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getnasty":2kcagcid said:
That was a 4th down play, after they had failed to run it in starting at 6th and goal, and they had Richardson on the field because he was the short yardage back. Couldn't get it done and no time outs. Poor clock management by a young QB was the biggest factor to the lambs not getting to the endzone.
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Looking at this from the glass half full angle, if this hire is part of Pete's bigger picture of getting back to strong running game, solid D, and special teams 3 of the 4 teams in the final 4 this Sunday seem to follow that model. To compliment that we have a QB who is one of the better ones in the league to hit big plays in the passing game.
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TruHawkFan9.0":2pybsden said:
This is True.
SoulfishHawk
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And to be fair to the guy, he's never had a QB like Wilson. And a lot of his starting guys were injured. Not like he had much to work with. I look forward to him proving people wrong.
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Twitter is a buzz about Defilip getting named the Arizona HC. That would make sense why he was not an option then.
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HawkRiderFan":1mxe02ac said:
After watching the Playoffs so far this year......a running game is essential! No running game....no Playoffs! Let's hope that we can see 100-200 yards running per game this year.
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Sometimes it’s more about how coaches and players mesh. You’ll take a fighter coming into the pros and is struggling in spite of obvious talent, then you see that same fighter change coaches and all of a sudden that magic connections happens and he’s unstoppable.
The same holds true in pro football. Pete Carroll is a classic example of that. Whoever ends up as our new OC and coach will be hired based on the Seahawks hierarchy’s belief that they will bring that “thing” whatever it is to the field and into our game.
I don’t know if Bevvell’s or Tom’s departures are a good thing or not. I do know that whatever connections they had with the players were not what they once were, when the players bought in and the results didn’t materialize for them. Once your players start to doubt your abilities and judgement it’s not easily reearned, and change becomes necessary, if for no other reason than to help the players recapture their confidence in their coaches and play callers.
Pete is an infectious personality that permeates a team to its core on both sides of the line and in the fans as well for that matter. When Pete came to the Emerald City, he breathed new life into the Seahawks and gave all of us the ability to believe that everything was possible, and delivered. I’m nearly 61 years old, with a family history of men dying early, 40s and 50s, I have been a Seahawks fan since there was a Seahawks team, but I was starting to think that I’d be a deadman before I ever saw the Seahawks Win a Super Bowl. He took us there twice and brought it home once. I still think Pete and the Seahawks have a couple more Super Bowls in them.
It’s going to require putting the right pieces in the right places right now, and I trust that Pete and the higher ups are going to try to pick the right people to fill these openings, and give their team the best possible chance they can to get that accomplished. In reading thru the forum there is no perfect choices, whoever they choose there will be those who praise their insights and those who will criticize those same choices. I guess only time will tell. The changes are only starting in Seattle.
Go Seahawks!
The same holds true in pro football. Pete Carroll is a classic example of that. Whoever ends up as our new OC and coach will be hired based on the Seahawks hierarchy’s belief that they will bring that “thing” whatever it is to the field and into our game.
I don’t know if Bevvell’s or Tom’s departures are a good thing or not. I do know that whatever connections they had with the players were not what they once were, when the players bought in and the results didn’t materialize for them. Once your players start to doubt your abilities and judgement it’s not easily reearned, and change becomes necessary, if for no other reason than to help the players recapture their confidence in their coaches and play callers.
Pete is an infectious personality that permeates a team to its core on both sides of the line and in the fans as well for that matter. When Pete came to the Emerald City, he breathed new life into the Seahawks and gave all of us the ability to believe that everything was possible, and delivered. I’m nearly 61 years old, with a family history of men dying early, 40s and 50s, I have been a Seahawks fan since there was a Seahawks team, but I was starting to think that I’d be a deadman before I ever saw the Seahawks Win a Super Bowl. He took us there twice and brought it home once. I still think Pete and the Seahawks have a couple more Super Bowls in them.
