Archbishop Murphy.


    I'm not talking about coddling Chris, I was responding to your comment about them being told they suck. Good coaches don't do that, in any era.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • DomeHawk wrote:
    I'm not talking about coddling Chris, I was responding to your comment about them being told they suck. Good coaches don't do that, in any era.


    Yea, Nick Saban and Bill Belichek are all rainbows and lolllypops.
    Last edited by JSeahawks on Wed May 23, 2018 8:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
    Image
    User avatar
    JSeahawks
    NET Ring Of Honor
     
    Posts: 23950
    Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:35 pm
    Location: Milwaukie, Oregon


  • DomeHawk wrote:
    JGfromtheNW wrote:Those have to be some of the weirdest posts I've ever seen on this board. We can't criticize college players... because they're kids? At what point does a 'kid' become a 'man?' Last I checked 18 is legal adult age.... many 'kids' think they're 'men' when they're still teenagers. Sounds like some arbitrary BS and honestly it doesn't even matter. I can criticize a 14 year old playing on a freshman HS team if what I'm saying has some truth to it.

    I'd hate to be coaching these 'kids' and not be able to criticize them or try to coach them up on what they've done wrong. Gotta be brutal until the 'men' come around.


    I'm talking about personal attacks not their play.

    If this thread is an indicator, you have a ridiculous standard for what constitutes an over the line personal attack.
    purpleneer
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 323
    Joined: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:19 pm
    Location: The Green Lantern (almost)


  • DomeHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    I am sure thru out his career he has been told he sucks in so many words many times to motivate him from mistakes he has made by coaches.


    Actually, the vast majority of players on power-5 teams have NOT been told they suck throughout their careers. In fact most of them were the best on their team if not their entire hs conference. Yes, even the backups and 3rd stringers. Truth is you have be a REALLY good football player just to make it onto the squad.

    But I digress, it isn't criticism of their play that I object to, it's when someone makes a smarta$$ comment obviously meant to demean. It's low-class.


    Well I come from a time when there was no star on teams, yes we had them but my coaches pushed them to be better not polish their knobs. I know a lot of great athletes now once recognized transfer to select schools etc, different then my day, Coaches slobber all over them to try to make it so they will stay a lot now.

    Yeah there was a starting of those select schools, Bishop Blanchet being one and now you have Archbishop Murphy.


    I'm not talking about coddling Chris, I was responding to your comment about them being told they suck. Good coaches don't do that, in any era.


    So being told you hit like a pussy, or my little girl could catch better then that, maybe I should give your pads to the Cheer squad if you want to play like your holding pom poms at least they want to be out here etc never happnens....... That's without the expletives also.

    Thats not saying you suck ?
    Image

    To Be P/C or Not P/C That is the Question..........Seahawks kick Ass !!!!
    Check your PM's, Thank you for everything Radish RIP My Friend. :les:
    Member of the 38 club.
    User avatar
    chris98251
    .NET Hijacker
     
    Posts: 25415
    Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:52 pm
    Location: Renton Wa.


  • chris98251 wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    Actually, the vast majority of players on power-5 teams have NOT been told they suck throughout their careers. In fact most of them were the best on their team if not their entire hs conference. Yes, even the backups and 3rd stringers. Truth is you have be a REALLY good football player just to make it onto the squad.

    But I digress, it isn't criticism of their play that I object to, it's when someone makes a smarta$$ comment obviously meant to demean. It's low-class.


    Well I come from a time when there was no star on teams, yes we had them but my coaches pushed them to be better not polish their knobs. I know a lot of great athletes now once recognized transfer to select schools etc, different then my day, Coaches slobber all over them to try to make it so they will stay a lot now.

    Yeah there was a starting of those select schools, Bishop Blanchet being one and now you have Archbishop Murphy.


    I'm not talking about coddling Chris, I was responding to your comment about them being told they suck. Good coaches don't do that, in any era.


    So being told you hit like a pussy, or my little girl could catch better then that, maybe I should give your pads to the Cheer squad if you want to play like your holding pom poms at least they want to be out here etc never happnens....... That's without the expletives also.

    Thats not saying you suck ?


    Lol, no one ever said that to me.

