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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:00 am
  • Maybe he wants out of Seattle. Way too many injuries too be coincidence and bad luck. He will probably go to the Patriots.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:36 pm
  • I heard someone somewhere, it's not important, say that Prosise should get some game time this weekend and I believe this is his last go-round. I also believe that he's gonna have a good solid game, near what the Quim had last week, free from injury.

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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:01 pm
  • Rocket wrote:I heard someone somewhere, it's not important, say that Prosise should get some game time this weekend and I believe this is his last go-round. I also believe that he's gonna have a good solid game, near what the Quim had last week, free from injury.

    Viva Prosise

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    He will be announced injured come game time with a chipped toenail. Out for two weeks.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:44 pm
  • Oh ye of little faith.
    Journalism is dead, it's been replaced by creative writing aka fake news.
    Critical thinking is pretty much dead too. I miss the hearsay rule.
    The concept of "ethic" has been stripped from the Journalism curriculum.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:46 pm
  • We all wait to see. Talent unrealized is talent wasted.

    Then the injury of the week, month, or year is announced and Prosise re-attends and sets new personal attendance records at the trainer's rooms at the VMac. This story is becoming tiresome.

    At some point or another patience becomes exhausted, and for the player that time is close to being done for him here.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:07 pm
  • Jimjones0384 wrote:
    Even Bob has the same thought, zero reason to get rid of him now

    Bob Condotta (@bcondotta) Tweeted:
    I get this an awful lot about Prosise. One more time, there is zero reason to cut a potentially impactful player and resource at this point since the roster does not have to be cut until after the final preseason game. https://t.co/tRjISXnkBm https://twitter.com/bcondotta/status/10 ... 98560?s=17


    I'm on the get rid of him bandwagon so I obviously have a different opinion from Bob. But his statement is clearly based just on cap implications. He's not thinking about any intangible reasons. Now, maybe the intangible reasons do not warrant cutting him, but that's different than saying zero reason.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:36 pm
  • I'm holding on to him, he's cheap, in a contract year and if he ever gets healthy look what he did in that New England game, he looked like the best player on the field. If it comes down to Mike Davis or Procise it's Procise all day, you can find Mike Davis anywhere, I would even go Procise over Mckissic.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:21 am
  • I think he’s gone if he misses any further time. “If he ever gets healthy” was in part the reason why Percy Harvin was kept around until he became a distraction. Thing is, are other players actually outperforming him and is the statistically low reliability achieved by keeping Prosise over a more dependable option?

    They, each of Prosise, Davis, and McKissic, are all now just depth players on the roster and need to be available when needed. Prosise is demonstrably rarely available and thus not as useful as the others who may not quite be as talented as he is but are still almost as capable but who are always available to compete.

    If always compete means anything, Prosise is not competing b/c of his unreliability of availability. His roster spot is very tenuous, the team has other players who are able to do his job quite creditably. There is no reason to cut him now but he will be very nervous when the final cuts are made this year. He’s never been able to hold a spot on the depth chart due to injury since being here despite what he has rarely shown on the field. At present he can’t be higher than 5th on the DC behind Carson, Penny, Davis, and McKissic. The injury to Penny may help Prosise but to me it makes Davis more valuable.

    There are lots of stories similar to his in the NFL, only a few ever amount to much of anything when they can’t stay healthy. It’s unfortunate and most likely if released he will get chances elsewhere and may just become a dependable situational option or maybe he will change position but other teams will have much less patience for him than he has been shown here.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:14 pm
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:18 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:



    We still have walk thru and stretching before the game.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:23 pm
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    We still have walk thru and stretching before the game.



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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:06 pm
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    They say before he spontaneously combusts.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:04 pm
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    hawknation2018 wrote:



    We still have walk thru and stretching before the game.


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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:45 pm
  • getnasty wrote:I'm holding on to him, he's cheap, in a contract year and if he ever gets healthy look what he did in that New England game, he looked like the best player on the field...I would even go Procise over Mckissic.


