Seahawks.NET AMAZON STOREFRONT

Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ

The Essential Online Seattle Football Fan Forum Community. There simply is NO substitute. LANGUAGE RATING: PG-13
Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:43 pm


  • I think some may have forgotten that Russell is his own worst critic, he's got areas to improve, there's some things in his game he can't get away with anymore, but he's going to keep getting better and he's known as a leader through his work ethic, he's not the squeaky wheel. I've lost some respect for some of the players who are no longer here, we need some of that attitude/brashness/confidence on our team, all the talk isn't necessary, the talk is self promotion for the most part. Like the point about the Ravens, his point about Sherm in his first year isn't great as he didn't start immediately. I for one am ready to move on, I really like the youth movement, and I love me some Russell Wilson. I also think we're going get right against the bears on mnf.
    User avatar
    SNDavidson
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1561
    Joined: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:22 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:52 pm
  • Disclaimer: I love Russ. He has been a huge part of our surge since his rookie year.

    But.... I also think it's fair to wonder... is he really "going to keep getting better"? Is he, in fact, getting better? Before people come unglued, it's a fair question. He is now in his 7th NFL season. He is showing some very concerning tendencies and habits, and the worst part about that is defenses know them and prepare for them.

    In his defense, lack of a running game and our infamous O line issues have severely hampered his development. I know it frustrates people when he goes whirling dervish and spins into sacks (and that habit MUST be broken), but the guy has been harassed like no other QB the last few seasons and he is desperately trying to make plays. Maybe trying TOO hard.

    No other QB currently in the league could have done what #3 did last season with a ghost town RB corps and a terrible line. He balled out. But, he also seems to have acquired residual scar tissue and some "shellshock-itis", which is understandable considering .5 seconds after the snap he is being assaulted from every direction.

    I long to see what he can do behind an elite line, with a devastating running game, and more consistent and viable receiving threats other than just Doug.
    User avatar
    FlyingGreg
    * Master Chief *
     
    Posts: 9293
    Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:19 am
    Location: Blue Springs, Missouri


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:05 pm
  • You have to look at the alternatives.

    Is Seattle going to replace Russ? With what?

    Almost all of the #1 overall picks that were QBs are worse than Russ.

    If we acknowledge that while Russ can carry a team in a game or two, but not a season, we can get to a better place with him. He will never be Young or Montana, Rodgers or Brady. He won't even be what Brees or Rivers is. But he can do things that most QBs cannot and he can do things that many defenses struggle with.

    However, the idea he can be the guy to take us to a SB has to go. We don't have the defense for it. We won't. And with a better defense, he couldn't.

    We probably have to do what the Saints did. Pay your QB. Stumble around for a few years as you cannot pay people because your QB takes most of your resources. Eventually, rebuild your defenses and have a shot at a run in the playoffs because your QB is still on a long-term contract and is relatively inexpensive compared to what most of the rest of the league is paying.

    It means 3-4 years of treading water with Wilson in order to get to that point though. And that assumes we can get a long enough term contract to make it a viable strategy.

    If we were not going to do this, the time to trade him would have been last year - to someone like the Jets for a boatload of picks and solid defensive players. But there is no move forward without him that does not end with us being a cellar dweller. And there is no reasonable way to believe the Seahawks can be a playoff team with Wilson + a new contract.

    So we are stuck either waiting for Wilson to become less expensive (and hopefully better but this is unlikely after year 7 - he is what he is) or just going into the toilet and hoping to rebuild completely.
    TwistedHusky
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3182
    Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:48 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:10 pm
  • I dont really think that he needs to get better. I think he needs the tools that other teams have to be more successful. They have a pocket that is worthy. They have a receiver corp that is worthy...and they have a running game that is even marginal. I know that Coach Pete built this team on time management. Controlling the ball, and not letting the other team have time to score. Hence the running game controlling the time of the game. But I am just a fan.....Hope the Chi game is fun Greg.
    R.I.P. Queen.
    User avatar
    Seahawkfan80
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 7846
    Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:20 pm
    Location: A little ways from Boise.


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:22 pm
  • Those articles about Russell not being held to a standard are BS from whiny people.

