John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor

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John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:12 pm
  • Both were taken in January from the Seahawks. How much do these guys know about our draft board? A guy on sports radio who has worked war rooms said that draft boards don't usually change much. Saying that injuries and character concerns are the only reason players move down the board. I'm curious if anyone may be paranoid that Izdik and Bradley may take our picks?
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:36 pm
  • Their teams have A LOT of needs, our team doesn't. Non issue. I don't think anyone here could predict what our guys are going to do. We already got a prime receiver, from that point it's a guess. Hopefully BPA.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:45 pm
  • On another note, the dude who writes the Game of Thrones books calling for John Idzik to be fired because of the Revis trade should stick to writing about fairies and magic pixie dust and stuff he actually knows about. Doofus.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:03 pm
  • Smelly McUgly wrote:On another note, the dude who writes the Game of Thrones books calling for John Idzik to be fired because of the Revis trade should stick to writing about fairies and magic pixie dust and stuff he actually knows about. Doofus.



    GRRM does write GOT and some other books that are of that era, but his unheralded work is a lot of history writing. He is speaking as a fan, seen the quote.

    How many said our front office was crazy for letting Housh and Josh Wilson go for low rounders or just release? I think it turned out pretty well.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:06 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:
    Smelly McUgly wrote:On another note, the dude who writes the Game of Thrones books calling for John Idzik to be fired because of the Revis trade should stick to writing about fairies and magic pixie dust and stuff he actually knows about. Doofus.



    GRRM does write GOT and some other books that are of that era, but his unheralded work is a lot of history writing. He is speaking as a fan, seen the quote.

    How many said our front office was crazy for letting Housh and Josh Wilson go for low rounders or just release? I think it turned out pretty well.


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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:09 pm
  • Oh shit this board was all upset we were going to eat Housh's contract and that we traded our best CB for peanuts. The Trufant bashing was already in full swing and Jennings was no solution either. Then Jennings was sent to Cincinnati if memory serves.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:14 pm
  • People were upset about the Wilson loss for a while as I recall.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:17 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Oh shit this board was all upset we were going to eat Housh's contract and that we traded our best CB for peanuts. The Trufant bashing was already in full swing and Jennings was no solution either. Then Jennings was sent to Cincinnati if memory serves.


    People were mad about Housh?

    Anyway, as someone who has respect for Idzik's work, I am calling GoT guy out for his terrible rant, just as I would any fan that wrote all that. I just saw what he wrote because it was highlighted over on Shutdown Corner. I'm sure I could compile a few bad posts from Gang Green Nation and mock those too were I so inclined. :D
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:19 pm
  • Smelly McUgly wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Oh shit this board was all upset we were going to eat Housh's contract and that we traded our best CB for peanuts. The Trufant bashing was already in full swing and Jennings was no solution either. Then Jennings was sent to Cincinnati if memory serves.


    People were mad about Housh?

    Anyway, as someone who has respect for Idzik's work, I am calling GoT guy out for his terrible rant, just as I would any fan that wrote all that. I just saw what he wrote because it was highlighted over on Shutdown Corner. I'm sure I could compile a few bad posts from Gang Green Nation and mock those too were I so inclined. :D


    I was glad to see him go personnaly, I thought he was cancer. BUT there were some upset about him going, some upset about eating his contract, some upset they bought his damn jersey.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:22 pm
  • Wilson does seem like he would have been a nice slot corner for us, but he was miscast as a #2 CB here.

    I am pretty sure we got KJ Wright or something with the pick we got back, though, so it's all good in retrospect.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:25 pm
  • Smelly McUgly wrote:On another note, the dude who writes the Game of Thrones books calling for John Idzik to be fired because of the Revis trade should stick to writing about fairies and magic pixie dust and stuff he actually knows about. Doofus.


    Dude stop. How dare you talk about GRR Martin like that. He's the reason that the best show on TV was created in the first place.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:32 pm
  • You'd think a writer as brilliant as GRRM would see that the Revis trade was a fantastic move by the Jets. He's probably too busy with more important things to follow football that close, so I understand.

    On topic: yes, it will probably play a factor. Though to be sure, Seattle's board isn't set in stone by mid-January. Bruce Irvin rose in a big way during the final month last year.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:38 pm
  • I'd be lying if I said this particular issue hasn't crossed my mind. Add to that Kiffen promising Dallas fans that his D is going to look like Seattle's.

    2010-2012 we had a unique player profile at several positions, like LEO and corner. Now we are seeing reports that corners under 6 feet are off some teams boards and we know two other teams want our type of player (I still don't know how much say Idzik has on personnel)
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:48 pm
  • I'd be surprised if Gus was kept in the loop on draft scouting back in January, but I can't profess to know Seattle's process. Idzik might be a bigger concern, I suppose, but I'm sure the board was far from settled before he left.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:05 pm
  • Smelly McUgly wrote:Wilson does seem like he would have been a nice slot corner for us, but he was miscast as a #2 CB here.

