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 Post subject: Re: Would you draft Tyrann Mathieu in the 3rd round?
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No.

Why?


I feel like we've had this conversation about 1000 times.

He's a complete nightmare who will need constant babysitting and will always be battling against returning to drugs. He even admitted himself he can't be drafted by New Orleans because they'd have to 'protect' him. He also admitted he spent most of his time going into the combine focusing on staying clean, not preparing for the work out and drills. Bringing him to a place where weed is now legal is probably not doing him or the team any favours.

Then there's the whole departure from LSU. You're not talking about someone who made a mistake and that's that. He was warned multiple times by LSU to kick the drugs. He didn't. He was kicked off the team. How many high profile former Heisman finalists get kicked off their teams? LSU clearly took this very seriously. He then made a big PR push saying he'd stay in school, work hard, go to rehab. Try and play football the following year for the Tigers. He promised he'd learnt his lesson. Then what? Few weeks later, arrested for drug possession. End of college career.

Quite aside from that he isn't anywhere near as good as his reputation will have you think. He made plays in college. He also got pushed around and beat fairly often too. Slot corner is one of the most complex positions in the NFL -- it's why PC put Trufant there all year instead of one of the rookies. If you think Mathieu is going to come in and step straight in I think you'll be sadly mistaken. It may never be a role that suits him either. He won't just have to defend Amendola and Welker types, he'd have to cover the Gronk's and Gonzalez types too, where he'll be destroyed. For me his best position will be centre field safety. And we have the best in the business there already.

So let somebody else deal with this headache. I think he'll be a 7th rounder or an UDFA. The team that gives him a shot will need it to be a situation where they can cut the guy at any point. Even if that's in May. So nobody is going to spend a high draft pick on him like a third rounder. Taking him in that range would be an unnecessary risk.


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The kid's a card-carrying, certified knucklehead. Pass.

His lifestyle decisions will disappoint. It's just a matter of when.

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Total putz! I wouldn't want him at all.


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If he dropped to our 7th pick id take em


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dude is a gamechanger...

all yall that are hatin on him will be eating crow a year from now if we draft him

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Why draft a guy that won't get drafted?

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Plus after watching his film, he is a pussy. PASS with a capital P.

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No Honey-badgers for me. Way too many concerns plus I get the feeling he's a cheer or jeer type with nearly equal amounts of both. I agree that the slot CB need is real and I could see them addressing that need in their first couple of picks. Trufant NEEDS to be replaced sooner rather than later-IMO.

I seem to recall from last year that the Seahawks had shown interest in CB-Logan Ryan from Rutgers. He is probably a round 2-3 prospect, and I'd think at 5'-11"/191 he wouldn't really be limited to slot only. In round 3-(maybe 4), CB-Leon McFadden & CB-Brandon McGee both look good to me as viable options deserving consideration at slot corner.

It looks like SS-Shamarko Thomas 5'-9"/213 could be availble possibly in rounds 2-3. IMO, he'd be a great backup to ET and should fit the hybrid/slot corner position pretty damn well also. From what I've seen on film of Shamarko Thomas, he's very much a bigtime BALLER and should fit in nicely with the defense. So he'd be MY preference in this draft if they go DB in the first couple of rounds and I'd really hate it if he went to the whiners or rams. If you haven't watched any tape on him, you need to be wearing a helmet when you watch the bowling ball in action.

Additionally, I've seen some mentions of FS-Jakar Hamilton 5'-11"/196 from So. Carolina St. as a later round option that might be able to man the slot corner and/or a hybrid position.

I'd also be very much in favor with the later round (6-7) selection of SS-Cooper Taylor, 6'-4"/229, who has been compared to Cam Chanceller by some. These tall DB's that can play aren't found too often, so why not invest a little in the future & bring in guys that can be potential understudies and eventual replacements like this? Can't wait for the actual draft when we will all get answers about this stuff.

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dude is a gamechanger...

all yall that are hatin on him will be eating crow a year from now if we draft him



Great counter... even got the word 'hatin' in there.


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To the naysayers I respect your opinion but can you give more information than just a "No, he's a bad character".


More is needed?

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To the naysayers I respect your opinion but can you give more information than just a "No, he's a bad character".


Ok:

He's an awful character. He's also potentially retarded. That's the only thing that would explain how stupid he sounds even today. There is barely a hint of contrition, which in my estimation follows exactly what I would expect from a guy who repeatedly got into the dope even after he was 'supposedly done' with it.