    2017: McKissic: 13 games 46 car 187 yards 4.1 avg, 1 TD, 34 rec 266 yards 2 TD (453 total yards, 3 TD); 1 KR 22 yards

    2017: Prosise: 5 games, 11 car 21 yards 2.1 avg, 6 rec 87 yards (108 total yards, 0 TD)... 1 career TD

    Why have folks forgotten that Prosise absolutely sucked last year when he did play? And don't blame the line-Carson and McKissic dealt with the exact same garbage OL and produced.

    I could give a rat's ass about Prosise's 1 nice game 2 years ago. McKissic contributes, works his tail off, does anything asked. Prosise hasn't done a damn thing and is as dependable as a 1970 AMC Gremlin.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:21 pm
  • I prefer to let the coaches make the personnel decisions, it's quite possible they know a little more than the peanut gallery.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:05 am
  • West TX Hawk wrote:
    getnasty wrote:I'm holding on to him, he's cheap, in a contract year and if he ever gets healthy look what he did in that New England game, he looked like the best player on the field...I would even go Procise over Mckissic.


    2017: McKissic: 13 games 46 car 187 yards 4.1 avg, 1 TD, 34 rec 266 yards 2 TD (453 total yards, 3 TD); 1 KR 22 yards

    2017: Prosise: 5 games, 11 car 21 yards 2.1 avg, 6 rec 87 yards (108 total yards, 0 TD)... 1 career TD

    Why have folks forgotten that Prosise absolutely sucked last year when he did play? And don't blame the line-Carson and McKissic dealt with the exact same garbage OL and produced.

    I could give a rat's ass about Prosise's 1 nice game 2 years ago. McKissic contributes, works his tail off, does anything asked. Prosise hasn't done a damn thing and is as dependable as a 1970 AMC Gremlin.


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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:41 am
  • I'd be all for cutting Prosise at the end of camp, but unfortunately with Penny's injury we have to make sure that's healed and he's good to go before getting rid of Prosise.

    I'm old school Bill Parcells when it comes to this stuff, if you're constantly injured you're gone, I've got no time for that. It effects your entire position group............and not only just in games, but training camp and practice.

    Because if you're consistently out and not practicing, that means your teammates are the ones who have to take all those reps, which wears them down as well. It's a snowball effect.

    Great talent and potential, but it's to the point of ridiculousness seeing him scratched from the lineup week after week because of some new nagging injury. He's either soft or injury prone, either way I'm done with CJ.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:56 pm
  • He's due. Give the man a(nother) shot, some good will, a prayer.
    Oh ye of little faith. Prosise will surprise, positively.
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    Critical thinking is pretty much dead too. I miss the hearsay rule.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:20 pm
  • Like many of the posters here on .Net, I'm ready "move on" if CJ gets hurt again tomorrow playing the Chargers..
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:44 am
  • His luck is going to change. It just HAS to.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:00 am
  • Prosise boutta pop off tonight!
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:08 pm
  • I'm not counting on a guy that gets hurt warming up multiple times...
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:30 pm
  • Rocket wrote:He's due. Give the man a(nother) shot, some good will, a prayer.
    Oh ye of little faith. Prosise will surprise, positively.


    Looks like me and Rocket are holding down the C. J. Prosise fan club this week.

    I say he's not a bust and will have some big games for the Hawks this season.
    So it's time to double down. Buy your Prosise jerseys now while they're cheap.
    I think I'll add Prosise to my sig as my honorary adopt-a-rookie for 2018.
    Game-wise, he's probably still in his rookie season in terms of number of games played.

    I wrote a book here explaining my take, my best guess at the situation,
    here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=140310&start=50#p2190673

    Y'all are dogging Prosise, I understand why, it's just that I happen to believe he is a tough, smart, hardworking athlete who has simply had poop-for-luck due to a severe shoulder+arm+wrist injury in 2016 that he's never fully recovered from, and the team is not fully disclosing the injury, for whatever the reasons are. The team is making up assorted "excuse" injuries to hold him out until the real injury is well enough to play at an NFL level. There are reasons a team would do this, e.g., to keep other teams from targeting the injured area, by giving them bad information.