    What QB in the NFL doesn't get treated differently than defensive players? ALL QBs get treated differently.

    Russell has set records for Touchdowns, what exactly is he supposed to be held accountable for?

    Ridiculous. Whiny players that aren't here anymore can stop crying about Russell Wilson. You guys shit in your bed, and now you're gone. Take responsibility.

    I said this the other day, but Russell has been taking a beating as the QB of this team, carrying it to victory after victory. Setting a record for 4th Quarter TDs.

    So if, in the first game of the season, he gets lit up by Von Miller, I won't blame him for falling in to old habits. He still has to learn to trust that offensive line. Just ask David Carr how much getting hammered effects your game. His team set a record for giving up sacks in a season. Russell sustained two major injuries behind a Tom Cable OLine, yet never said a word about them.

    I blame last weeks loss and sacks on poor playcalling. We were going against Von Miller and Bradley Chubb for crying out loud! Where were the roll outs and running game? Because that's what you do when you face ELITE PASS RUSHERS. You protect your QB by calling plays that limit a DEs success. Not pocket passes....smh...

    To blame an Elite, once in a lifetime QB for our troubles is absolute nonsense. Meanwhile, our defense, the one that was always running their mouths about holding out, about "getting paid," and blaming everyone except themselves for that Superbowl loss, was allowing opposing offenses walk all over them.

    So they just need to stop showing their asses and shut the hell up.

    Russell will take us to another Superbowl. And he NEVER threatened to hold out, NEVER said he needed to protect himself, NEVER claimed he needed more money so that he could take care of his family. He just played. Even though he was getting hammered because we couldn't afford to pay decent offensive linemen.

    So, despite all the noise they made about how they need to get paid, those selfish defensive players will retire in to obscurity, while Russell goes on to the Hall of Fame. If they had kept quiet and just done their job, maybe they could have made it there too.
    "God Bless the Seattle Seahawks" Cortez Kennedy

    http://ivotuk.com/
    User avatar
    ivotuk
    * NET Moderator *
     
    Posts: 17480
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:29 pm
    Location: North Pole, Alaska


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:39 pm
  • FlyingGreg wrote:Disclaimer: I love Russ. He has been a huge part of our surge since his rookie year.

    But.... I also think it's fair to wonder... is he really "going to keep getting better"? Is he, in fact, getting better? Before people come unglued, it's a fair question. He is now in his 7th NFL season. He is showing some very concerning tendencies and habits, and the worst part about that is defenses know them and prepare for them.

    In his defense, lack of a running game and our infamous O line issues have severely hampered his development. I know it frustrates people when he goes whirling dervish and spins into sacks (and that habit MUST be broken), but the guy has been harassed like no other QB the last few seasons and he is desperately trying to make plays. Maybe trying TOO hard.

    No other QB currently in the league could have done what #3 did last season with a ghost town RB corps and a terrible line. He balled out. But, he also seems to have acquired residual scar tissue and some "shellshock-itis", which is understandable considering .5 seconds after the snap he is being assaulted from every direction.

    I long to see what he can do behind an elite line, with a devastating running game, and more consistent and viable receiving threats other than just Doug.


    I love Pete Carroll. He has been a huge part of our surge since coincidentally when Russell Wilson showed up.

    But.... I also think it's fair to wonder... if Pete is "going to keep getting better"? Is he, in fact, getting better? Before people come unglued, it's a fair question. He is now in his 13th NFL season as head coach, and is the oldest in the league. He has showed some very concerning tendencies and habits over the years, and the worst part about it is opposing teams know Pete and prepare for his simplistic schemes.

    Pete's inability to build a running game to go along with an infamous O line has severely hampered Wilson's development. The guy has been harassed like no other QB the last few seasons and has had to carry an inept squad.

    No other QB currently in the league could have done what #3 did last season with a ghost town RB corps and a terrible line. He balled out. It also seems he has acquired a bit of David Carr Syndrome due to Pete Carroll's mismanagement.

    I long to see what Wilson can do when Pete gets out of the way. So they can build an elite line, with a devastating running game, and have more consistent and viable receiving threats other than just Doug before it is too late.