I don't know you, or if you've ever had to deal with an addict in your own life. It is an absolute nightmare. It is an incredibly draining and distracting existence. The whole vibe of your household changes. People walk on egg shells. They are constantly wondering/worried about relapse. But ultimately it's about cannibalizing the trust in your home and in your life.

This team has 50 some players in it. Countless other staff who work insane hours at their craft. Their hopes and dreams are held in trust with one another. Everything they've ever hoped to achieve since they were kids playing on the streets. Their team mates are the ones that they entrust those dreams to. When you fail personally in that way, you defecate on that trust.

There is no way I take him even if he's Aaron Rodgers. I don't take him at the NFL minimum as a UDFA. There is no scenario where I want him within 100 miles of the VMAC except in a niners uniform.


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So just because he is a pothead means we can't draft him, the guy is a future star and is a huge playmaker. We need to draft him 2nd round.


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So just because he is a pothead means we can't draft him, the guy is a future star and is a huge playmaker. We need to draft him 2nd round.


Again, another brilliant piece of cutting analysis. Brimming with detail.

What a thoroughly convincing argument.

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I suspect Matthieu has been crossed off the list long since.

He's a talented but troubled player for sure but has none of the exceptional characteristics Pn'J seem to want in a measureables sense (small and slow), unfortunately his negatives far outweigh his abilities as a baller (his possible exceptional characteristic) and the Hawks don't need an egocentric nickel CB with a drug problem.

There are way too many alternative choices that don't have the baggage that Matthieu brings with him. The team doesn't need the potential disruption and circus he carries with him.

Nope, not a chance.

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So just because he is a pothead means we can't draft him, the guy is a future star and is a huge playmaker. We need to draft him 2nd round.


Again, another brilliant piece of cutting analysis. Brimming with detail.

What a thoroughly convincing argument.

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Mathieu is a fiery competetor that will be coming in with a chip on his shoulder and be very motivated. This guy makes big hits and is a very good tackler, he is the best player at stripping the football that i have ever seen or you'll ever see. He can play on 3rd downs as a nickel back or as the 3rd safety where we can let him rome around the field and make plays. He is also a threat to take it to the house on returns every play. He is the type of player that will make a huge impact on little plays because of his instincts and play making ability. Every time he touches the field, he will put fear in his opponents because of his threat to make a big play on any given play. This guy is a game changer and is a player that would improve our team by his play making ability.
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So just because he is a pothead means we can't draft him, the guy is a future star and is a huge playmaker. We need to draft him 2nd round.


Again, another brilliant piece of cutting analysis. Brimming with detail.

What a thoroughly convincing argument.

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seahawks875 wrote:
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So just because he is a pothead means we can't draft him, the guy is a future star and is a huge playmaker. We need to draft him 2nd round.


Again, another brilliant piece of cutting analysis. Brimming with detail.

What a thoroughly convincing argument.

:sarcasm_off:

And what makes your opinion the one and only and everyone else's wrong


Well, to be fair, you are the one saying despite him being a moron, untrustworthy and a pothead, that we should imperil the best secondary in the NFL by taking him with the first pick we have in the draft.

Seems the onus is on you to provide they why.

You just saying he's a playmaker doesn't make him one. This isn't a case where if you say it enough then it must be true. Convince us. Because the negatives are already proven.

He has to be off the charts. Not just opinion. Give us plentiful examples of this. Not just a highlight reel. Even Kelly Jennings made *some* plays.


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So just because he is a pothead means we can't draft him, the guy is a future star and is a huge playmaker. We need to draft him 2nd round.


It's more than being a pothead, if there are concerns about him coming to practice and showing up to meetings than it's not a guy you want. Simple as that.


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....He made plays in college. He also got pushed around and beat fairly often too. Slot corner is one of the most complex positions in the NFL -- it's why PC put Trufant there all year instead of one of the rookies. If you think Mathieu is going to come in and step straight in I think you'll be sadly mistaken. It may never be a role that suits him either. He won't just have to defend Amendola and Welker types, he'd have to cover the Gronk's and Gonzalez types too, where he'll be destroyed. For me his best position will be centre field safety. And we have the best in the business there already.


Nice work English Seahawk. You are perhaps the most well spoken voicing the opposite positions as my own, and your concerns are definitely valid. I hear you, and sometimes feel the same way too... 'Gosh this is a risk, why risk it? What am I thinking? Pick Swope and be happy. Geez.'