    Being a Prosise fan now is about like being a Sounders soccer fan in June. Team in last place, "stick a fork in them." If you're a committed fan, and/or simply should be committed, you wear your team jersey with pride in good times and in bad. (Sounders 6 straight wins in July-Aug, back in playoff position again)

    Time to go see if I can score a Prosise jersey... get 'em while they're still cheap!
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:44 pm
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    Rocket wrote:He's due. Give the man a(nother) shot, some good will, a prayer.
    Oh ye of little faith. Prosise will surprise, positively.


    Looks like me and Rocket are holding down the C. J. Prosise fan club this week.

    I say he's not a bust and will have some big games for the Hawks this season.
    So it's time to double down. Buy your Prosise jerseys now while they're cheap.
    I think I'll add Prosise to my sig as my honorary adopt-a-rookie for 2018.
    Game-wise, he's probably still in his rookie season in terms of number of games played.

    I wrote a book here explaining my take, my best guess at the situation,
    here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=140310&start=50#p2190673

    Y'all are dogging Prosise, I understand why, it's just that I happen to believe he is a tough, smart, hardworking athlete who has simply had poop-for-luck due to a severe shoulder+arm+wrist injury in 2016 that he's never fully recovered from, and the team is not fully disclosing the injury, for whatever the reasons are. The team is making up assorted "excuse" injuries to hold him out until the real injury is well enough to play at an NFL level. There are reasons a team would do this, e.g., to keep other teams from targeting the injured area, by giving them bad information.

    Being a Prosise fan now is about like being a Sounders soccer fan in June. Team in last place, "stick a fork in them." If you're a committed fan, and/or simply should be committed, you wear your team jersey with pride in good times and in bad. (Sounders 6 straight wins in July-Aug, back in playoff position again)

    Time to go see if I can score a Prosise jersey... get 'em while they're still cheap!


    Add me to the list, if he ever figured his health out he's a poor man's Laveon/David Johnson type of back defintly a match up nightmare
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:48 pm
  • For some reason, I feel more patient and optimistic about Prosise than I do Amara Darboh — who is, once again, not expected to play.
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Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:01 pm
  • Breaking news: C.J. Prosise has just been ruled out for the San Diego game with an ice cream headache.


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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:56 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:For some reason, I feel more patient and optimistic about Prosise than I do Amara Darboh — who is, once again, not expected to play.


    Darboh is the same height, weight and had the same combine stats as Jaron Brown.
    If that doesn't tell him something, nothing will.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:10 pm
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    hawknation2018 wrote:For some reason, I feel more patient and optimistic about Prosise than I do Amara Darboh — who is, once again, not expected to play.


    Darboh is the same height, weight and had the same combine stats as Jaron Brown.
    If that doesn't tell him something, nothing will.


    Brown wasn't at the combine, but he was much faster at his Pro Day (4.29 seconds). It's hard to compare Pro Days with the combine sometimes. But it's clear from watching Brown that he is the quicker-twitch athlete.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:59 pm
  • For the Prosise advocates, what is it about his play from last season and his 1 preseason game this year that makes you feel he's an impact player? I'm genuinely curious what other folks see that I don't with this player.

    Playing late in the 4th qtr in preseason is usually indicative of where Pete views one on the depth chart.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:22 pm
  • I see Prosise on the potential chopping block right now. Would way rather have Mike Davis.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:26 am
  • West TX Hawk wrote:For the Prosise advocates, what is it about his play from last season and his 1 preseason game this year that makes you feel he's an impact player? I'm genuinely curious what other folks see that I don't with this player.

    Playing late in the 4th qtr in preseason is usually indicative of where Pete views one on the depth chart.


    Prosise has shown the ability to create explosive plays like the 38 yard reception vs. the Pats and the 72 yard TD run vs. the Eagles. No knock on Mike Davis, I hope they can keep him too, but he doesn't have the same level of upside.

    Prosise's ability to contribute comes down to health. In that respect, you may be right in keeping Davis over him because Davis has been much more durable. I'd keep CJ for another year while he's under club control if he can stay healthy and then reevaluate. If he gets hurt within that time frame, trade or cut him.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:05 am
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    West TX Hawk wrote:For the Prosise advocates, what is it about his play from last season and his 1 preseason game this year that makes you feel he's an impact player? I'm genuinely curious what other folks see that I don't with this player.

