kearly's dream draft 3.0

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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:14 pm
  • kearly wrote:Strong Freudian powers are swaying over me when it comes to Khaseem Green, Courtney Gardner, and Courtney Greene. I was just about to run out of the house just now and I thought "I bet I wrote Courtney Greene last night" so I hustled over to my computer and sure enough, I did.

    That's what I assumed all along.

    I'm starting to think Travis Kelce is going to see his stock rise and will be drafted higher than where you have him... but, it's a mock. BTW... is it pronounced Kelse, Kelsey, Kelche? Whatever it is... he can play.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:44 pm
  • Ryan Swope is a hell of a good pick, Kearly. I watched a ton of him last year scouting Ryan Tannehill and he was always involved with the offense making big time plays. He was the go to guy the entire year even when Fuller was usually grabbing most of the (undeserved) attention.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:26 am
  • I was going to say the same thing. Swope is one of those players you notice when scouting someone else. Whether it was Tannehill or Manziel, I'm watching for those guys and yet it's Swope who just keeps grabbing your attention making play after play. Knile Davis (Ryan Mallett) and Jared Abbrederis (Russell Wilson) are a couple other examples. Ryan Broyles (Landry Jones) too. Deep throws, slot throws, Swope was great wherever they put him. Don't like pulling the race card (as it begs to be blown out of proportion), but let's be real, if he was African American, 6'1", 206, 4.4 in the forty, and clutch as hell, and productive for an SEC/BIG12 school he'd be in the first or second round discussion without a doubt. It's almost like a rule- if you are white and you play WR/RB, you will not be an early pick. Whiteness aside, the fact that he looks like he's 15 years old in all his pictures probably doesn't help much either.

    Swope is my #1 slot WR. Austin is spectacular, but I think I'd rather have him playing outside in a similar role to Golden Tate.

    Another thing about Swope that makes him perfect- he's not a target whore. He's perfectly comfortable in an offense that spreads the ball and treats everyone like a #2 WR. That's Johnny Football to a tee, and Swope was as good as ever in that kind of offense. You will not find a QB in college football for many years that compares as well to Wilson as Manziel does, and Manziel had awesome chemistry with Swope, even as a freshman. I could see Wilson mind melding with Swope in no time.

    Swope is like a faster, better Charlie Martin. Same size, same clutchness, same goofy teenager face. If Martin ran a 4.4 he'd probably still be on our roster right now. And it means nothing, but Swope is from Texas A&M. Martin was from West Texas A&M.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:15 am
  • kearly--I'll ask again...has Hopkins' stock dropped for you? You've had him as our first round pick in other drafts and I've thought this was a great idea. There are a bunch of recievers in this draft that I would put second and third round grades on, but I thought Hopkins was clearly the best chance to be a star reciever in the NFL a-la AJ Greene, Julio Jones, or Roddy White--the perfect combination of size, strength, speed, quickness, and hands. I'm still hoping we take him in the first round. Did you drop him down or did you just think he'd be gone by pick #25?
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:19 am
  • Would Jordy Nelson or Brian Hartline be a good comparison for Swoope? I'm not bashing the player at all he could be awesome, but I still see the Hawks going for a 6'3 220lb type WR. Getting a big guy with raw skills in the 2nd or later will not innterupt the chemistry that Rice, Tate, and Balwin have and force a major competition as the rookie WR is no lock to get playing time and at 6'3 he will most likely be on the field in the redzone.


    I am assuming Kearly is just not projecting Hopkins to the seahawks as WR in round 1 seems less and less likely unless a freak like Patterson drops to us. I am very curious what PC thinks of Kennan Allen? I don't think i'd spend a #25 on him unless he could break 4.5, but a trade back in the first or up into the early 2nd and now i see a few WR's and TE's that have a ton of value.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:13 pm
  • kearly wrote:I was going to say the same thing. Swope is one of those players you notice when scouting someone else. Whether it was Tannehill or Manziel, I'm watching for those guys and yet it's Swope who just keeps grabbing your attention making play after play. Knile Davis (Ryan Mallett) and Jared Abbrederis (Russell Wilson) are a couple other examples. Deep throws, slot throws, Swope was great wherever they put him. Don't like pulling the race card (as it begs to be blown out of proportion), but let's be real, if he was African American, 6'1", 206, 4.4 in the forty, and clutch as hell, he'd be in the first or second round discussion without a doubt. It's almost like a rule- if you are white and you play WR/RB, you will not be an early pick. Whiteness aside, the fact that he looks like he's 15 years old in all his pictures probably doesn't help much either.