BUT... this also got me to thinkin' about something I failed to mention previously... we need a better backup Free Safety than Maragos for depth behind Earl Thomas anyways, so why not kill two birds with one stone? Oh wait... and a better punt returner than Tate. So, why not 3 REAL NEEDS with one quality multitask football player? Mathieu fits us perfectly!

For me the draft is simple. Get as many quality footballers on your team as you can. Coach 'em up, and turn 'em loose. Hopefully win forever...

That said, once again, IMO its about the 3rd down matchups & turnovers in Big Games, and personally I see Mathieu being capable in the slot 1on1 and/or blitzing the QB in key spots. But it's also straightup about who can catch LaMichael James or Jacquizz Rogers in the open field on a 3rd & 4 dumpoff, and make a tackle short of the sticks. If y'all don't like Mathieu in the slot vs. Amendola/Welker, put Earl on Amendola or Welker and have Mathieu roam the FS as you suggest... because I'm totally cool with that. As far as being destroyed by 6'7" Gonzalez and/or Gronk types... I mean who isn't?? My suggestion with our personnel? Put Brandon Browner on those guys 1on1 because of his size, speed, and length... & if that be the case, let Mathieu roam FS, and put Earl as the RCB like they did in the ProBowl. Or put Mathieu out at RCB and have Earl help him out over the top at FS. Indeed, one of the major reasons I forgot to mention before why I like Mathieu so much is, because he provides much needed flexibility/interchangability within our secondary (and depth in case of injury to Thomas).


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Lastly, lest I forget, I got nothing but LOVE & RESPECT for Marcus Trufant. Truly, a class act, and a franchise cornerstone for a decade. I own and proudly wear his jerseys on Gamedays to prove it. BUT OMG! he's old and slow now... and cant blitz or create turnovers like he used to. Mathieu is a downright tenacious dog on defense, and a baller with something to prove. Reminds me of Marshawn after Buffalo, or Sherman after 5th rd. We need some new Beastmode in the #23, and for my money its Tyrann Mathieu.



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Hunny Badger will disappear into football lore as quickly and effectively as Maurice Clarrett.

He will not be a Seahawk. I guarantee it.

1. Seattle passed on Jimmy Smith, who had multiple drug issues and attitude problems, and he was clearly the most talented player on the board. This dude doesn't have even close to that kind of talent.

2. Our corners are long. He isn't. It's that simple. Seattle was just at a pro day for a 6'3" receiver suggesting he play defense.

3. Measurables. He lacks speed and strength. With the time he had to get ready for the combine it was clear he had not spent time in the weight room. This alone would be enough to cross him off Seattle's list. I don't care what his reasons for not being in the weight room are unless they are injury related, and they aren't.

Last, let's address this notion that he is a natural playmaker. his kick return stuff is nice, and he appears to have natural skills there. But his ball hawking on a defense where he got to play with NFL talent at nearly every position on the defense does not equate to being a natural playmaker, especially when you consider his lack of wheels. He needed to be a 4.4 guy to be even considered on the first two days, and he simply isn't. College production is nice, but if you lack wheels you will not make plays, you will miss them. Teo lacks wheels, and it is causing him to be called a two down backer even though he had 7 interceptions.

I don't call late round picks off the board very often, but this one is easy. Mathieu is off Seattle's board, and I am willing to bet cash that if he is available in the 7th or as a UDFA, Seattle passes. Not even for drug reasons either.

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Hunny Badger will disappear into football lore as quickly and effectively as Maurice Clarrett.

He will not be a Seahawk. I guarantee it.

1. Seattle passed on Jimmy Smith, who had multiple drug issues and attitude problems, and he was clearly the most talented player on the board. This dude doesn't have even close to that kind of talent.

2. Our corners are long. He isn't. It's that simple. Seattle was just at a pro day for a 6'3" receiver suggesting he play defense.

3. Measurables. He lacks speed and strength. With the time he had to get ready for the combine it was clear he had not spent time in the weight room. This alone would be enough to cross him off Seattle's list. I don't care what his reasons for not being in the weight room are unless they are injury related, and they aren't.

Last, let's address this notion that he is a natural playmaker. his kick return stuff is nice, and he appears to have natural skills there. But his ball hawking on a defense where he got to play with NFL talent at nearly every position on the defense does not equate to being a natural playmaker, especially when you consider his lack of wheels. He needed to be a 4.4 guy to be even considered on the first two days, and he simply isn't. College production is nice, but if you lack wheels you will not make plays, you will miss them. Teo lacks wheels, and it is causing him to be called a two down backer even though he had 7 interceptions.