    Fixed.
    User avatar
    Fade
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1590
    Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:26 am
    Location: Truth Ray


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:17 pm
  • Fade wrote:
    FlyingGreg wrote:Disclaimer: I love Russ. He has been a huge part of our surge since his rookie year.

    But.... I also think it's fair to wonder... is he really "going to keep getting better"? Is he, in fact, getting better? Before people come unglued, it's a fair question. He is now in his 7th NFL season. He is showing some very concerning tendencies and habits, and the worst part about that is defenses know them and prepare for them.

    In his defense, lack of a running game and our infamous O line issues have severely hampered his development. I know it frustrates people when he goes whirling dervish and spins into sacks (and that habit MUST be broken), but the guy has been harassed like no other QB the last few seasons and he is desperately trying to make plays. Maybe trying TOO hard.

    No other QB currently in the league could have done what #3 did last season with a ghost town RB corps and a terrible line. He balled out. But, he also seems to have acquired residual scar tissue and some "shellshock-itis", which is understandable considering .5 seconds after the snap he is being assaulted from every direction.

    I long to see what he can do behind an elite line, with a devastating running game, and more consistent and viable receiving threats other than just Doug.


    I love Pete Carroll. He has been a huge part of our surge since coincidentally when Russell Wilson showed up.

    But.... I also think it's fair to wonder... if Pete is "going to keep getting better"? Is he, in fact, getting better? Before people come unglued, it's a fair question. He is now in his 13th NFL season as head coach, and is the oldest in the league. He has showed some very concerning tendencies and habits over the years, and the worst part about it is opposing teams know Pete and prepare for his simplistic schemes.

    Pete's inability to build a running game to go along with an infamous O line has severely hampered Wilson's development. The guy has been harassed like no other QB the last few seasons and has had to carry an inept squad.

    No other QB currently in the league could have done what #3 did last season with a ghost town RB corps and a terrible line. He balled out. It also seems he has acquired a bit of David Carr Syndrome due to Pete Carroll's mismanagement.

    I long to see what Wilson can do when Pete gets out of the way. So they can build an elite line, with a devastating running game, and have more consistent and viable receiving threats other than just Doug before it is too late.

    Fixed.


    No, not fixed. My post stands. If you want to make a separate post about Pete, knock yourself out.

    :2thumbs:
    User avatar
    FlyingGreg
    * Master Chief *
     
    Posts: 9293
    Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:19 am
    Location: Blue Springs, Missouri


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:18 pm
  • BRAVO COLIN COWHERD!

    Truer words have never been spoken. People seem to forget that we’d still be irrelevant without Russ, and we damn sure wouldn’t have sniffed a Super Bowl without him.

    Yes, I’ll concede that he’s regressed a bit over the last two seasons, and yes, he does need to be held accountable, just like every other quarterback in this league. However, his support system has failed him miserably, and I defy anyone to name another QB that could do any better behind that garbage offensive line.

    Russ has earned every penny he’s ever made, and to insinuate that he hasn’t is utterly ridiculous.
    ben@thetabs
    User avatar
    THE TABS
    * NET Staff Alumni *
     
    Posts: 233
    Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:26 am
    Location: Ephrata, WA


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:53 pm
  • FlyingGreg wrote:Disclaimer: I love Russ. He has been a huge part of our surge since his rookie year.

    But.... I also think it's fair to wonder... is he really "going to keep getting better"? Is he, in fact, getting better? Before people come unglued, it's a fair question. He is now in his 7th NFL season. He is showing some very concerning tendencies and habits, and the worst part about that is defenses know them and prepare for them.

    In his defense, lack of a running game and our infamous O line issues have severely hampered his development. I know it frustrates people when he goes whirling dervish and spins into sacks (and that habit MUST be broken), but the guy has been harassed like no other QB the last few seasons and he is desperately trying to make plays. Maybe trying TOO hard.

    No other QB currently in the league could have done what #3 did last season with a ghost town RB corps and a terrible line. He balled out. But, he also seems to have acquired residual scar tissue and some "shellshock-itis", which is understandable considering .5 seconds after the snap he is being assaulted from every direction.

