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First Round OT ?
Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:25 pm
  • May not be available where we pick, but WOW!

    T. Wirfs put on a show at the combine.
    "Wirfs is in contention as the top offensive lineman in the draft and didn't do anything to hurt that status. He led all offensive linemen with a 4.85 second 40 time and also led the group in the vertical jump and broad jump."
    (Microsoft News flash)

    This guy could fix us up at tackle.
    CBS projects him going to Giants with 4th pick overall.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/new ... -work-out/
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Re: First Round OT ?
Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:40 pm
  • Appyhawk wrote:May not be available where we pick, but WOW!

    T. Wirfs put on a show at the combine.
    "Wirfs is in contention as the top offensive lineman in the draft and didn't do anything to hurt that status. He led all offensive linemen with a 4.85 second 40 time and also led the group in the vertical jump and broad jump."
    (Microsoft News flash)

    This guy could fix us up at tackle.
    CBS projects him going to Giants with 4th pick overall.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/new ... -work-out/


    Yeah he'll be long gone by our pick but Austin Jackson had a great combine and would be someone i would be fine with at 27.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:33 pm
  • Good eye nasty. IIRC Jackson topped the O Line crew at combine in a couple categories. He might even be available in 2nd round if we see a run on WR and D Line prospects...although I'm hoping we're in on the latter in our early efforts.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:12 pm
  • Andrew Thomas, Georgia. We need a future Left Tackle, Duane Brown might not make it through the season, and we're going to need to fill RT for this year anyway.

    https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/andrew-thomas
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Re: First Round OT ?
Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:31 pm
  • Ivo, By my count Thomas scores about 20 pts lower than top tier. I can see strength score is low, and probably the easiest (outside weight gin) to improve dramatically. And if he gets stronger he might also improve his speed and skill marks, improving his overall score. Is that what why you're thinking he's worth serious consideration?
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Re: First Round OT ?
Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:00 am
  • DK can our bench press this guy.


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Re: First Round OT ?
Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:10 pm
  • Appyhawk wrote:Ivo, By my count Thomas scores about 20 pts lower than top tier. I can see strength score is low, and probably the easiest (outside weight gin) to improve dramatically. And if he gets stronger he might also improve his speed and skill marks, improving his overall score. Is that what why you're thinking he's worth serious consideration?


    It was more of a shot in the dark. I've seen a lot of mocks with him in the 1st round. So I figured he'd be good enough late in the first. but I would prefer to trade back, then take him, or a more highly ranked OT.

    Either way, we NEED an LT of the future.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:09 pm
  • "It was more of a shot in the dark."
    :lol: :lol: :lol:
    I always enjoy your posts pard, and you for that matter, but I sure hope our draft room crew isn't operating on the shot in the dark principal as much as we are!
    I'm really hoping for someone like Jackson,although the mock has us snagging Jones from Houston. I'd much prefer Jackson, who the mock had taken with the pick right after ours.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:17 pm
  • Ruiz please. lets forget about center for a decade.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:31 am
  • Looks like my "shot in the Dark" wasn't so far off. :)

    The nonsense written about Andrew Thomas a few weeks ago shouldn’t be forgotten. All those people who were calling him a guard and putting him in the late first are now moving him back into the top-12.

    He has classic tackle size (6-5, 315lbs, 36 inch arms) and was a master at Georgia.


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Re: First Round OT ?
Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:17 am
  • Largent80 wrote:Ruiz please. lets forget about center for a decade.


    I would love this.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:13 pm
  • Let Ifedi walk, sign Fant, look at OT in the 1st and spend our FA money on DL.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:04 pm
  • With the loss of Fant and the advancing age of D. Brown, I think taking a LT prospect at #27 makes the most sense of any positional need. Hopefully J. Jones & B. Shell will cover RT and the influx of Finney, Warmack & Ogbuehi combined with our existing interior linemen will be enough to leave the only glaring OL depth need to be at LT. There seem to be 4-5 LT prospects ranked in the top 20 overall and there is a good chance one will fall to #27, with Solari, Hutch & whatever eyes we have out there we should be able to identify value at that spot.
    Yes, yes as we all are aware we will be trading down to turn our seven picks into 10-12. Personally I do not think this method that PC & JS have relied on to give them more chances at success has worked enough to be considered optimal. I am starting to think they need double digit picks to allow both men enough picks to keep their ego's in check and satisfy personal little pet projects. Sure, the dynamic duo is a well oiled machine completely in sync and much wiser than the majority of front offices... that's the consensus. But I see a dilution that has weakened our overall roster and limited meaningful rookie contribution & early talent advancement.
    That is a bunch of ramble to say I'd love to see them hold on to #27 & our two 2nds (59 & 64?) and take a LT, DE & DT with the top three, preferably LT #1. Then possibly trade down a couple times in the 3rd & 4th to get those extra picks they so covet. Our FO has been so squirrely with first rounders over their tenure that I've pretty much given up on following top 50 talent & mock drafts, as it was a labor of love in the distant past. This I know, RW3 is the biggest reason we win, his new contract reflects that and he has never been given adequate protection.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:47 pm
  • Duane Brown will turn 35 years old on August 30, we were very lucky to acquire him in trade (2nd-5th) in 2017.
    This move was a saving grace considering our years of substandard O-Line performance, we will not find another trade like that in the future. I'm surprised that there aren't more who see our 1st round pick as our best available window to address this, Russell has been beaten & ran for his life enough, how about we try to protect him in his prime?
    I want them to use #27 & one of our 2nds to trade up and take a legitimate LT with potential & high ceiling. I'm sure they will do their very best to trade down & away from the top (5) tier left tackles and I boldly predict they will eventually take one in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round. The amazing Kreskin also see's this diluted pick as likely never becoming a solid blind side protector. If they could just hit on a LT now it would really free our hands and open things up free agency & draft wise for the near future. Poor drafting is why we have lost our hold on the division. First & second year players most important initial role is to fill in for injured starters, with Fant gone lets hope BD76 has a healthy season.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:45 pm
  • Drafting a left tackle is an important move the Hawks SHOULD consider in this draft but not in the first round. The LT position is really really deep in this draft and so is WR. Neither are pressing needs for the Hawks.