I don't call late round picks off the board very often, but this one is easy. Mathieu is off Seattle's board, and I am willing to bet cash that if he is available in the 7th or as a UDFA, Seattle passes. Not even for drug reasons either.


Bravo Scotte. I was going to post almost exactly this, of course with far less words.

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Hunny Badger will disappear into football lore as quickly and effectively as Maurice Clarrett.

He will not be a Seahawk. I guarantee it.

1. Seattle passed on Jimmy Smith, who had multiple drug issues and attitude problems, and he was clearly the most talented player on the board. This dude doesn't have even close to that kind of talent.

2. Our corners are long. He isn't. It's that simple. Seattle was just at a pro day for a 6'3" receiver suggesting he play defense.

3. Measurables. He lacks speed and strength. With the time he had to get ready for the combine it was clear he had not spent time in the weight room. This alone would be enough to cross him off Seattle's list. I don't care what his reasons for not being in the weight room are unless they are injury related, and they aren't.

Last, let's address this notion that he is a natural playmaker. his kick return stuff is nice, and he appears to have natural skills there. But his ball hawking on a defense where he got to play with NFL talent at nearly every position on the defense does not equate to being a natural playmaker, especially when you consider his lack of wheels. He needed to be a 4.4 guy to be even considered on the first two days, and he simply isn't. College production is nice, but if you lack wheels you will not make plays, you will miss them. Teo lacks wheels, and it is causing him to be called a two down backer even though he had 7 interceptions.

I don't call late round picks off the board very often, but this one is easy. Mathieu is off Seattle's board, and I am willing to bet cash that if he is available in the 7th or as a UDFA, Seattle passes. Not even for drug reasons either.


Bravo Scotte. I was going to post almost exactly this, of course with far less words.


Wow. I was going to post Exactly this. Word for word. But decided to swim the Englich Channel instead.

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Nice write up Scotte. I agree, he will not be a Hawk and I don't see him being drafted.

Just a comment on the Jimmy Smith thing. Schneider did comment on him saying that riskinf brining a player like that into a young locker room. Maybe with a more established locker room like the Ravens you can gamble a bit more. Whether that's just a speach or the truth?


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Hunny Badger will disappear into football lore as quickly and effectively as Maurice Clarrett.

He will not be a Seahawk. I guarantee it.

1. Seattle passed on Jimmy Smith, who had multiple drug issues and attitude problems, and he was clearly the most talented player on the board. This dude doesn't have even close to that kind of talent.

2. Our corners are long. He isn't. It's that simple. Seattle was just at a pro day for a 6'3" receiver suggesting he play defense.

3. Measurables. He lacks speed and strength. With the time he had to get ready for the combine it was clear he had not spent time in the weight room. This alone would be enough to cross him off Seattle's list. I don't care what his reasons for not being in the weight room are unless they are injury related, and they aren't.

Last, let's address this notion that he is a natural playmaker. his kick return stuff is nice, and he appears to have natural skills there. But his ball hawking on a defense where he got to play with NFL talent at nearly every position on the defense does not equate to being a natural playmaker, especially when you consider his lack of wheels. He needed to be a 4.4 guy to be even considered on the first two days, and he simply isn't. College production is nice, but if you lack wheels you will not make plays, you will miss them. Teo lacks wheels, and it is causing him to be called a two down backer even though he had 7 interceptions.

I don't call late round picks off the board very often, but this one is easy. Mathieu is off Seattle's board, and I am willing to bet cash that if he is available in the 7th or as a UDFA, Seattle passes. Not even for drug reasons either.

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Hunny Badger will disappear into football lore as quickly and effectively as Maurice Clarrett.

He will not be a Seahawk. I guarantee it.

1. Seattle passed on Jimmy Smith, who had multiple drug issues and attitude problems, and he was clearly the most talented player on the board. This dude doesn't have even close to that kind of talent.

2. Our corners are long. He isn't. It's that simple. Seattle was just at a pro day for a 6'3" receiver suggesting he play defense.

3. Measurables. He lacks speed and strength. With the time he had to get ready for the combine it was clear he had not spent time in the weight room. This alone would be enough to cross him off Seattle's list. I don't care what his reasons for not being in the weight room are unless they are injury related, and they aren't.

Last, let's address this notion that he is a natural playmaker. his kick return stuff is nice, and he appears to have natural skills there. But his ball hawking on a defense where he got to play with NFL talent at nearly every position on the defense does not equate to being a natural playmaker, especially when you consider his lack of wheels. He needed to be a 4.4 guy to be even considered on the first two days, and he simply isn't. College production is nice, but if you lack wheels you will not make plays, you will miss them. Teo lacks wheels, and it is causing him to be called a two down backer even though he had 7 interceptions.