    I long to see what he can do behind an elite line, with a devastating running game, and more consistent and viable receiving threats other than just Doug.

    IF you see Bevell, working with Cables' failed Offensive Line & Schottenheimer, with Solari's Offensive acumen as equals, then yes, RW has probably peaked, But I don't see Russell Wilson as a 'One Trick Pony'.
    What you are not taking into consideration, is that the Offensive Line (with Ifedi) is still shitting the bed....You're expecting that Russell Wilson should flourish, regardless of who's pass Blocking, protecting his blind side, OR, when his Run Game is still CRAPPY??, C'mon Gregg, Year After Year, all he's ever done is keep on proving his doubters WRONG.....I know you don't truly believe that he's hit a wall.
    scutterhawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 6453
    Joined: Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:48 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:03 pm
  • scutterhawk wrote:
    FlyingGreg wrote:Disclaimer: I love Russ. He has been a huge part of our surge since his rookie year.

    But.... I also think it's fair to wonder... is he really "going to keep getting better"? Is he, in fact, getting better? Before people come unglued, it's a fair question. He is now in his 7th NFL season. He is showing some very concerning tendencies and habits, and the worst part about that is defenses know them and prepare for them.

    In his defense, lack of a running game and our infamous O line issues have severely hampered his development. I know it frustrates people when he goes whirling dervish and spins into sacks (and that habit MUST be broken), but the guy has been harassed like no other QB the last few seasons and he is desperately trying to make plays. Maybe trying TOO hard.

    No other QB currently in the league could have done what #3 did last season with a ghost town RB corps and a terrible line. He balled out. But, he also seems to have acquired residual scar tissue and some "shellshock-itis", which is understandable considering .5 seconds after the snap he is being assaulted from every direction.

    I long to see what he can do behind an elite line, with a devastating running game, and more consistent and viable receiving threats other than just Doug.

    IF you see Bevell, working with Cables' failed Offensive Line & Schottenheimer, with Solari's Offensive acumen as equals, then yes, RW has probably peaked, But I don't see Russell Wilson as a 'One Trick Pony'.
    What you are not taking into consideration, is that the Offensive Line (with Ifedi) is still shitting the bed....You're expecting that Russell Wilson should flourish, regardless of who's pass Blocking, protecting his blind side, OR, when his Run Game is still CRAPPY??, C'mon Gregg, Year After Year, all he's ever done is keep on proving his doubters WRONG.....I know you don't truly believe that he's hit a wall.


    You didnt read what I said about the line. I said exactly that.
    User avatar
    FlyingGreg
    * Master Chief *
     
    Posts: 9293
    Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:19 am
    Location: Blue Springs, Missouri


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:14 pm
  • He’s definitely right about the Primetime games, for what that’s worth. We don’t get the national attention with Matt Flynn, Mathew Stanford, or even Derek Carr as our QB

    Russell scored 3 TDs in an average game. A better game as some have stated with their hot takes and he’d have about 5 TDs. If he comes even close to averaging this for the year and keeps his completion % up, turnovers down, and a record above .500 that’s elite territory
    User avatar
    Scorpion05
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 688
    Joined: Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:05 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:30 pm
  • Russell will truly shine once the FO gives him the keys
    to Drew Brees's offense.
    GET YOUR EAR PLUGS READY!!!
    User avatar
    TheHawkster
    * NET Bad Ass *
     
    Posts: 2265
    Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:00 am
    Location: Puyallup


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:30 pm
  • SNDavidson wrote:

    I think some may have forgotten that Russell is his own worst critic, he's got areas to improve, there's some things in his game he can't get away with anymore, but he's going to keep getting better and he's known as a leader through his work ethic, he's not the squeaky wheel. I've lost some respect for some of the players who are no longer here, we need some of that attitude/brashness/confidence on our team, all the talk isn't necessary, the talk is self promotion for the most part. Like the point about the Ravens, his point about Sherm in his first year isn't great as he didn't start immediately. I for one am ready to move on, I really like the youth movement, and I love me some Russell Wilson. I also think we're going get right against the bears on mnf.


    Completely validates (yet again) what I shared years earlier about some serious locker-room tension on the team. I had heard about it first hand. Shared it. Some dismissed it. Others wanted me punished for saying what was clearly fact. Not hearsay - fact.