    Lining up and playing defense is a more pressing situation and the Hawks can position themselves to take some DL who can have immediate impact and meet a sure need.

    I hope the Hawks emphasize defense in this draft. DL, possibly edge/LB types, safety.

    I expect they will find a 3rd day WR who can compete for a roster spot. There are several LT who they can likely get in the 3rd through 5th round.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:50 pm
  • Seafan wrote:Drafting a left tackle is an important move the Hawks SHOULD consider in this draft but not in the first round. The LT position is really really deep in this draft and so is WR. Neither are pressing needs for the Hawks.

    How many rookies available at #27 will really be able to make an immediate splash this year, especially given the COVID situation and limited amount of practice? In my view the Hawks have been careful this off-season to avoid a reliance on rookies seeing immediate playing time. There is still a veteran pass rusher to be added whether that is Clowney, Griffen or another.

    I would suggest a mindset about the 2020 draft that focuses on bolstering depth, competition and special teams play. If any of them win starting jobs that is great, but the expectation should be that they are brought along and can earn increased playing time as they are ready, especially in 2021.

    In that vein, OT strikes me as one of the best uses of a 1st round pick if we stay there. They could initially compete at RT, end up playing swing tackle, and then be in position to take over at LT next year.

    Seahawker76 wrote:I want them to use #27 & one of our 2nds to trade up and take a legitimate LT with potential & high ceiling.

    The problem is that doesn't move you up very far (#17 or so) and this is an awesome draft to have 2nd round picks in. I don't know that any tackle available at #17 this year will necessarily be that much better than the prospects available at #27 or even #34.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:39 pm
  • Im not really a huge fan of drafting a player so high to be a backup but if not now, when? If Duane Brown misses time this year, which is inevitable, what then? This is also Browns swan song so.....
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Re: First Round OT ?
Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:14 am
  • Subzero717 wrote:Im not really a huge fan of drafting a player so high to be a backup but if not now, when? If Duane Brown misses time this year, which is inevitable, what then? This is also Browns swan song so.....


    What makes it inevitable this year? What do you see in your crystal ball? True he's not young, but that doesn't mean he won't play a whole season.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:45 am
  • Ad Hawk wrote:
    Subzero717 wrote:Im not really a huge fan of drafting a player so high to be a backup but if not now, when? If Duane Brown misses time this year, which is inevitable, what then? This is also Browns swan song so.....


    What makes it inevitable this year? What do you see in your crystal ball? True he's not young, but that doesn't mean he won't play a whole season.


    I see a 35 year old that has struggled thoughout his career to stay healthy enough to play every game.

    If you were the GM would you roll the dice on him staying healthy and not having a competent back up?
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Re: First Round OT ?
Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:49 am
  • I like Thomas a lot but he's a guard or right tackle. The only LT prospect I've found so far that to me projects as a left tackle is Ezra Cleveland from Boise. He stands straight up in the run game, and may not be the best scheme fit, but I don't see anyone else with left tackle level pass protection pass the first two guys.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:59 am
  • I can't imagine that they're comfortable with the cupboard bare at LT behind Brown, other than Cedric Ogbuehi who has been genuinely terrible in the NFL as a starter.

    It wouldn't shock me if they roll the dice and ignore it, though, because there ain't much there at LT without trading up significantly. Probably better to shore up the interior line (with it being a strength of this drafts sweet spot) and hope for the best at the respective tackle positions.