    Must have been rough. ;)
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • DomeHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    Well I come from a time when there was no star on teams, yes we had them but my coaches pushed them to be better not polish their knobs. I know a lot of great athletes now once recognized transfer to select schools etc, different then my day, Coaches slobber all over them to try to make it so they will stay a lot now.

    Yeah there was a starting of those select schools, Bishop Blanchet being one and now you have Archbishop Murphy.


    I'm not talking about coddling Chris, I was responding to your comment about them being told they suck. Good coaches don't do that, in any era.


    So being told you hit like a pussy, or my little girl could catch better then that, maybe I should give your pads to the Cheer squad if you want to play like your holding pom poms at least they want to be out here etc never happnens....... That's without the expletives also.

    Thats not saying you suck ?


    Lol, no one ever said that to me.

    Must have been rough. ;)


    Ahh the participation trophy generation, now I understand.
    Image

    To Be P/C or Not P/C That is the Question..........Seahawks kick Ass !!!!
    Check your PM's, Thank you for everything Radish RIP My Friend. :les:
    Member of the 38 club.
    User avatar
    chris98251
    .NET Hijacker
     
    Posts: 25415
    Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:52 pm
    Location: Renton Wa.


  • chris98251 wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    I'm not talking about coddling Chris, I was responding to your comment about them being told they suck. Good coaches don't do that, in any era.


    So being told you hit like a pussy, or my little girl could catch better then that, maybe I should give your pads to the Cheer squad if you want to play like your holding pom poms at least they want to be out here etc never happnens....... That's without the expletives also.

    Thats not saying you suck ?


    Lol, no one ever said that to me.

    Must have been rough. ;)


    Ahh the participation trophy generation, now I understand.


    Got lots of trophys and a couple of rings, all earned but I think you missed the point, no one ever said that to ME.

    How old are you? 70?

    BTW, Screaming demeaning epithets at kids does NOT make them tougher.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • DomeHawk wrote:
    Got lots of trophys and a couple of rings, all earned but I think you missed the point, no one ever said that to ME.

    How old are you? 70?

    BTW, Screaming demeaning epithets at kids does NOT make them tougher.

    Is that what was happening in this thread? I must've missed it. The point stands; I guarantee Saban has done and said much worse to his players than has been said in this thread. It doesn't make sense to wait until an athlete is a professional before he can be criticized, going straight from treating 18-22 year-olds the same as 8-12-year-olds to things like your own sig.
    purpleneer
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 323
    Joined: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:19 pm
    Location: The Green Lantern (almost)


  • When I was playing football back in the day the asshole coaches who yelled and screamed were actually my favorite. I was a pretty laid back, relaxed kid, the yelling and anger helped me get fired up and into game mode.
    Image
    User avatar
    JSeahawks
    NET Ring Of Honor
     
    Posts: 23950
    Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:35 pm
    Location: Milwaukie, Oregon


  • purpleneer wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    Got lots of trophys and a couple of rings, all earned but I think you missed the point, no one ever said that to ME.

    How old are you? 70?

    BTW, Screaming demeaning epithets at kids does NOT make them tougher.

    Is that what was happening in this thread? I must've missed it. The point stands; I guarantee Saban has done and said much worse to his players than has been said in this thread. It doesn't make sense to wait until an athlete is a professional before he can be criticized, going straight from treating 18-22 year-olds the same as 8-12-year-olds to things like your own sig.


    Saban IS a professional program.

    Abuse is abuse, regardless of the setting.

    BTW, my sig is a joke.

    And, I didn't say they couldn't be criticized, the thread was about demeaning remarks
    Last edited by DomeHawk on Fri May 25, 2018 9:57 am, edited 2 times in total.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • Participation trophys came about as a result of starting kids too young into organized sports. There is no "participation trophy" generation. That was a response to children as young as five who are too young to understand competition. I am fundamentally opposed to starting them that young.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • JSeahawks wrote:When I was playing football back in the day the asshole coaches who yelled and screamed were actually my favorite. I was a pretty laid back, relaxed kid, the yelling and anger helped me get fired up and into game mode.


    I said "screaming demeaning epithets" not the ordinary emotion of a practice or a game.

    You can yell and scream without demeaning people.

    Please don't attribute words or thoughts to me that I did not say or suggest.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • DomeHawk wrote:Participation trophys came about as a result of starting kids too young into organized sports. There is no "participation trophy" generation. That was a response to children as young as five who are too young to understand competition. I am fundamentally opposed to starting them that young.