    Many of the big name D players were not RW fans. This also included Beast who was sort of lukewarm regarding Russ. Now they are all gone and Russ remains yet this in turn has only increased expectations for Russ and so far he has failed to meet those. See: Pete Carroll comments.

    To have doubts regarding Russell Wilson's ability to improve, which he must, are valid. For this team to succeed, he must do better. Failing to do so pushes him ever closer to moving on to another team and a true reset button being pushed.

    There were some Seahawks who thought that without them Russell Wilson is a mid-tier QB who would not be able to start on a lot of teams. Well, that might be a bit harsh but there's some truth to it as well. Hoping Russ can quiet the critics (myself included) with some improved play but what he showed last week was far too inconsistent.

    P.S. - Cowherd is a moron. :177692:
    semiahmoo
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1506
    Joined: Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:10 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:53 pm
  • semiahmoo wrote:
    SNDavidson wrote:

    I think some may have forgotten that Russell is his own worst critic, he's got areas to improve, there's some things in his game he can't get away with anymore, but he's going to keep getting better and he's known as a leader through his work ethic, he's not the squeaky wheel. I've lost some respect for some of the players who are no longer here, we need some of that attitude/brashness/confidence on our team, all the talk isn't necessary, the talk is self promotion for the most part. Like the point about the Ravens, his point about Sherm in his first year isn't great as he didn't start immediately. I for one am ready to move on, I really like the youth movement, and I love me some Russell Wilson. I also think we're going get right against the bears on mnf.


    Completely validates (yet again) what I shared years earlier about some serious locker-room tension on the team. I had heard about it first hand. Shared it. Some dismissed it. Others wanted me punished for saying what was clearly fact. Not hearsay - fact.

    Many of the big name D players were not RW fans. This also included Beast who was sort of lukewarm regarding Russ. Now they are all gone and Russ remains yet this in turn has only increased expectations for Russ and so far he has failed to meet those. See: Pete Carroll comments.

    To have doubts regarding Russell Wilson's ability to improve, which he must, are valid. For this team to succeed, he must do better. Failing to do so pushes him ever closer to moving on to another team and a true reset button being pushed.

    There were some Seahawks who thought that without them Russell Wilson is a mid-tier QB who would not be able to start on a lot of teams. Well, that might be a bit harsh but there's some truth to it as well. Hoping Russ can quiet the critics (myself included) with some improved play but what he showed last week was far too inconsistent.

    P.S. - Cowherd is a moron. :177692:


    Replace Russell Wilson with Andy Dalton and the Seahawks are competing with the Buffalo Bills for the #1 pick in the NFL Draft.

    Russell Wilson is nowhere near the mid-tier. He is the one propping up this operation. The operation that continues to get worse every year under Pete Carroll. All I see is the talent level dropping around the franchise QB, and fans are crying because Russ can't wave a magic wand and make all the problems go away.

    Like Drew Brees, Russ will be going 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 until the roster significantly improves.
    User avatar
    Fade
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1590
    Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:26 am
    Location: Truth Ray


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:42 pm
  • Colin speaks the truth as usual
    User avatar
    acer1240
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1000
    Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:52 pm
    Location: Laclede, Idaho


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:02 am
  • There is some substance to what is being discussed here but keep in mind - ONE GAME. This team has played one game, on the road. It is a team of many new parts. Should there be concerns? There should always be concerns. But don’t get ahead of things.

    FWIW: I never heard Russell Wilson complain about all the money going to the Defense when they blew a 10 point lead in 49.
    ~ HOLY CATFISH ~
    User avatar
    MD5eahawks
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 712
    Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:10 pm
    Location: Baltimore, Maryland


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:26 am
  • moving the pocket sounds like a good idea.

