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I heard this question discussed between Holmgren and Mitch. Holmy said its difficult if one of the RB's isn't returning kicks or producing on special teams.

I never thought of it this way. Do you see an issue? Is there any standard formula for the active 45 on gameday?


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I'm sure they will figure it out. They kind of HAVE to this season...you can't really have Turbin or Michael inactive.

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I'm sure they will figure it out. They kind of HAVE to this season...you can't really have Turbin or Michael inactive.


You lazy SOB, GlidingGreg. We cant make that assumption unless or until we see a standard chart for the 45 dressed on game day.

If he is active, do they force touches to him? And, wouldn't it telegraph the plays a bit? I love Michael, but he aint going in on a passing down, period. He cant block well enough.


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That's what I don't understand about the NFL and their rosters. Why have a 53 man roster if only 45 can suit up on game day? Then again, the way the league is going, since tackling isn't really allowed any more it will probably be a 30 man roster in like 5 years because no one will ever get injured.


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JMO but Michael is just as good/bad a blocker as Trubin. Both have had their good showing and both have had some ridiculously bad showings.

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I'd rather see them keep Beast fresh thru the year. Let Michael and Turbin get more carries this year, keep the fresh legs, and the change of pace etc.

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If keeping 3 RB's isn't the norm (unless a Leon Washington situation), who/what does Michael replace? A OL'men? A DB? A LB?


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I'm sure they will figure it out. They kind of HAVE to this season...you can't really have Turbin or Michael inactive.


You lazy SOB, GlidingGreg. We cant make that assumption unless or until we see a standard chart for the 45 dressed on game day.

If he is active, do they force touches to him? And, wouldn't it telegraph the plays a bit? I love Michael, but he aint going in on a passing down, period. He cant block well enough.


No, I'm making you do the work. What's your answer?

It's actually an easy assumption to make. Why in the world would they not have both Turbin and Michael active?

I hate convention, and so does Pete and this staff. Remember - "you can't have a 6-4 guy playing cornerback", "you can't start a 5-10 QB", etc..

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All 3 will be active on game day as will Robinson


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All 3 will be active on game day as will Robinson

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I'd expect to see Michael in there ruturning kicks and a heavy dose of Bobby Turbo on special teams.

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That's what I don't understand about the NFL and their rosters. Why have a 53 man roster if only 45 can suit up on game day? Then again, the way the league is going, since tackling isn't really allowed any more it will probably be a 30 man roster in like 5 years because no one will ever get injured.


I think the general idea is that the inactive list each week is the way to keep banged up players on the 53 without placing them on IR and losing them for the season. Then every team has the same number of active players each week, regardless of injuries. It does seem like a weird rule though.

I thought I read something that the 3rd QB rule was removed a couple years ago and the active list was increased to 46? I'm certainly no expert at NFL roster rules so I could very well be wrong.


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I heard this question discussed between Holmgren and Mitch. Holmy said its difficult if one of the RB's isn't returning kicks or producing on special teams.

I never thought of it this way. Do you see an issue? Is there any standard formula for the active 45 on gameday?


I think this question is interesting too: What position would we be adding to on gameday to replace the loss of Washington?

If Washington is not there on gameday anymore, and we normally had 3 active RBs, which position would they be adding a spot to now?

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I heard this question discussed between Holmgren and Mitch. Holmy said its difficult if one of the RB's isn't returning kicks or producing on special teams.

I never thought of it this way. Do you see an issue? Is there any standard formula for the active 45 on gameday?


I think this question is interesting too: What position would we be adding to on gameday to replace the loss of Washington?

If Washington is not there on gameday anymore, and we normally had 3 active RBs, which position would they be adding a spot to now?


Okay, that makes sense.


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I heard this question discussed between Holmgren and Mitch. Holmy said its difficult if one of the RB's isn't returning kicks or producing on special teams.

I never thought of it this way. Do you see an issue? Is there any standard formula for the active 45 on gameday?


I think this question is interesting too: What position would we be adding to on gameday to replace the loss of Washington?