I don't call late round picks off the board very often, but this one is easy. Mathieu is off Seattle's board, and I am willing to bet cash that if he is available in the 7th or as a UDFA, Seattle passes. Not even for drug reasons either.


Bravo Scotte. I was going to post almost exactly this, of course with far less words.


Wow. I was going to post Exactly this. Word for word. But decided to swim the Englich Channel instead.


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He will not be a Seahawk. I guarantee it.

2. Our corners are long. He isn't. It's that simple. Seattle was just at a pro day for a 6'3" receiver suggesting he play defense.


Would you expect our slot corner to be long? If so then I buy your argument.

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And what makes your opinion the one and only and everyone else's wrong



Nothing.

But I (and others) have offered some detail to back up our stance. The counters we've had so far are, "He is great, he will be a superstar, he is amazinnnn."


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He will not be a Seahawk. I guarantee it.

2. Our corners are long. He isn't. It's that simple. Seattle was just at a pro day for a 6'3" receiver suggesting he play defense.


Would you expect our slot corner to be long? If so then I buy your argument.


Write down a list of corners Pete has had in Seattle that were under 5'11". It will be a short one. Pun intended.

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Sherman and perhaps Browner started in the slot before moving up, if memory serves. IIRC, Seattle had to trade Kelly Jennings to get Browner a starting gig. Maxwell and Lane (both six foot plus) played a lot of slot corner last year.

Shortest corner Pete has acquired is Walter Thurmond, who is listed at 5'11".


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He will not be a Seahawk. I guarantee it.

2. Our corners are long. He isn't. It's that simple. Seattle was just at a pro day for a 6'3" receiver suggesting he play defense.


Would you expect our slot corner to be long? If so then I buy your argument.


Write down a list of corners Pete has had in Seattle that were under 5'11". It will be a short one. Pun intended.


Would you expect our slot corner to be long?

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Would not draft this guy in any round. He is a waste of oxygen.


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Would you expect our slot corner to be long? If so then I buy your argument.


Write down a list of corners Pete has had in Seattle that were under 5'11". It will be a short one. Pun intended.


Would you expect our slot corner to be long?


They have not been short for 3 years now. 5'11 is the shortest one. Pete experimented with slim, but traded him for Clinton Mcdonall before the season began, IIRC.

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Sherman and perhaps Browner started in the slot before moving up, if memory serves. IIRC, Seattle had to trade Kelly Jennings to get Browner a starting gig. Maxwell and Lane (both six foot plus) played a lot of slot corner last year.

Shortest corner Pete has acquired is Walter Thurmond, who is listed at 5'11".


Not 100%, but I'm pretty sure Browner was purely an outside CB since he took over WT3 in training camp and Sherman was also always an outside guy, too. IIRC, Sherman would come into the game in nickel situations rookie year and they would bump WT3 inside. (started doing that against the NY Giants, IIRC, when Trufant went on IR with a back injury. One games later WT3 broke his leg and opened the door for Sherm.)

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The guy is a pot head, so does that mean you can't draft him? No, the guys a ball hawk and just makes plays, I would love the pick at 56

Except for the part where smoking pot means not seeing the field. Isn't it something absurd like four games per offense? If his head were on straight otherwise but I would be shocked if someone takes a shot on him in the second.


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So just because he is a pothead means we can't draft him, the guy is a future star and is a huge playmaker. We need to draft him 2nd round.


You won't change their mind. The majority of .net is put off by the thugs we bring into town. They want good guys, they are very much in the Ruskell mind set. Even last year guys were calling for Pete's head......people hated when he was hired.

That is part of why people wouldn't want him drafted.

The other part is he is not a 2nd round pick. I'd be cool with round 5 or later though.

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So just because he is a pothead means we can't draft him, the guy is a future star and is a huge playmaker. We need to draft him 2nd round.


You won't change their mind. The majority of .net is put off by the thugs we bring into town. They want good guys, they are very much in the Ruskell mind set. Even last year guys were calling for Pete's head......people hated when he was hired.

That is part of why people wouldn't want him drafted.

The other part is he is not a 2nd round pick. I'd be cool with round 5 or later though.

This is one of the most sweeping misrepresentations of .net opinion I've seen in a while.


