As of now is RW top 5 QB?

IndyHawk · Mar 21, 2018

Leading in TD passes means nothing to me..
Had we had a running game..You figure just under half of those passes turn into
running TD's and that leaves him about 18-20 TD passes at best and then we
wouldn't be having these silly comments on how great he did when it is just not
true..Take away the 4th qtr when it is easier to pile stats with no huddle/shotgun
against soft zone D..What did he really do?
That said he is a durable player who wants to win bad so I would not want anyone
else in the 4th but in the 1st and 2nd Qtr I could go with a few if I'm using the last
two seasons..

hawknation2018 · Mar 21, 2018

The Seahawks appear to be at an inflection point in the Pete Carroll era after missing the playoffs, and they face many difficult personnel decisions in the offseason. However, they still have a top-flight franchise quarterback in place with Wilson, which will keep the margin for error wider than that of most organizations. Wilson is coming off one of his best seasons and had to shoulder an inordinate amount of the load for an offense that couldn't pass-protect or run the ball with routine success. His chaotic and improvisational style of play can, at times, create issues for the scoring attack, but Wilson remains one of the league's best passers. He finished with a top-three passer rating on tight-window throws for the second straight year, following up his 83.9 in 2016 with a 74.4 this past season.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/seah ... 611464.php

original poster · Mar 21, 2018

IndyHawk":33s0q45z said:
original poster":33s0q45z said:

hawkman":33s0q45z said:

MD5eahawks":33s0q45z said:

I really don't get the questioning of Russell Wilson. My god, what does he have to do!?!?

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Having the ability to throw consistently to the middle of the field would be a great start. Moving up in the pocket and throwing the ball would be cool to.

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Yeah he absolutely sucks throwing to the middle of the field... :roll:

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OP..Love how you come up with these charts and this one certainly has good flash to it.
I'm just curious if we could get the number of passes on it?
I believe the middle will be a pretty low number but should be used much more.

Thank you sir.

Give me 10 minutes and I will add up the routes in the middle of the field.

original poster · Mar 21, 2018

hawkman":2aqdvqsr said:
original poster":2aqdvqsr said:

hawkman":2aqdvqsr said:

MD5eahawks":2aqdvqsr said:

I really don't get the questioning of Russell Wilson. My god, what does he have to do!?!?

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Having the ability to throw consistently to the middle of the field would be a great start. Moving up in the pocket and throwing the ball would be cool to.

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Yeah he absolutely sucks throwing to the middle of the field... :roll:

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Watch the all 22 tape. There have consistently been guys open in the middle the last two two years, but the ball rarely goes to that part of the field. Cherry picking stats doesn’t change what the tape clearly shows.

You have officially been proven wrong (again).

Incase you cannot understand the numbers I shall confirm -

To the left hand side between the LOS and 10 yards forward - 69 completions
To the middle between the LOS and 10 yards forward - 62 completions
To the right hand side between the LOS and 10 yards forward - 79 completions

To the left hand side, between 10 and 20 yards of the LOS - 25 completions
To the middle, between 10 and 20 yards of the LOS - 22 completions
To the right hand side, between 10 and 20 yards of the LOS - 26 completions

To the left hand side, 21 yards or more from the LOS - 15 completions
To the middle, 21 yards or more from the LOS - 3 completions
To the right hand side, 21 yards or more from the LOS - 6 completions

So quite clearly, when you say "the ball rarely goes to that part of the field" has been proven to be total nonsense.

Also, I am more than happy to continue making your posts look stupid and factually incorrect, just carry on as you are.

*microphone drops on the floor*

hawknation2018 · Mar 21, 2018

original poster":2vkjm962 said:
IndyHawk":2vkjm962 said:

original poster":2vkjm962 said:

hawkman":2vkjm962 said:

Having the ability to throw consistently to the middle of the field would be a great start. Moving up in the pocket and throwing the ball would be cool to.

Click to expand...

Yeah he absolutely sucks throwing to the middle of the field... :roll:

Click to expand...

OP..Love how you come up with these charts and this one certainly has good flash to it.
I'm just curious if we could get the number of passes on it?
I believe the middle will be a pretty low number but should be used much more.

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Thank you sir.

Give me 10 minutes and I will add up the routes in the middle of the field.

An underused strength in QB rating? Add it to the laundry list of reasons for a new OC. :179419:

original poster · Mar 21, 2018

Also, just incase you try and argue there were lots of incomplete passes in the middle of the field, there weren't.

7 incompletions 21 yards or more from the LOS in the middle
4 incompletions 10 to 20 yards from the LOS in the middle
4 incompletions from the LOS to 10 yards out in the middle

hawknation2018 · Mar 21, 2018

original poster":ayx2ypbu said:
Also, just incase you try and argue there were lots of incomplete passes in the middle of the field, there weren't.

7 incompletions 21 yards or more from the LOS in the middle
4 incompletions 10 to 20 yards from the LOS in the middle
4 incompletions from the LOS to 10 yards out in the middle

Math . . . one of nature's most beautiful facts.

SoulfishHawk · Mar 21, 2018

And how many guys are forced to throw the ball away compared to Russ? He not only is running around because of a pathetic O Line, but it's not like our WR's get open all the time. And when you're about to get crushed, you gotta' throw it away. His completion percentage could be a hell of a lot higher w/out a doubt. As far as the passes over the middle, just someone who doesn't like the guy making crap up.

original poster · Mar 21, 2018

Here's some more passer rating stats for Russ.