    Fant may not have seemed important, but if Brown goes down and Ogbuehi steps in, I think we're all gonna miss George a little bit.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:41 am
  • One thing that concerns me about our draft intent is that we already have a slug of O Line guys on hand. Pete likes tenure types for O Line. I'm thinking we might get one more in the draft but use the rest of our picks at other spots. And that may be as it SHOULD be. We HAVE to get our defense back to a higher level. We've already made some progress on that for both line and secondary, but we've still got needs. In addition I see RB as an obvious priority with one of our higher picks before the pool is diluted to also rans. You just can't rely on finding a Carson in the castoffs. We got lucky at that once already, so trying to do it again is like trying to draw an ace of spades twice in a shuffle.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:24 am
  • I read something the other day about guys who'll go higher than your seeing in most mocks. They identified a couple of tackles, Ezra Cleveland and Thomas were both called out.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:56 am
  • Tical21 wrote:I like Thomas a lot but he's a guard or right tackle. The only LT prospect I've found so far that to me projects as a left tackle is Ezra Cleveland from Boise. He stands straight up in the run game, and may not be the best scheme fit, but I don't see anyone else with left tackle level pass protection pass the first two guys.


    The way the game is played in today's NFL, teams are moving their premium pass rushers around. The distinction between LT and RT is barely discernible now.

    I think it has a great deal to do with the explosion of 3 WR sets and move TEs. You don't see a great many inline TEs playing on passing downs. So where a strong side end would have to deal with a possible TE chip and RT -- they are just now left with a RT.

    Good teams are doubling up on DEs. Even tripling up. Mainly because in today's NFL, the bottleneck in OL talent is at OT. Most teams don't have one very good OT, much less two.

    I don't think the premium on 'is he a LT' exists anymore except with the Dave Gettlemans of the league. The NFL game has evolved beyond the one stud and one turd OT scheme. DCs are moving their premium rushers around to take advantage of better matchups.

    Philadelphia, KC, SF and NE are prime examples of teams that draft and consider LT/RT to be non existent distinctions, but rather two virtually identical needs.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:49 pm
  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:I like Thomas a lot but he's a guard or right tackle. The only LT prospect I've found so far that to me projects as a left tackle is Ezra Cleveland from Boise. He stands straight up in the run game, and may not be the best scheme fit, but I don't see anyone else with left tackle level pass protection pass the first two guys.


    The way the game is played in today's NFL, teams are moving their premium pass rushers around. The distinction between LT and RT is barely discernible now.

    I think it has a great deal to do with the explosion of 3 WR sets and move TEs. You don't see a great many inline TEs playing on passing downs. So where a strong side end would have to deal with a possible TE chip and RT -- they are just now left with a RT.

    Good teams are doubling up on DEs. Even tripling up. Mainly because in today's NFL, the bottleneck in OL talent is at OT. Most teams don't have one very good OT, much less two.

    I don't think the premium on 'is he a LT' exists anymore except with the Dave Gettlemans of the league. The NFL game has evolved beyond the one stud and one turd OT scheme. DCs are moving their premium rushers around to take advantage of better matchups.

    Philadelphia, KC, SF and NE are prime examples of teams that draft and consider LT/RT to be non existent distinctions, but rather two virtually identical needs.


    This sounds more like a theory conjured up by IPA sipping millennials addicted to fantasy football than the hands, feet & passpro of a blindside protector & whats coming off the edge. Wow, guys like Walter Jones & Joe Thomas are suddenly almost obsolete overnite & whats driving it?, because defenses have put a priority on pass rushers and are moving them around more, sure... sounds legit :roll: . The Seahawks place such a premium on sacks that they drafted LJ Collier, an every down DE #29 in the first knowing he will never be a Derrick Thomas. As for 3 WR sets & evolving TE's, again this sounds more Madden speak than addressing the actual protection a QB needs to deliver the ball down the field. Your post sounds like someone who really wants to draft defense and is straining to make a case against something you see as a backburner LT prospect. But don't worry, I'm pretty sure our FO won't seriously address a LT in this draft, they'll opt to wait until Duane Brown steps aside & scramble for one later. But it will be OK, according to your line of thinking it will be easy as finding a big lumbering RT for a left handed QB.
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Re: First Round OT ?
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:50 pm
  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:I like Thomas a lot but he's a guard or right tackle. The only LT prospect I've found so far that to me projects as a left tackle is Ezra Cleveland from Boise. He stands straight up in the run game, and may not be the best scheme fit, but I don't see anyone else with left tackle level pass protection pass the first two guys.


    The way the game is played in today's NFL, teams are moving their premium pass rushers around. The distinction between LT and RT is barely discernible now.

    I think it has a great deal to do with the explosion of 3 WR sets and move TEs. You don't see a great many inline TEs playing on passing downs. So where a strong side end would have to deal with a possible TE chip and RT -- they are just now left with a RT.

    Good teams are doubling up on DEs. Even tripling up. Mainly because in today's NFL, the bottleneck in OL talent is at OT. Most teams don't have one very good OT, much less two.

    I don't think the premium on 'is he a LT' exists anymore except with the Dave Gettlemans of the league. The NFL game has evolved beyond the one stud and one turd OT scheme. DCs are moving their premium rushers around to take advantage of better matchups.

    Philadelphia, KC, SF and NE are prime examples of teams that draft and consider LT/RT to be non existent distinctions, but rather two virtually identical needs.

    I still think having the blind side protected is far more important than the front side. Fumbles happen from the backside.
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