    Swope is my #1 slot WR. Austin is spectacular, but I think I'd rather have him playing outside in a similar role to Golden Tate.

    Another thing about Swope that makes him perfect- he's not a target whore. He's perfectly comfortable in an offense that spreads the ball and treats everyone like a #2 WR. That's Johnny Football to a tee, and Swope was as good as ever in that kind of offense. You will not find a QB in college football for many years that compares as well to Wilson as Manziel does, and Manziel had awesome chemistry with Swope, even as a freshman. I could see Wilson mind melding with Swope in no time.

    Swope is like a faster, better Charlie Martin. Same size, same clutchness, same goofy teenager face. If Martin ran a 4.4 he'd probably still be on our roster right now. And it means nothing, but Swope is from Texas A&M. Martin was from West Texas A&M.


    I could not agree more on him being a perfect fit in this offense and with Wilson. You mentioned him playing with Manziel, but Tannehill was no slouch with his feet either. When Tannehill avoided pressure, it was almost always Swope that he looked for downfield because Swope always knew how to get himself open for his QB. Add this last year's experience with Johnny Football and Ryan Swope has back to back years of experience making plays for his mobile QB. Something that is starting be a requirement in Seattle.

    Imo, the only thing Swope lacks that would put him into the first round is the position he plays and his lack of explosiveness. I imagine he'll run well, but I don't expect he'll test as high in the other events, perhaps slightly above average for receivers. However, he is as reliable and consistent as any first round receiver in this draft which should only help raise his stock. I think he'll come off the board in the 3rd with a chance to fall into the 4th, but I've also heard some place a 2nd round grade on him, as well (though not many).
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:16 pm
  • While I like this draft, especially Matt Scott, Ryan Swope ans Travis Kelce in those slots,
    I have some reservations.

    I am bothered that nowhere in any round do we take an offensive lineman, something
    I think is sure to happen.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:27 pm
  • Wenhawk wrote:Would Jordy Nelson or Brian Hartline be a good comparison for Swoope? I'm not bashing the player at all he could be awesome, but I still see the Hawks going for a 6'3 220lb type WR. Getting a big guy with raw skills in the 2nd or later will not innterupt the chemistry that Rice, Tate, and Balwin have and force a major competition as the rookie WR is no lock to get playing time and at 6'3 he will most likely be on the field in the redzone.


    I am assuming Kearly is just not projecting Hopkins to the seahawks as WR in round 1 seems less and less likely unless a freak like Patterson drops to us. I am very curious what PC thinks of Kennan Allen? I don't think i'd spend a #25 on him unless he could break 4.5, but a trade back in the first or up into the early 2nd and now i see a few WR's and TE's that have a ton of value.


    I think with Swope in the 4th round you'd be getting an instant contributing slot receiver who can compete/replace Baldwin if need be and be a dominate special teamer. We don't have that player on this team. It still doesn't stop this team from drafting a big sized receiver on the outside in the earlier rounds, because they'd have different roles. Also, like you said, that big 6'3 could even be a huge upside developmental pick. Having a reliable guy like Swope would take the pressure off any receivers still needing to improve their game.

    As to Allen, I'd spend the #25 pick on him in a heartbeat. He's the physical type receiver that this team lacks and is solid in ALL aspects of his game. He has a great catching radius, can run the full route tree, and has good enough speed and toughness to make plays throughout the game.

    I think a lot of people wanted to see more highlight plays from Allen this year, but he simply just wasn't given the opportunity much to do so because of his weak-armed QB, but if you watch the total of his games, you'll notice when he gets a chance to make a play, he can be a game changer.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:29 pm
  • Recon, one thing I have learned not to do is project a rookie WR as contributing much immediately.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:40 pm
  • Scottemojo wrote:Recon, one thing I have learned not to do is project a rookie WR as contributing much immediately.