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How hard is it to kick the weed long enough to have a career where you will make millions? The guy has proven that he is immature and can't be trusted. Yes, weed is nice, but if you gave me the option of earning millions of dollars in my career, I wouldn't hesitate @ kicking the weed. Have a great career, retire, THEN smoke. Makes sense to me.


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I'd take him in the 4th or later. I think he's more of a free safety who can return punts and help with kick returns. He played some gunner on punt coverage but I don't think he has the strength to break the press. Just like I don't think he's strong enough to play corner. He's an instinctual player who does well at anticipating plays. As an open field tackler he is better than average. He will grab a body part and hold on for help to arrive, but he doesn't always bring guys down by himself. In single coverage he is pretty good but his athleticism holds him back from breaking up passes higher up in the air, and on down field routes he sometimes gives up too much ground. Maybe he was baiting the QB to throw his way? I could see that.

I'm not worried about his character really, especially for a 4th or 5th rounder. He smoked pot but he hasn't had issues with teammates, authority, or violent crimes. Just a pot head who's looking to break the habit. Maybe thats not a good thing for him in Seattle though right? Didn't you guys just legalize smoking weed?

I really could see him being a good free safety and punt returner. Put him back there with Harvin on kick returns and you have a double threat. I'd give him the opportunity to play corner but I don't see it working out and a position change to back up free safety after camp. Maragos is on the last year of his contract anyway so you could possibly get Tyrann for 4 years as cheap depth and see what happens.


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So just because he is a pothead means we can't draft him, the guy is a future star and is a huge playmaker. We need to draft him 2nd round.


You won't change their mind. The majority of .net is put off by the thugs we bring into town. They want good guys, they are very much in the Ruskell mind set. Even last year guys were calling for Pete's head......people hated when he was hired.

That is part of why people wouldn't want him drafted.

The other part is he is not a 2nd round pick. I'd be cool with round 5 or later though.

This is one of the most sweeping misrepresentations of .net opinion I've seen in a while.


last year people were saying fire Pete, fire Bevel. Go look at the main forum and the past posts.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54803 <==== just one of the many from last year.

I remember the hords of people calling in local radio when PC was hired....9 out of 10 hated it. People here posting they hated it.

Its my opinion, but just pay attention next year. You will see posted in the main forum plenty.

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last year people were saying fire Pete, fire Bevel. Go look at the main forum and the past posts.
http://seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54803 <==== just one of the many from last year.

I remember the hords of people calling in local radio when PC was hired....9 out of 10 hated it. People here posting they hated it.

Its my opinion, but just pay attention next year. You will see posted in the main forum plenty.


I don't see how this relates at all.

Mathieu can't be trusted. Period. You simply cannot have that on a team. I don't think for one second that giving a guy like that freedom and money will result in anything positive at all.

He literally is incapable of committing to his profession. Even today, after having enough time and advice and motivation to prove that he can be, he fails. That doesn't sound like a guy we'd want here in the least.

This team doesn't need a guy they have to coddle because he's a retard. This is a team that is loaded. It needs guys who can get on board. Thugs or nice guys. It's all about the level of commitment to the team. Tyrann has the least capacity to commit to a team in probably the last 5 years worth of draft prospects.


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I was delighted with the decision to release Ruskell, even more delighted with the appointment of Carroll and have never once called for his head.

And I don't want Tyrann Mathieu.

Pretty sure I'm not alone on this one.


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OMG!
Whoa! No responses at all to my blatant devil's advocacy? :stirthepot:
I believe I am feeling a disturbance in the force...
And I don't need the bad LSU juju... so...

Alright draft "experts"... calm down.
How about this...
2 #56 Sylvester Williams DT, North Carolina
3 #87 John Simon, DE, Ohio State
4 #123 Denard Robinson RB/PR/ROQB, Michigan
5 #138 Brennen Williams OT, North Carolina
5 #158 Tyrann Mathieu FS/PR, LSU
6 #194 Brice Butler WR/CB, SDSU
7 #220 BJ Daniels ROQB, South Florida
7 #231 Abry Jones DT, Georgia
7 #241 Maurice Shaw 6'10"RedzoneTE/FGKickBlocker, Basketball/Tacoma, WA

and while we are drafting/importing basketball style TE's...
7 #242 LeBron James TE, Miami Heat

...just in case LeBron wants to add a SuperBowl ring to his extensive resume :th2thumbs:


&BTW Is anybody aware Percy Harvin was positively tested for marijuana at the NFL Combine in 2009? I believe he turned out fine in PC/JS's eyes...
After all, the "one bad egg" we've brought into the fold lately was Aaron Curry. I mean he was really, really, really, NICE & squeeeky, squeeeky, squeeeky CLEAN and everything... he just couldn't play football was all. Please remember, its taken 4 years to rebuild from that fiasco. Shoulda, woulda, could've had Harvin then (a TD monster baller)... or Clay Matthews (a QB hunter Predator baller...) even... but they had big egos, bad attitudes, off-field issues, and we shied away with our platitudes...