    I am pretty sure we got KJ Wright or something with the pick we got back, though, so it's all good in retrospect.

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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:19 pm
  • I think Idzik's input to the Jets board is huge but how much was he in the loop with the Seahawks scouts prior to them starting to put the big board together? I think he is hamstrung with the previous regime's scouting technique and rating system. I guess he could try to have the scouts convert over to his system or he can just follow the current process. Maybe he won't involve the coaches as much as they do here, or maybe he will want to involve them more. Just seems that he has a lot on his plate getting the Jets FO organized and finding a common language so he can make decisions. I will not say no impact/awareness of what Seattle is doing but Rex Ryan runs a different type of defense and offense. He has to at least try to give the HC players he can use. We will see.

    For Bradley, he knows the style of defense and offense he wants to run but it is Caldwell who has to organize his scouting staff and the brand new coaching staff. Bradley left right after the season was over so it depends on whether John Schneider and Pete are updating the coaches during the season on players the team could be targeting. Then, even if Bradley has a good idea of what they are doing as far as targets, Caldwell isn't going to let that totally guide him on making the selections would be my guess. This is his first run as a GM, so I think Bradley will not have a lot of sway. I could be wrong.

    So I guess the real question is how soon is the Big Board available for consumption by the team's FO prior to the coaches putting in input and the scouts along with the other FO types hashing through the rating systems? Idzik would have to know a lot more than Bradley is my guess and even not knowing the board has an idea of whom the Seahawks were starting to home in on.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:46 pm
  • The Idzik and Bradley factor will be big, but not the way meant. Going to be fun to see
    how the draft thought process works for both their teams.

    After seeing, and participating, in one of the fastest and best team rebuilds ever, it will be
    interesting to see how much of the Seattle template they apply to their new teams.

    Listening to some of Gus's interviews, there is little doubt who his influences are.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:03 pm
  • Based on what I heard recently from several GM sources is teams' boards were really only established about two to three weeks ago and they be tweaked up until tonight... so the last thing I'd be concerned about is Idzik and Bradley truly "knowing" Seattle's board.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:25 pm
  • Does knowing Seattles board even really matter, they need to pick for their teams, and last I checked they pick before us anyway, taking a player so we don't get him versus picking players that can help their own teams would be suicide.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:32 pm
  • onanygivensunday wrote:Based on what I heard recently from several GM sources is teams' boards were really only established about two to three weeks ago and they be tweaked up until tonight... so the last thing I'd be concerned about is Idzik and Bradley truly "knowing" Seattle's board.


    Yeah I did some research and found out that preliminary draft boards are put together in February. Fine tuned a bit after the combine in late February. I think Idzik would be aware of some of the top targets. Bradley I have no idea, but I suspect he was focused on the team rather than the draft.

    Like Scottie said above, it will be interesting to see if they (Idzik/Bradley) go after our style of players...and that goes league wide too. Taller corners, fast/athletic linebackers, athletic zone blocking type lineman, linebacker size strong safety, leo type linebackers/ends, big wide outs.

    Since we don't have a 1st rounder, I'm more interested in what type of players teams are taking early. Especially the Jets and Jags.

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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:49 am
  • therealjohncarlson wrote:
    Smelly McUgly wrote:On another note, the dude who writes the Game of Thrones books calling for John Idzik to be fired because of the Revis trade should stick to writing about fairies and magic pixie dust and stuff he actually knows about. Doofus.


    Dude stop. How dare you talk about GRR Martin like that. He's the reason that the best show on TV was created in the first place.



    Besides, GRRM should understand the decision to get rid of a fan favorite - he has no problem with it himself!
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:16 am
  • kearly wrote:...too busy with more important things to follow football that close...


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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:59 am
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    Besides, GRRM should understand the decision to get rid of a fan favorite - he has no problem with it himself!


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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:15 am
  • Non-Factor. If they were picking around 50 - 55, then it would matter, but they pick much earlier than Seattle to effect our board.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:36 am
  • Those teams have a lot of holes to fill and not nearly enough picks to fill them. We have a lot of picks and not a lot of room on the roster for rooks. Where some might see threats in New York and Jacksonville, I see willing trade partners.

    New York now has two first round picks and we have an ass load of mid to late rounders. Idzik just watched John Schneider fill out a roster to Super Bowl caliber in record time by finding diamonds in the mid to late rounds. I can actually see us trading back into the first for NY's 13th overall pick by sending our 4th, the two 5ths and some other miscellanious asset to NY in exchange. Either that or a trade of similar assets to Jacksonville for their early to mid round picks in future drafts. Hell, if I were John Schneider, I'd even go so far as to share my scouting info of those rounds to facillitate a trade! Not like I'm picking there anyway, so screw it.