    It's definitely one of the positions that take the most development (along with DE) to become really good at the pro level, with a few exceptions (like AJ Green and Julio Jones).
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:59 pm
  • Duly noted Scotte. I might have my fan cap on with Swope ;), but in terms of reliability and smarts, I think he's one of the better receivers in this draft, IMO, so with him at least coming into a game periodically in 4 receiver sets, I have faith he can be counted on to make a play. Maybe saying year 1 he's a contributor in small amounts would be a better way to put it.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:10 pm
  • aawolf wrote:kearly--I'll ask again...has Hopkins' stock dropped for you? You've had him as our first round pick in other drafts and I've thought this was a great idea. There are a bunch of recievers in this draft that I would put second and third round grades on, but I thought Hopkins was clearly the best chance to be a star reciever in the NFL a-la AJ Greene, Julio Jones, or Roddy White--the perfect combination of size, strength, speed, quickness, and hands. I'm still hoping we take him in the first round. Did you drop him down or did you just think he'd be gone by pick #25?


    Now that Hopkins is "cool" in this forum Kearly has moved on.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:10 pm
  • T-Sizzle wrote:
    aawolf wrote:kearly--I'll ask again...has Hopkins' stock dropped for you? You've had him as our first round pick in other drafts and I've thought this was a great idea. There are a bunch of recievers in this draft that I would put second and third round grades on, but I thought Hopkins was clearly the best chance to be a star reciever in the NFL a-la AJ Greene, Julio Jones, or Roddy White--the perfect combination of size, strength, speed, quickness, and hands. I'm still hoping we take him in the first round. Did you drop him down or did you just think he'd be gone by pick #25?


    Now that Hopkins is "cool" in this forum Kearly has moved on.


    Lol, I already said "no" back on page 1. Meaning that "no DeAndre Hopkins stock hasn't changed for me." I just thought that in this dream mock, Short had reached roughly equal footing coupled with the fact that this WR class is unbelievably deep. Hopkins is still a total stud, and we'd be extremely lucky to have him.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:32 pm
  • Wenhawk wrote:Would Jordy Nelson or Brian Hartline be a good comparison for Swoope? I'm not bashing the player at all he could be awesome, but I still see the Hawks going for a 6'3 220lb type WR. Getting a big guy with raw skills in the 2nd or later will not innterupt the chemistry that Rice, Tate, and Balwin have and force a major competition as the rookie WR is no lock to get playing time and at 6'3 he will most likely be on the field in the redzone.


    He's already being compared to Jordy Nelson and Wes Welker. Consider that one of those WRs stands 6'3" while the other stands 5'9". That makes you suspicious that people are just making lazy White WR comparisons, although to be fair, all 3 share three common traits- smarts, speed, and being clutch.

    I actually think the Welker comparison comes closest. Welker is a gamer- and you see that same fiery competitiveness in Swope. A lot of people don't realize this, but Swope isn't just straight line fast, he's also got very quick feet and can juke people into missing. He's an outstanding yards after catch receiver. He's a lot bigger than Welker too and can bounce off tackles for extra yards. He throws a mean block- I've seen him decleat players on occasion.

    I can't stress enough how he plays like a Doug Baldwin / Danny Amendola / Wes Welker type in terms of his savvy, presence of mind, and quickness, but unlike those guys he does it in a 6'1" body (and has plenty of bulk to take hits), and he at times flashes moves after the catch that are just a shade below Golden Tate. Swope is really quick out of his breaks and is an awesome improvisor. Never quits on a play. If Seattle drafted him, he wouldn't be a #4 WR for long. He is rising up my WR draft board really fast. I am starting to wonder if I like him more than Hopkins or Gardner.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:39 pm
  • Another thing about Swope- you can play him anywhere. He's great in the slot but he's great outside too. And at his size, speed and blocking ability, he will likely be a very good special teamer as well. He's versatile and that matters a lot to our FO. Dude is a competitor, and can pick up cheap yards after the catch. Checks a LOT of boxes for the Seahawks.

    Scottemojo wrote:Recon, one thing I have learned not to do is project a rookie WR as contributing much immediately.