If Washington is not there on gameday anymore, and we normally had 3 active RBs, which position would they be adding a spot to now?


Okay, that makes sense.


I think it just depends on if another position player will provide significantly better special teams coverage than what Michael or Turbin can do.

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I'd rather see them keep Beast fresh thru the year. Let Michael and Turbin get more carries this year, keep the fresh legs, and the change of pace etc.

Every Lynch owner in FF will want to kill you with that remark. LOL. However, as a Hawk fan and NOT having Beast on any of my fantasy teams, I agree with this. I want him strong for the playoffs.


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I believe the Saints have had 3 active RBs without any being a KR/PR. Always wondered what they sacrificed to have that luxury, but maybe they didn't have a FB (though that seems wrong, since Heath Evans was there back when they came here in 2010 for the playoffs). Maybe LBs or DBs took the hit?

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I hear ya, when he played in that Atlanta game, although he got was was supposed to be the winning TD etc. he looked very tired.

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The Hawks did have three active all last year, Lynch, Turbin and Washington.


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The Hawks did have three active all last year, Lynch, Turbin and Washington.


Yep, but the crux of this discussion is that Washington played special teams.

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Sherman Smith said, unequivocally, that Christine Michael will have to learn to play special teams if he wants to play. He was on with Softy last week and these were his words. Take them for what you will.


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The only way could have seen his being active all games was if they kept Konz as one of the TEs. He is an excellent special teams guy ; not an acceptable risk IMO with Zack's health concerns


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Sherman Smith said, unequivocally, that Christine Michael will have to learn to play special teams if he wants to play. He was on with Softy last week and these were his words. Take them for what you will.


Yep, he sure did.

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I've heard he's a fumbler. I haven't seen it with my own eyes, but that's his rep. So, its doubtful he's at KR to start the season.

Hopefully he can block.


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I've heard he's a fumbler. I haven't seen it with my own eyes, but that's his rep. So, its doubtful he's at KR to start the season.

Hopefully he can block.


The one time I went to training camp in early August EVERY single kick/punt to Michael he fumbled. And that following game against the Chargers, the only time I saw him take a kickoff (he might have gotten more I don't remember) he fumbled that too but luckily he was in the end zone and downed it.

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I've heard he's a fumbler. I haven't seen it with my own eyes, but that's his rep. So, its doubtful he's at KR to start the season.

Hopefully he can block.


The one time I went to training camp in early August EVERY single kick/punt to Michael he fumbled. And that following game against the Chargers, the only time I saw him take a kickoff (he might have gotten more I don't remember) he fumbled that too but luckily he was in the end zone and downed it.


If you were a Navy or Army man, I wouldn't believe you. But, you're not, so that solves that.

Hope he's a good "mid-fielder" in KR formations then.


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Sherman Smith said, unequivocally, that Christine Michael will have to learn to play special teams if he wants to play. He was on with Softy last week and these were his words. Take them for what you will.


This is what he said:

"It's going to be tough! It's hard to use three tailbacks. You've got Marshawn, you've got Turbo - it's hard to play two, let alone three - so I don't know how that'll work out. I don't know if you go into the game with three active tailbacks. So, we just have to decide how that works out for us. It's going to be tough to get him in there - it's tough to get reps with Marshawn and Turbo [in front of you]."

[source: http://www.fieldgulls.com/on-the-airwav ... e-airwaves ]

That actually doesn't sound unequivocal at all to me. Also, Carroll said this week that Michael is battling Turbin for the #2 spot.

Regardless, I will be shocked if Michael doesn't suit up. Also, if they don't figure out how to get his RB combine record 43 inch vertical and super elite 3 cone and shuttle some touches during games, they've lost their darn minds.


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This is the easiest dilemma we will ever solve.

Does Pete use more starters on specials than almost any other team you have ever seen? Earl, Sherm, Browner, Robinson, etc...

Did Holmgren like using his very best players on specials? Nope.

Holmgren is talking about specials in a far different way than Pete. Starters, even stars, are not exempt from specials with Pete. Thus reducing the need for Turbin or Chronic Mike to be on specials.