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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:41 am
  • With how high the Jets and the Jaguars are picking, I don't see this affecting us as much as it could. Not this year. Maybe Jacksonville tries to leapfrog Seattle by trading from the early 3rd into the late second to take someone we might want, but I can also see Seattle going somewhat offensive heavy this draft which would negate some of the impact of other teams lifting the defensive players that fit our system.

    However, I can also see some of our upside players in the 4th and 5th rounds being taken before Seattle picks, too, but since, at that level, the picks are often like tickets in a lottery, I think Seattle will have options.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:55 am
  • chris98251 wrote:
    Smelly McUgly wrote:On another note, the dude who writes the Game of Thrones books calling for John Idzik to be fired because of the Revis trade should stick to writing about fairies and magic pixie dust and stuff he actually knows about. Doofus.



    GRRM does write GOT and some other books that are of that era, but his unheralded work is a lot of history writing. He is speaking as a fan, seen the quote.

    How many said our front office was crazy for letting Housh and Josh Wilson go for low rounders or just release? I think it turned out pretty well.


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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:02 am
  • What I'd like to see is to trade up for NY's 13 and take Sheldon Richardson, instead of letting the 9ers do this. Maybe our connection with Idzik could help. Although it would cost a ton of draft capital, I'd be ok trading Golden Tate as well.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:10 am
  • godawg wrote:What I'd like to see is to trade up for NY's 13 and take Sheldon Richardson, instead of letting the 9ers do this. Maybe our connection with Idzik could help. Although it would cost a ton of draft capital, I'd be ok trading Golden Tate as well.


    That trade up would probably be around two future first round picks. No thanks
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:12 am
  • Idzik's trade of Revis was the smartest move I have ever seen. (the trade for Harvin is pretty good too, tho)

    Revis, is elite. However, a corners value is over inflated. Playing 10% of your salary cap for a player that is not a QB or T, (and in some instances WR) is crazy.

    Revis is coming off a major injury and has been a malcontent his entire career.

    The Jets need to re-build their entire team. Best case scenerio, that takes 3-4 years of solid moves and good drafts. Given that infomation, their is no reason to keep a question mark that wants 12+ million a year who doesn't play a make-or-break position.

    To get the 13th pick for a player that might not play over half the games this year, plus a mid round pick next year is genius. And keep in mind they probably would have lost him to free agency next year anyways.

    New York fans might hate the move, but they are idiots, and don't understand the JS/ Ted Thompson way of team building.

    As to the question of draft boards, I don't think that their knowledge will make much of a difference given where they pick in the draft. Also, the Jets play a 3-4 Defense, so their pool of defensive players will be different then ours.

    The Jags have similiar needs, however, I don't believe Bradley would have been involved in the scouting while the season was going on (as he was busy actually coordinating the defence). So, will have limited knowlegde of the board.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:39 am
  • sainthawk29 wrote:New York fans might hate the move, but they are idiots, and don't understand the JS/ Ted Thompson way of team building.


    They'll learn... if they're lucky.

    Idzik will either turn those two first rounders into two immediate starters, or flip one (or both) for a pile of mid rounders that will make up the backbone of the team for years to come. Trading Revis was a great move and I applaud the balls it took for him to pull the trigger. If the Jets don't do anything too knee-jerk in the short term to undo it all, that could be looked back on as a defining moment in their rebuild.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:47 am
  • It surprised me that Idzik hadn't already dumped Tebow off the team, but then I found this, and it helped put it in perspective:

    http://www.denverpost.com/klis/ci_23020 ... -york-jets

    So, they're clearly shopping him, but that's a tough pill to swallow.

    Also, the fact the former GM didn't know about Tebow's advance salary puts his firing into perspective. That, and the whole signing Sanchez to megabucks thing.
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Re: John Idzik, Gus Bradley Factor
Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:54 am
  • Sarlacc83 wrote:It surprised me that Idzik hadn't already dumped Tebow off the team, but then I found this, and it helped put it in perspective:

    http://www.denverpost.com/klis/ci_23020 ... -york-jets

    So, they're clearly shopping him, but that's a tough pill to swallow.

    Also, the fact the former GM didn't know about Tebow's advance salary puts his firing into perspective. That, and the whole signing Sanchez to megabucks thing.


    Well, the Pete Carroll school of thought would be to treat that advanced salary as sunk money; it's never coming back and holding on to a shitty football player isn't going to make it come back (unless you're hoping to recoup that money in jersey sales to Tebow zelots). If he was here and he was causing problems with Pete's locker room, he'd be gone regardless of what he cost, and if there's no takers he'd get dumped (a'la Housh). Holding on to busted prospects like that based solely on what they cost to bring them in the door is the reason why bad teams stay bad.

    Too bad New York doesn't have an awesome owner like Paul Allen who understands such concepts...
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