IMO Mathieu is a top 100 pick (which means our 2nd or 3rd rounder...) because he is unique to our secondary and can play multiple positions or help us punt returning etc. I don't think he will last past 150 or so (at the very latest), so... WHY NOT? I think we should get him early because somebody is gonna give him a shot, and it may as well be us reaping the benefits of his on-field talent. And, if we select him at #56, it will make Mel Kiper's head explode... which would go a long ways towards making the world a better place right there... :P

If he screws the pooch, cut him. Simple as that.

I know y'all disagree. But... for the reward potential alone, its worth the risk ratio.

Bottomline:
Relax people...
the Trophy is on its way :177692:


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I was delighted with the decision to release Ruskell, even more delighted with the appointment of Carroll and have never once called for his head.

And I don't want Tyrann Mathieu.

Pretty sure I'm not alone on this one.


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OMG!
Whoa! No responses at all to my blatant devil's advocacy? :stirthepot:
I believe I am feeling a disturbance in the force...
And I don't need the bad LSU juju... so...

Alright draft "experts"... calm down.
How about this...
2 #56 Sylvester Williams DT, North Carolina
3 #87 John Simon, DE, Ohio State
4 #123 Denard Robinson RB/PR/ROQB, Michigan
5 #138 Brennen Williams OT, North Carolina
5 #158 Tyrann Mathieu FS/PR, LSU
6 #194 Brice Butler WR/CB, SDSU
7 #220 BJ Daniels ROQB, South Florida
7 #231 Abry Jones DT, Georgia
7 #241 Maurice Shaw 6'10"RedzoneTE/FGKickBlocker, Basketball/Tacoma, WA

and while we are drafting/importing basketball style TE's...
7 #242 LeBron James TE, Miami Heat

...just in case LeBron wants to add a SuperBowl ring to his extensive resume :th2thumbs:


&BTW Is anybody aware Percy Harvin was positively tested for marijuana at the NFL Combine in 2009? I believe he turned out fine in PC/JS's eyes...
After all, the "one bad egg" we've brought into the fold lately was Aaron Curry. I mean he was really, really, really, NICE & squeeeky, squeeeky, squeeeky CLEAN and everything... he just couldn't play football was all. Please remember, its taken 4 years to rebuild from that fiasco. Shoulda, woulda, could've had Harvin then (a TD monster baller)... or Clay Matthews (a QB hunter Predator baller...) even... but they had big egos, bad attitudes, off-field issues, and we shied away with our platitudes...

IMO Mathieu is a top 100 pick (which means our 2nd or 3rd rounder...) because he is unique to our secondary and can play multiple positions or help us punt returning etc. I don't think he will last past 150 or so (at the very latest), so... WHY NOT? I think we should get him early because somebody is gonna give him a shot, and it may as well be us reaping the benefits of his on-field talent. And, if we select him at #56, it will make Mel Kiper's head explode... which would go a long ways towards making the world a better place right there... :P

If he screws the pooch, cut him. Simple as that.

I know y'all disagree. But... for the reward potential alone, its worth the risk ratio.

Bottomline:
Relax people...
the Trophy is on its way :177692:


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&BTW Is anybody aware Percy Harvin was positively tested for marijuana at the NFL Combine in 2009? I believe he turned out fine in PC/JS's eyes...
After all, the "one bad egg" we've brought into the fold lately was Aaron Curry. I mean he was really, really, really, NICE & squeeeky, squeeeky, squeeeky CLEAN and everything... he just couldn't play football was all. Please remember, its taken 4 years to rebuild from that fiasco. Shoulda, woulda, could've had Harvin then (a TD monster baller)... or Clay Matthews (a QB hunter Predator baller...) even... but they had big egos, bad attitudes, off-field issues, and we shied away with our platitudes...

IMO Mathieu is a top 100 pick (which means our 2nd or 3rd rounder...) because he is unique to our secondary and can play multiple positions or help us punt returning etc. I don't think he will last past 150 or so (at the very latest), so... WHY NOT? I think we should get him early because somebody is gonna give him a shot, and it may as well be us reaping the benefits of his on-field talent. And, if we select him at #56, it will make Mel Kiper's head explode... which would go a long ways towards making the world a better place right there... :P

If he screws the pooch, cut him. Simple as that.