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Sherman Smith said, unequivocally, that Christine Michael will have to learn to play special teams if he wants to play. He was on with Softy last week and these were his words. Take them for what you will.


This is what he said:

"It's going to be tough! It's hard to use three tailbacks. You've got Marshawn, you've got Turbo - it's hard to play two, let alone three - so I don't know how that'll work out. I don't know if you go into the game with three active tailbacks. So, we just have to decide how that works out for us. It's going to be tough to get him in there - it's tough to get reps with Marshawn and Turbo [in front of you]."

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That actually doesn't sound unequivocal at all to me. Also, Carroll said this week that Michael is battling Turbin for the #2 spot.

Regardless, I will be shocked if Michael doesn't suit up. Also, if they don't figure out how to get his RB combine record 43 inch vertical and super elite 3 cone and shuttle some touches during games, they've lost their darn minds.

I'm not sure if you read the entire article. From the very next paragraph:
"On the kickoff role for Christine Michael:

Well it's still up for grabs right now. You saw what happened last week with Jermaine Kearse. Jermaine Kearse is saying 'I want to be the returner'. You know, so we've got a couple guys back there that can do it, so Christine has to become a special teams player in order to be active on Sunday, and Turbo plays special teams. Marshawn is the only guy in our room that doesn't play special teams. If he becomes a starter, then he doesn't have to worry about that."

If you don't think that's unequivocal, then I'm not sure what is.


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Special teams is a dangerous part of the game that's why I love the multiple kick/ punt returners the hawks are using right now


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Its not that big of an issue.They can keep 3 Rbs and have Kearse return kicks if Michaels doesnt fit the bill.He is too talented to leave off the active list.They kept 3 last year and its really kind of irrelevant if he returns kicks or not IMO.


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Last season Seattle had 4 RBs who were active on game days and I'm not expecting that to change. I think they made the ST comments with regards to Michael to help motivate him, though it's possible that they are also trying to set the stage for keeping Turbin as the #2 back.

If for argument's sake Michael does not get activated on week 1, then I think that's more about sending a message to Michael than anything else. He's clearly the future after Lynch, if he stays healthy and continues to hold onto the football.


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Michael doesn't have to be a deep back he can be an up back on kickoffs, as far as punts and Field goals he can be outside contain and the guy that takes the edge rusher which is typically a CB or someone of that size. Lots of things he can do.

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Looking at numbers for the 45-man active roster, the LBs or DL have to take the numbers hit to have Michael active. Right now I am over by 1 if a 3 RB plays. Which position group loses a player?

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5TECH...........- 1
LEO.............- 1
3TECH...........- 2
1TECH...........- 2
LB..............- 5
CB..............- 6   
FS..............- 2
SS..............- 2
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RB..............- 2/3
TE..............- 3
FB..............- 1
WR..............- 5
OT..............- 3
OG..............- 3
C...............- 2
QB..............- 2
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KICKER..........- 1
PUNTER..........- 1
LS..............- 1
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I guess you could sit Lane or Maxwell or whomever the 5th LB is besides Farwell, who will be the 4th LB (ST) if he makes the squad. Morgan is your other LB (ST), or substitute Bradford for Farwell.

You could also only dress 4 WRs. No way you go less than 3 TEs, though maybe that is the other position you sacrifice?

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Looking at numbers for the 45-man active roster, the LBs or DL have to take the numbers hit to have Michael active. Right now I am over by 1 if a 3 RB plays. Which position group loses a player?

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5TECH...........- 1
LEO.............- 1
3TECH...........- 2
1TECH...........- 2
LB..............- 5
CB..............- 6   
FS..............- 2
SS..............- 2
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RB..............- 2/3
TE..............- 3
FB..............- 1
WR..............- 5
OT..............- 3
OG..............- 3
C...............- 2
QB..............- 2
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KICKER..........- 1
PUNTER..........- 1
LS..............- 1
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How old is that computer you're using Doc?

Would you like to play a game Professor Falken?


It has that fancy CGA card in it. Cannot wait to get me that new fangle PS/2. I know you boys are jealous.

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