It’s going to require putting the right pieces in the right places right now, and I trust that Pete and the higher ups are going to try to pick the right people to fill these openings, and give their team the best possible chance they can to get that accomplished. In reading thru the forum there is no perfect choices, whoever they choose there will be those who praise their insights and those who will criticize those same choices. I guess only time will tell. The changes are only starting in Seattle.
Go Seahawks!
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Hawkscanner":3csn0p96 said:
You don't think ten touchdowns fit what the offense wants to do moving forward?
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MontanaHawk05":202yd4l7 said:
That is an exaggeration. 10 was his high in 3 years here. He has averaged 6 TD's per year here, pretty pedestrian for a $10M receiver. We could do far better with the $$. Smashmouth physical football and Jimmy Graham do not belong in the same sentence.
Fact: We were a better team without Jimmy Graham.
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SoulfishHawk":24nyiwu2 said:
He also probably had no interest in running Pete Carroll's philosophy 100% of the time. He is probably looking for a place he can be creative and implement ideas.
Also, if he doesn't get a HC job this year, he is likely looking for a one-year stepping stone location to that. Seattle is a terrible place to do that this year. They have way too many issues on Offense, especially with the O-line, to fix in one year.
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I don't know about that; making Mark Sanchez look like a mediocre QB might qualify as brilliant. I'd love to hear your counterargument to that statement.Tusc2000":3niz8gtp said:
Mark Sanchez's stats dropped off noticeably in his last year with the Jets, and he never got better. Schotty left in 2011, and Sanchez's last year with the Jets was 2012.
Just sayin'. Not any big proof of anything, but perhaps a little suggestive.
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RolandDeschain":1ue186eu said:I don't know about that; making Mark Sanchez look like a mediocre QB might qualify as brilliant. I'd love to hear your counterargument to that statement.Tusc2000":1ue186eu said:
Mark Sanchez's stats dropped off noticeably in his last year with the Jets, and he never got better. Schotty left in 2011, and Sanchez's last year with the Jets was 2012.
Just sayin'. Not any big proof of anything, but perhaps a little suggestive.
I'm intrigued to see what he can do with some superb talent and an OL coach worth their salt.
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Sox-n-Hawks":1pham60z said:RolandDeschain":1pham60z said:I don't know about that; making Mark Sanchez look like a mediocre QB might qualify as brilliant. I'd love to hear your counterargument to that statement.Tusc2000":1pham60z said:
Mark Sanchez's stats dropped off noticeably in his last year with the Jets, and he never got better. Schotty left in 2011, and Sanchez's last year with the Jets was 2012.
Just sayin'. Not any big proof of anything, but perhaps a little suggestive.
I'm intrigued to see what he can do with some superb talent and an OL coach worth their salt.
He had one of the best Oline coaches in the NFL from the past 20 years when he was with the Jets. So fingers crossed.
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I'm pulling for the guy big time. Especially since so many people assume he will suck. Give him a chance.
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I hope this works.
Not sure it looks good though.
So the read is that Pete wants to commit to a strong running game? A physical running game?
And it makes sense, with defenses getting lighter and faster to get to the QB quicker, a physical run game is a great strategy.
But, our best players on offense are in the passing game. Our worst players on offense are in the run game.
We MIGHT have something close to an above average back in Carson. IF he is healthy and can stay healthy.
For the most part, we seem to have a pretty middling stable of RBs (again, in one of the best drafts in YEARS for RB and Secondary, we drafted a DT in the first round. SMH. A worthless DT at that.) So we will focus on getting this stable of absolutely average, not even remotely impressive players the ball? Good luck with that winning strategy.
It strikes me as close to terminally stupid to literally focus your offensive strategy on leveraging your greatest weakness and limiting the contributions of your greatest strength.
Then again, Pete was kind of known for squandering talent at USC, seems unable to adapt & change, and this is what looks like another example of this.