    Playing late in the 4th qtr in preseason is usually indicative of where Pete views one on the depth chart.


    Prosise has shown the ability to create explosive plays like the 38 yard reception vs. the Pats and the 72 yard TD run vs. the Eagles. No knock on Mike Davis, I hope they can keep him too, but he doesn't have the same level of upside.

    Prosise's ability to contribute comes down to health. In that respect, you may be right in keeping Davis over him because Davis has been much more durable. I'd keep CJ for another year while he's under club control if he can stay healthy and then reevaluate. If he gets hurt within that time frame, trade or cut him.


    I agree with this, really the only reason Mike Davis and Mckissic are on this team is health. Both are middle of the road players at best but not game changers. CJ can be that guy if he could ever stay healthy.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:44 am
  • I thought Prosise looked sort of underwhelming in the last preseason game. He had a few nice plays (his first run, in particular) but seemed to fall down more easily on contact after that. I don’t know. The jury is still out on him, and his place on the roster is likely contingent on him both staying healthy enough to practice and playing well in the remaining two preseason games.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:57 am
  • West TX Hawk wrote:For the Prosise advocates, what is it about his play from last season and his 1 preseason game this year that makes you feel he's an impact player? I'm genuinely curious what other folks see that I don't with this player.

    Playing late in the 4th qtr in preseason is usually indicative of where Pete views one on the depth chart.


    The case for Prosise is summarized in the 'Hawks road win at New England in Nov.2016.
    https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/footb ... -patriots/

    I've shared my hypothesis that Prosise had a severe shoulder/arm/wrist injury to one side, and a series of reinjuries to those parts, involving shoulder rotator cuff, labrum, nerves (e.g. ulnar nerve that runs full length of neck to hand, and median nerve) that the team has withheld information on, and has listed secondary "injuries" as the reason for holding him out. That hypothesis includes it seeming well enough to play on, and then getting reinjured/aggravated when Prosise did play on it.

    Further, that type of shoulder/arm/wrist injury would be consistent with the supposed "injured in pregame warmups" phony story we get when Prosise is unavailable. I expect they ask Prosise to warm up with the team and try to go, and he reports what he feels, and the team then decides play, or no-play, based on what they think is best for his full recovery. Best guess is that one significant part of the injury happened sometime in Aug/Sept 2016, and that it has never fully healed to NFL-ready level, and keeps getting reinjured.

    For another data point on NFL shoulder injuries and botched recoveries, read about Andrew Luck's shoulder injury. https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-luck-no ... 25003.html

    I think Prosise is a good-character, smart, hardworking athlete trying to work through a debilitating shoulder/arm/wrist injury that typically takes normal mortals 3-4 years to fully heal from, and even for elite athletes with the best medical support, can easily take 2 years to get back to full ability, and is prone to reinjury and setbacks during the process.

    As far as playing late in the 4th quarter and depth chart, it's meaningless for a guy in a situation like Prosise's. It is basically the same as a MLB team sending a starting pitcher recovering from injury to a AA or AAA affiliate for a rehab assignment.

    I've laid out what I believe to be the case. I could be wrong, I could be right. I think I'm probably 70-80% right, and the parts I'm wrong about would involve the detailed specifics of the major injury and repeated related collateral injuries. In any case, believing as I do, I can't find it in my heart to do anything but root for Prosise. So it seems a little cruel and short-sighted that so many are ready to kick Prosise to the curb (and then watch him excel for another team, most likely the Patriots). But hey, after all, this is the NFL - Not For Long, and it's a cutthroat business.

    I hope that Prosise-haters can pause long enough to truly consider the alternate hypothesis I've shared, and give him the benefit of the doubt, and give some thought on whether to root for him, or continue down the "cut the malingerer yesterday" path. I think Prosise is a good character, hardworking, talented, smart, elite NFL athlete, and that he has many big plays *as a Seahawk* still in him, so I choose to root for him.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:02 am
  • hawknation2018 wrote:For some reason, I feel more patient and optimistic about Prosise than I do Amara Darboh — who is, once again, not expected to play.