The thing that his game would benefit most from is his efficiency on 3rd down. It's the only area where he is below league average.

Lets hope teams keep blitzing on him, though. He absolutely excels.

MD5eahawks · Mar 21, 2018

One thing that gets forgotten is the unknown factor of impact that Cable, Bevell, and an extremely below average o-line had on the perception of his performance.

I am really looking forward to seeing how a new coaching staff changes (or not) Russ and the offense. We will at least be able to have a comparison in line for what was and what is.

hawkman · Mar 21, 2018

original poster":11dkbdtt said:
hawkman":11dkbdtt said:

original poster":11dkbdtt said:

hawkman":11dkbdtt said:

Having the ability to throw consistently to the middle of the field would be a great start. Moving up in the pocket and throwing the ball would be cool to.

Click to expand...

Yeah he absolutely sucks throwing to the middle of the field... :roll:

Click to expand...

Watch the all 22 tape. There have consistently been guys open in the middle the last two two years, but the ball rarely goes to that part of the field. Cherry picking stats doesn’t change what the tape clearly shows.

Click to expand...

You have officially been proven wrong (again).

Incase you cannot understand the numbers I shall confirm -

To the left hand side between the LOS and 10 yards forward - 69 completions
To the middle between the LOS and 10 yards forward - 62 completions
To the right hand side between the LOS and 10 yards forward - 79 completions

To the left hand side, between 10 and 20 yards of the LOS - 25 completions
To the middle, between 10 and 20 yards of the LOS - 22 completions
To the right hand side, between 10 and 20 yards of the LOS - 26 completions

To the left hand side, 21 yards or more from the LOS - 15 completions
To the middle, 21 yards or more from the LOS - 3 completions
To the right hand side, 21 yards or more from the LOS - 6 completions

So quite clearly, when you say "the ball rarely goes to that part of the field" has been proven to be total nonsense.

Also, I am more than happy to continue making your posts look stupid and factually incorrect, just carry on as you are.

*microphone drops on the floor*

Thanks for proving my point! 87 out of 298 passed is not a good ratio at all. Way under utilizing a very productive part of the field.

original poster · Mar 21, 2018

What is a good ratio Hawkman?

hawkman · Mar 21, 2018

original poster":3gnteg8l said:
What is a good ratio Hawkman?

Well over 1/3

original poster · Mar 21, 2018

hawkman":18wbkxc2 said:
original poster":18wbkxc2 said:

What is a good ratio Hawkman?

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Well over 1/3

That's quite vague.

What do you have to back this up?

hawkman · Mar 21, 2018

original poster":2nglre5e said:
hawkman":2nglre5e said:

original poster":2nglre5e said:

What is a good ratio Hawkman?

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Well over 1/3

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That's quite vague.

What do you have to back this up?

Thought that was pretty basic common knowledge. Do your little chart on guys like Brady, Rivers, Big Ben, Rogers, or any of the other top guys and you will see the difference.

And I will even be grown up enough and not brag how I proved you wrong like you did to me when you thought (falsely) you made a point.

SoulfishHawk · Mar 21, 2018

He has nothing to back it up. Just blind hatred for Russ. :roll:

original poster · Mar 21, 2018

hawkman":2qlcywo9 said:
original poster":2qlcywo9 said:

hawkman":2qlcywo9 said:

original poster":2qlcywo9 said:

What is a good ratio Hawkman?

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Well over 1/3

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That's quite vague.

What do you have to back this up?

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Thought that was pretty basic common knowledge. Do your little chart on guys like Brady, Rivers, Big Ben, Rogers, or any of the other top guys and you will see the difference.

And I will even be grown up enough and not brag how I proved you wrong like you did to me when you thought (falsely) you made a point.

Brady - EDIT 101, or 26.2% of all his completions.
Big Ben - 104, or 28.8% of all his completions.

Well over a third you say?

hawkman · Mar 21, 2018

original poster":3sklmxxo said:
hawkman":3sklmxxo said:

original poster":3sklmxxo said:

hawkman":3sklmxxo said:

Well over 1/3

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That's quite vague.

What do you have to back this up?

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Thought that was pretty basic common knowledge. Do your little chart on guys like Brady, Rivers, Big Ben, Rogers, or any of the other top guys and you will see the difference.

And I will even be grown up enough and not brag how I proved you wrong like you did to me when you thought (falsely) you made a point.

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Brady - EDIT 101 for Brady, or 26.2% of all his passes.

Well over a third you say?

Where are you getting this? In 2017 Brady completed 135 passes to the middle of the field beyond the los. Yes well over 1/3. I get you wanting to prove a point, but be honest.

For anyone else that wants to count them up here you go https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/pla ... 156/season

original poster · Mar 21, 2018

Even if it is 135 (and I don't dispute it isn't, it may well be), that is 35% so my point remains.

"Well over a third" is once again, inaccurate.

I'm not going to carry on feeding your posts, though.

hawkman · Mar 21, 2018

original poster":xp76pct3 said:
Even if it is 135 (and I don't dispute it isn't, it may well be), that is 35% so my point remains.

"Well over a third" is once again, inaccurate.

I'm not going to carry on feeding your posts, though.

Oh I see how you did that edit after you had 54 completions for Brady :roll: Your not feeding my posts, but when you continue to post things so factually wrong I will point it out. Oh and it is weak sauce to edit after the fact so you don’t look as wrong.

As of now is RW top 5 QB?

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