    While this is true almost 100% of the time with WRs, I could see Swope making an impact immediately. He's like a much better version of Doug Baldwin, and Baldwin come out of the gates swinging while catching passes from T-Jack. I think if you are extremely smart and hard working (with good physical tools), you can contribute very quickly.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:46 pm
  • two dog wrote:While I like this draft, especially Matt Scott, Ryan Swope ans Travis Kelce in those slots,
    I have some reservations.

    I am bothered that nowhere in any round do we take an offensive lineman, something
    I think is sure to happen.


    Absolutely. But this was my mock, not theirs. I could draft 10 WRs if I wanted. In the next version of "what I think they'll do" I'll definitely be including an offensive lineman.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:32 pm
  • Great choices Kearly. On Ryan Swope, his line sure reminds me of Kris Durham. Big, WR with speed supposedly great hands, etc. Durham didn't pan out for the Seahawks, however they have leaned toward those types. Durham wasn't the top WR on Georgia's team. Swope could be the next Hartline or Nelson but also could be the next Durham too. We'll find out in April if he's worth the risk.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:38 am
  • kearly wrote:Last one pre-combine!

    #25: DT Kawann Short
    #58: LB Khaseem Greene (lol)
    #85: DE Armonty Bryant
    #99: WR Ryan Swope
    #122: QB/WR/RB Denard Robinson
    #133: DT/DE Jordan Hill
    #153: TE Travis Kelce
    #186: CB Micah Hyde
    #200: QB Matt Scott
    #206: WR Courtney Gardner
    #217: RB Kendial Lawrence
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    A few thoughts:

    Armonty Bryant was charged wih selling weed to an undercover officer at football practice---TWICE. That's a knucklehead for you. I wouldn't draft him even if he were a top-ten talent unless he's done quite a bit to rehabilitate himself since his arrest in October. This is the one pick in your draft that I would hate. I like where your going with a DE, though, and I'd probably take the other best available one here. Margus Hunt may be available. If your looking for sleepers, then I've got one for you---Brandon Jenkins, DE, FSU--he had 13.5 sacks in 2010 and 8 in 2011--he sat out all of 2012 with a foot injury. He's going to be a steal in the 3rd round.

    I watched highlights of Ryan Swope. I haven't focussed on him before today. He is a great blocker and would be an asset for the Seahawks. He is a great asset to Manzell in that he finds open spaces and makes great blocks when Manzell is improvising. I wouldn't be made if we got him at #99. I'd like to see us get a reciever earlier--my favorites are: 1) Hopkins, 2) Patterson, and 3) Quinton Patton (La Tech WR). We'd need to spend a first round pick to have a shot at the first two, and I'd probably take Patton with 99 if he's still there because he seems to have better big-play ability.

    I'd swap Denard Robinson and Travis Kelce on your draft. I don't think Kelce would last that long, and I would love to have him with the #122 pick and if he's there, I wouldn't risk not taking him with that pick. I think Denard Robinson is more of a flyer because its a little unknown what role he would fit into next season. I see him as a kick returner, or a slot reciever, or a reserve running back. He could be great as a "joker" in the offense, but he could also suck catching the ball or running between tackles. If he's there at 153 though, then take him because he's too good an athelete to pass up.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:04 am
  • hawkfan68 wrote:Great choices Kearly. On Ryan Swope, his line sure reminds me of Kris Durham. Big, WR with speed supposedly great hands, etc. Durham didn't pan out for the Seahawks, however they have leaned toward those types. Durham wasn't the top WR on Georgia's team. Swope could be the next Hartline or Nelson but also could be the next Durham too. We'll find out in April if he's worth the risk.

    Nothing like Durham. Durham sucked, I was down on him from day one. Durham was like Jordan Kent, more runners than football players. Pundits bagged on their route running for a reason. The next zone Durham sits in will be the first. Swope had college production, unlike Durham, and Swope finds areas in zones to present his QB with a target.