    OMG, please start an "Amara Darboh Weekly Unavailability Thread" already! Let's have some fun with it, and a dedicated place to vent a little, share theories, etc.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:34 pm
  • olyfan63 wrote:
    West TX Hawk wrote:For the Prosise advocates, what is it about his play from last season and his 1 preseason game this year that makes you feel he's an impact player? I'm genuinely curious what other folks see that I don't with this player.

    Playing late in the 4th qtr in preseason is usually indicative of where Pete views one on the depth chart.


    The case for Prosise is summarized in the 'Hawks road win at New England in Nov.2016.
    https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/footb ... -patriots/

    I've shared my hypothesis that Prosise had a severe shoulder/arm/wrist injury to one side, and a series of reinjuries to those parts, involving shoulder rotator cuff, labrum, nerves (e.g. ulnar nerve that runs full length of neck to hand, and median nerve) that the team has withheld information on, and has listed secondary "injuries" as the reason for holding him out. That hypothesis includes it seeming well enough to play on, and then getting reinjured/aggravated when Prosise did play on it.

    Further, that type of shoulder/arm/wrist injury would be consistent with the supposed "injured in pregame warmups" phony story we get when Prosise is unavailable. I expect they ask Prosise to warm up with the team and try to go, and he reports what he feels, and the team then decides play, or no-play, based on what they think is best for his full recovery. Best guess is that one significant part of the injury happened sometime in Aug/Sept 2016, and that it has never fully healed to NFL-ready level, and keeps getting reinjured.

    For another data point on NFL shoulder injuries and botched recoveries, read about Andrew Luck's shoulder injury. https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-luck-no ... 25003.html

    I think Prosise is a good-character, smart, hardworking athlete trying to work through a debilitating shoulder/arm/wrist injury that typically takes normal mortals 3-4 years to fully heal from, and even for elite athletes with the best medical support, can easily take 2 years to get back to full ability, and is prone to reinjury and setbacks during the process.

    As far as playing late in the 4th quarter and depth chart, it's meaningless for a guy in a situation like Prosise's. It is basically the same as a MLB team sending a starting pitcher recovering from injury to a AA or AAA affiliate for a rehab assignment.

    I've laid out what I believe to be the case. I could be wrong, I could be right. I think I'm probably 70-80% right, and the parts I'm wrong about would involve the detailed specifics of the major injury and repeated related collateral injuries. In any case, believing as I do, I can't find it in my heart to do anything but root for Prosise. So it seems a little cruel and short-sighted that so many are ready to kick Prosise to the curb (and then watch him excel for another team, most likely the Patriots). But hey, after all, this is the NFL - Not For Long, and it's a cutthroat business.

    I hope that Prosise-haters can pause long enough to truly consider the alternate hypothesis I've shared, and give him the benefit of the doubt, and give some thought on whether to root for him, or continue down the "cut the malingerer yesterday" path. I think Prosise is a good character, hardworking, talented, smart, elite NFL athlete, and that he has many big plays *as a Seahawk* still in him, so I choose to root for him.


    As a human being I agree, as a football player on a team he is on his last leg, all the potential and impact he COULD have is never going to be seen if he is not able to play. Davis and McKissic may be consisdered to be a half step back but guess what, they are making plays, they are in games, they are contributing.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:01 pm
  • scutterhawk wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:Prosise's cap hit is 800k this season and less than 1m next season. If he gets injured he goes on PUP/IR and doesn't take up a roster spot. I don't see a good reason to cut him right now.

    Because he's taking up a roster spot that could be better used on someone who might be available to PLAY.
    I mean hell...there are players that are more deserving to be on the Seahawks 53.

    I think Prosise is exactly the sort of player you want to fill some of your 90 man roster spots. Unlikely to succeed but cheap with a high upside. Whether he should make the 53 depends on who we would be cutting to keep him and whether they would stick on our practice squad. Maybe I'm just less enamored with our 45-53 range of talent than you are.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:50 am
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    olyfan63 wrote:--snip--

    I hope that Prosise-haters can pause long enough to truly consider the alternate hypothesis I've shared, and give him the benefit of the doubt, and give some thought on whether to root for him, or continue down the "cut the malingerer yesterday" path. I think Prosise is a good character, hardworking, talented, smart, elite NFL athlete, and that he has many big plays *as a Seahawk* still in him, so I choose to root for him.