    That was a response to dumbass parents who couldn't bear to see Jr. lose. Who weren't capable of telling them remember this feeling, winning feels much better, work hard to achieve. By the way, all the kids keep score regardless.
    Anajimmc
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 190
    Joined: Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:32 pm


  • Anajimmc wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:Participation trophys came about as a result of starting kids too young into organized sports. There is no "participation trophy" generation. That was a response to children as young as five who are too young to understand competition. I am fundamentally opposed to starting them that young.

    That was a response to dumbass parents who couldn't bear to see Jr. lose. Who weren't capable of telling them remember this feeling, winning feels much better, work hard to achieve. By the way, all the kids keep score regardless.


    Dumbass parents who start their children too early in organized sports thus depriving them of early childhood development gained from unsupervised "play."
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • You suck ass but your still Special then is what your saying then, don't hold people accountable because it may be bullying, don't say mean things because they may have psychological damage because they were not raised in a world where if your not good enough to cut it someone will take you place, now days we just scream discrimination and favoritism and sue your asses get a settlement and go to Baskins and Robbins to celebrate. :)

    Yeah as you can tell I am not a believer and or advocate of that crap.
    Image

    To Be P/C or Not P/C That is the Question..........Seahawks kick Ass !!!!
    Check your PM's, Thank you for everything Radish RIP My Friend. :les:
    Member of the 38 club.
    User avatar
    chris98251
    .NET Hijacker
     
    Posts: 25415
    Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:52 pm
    Location: Renton Wa.


  • DomeHawk wrote:
    purpleneer wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    Got lots of trophys and a couple of rings, all earned but I think you missed the point, no one ever said that to ME.

    How old are you? 70?

    BTW, Screaming demeaning epithets at kids does NOT make them tougher.

    Is that what was happening in this thread? I must've missed it. The point stands; I guarantee Saban has done and said much worse to his players than has been said in this thread. It doesn't make sense to wait until an athlete is a professional before he can be criticized, going straight from treating 18-22 year-olds the same as 8-12-year-olds to things like your own sig.


    Saban IS a professional program.

    Abuse is abuse, regardless of the setting.

    BTW, my sig is a joke.

    And, I didn't say they couldn't be criticized, the thread was about demeaning remarks

    And what exactly was the abuse that got you started here? All-uniform team?
    purpleneer
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 323
    Joined: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:19 pm
    Location: The Green Lantern (almost)


  • purpleneer wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    purpleneer wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:
    Got lots of trophys and a couple of rings, all earned but I think you missed the point, no one ever said that to ME.

    How old are you? 70?

    BTW, Screaming demeaning epithets at kids does NOT make them tougher.

    Is that what was happening in this thread? I must've missed it. The point stands; I guarantee Saban has done and said much worse to his players than has been said in this thread. It doesn't make sense to wait until an athlete is a professional before he can be criticized, going straight from treating 18-22 year-olds the same as 8-12-year-olds to things like your own sig.


    Saban IS a professional program.

    Abuse is abuse, regardless of the setting.

    BTW, my sig is a joke.

    And, I didn't say they couldn't be criticized, the thread was about demeaning remarks

    And what exactly was the abuse that got you started here? All-uniform team?


    No, the thread just evolved.

    I was responding to the never-did-jack-shyt crowd trying to shame those who actually had the stones to play the game..
    Last edited by DomeHawk on Fri May 25, 2018 9:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale


  • chris98251 wrote:You suck ass but your still Special then is what your saying then, don't hold people accountable because it may be bullying, don't say mean things because they may have psychological damage because they were not raised in a world where if your not good enough to cut it someone will take you place, now days we just scream discrimination and favoritism and sue your asses get a settlement and go to Baskins and Robbins to celebrate. :)

    Yeah as you can tell I am not a believer and or advocate of that crap.


    Give it a rest, I didn't say any of that.

    I keep waiting for you to start screaming at me to get off your lawn.
    Bow Down to Washington
    User avatar
    DomeHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 921
    Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:20 am
    Location: Meadowdale




It is currently Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:54 am

Please REGISTER to become a member

Return to [ THE NCAA FOOTBALL & PRO DRAFT FORUM ]




Information
  • Who is online
  • Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 28 guests