Generally, great coaches adjust their strategies to take advantage of their strengths and exploit the opponent weaknesses. The Patriots are the Lords of this, we continually seem to be committed to a strategy regardless of personnel or opponent. Not really a great way to expect a solid outcome...
But I REALLY REALLY hope to be wrong.
Not sure it looks good though.
So the read is that Pete wants to commit to a strong running game? A physical running game?
And it makes sense, with defenses getting lighter and faster to get to the QB quicker, a physical run game is a great strategy.
But, our best players on offense are in the passing game. Our worst players on offense are in the run game.
We MIGHT have something close to an above average back in Carson. IF he is healthy and can stay healthy.
For the most part, we seem to have a pretty middling stable of RBs (again, in one of the best drafts in YEARS for RB and Secondary, we drafted a DT in the first round. SMH. A worthless DT at that.) So we will focus on getting this stable of absolutely average, not even remotely impressive players the ball? Good luck with that winning strategy.
It strikes me as close to terminally stupid to literally focus your offensive strategy on leveraging your greatest weakness and limiting the contributions of your greatest strength.
Then again, Pete was kind of known for squandering talent at USC, seems unable to adapt & change, and this is what looks like another example of this.
Generally, great coaches adjust their strategies to take advantage of their strengths and exploit the opponent weaknesses. The Patriots are the Lords of this, we continually seem to be committed to a strategy regardless of personnel or opponent. Not really a great way to expect a solid outcome...
But I REALLY REALLY hope to be wrong.
RolandDeschain":3ovwrowk said:I don't know about that; making Mark Sanchez look like a mediocre QB might qualify as brilliant. I'd love to hear your counterargument to that statement.Tusc2000":3ovwrowk said:
Mark Sanchez's stats dropped off noticeably in his last year with the Jets, and he never got better. Schotty left in 2011, and Sanchez's last year with the Jets was 2012.
Just sayin'. Not any big proof of anything, but perhaps a little suggestive.
Sanchez had 32 total TDs in 2011! 26 passing and 6 rushing. That's more than Matt Hasselbeck had in any of his seasons here.
Granted he threw 18 interceptions whereas never tossed more than 15 until Jim Mora came along, but if Scottenheimer can get 32 TDs out of Sanchez then surely he can - I don't know - double that with Russ??
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TwistedHusky":9zxmx2k7 said:
That is by far the #1 reason it was so frustrating watch this team the last 2 years. I personally do not think canning Bevell will change this much, but hope I'm wrong there. If this continues, and we are forced to watch shitball 1/2 game each week again, I will be going straight after Pete and passing on the Shotty criticism myself.
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HHawk121":ewpyz1nk said:
Can you provide some evidence of this please? I don't see that AT ALL. The guy has coached 2 Pro Bowl skill players in 9 years, and that was in the same year. TWO. Brett Favre and Thomas Jones. Favre had 22 TDs and 22 INTs that season, not even Pro Bowl-worthy. The very next season after leaving Schottenheimer, Favre had 33 TDs and 7 INTs (with...uh... Darrell Bevell).
Schottenheimer had plenty of 1st round talent to work with: Thomas Jones (continued the same level of play he had in Chicago), Sanchez (never developed), Braylon Edwards (NY's #1 WR at the time, didn't have more than 53 catches), Santonio Holmes (every year under Schottenheimer was worse than his 4 years in PIT), Dustin Keller (Schottenheimer's greatest success, 4 good years), Steven Jackson (scored the fewest TDs of his Rams career with Schottenheimer), Kenny Britt (had a 1000 yard season the year after Schottenheimer left), and the end of careers for Tomlinson and Burress.
And his Offenses were in the Top 15 one time. I see a lot of talented players that he didn't get much out of.
So he wasted talented players (as you claim Bevell did), except for Jones and Keller. Exactly what undertalented players has he elevated?
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Can we go get Todd Haley???