    As a human being I agree, as a football player on a team he is on his last leg, all the potential and impact he COULD have is never going to be seen if he is not able to play. Davis and McKissic may be consisdered to be a half step back but guess what, they are making plays, they are in games, they are contributing.


    At some point in the future, the truth about Prosise and his REAL injury history will come out in the wash.
    He is a legit NFL talent. Will he be able to be available. As I said, I think the team has been concealing information about what Prosise's REAL injury issues are. I believe he had a major, traumatic arm,shoulder, wrist injury, along the lines of Jeremy Lane's folding forearm, but involving his shoulder joint. Those suckers can take a couple years to truly heal, when the shoulder joint, nerves, wrist, etc. are involved. There can be lots of setbacks and mysteries in the recovery process.
    Just ask Andrew Luck.

    The team has this year and next year for team control of Prosise. I think we totally ARE looking at a Paul Richardson type situation. Physically talented player, legit injuries, but also legit desire, work ethic, and toughness to get back on the field.

    McKissic and Davis are the role players we hope can keep this thing moving in the meantime. The Hawks are not going to release Prosise, unless they deem his major shoulder/arm injury to be unrecoverable from, and then they would probably need to reach some sort of injury settlement.

    In the meantime, we've got Rashaad Penny's development to look forward to, and the exciting play of a healthy Chris Carson.

    Of the Hawks RBs, who gains more yards from scrimmage this year during the regular season, Carson, Penny, Prosise, Davis, McKissic? And in what order? I'm predicting Carson, Prosise, Penny, McKissic, Davis, in that order. McKissic or Davis may not make the roster.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:49 am
  • olyfan63 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    olyfan63 wrote:--snip--

    I hope that Prosise-haters can pause long enough to truly consider the alternate hypothesis I've shared, and give him the benefit of the doubt, and give some thought on whether to root for him, or continue down the "cut the malingerer yesterday" path. I think Prosise is a good character, hardworking, talented, smart, elite NFL athlete, and that he has many big plays *as a Seahawk* still in him, so I choose to root for him.


    As a human being I agree, as a football player on a team he is on his last leg, all the potential and impact he COULD have is never going to be seen if he is not able to play. Davis and McKissic may be consisdered to be a half step back but guess what, they are making plays, they are in games, they are contributing.


    At some point in the future, the truth about Prosise and his REAL injury history will come out in the wash.
    He is a legit NFL talent. Will he be able to be available. As I said, I think the team has been concealing information about what Prosise's REAL injury issues are. I believe he had a major, traumatic arm,shoulder, wrist injury, along the lines of Jeremy Lane's folding forearm, but involving his shoulder joint. Those suckers can take a couple years to truly heal, when the shoulder joint, nerves, wrist, etc. are involved. There can be lots of setbacks and mysteries in the recovery process.
    Just ask Andrew Luck.

    The team has this year and next year for team control of Prosise. I think we totally ARE looking at a Paul Richardson type situation. Physically talented player, legit injuries, but also legit desire, work ethic, and toughness to get back on the field.

    McKissic and Davis are the role players we hope can keep this thing moving in the meantime. The Hawks are not going to release Prosise, unless they deem his major shoulder/arm injury to be unrecoverable from, and then they would probably need to reach some sort of injury settlement.

    In the meantime, we've got Rashaad Penny's development to look forward to, and the exciting play of a healthy Chris Carson.

    Of the Hawks RBs, who gains more yards from scrimmage this year during the regular season, Carson, Penny, Prosise, Davis, McKissic? And in what order? I'm predicting Carson, Prosise, Penny, McKissic, Davis, in that order. McKissic or Davis may not make the roster.