    Personally, I would rather have the Harper kid from Kansas State. Big and thick, I think he can do the same thing.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:31 am
  • Scottemojo wrote:Nothing like Durham. Durham sucked


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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:02 am
  • aawolf wrote:Armonty Bryant was charged wih selling weed to an undercover officer at football practice---TWICE. That's a knucklehead for you. I wouldn't draft him even if he were a top-ten talent unless he's done quite a bit to rehabilitate himself since his arrest in October. This is the one pick in your draft that I would hate. I like where your going with a DE, though, and I'd probably take the other best available one here. Margus Hunt may be available. If your looking for sleepers, then I've got one for you---Brandon Jenkins, DE, FSU--he had 13.5 sacks in 2010 and 8 in 2011--he sat out all of 2012 with a foot injury. He's going to be a steal in the 3rd round..


    Right, but consider that a late 3rd round pick is worth maybe 5% of what a top 5 pick is worth. If you swung for the fences and missed 19 times, but got DeMarcus Ware once, you'd be in pretty good shape. He's an idiot, but so was Irvin, who damaged property a month before the draft. So are a lot of young men. I'm not ignoring the risk. I'm weighing it.

    I LOVE that people think this way about Bryant, that somehow he's not worth the risk there. I hope our FO is not among them. The Seahawks were the first team Bryant mentioned when asked about interest from NFL teams, so I'd assume not.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:07 pm
  • Where did pick #99 come from in this mock draft?
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:53 pm
  • Wenhawk wrote:Not really high on the Swoops pick. I'm not sure he'd be an upgrade over Baldwin and as I think it is much cheaper to find a suitable slot WR than a big body who can replace Sidney Rice if he goes down. Unless you bring in a guy like Harvin, Welker or draft Austin for the slot. We need to spend a pick on a project future #1 WR. A guy with size that can out muscle and out jump 5'11 CB's. Hunter, Williams, Rogers, Dobson, Patterson, and Hamilton are all over 6'2, and there are even a few 6'1 guys in Woods and Wheaton that might fall to the 3rd-4th round. I'm on the bandwagon wither we grab a qucik speedy slot who we can move around the field and that can return kicks, or we get a big body that can compete with Tate and/or backup Rice.

    If Rice goes down I dread our passing game regresses drastically even with an improved RW throwing the ball.


    Kinda feel stupid now, Swope proved he has size, speed, and hops. I honsetly expected him to come in smaller and slower simply because he looks like a punter or kicker. I've changed my tune and would probably be happy with him in the 2nd but preferably the 3rd.
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Re: kearly's dream draft 3.0
Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:01 pm
  • kearly wrote:
    aawolf wrote:Armonty Bryant was charged wih selling weed to an undercover officer at football practice---TWICE. That's a knucklehead for you. I wouldn't draft him even if he were a top-ten talent unless he's done quite a bit to rehabilitate himself since his arrest in October. This is the one pick in your draft that I would hate. I like where your going with a DE, though, and I'd probably take the other best available one here. Margus Hunt may be available. If your looking for sleepers, then I've got one for you---Brandon Jenkins, DE, FSU--he had 13.5 sacks in 2010 and 8 in 2011--he sat out all of 2012 with a foot injury. He's going to be a steal in the 3rd round..


    Right, but consider that a late 3rd round pick is worth maybe 5% of what a top 5 pick is worth. If you swung for the fences and missed 19 times, but got DeMarcus Ware once, you'd be in pretty good shape. He's an idiot, but so was Irvin, who damaged property a month before the draft. So are a lot of young men. I'm not ignoring the risk. I'm weighing it.

    I LOVE that people think this way about Bryant, that somehow he's not worth the risk there. I hope our FO is not among them. The Seahawks were the first team Bryant mentioned when asked about interest from NFL teams, so I'd assume not.

    Hit the rewind to 10 months ago when Pete was getting panned for taking Irvin, and it reads like aawolf.

    Also, AA, he was arrested for selling weed once. he sold to the same guy twice, but was arrested once. Small detail, I know, but an important detail.

    There is one play that stands out on Bryant's tape more than any of the others. He stands up and covers a tight end down the field. It is the only time he was in coverage that I saw. 35 yards down field he makes a play at the pylon to knock down a pass. It was an athletic play that made the level of competition irrelevant. It wasn't all the other stuff that hooked me, but that one freak play.
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