I know y'all disagree. But... for the reward potential alone, its worth the risk ratio.

Bottomline:
Relax people...
the Trophy is on its way :177692:



I think you're missing the point that some people are making in this thread.

I know I'm not a saint, I'm guessing there's a few others on here in the same position. My issue isn't that Mathieu isn't 'squeaky clean'. It isn't that he failed a drugs test. It's that he was given ample warning by LSU to kick the habit, and couldn't. And they felt it was serious enough to throw him off the team. LSU, knowing they only had to put up with his crap for one more year, still felt they were better off kicking a Heisman finalist off their team.

When he was issued that huge setback, he insisted he would get clean. Would work hard, stay at LSU and try and get back into the football team for the 2013 season. He checked into rehab. Then a few weeks later he's arrested for being in possession of a huge stash of marijuana.

End of college career.

Clearly the guy has a problem with drugs that goes beyond the odd failed test. It's a clear addiction. He's admitted as much that he spent most of his combine prep fighting to stay clean. He's admitted it wouldn't be a good idea for New Orleans to draft him -- I think he said something like -- "they'd have to do a good job protecting me".

You made the comparison to Harvin, who was never kicked out of Florida. He failed a drugs test at the combine. So have other players. One or even multiple drug offenses doesn't mean you're an addict. It just means you're a bonehead who needs a wake up call. Players like Harvin heeded the warning. Mathieu can't help himself. Big difference.

The mistake you're making here is thinking some of us just want a team full of choir boys. I don't. I'm happy to accommodate Harvin and all his mishaps. What I don't want is a guy who is going to need constant babysitting. A guy who is one relapse a way from being a negative headline and a major distraction. A player who might not just get himself into trouble, but might drag others down with him. Someone who will spend less time honing his craft and becoming a better player and more time trying to avoid drugs.

That's the kind of guy Tyrann Mathieu is. And the potential benefit for the gamble is minimal.

I'm not sure what people think Mathieu is, but his reputation as a prospect is incredibly inflated. He's a small, not particularly fast or physical corner. He will find it incredibly difficult to fit in the slot or as an orthodox corner. His best position in my opinion will be free safety. In fact, I don't know how anyone can project him as anything else. He was consistently abused in college. Then he forces a fumble. Good for him. Give up three or four plays, make one. That's how he operates. He's not a great player. He's a player who inherited a media-friendly nickname and had enough highlight moments to make himself a darling.

Even if he was crystal clear off the field, I'd bet he wouldn't go as high as some people seem to think with the issues. He's a 'name'. People recognise him because they remember hearing the words 'Honey Badger' mentioned 17 times during a game by the CBS crew. The likelihood is he'll be an UDFA because of the off-field issues. And people will wonder why. For about a year when everyone's forgotten about him. Because at the core of everything is he just isn't all that great as a prospect.


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Thanks to lukerguy for the awesome link.
And by ditto-ing me, T-Sizzle must be sellin' not just sizzle, but steak!
I may be missing the point 'of some people', but I'm not the only one catching the wave of possibilities how this particularly unique player will contribute in putting us over the top.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/nfl-draft/201 ... u-seahawks
I'll mercy finish this with a very brief quote from the above link by SoCal HawkFan, just to emphasize the actual football stats we're discussing here: "What Tyrann possesses is a once in a generation playmaking ability. The simple fact that a player that small could, in two seasons (one where he was only a backup), force 11 fumbles, record 133 tackles, 16 for loss, 6 sacks, and 4 picks speaks volumes to this kid's playmaking ability."

I couldn't have said it better myself... :)

Yeah yeah yeah... he aint big, he aint strong, and he aint fast... heck, maybe he aint even all that smart...lol... but HE IS A: looky-loo, peekaboo, poke it out/rip it out, pick it up and run with it, take it to the house, wildcard jokercat that can't stop smiling 'cuz he just ate the canary again PLAYMAKER.

IMO, I draft him early. 2nd at the earliest to make Mel Kiper's head spin around. 3rd round for certain. 5th at the latest to be sure and still get him...

'Cuz... after all is said and done, there isn't anybody on my own list of 'normal' draftpicks (posted above) that I'd rather have on my team. And, because I believe the Seahawks GM, current coaching staff, and the positive peer pressure from The Legion of Boom itself, can collectively handle the 'Alright. Now. This is how we do it round here' stuff.


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