    Why would PC pr JS try to CONCEAL an injury for a player on the bubble. Carson and Penny makes him expendable if he is unhealthy/unreliable. Also, most NFL players aren't 100% healthy during the season anyway but most want playing time to earn that pay and recognition. Even when Prosise is declared a "full go" he has had trouble making it beyond a few games. He doesn't appear to be favoring any part of his body during this last game so I suspect they injury you speak of may be in his head.
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:51 pm
  • Russ Willstrong wrote:Why would PC pr JS try to CONCEAL an injury for a player on the bubble. Carson and Penny makes him expendable if he is unhealthy/unreliable. Also, most NFL players aren't 100% healthy during the season anyway but most want playing time to earn that pay and recognition. Even when Prosise is declared a "full go" he has had trouble making it beyond a few games. He doesn't appear to be favoring any part of his body during this last game so I suspect they injury you speak of may be in his head.


    Prosise is not a bubble player. Doncha think a bubble player would have been cut long, long ago?
    The Hawks have treated Prosise as a quality NFL player who they hope/expect to eventually return to star-level form.
    NFL teams regularly conceal or selectively report injuries for their own hidden purposes.

    Do have a read of a bit of the piece on Andrew Luck and his shoulder injury that's wiped out nearly two years of his career, for the injury to heal to where Luck can throw at an NFL level. https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-luck-no ... 25003.html
    Prosise had an injury described as a "fractured scapula". The experts say it takes one hell of a lot of force and impact to cause that injury, and there are likely to be collateral injuries from that type of impact. I do have some direct personal experience with shoulder internal tissue injuries (rotator cuff), and arm and wrist injuries involving internal tissues like nerves. Did the Hawks botch Prosise's diagnosis ,treatment, and rehab? Did Prosise pull an Andrew Luck and sabotage his recovery by trying to do too much too soon? I wouldn't expect the team to reveal that kind of information.

    I've put forward an alternate theory to explain what could be going on in the Prosise situation.
    What's your theory---that Prosise is made of glass and is a malingerer? If so, I don't blame you... That's the default theory the Hawks have allowed to flourish, and I say it's ludicrous, and does NOT begin to explain the team's actions and choices with Prosise.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:45 am
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    Russ Willstrong wrote:Why would PC pr JS try to CONCEAL an injury for a player on the bubble. Carson and Penny makes him expendable if he is unhealthy/unreliable. Also, most NFL players aren't 100% healthy during the season anyway but most want playing time to earn that pay and recognition. Even when Prosise is declared a "full go" he has had trouble making it beyond a few games. He doesn't appear to be favoring any part of his body during this last game so I suspect they injury you speak of may be in his head.


    Prosise is not a bubble player. Doncha think a bubble player would have been cut long, long ago?
    The Hawks have treated Prosise as a quality NFL player who they hope/expect to eventually return to star-level form.
    NFL teams regularly conceal or selectively report injuries for their own hidden purposes.

    Do have a read of a bit of the piece on Andrew Luck and his shoulder injury that's wiped out nearly two years of his career, for the injury to heal to where Luck can throw at an NFL level. https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-luck-no ... 25003.html
    Prosise had an injury described as a "fractured scapula". The experts say it takes one hell of a lot of force and impact to cause that injury, and there are likely to be collateral injuries from that type of impact. I do have some direct personal experience with shoulder internal tissue injuries (rotator cuff), and arm and wrist injuries involving internal tissues like nerves. Did the Hawks botch Prosise's diagnosis ,treatment, and rehab? Did Prosise pull an Andrew Luck and sabotage his recovery by trying to do too much too soon? I wouldn't expect the team to reveal that kind of information.

    I've put forward an alternate theory to explain what could be going on in the Prosise situation.
    What's your theory---that Prosise is made of glass and is a malingerer? If so, I don't blame you... That's the default theory the Hawks have allowed to flourish, and I say it's ludicrous, and does NOT begin to explain the team's actions and choices with Prosise.

    This is in all find and good, but Prosise had injury problems back in college as well. Some people just don't have bodies that are durable enough to play in the NFL. That is just the way things are.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:38 am
  • Really sucks he can't stay healthy, because he could help this team big time. Very versatile player.
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Re: Cut Prosise tomorrow
Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:37 am
  • Rocket wrote:He's due. Give the man a(nother) shot, some good will, a prayer.
    Oh ye of little faith. Prosise will surprise, positively.

    Told ya... :2thumbs:
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