    in 1986, krieg was getting killed in the pocket. chuck knox had the sense to start rolling krieg out, etc. (moving the pocket), and the rest -- 5 game win streak to end up at 10-6 -- is seahawks history.
    mrblitz
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1356
    Joined: Wed May 06, 2009 10:34 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:57 am
  • Wilson is still trying to figure it out after 6 seasons. You worshipers saw his best years come and go and you're still waiting for his next big benchmark. LOL In fairness he helped get to 2 superbowls winning one,but that defense was the number one reason for those good years not Wilson,and don't forget Lynch. Wilson was along for the ride. Yes he can scramble and improvise ,but he is hardly the only QB to do that past or present. Hell ---Doug Flutie could run circles around Wilson,or Vick or RG3-Cuningham-Tarkington-Steve young? Wilson is not some unique talent. He's good at times but not gr8. He might have been better if not for Carroll coddling him and covering for him. Now he isn't coachable...I bet the new coaches are frustrated about how Wilson goes off script not to mention the OL who Wilson leaves in the dark every 3rd play. Wilson has been told so many times that he is "ALL THAT" he thinks he can carry the team....he can; right to a losing season. :irishdrinkers:
    xray
    NET Practice Squad
     
    Posts: 83
    Joined: Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:29 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:06 am
  • xray wrote:Wilson is still trying to figure it out after 6 seasons. You worshipers saw his best years come and go and you're still waiting for his next big benchmark. LOL In fairness he helped get to 2 superbowls winning one,but that defense was the number one reason for those good years not Wilson,and don't forget Lynch. Wilson was along for the ride. Yes he can scramble and improvise ,but he is hardly the only QB to do that past or present. Hell ---Doug Flutie could run circles around Wilson,or Vick or RG3-Cuningham-Tarkington-Steve young? Wilson is not some unique talent. He's good at times but not gr8. He might have been better if not for Carroll coddling him and covering for him. Now he isn't coachable...I bet the new coaches are frustrated about how Wilson goes off script not to mention the OL who Wilson leaves in the dark every 3rd play. Wilson has been told so many times that he is "ALL THAT" he thinks he can carry the team....he can; right to a losing season. :irishdrinkers:



    This is an absurd post on many, many levels.

    First, supporting the team's QB and being a fan of what he has done and is doing is not "worshipping" so pump the brakes on name calling.

    Secondly, comparing Wilson to a bunch of other QBs simply because they could run underlies how little you are giving to the subject.

    You don't like Wilson. Fine. You want to compare him to those QBs? good... show the stats.

    I'll start (guess which one is Wilson and which one is Flutie)

    Games: 97/92
    Completions: 1834/1171
    Yards: 22474/14715
    TDs: 164/86
    INTs: 58/68
    Rushing Yds: 3280/1634
    QBR: 98.7/76.3

    One is literally half the qb of the other

    Wilson is not unique.. he's special. You dont have to like his style. But calling him "trash" at every opportunity is base ignorance or trolling.

    Just to point out the absurdity further, here are Young's stats

    Games: 169
    Completions: 2667
    Yards: 33124
    TDs 237
    INTs 107
    Sacks 358 (Wilson: 254)
    Rushing: 4239
    QBR: 96.8

    Wilson is on pace to be as good, if not better than Steve Young. Many, many Seahawks fans will take that
    User avatar
    Uncle Si
    * NET Hottie *
     
    Posts: 13335
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:34 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:15 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:.....One is literally half the qb of the other

    Wilson is not unique.. he's special. You dont have to like his style. But calling him "trash" at every opportunity is base ignorance or trolling.


    Sorry....I had to cutout the stats as they likely will just confuse the OP, but half the QB is pretty accurate. He did say Flutie can run circles around Wilson.....and that may be true. The circles are him going down the drain while Wilson signs his 3rd contract HERE in Seattle.
    User avatar
    Seymour
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 5093
    Joined: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:41 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:47 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    xray wrote:Wilson is still trying to figure it out after 6 seasons. You worshipers saw his best years come and go and you're still waiting for his next big benchmark. LOL In fairness he helped get to 2 superbowls winning one,but that defense was the number one reason for those good years not Wilson,and don't forget Lynch. Wilson was along for the ride. Yes he can scramble and improvise ,but he is hardly the only QB to do that past or present. Hell ---Doug Flutie could run circles around Wilson,or Vick or RG3-Cuningham-Tarkington-Steve young? Wilson is not some unique talent. He's good at times but not gr8. He might have been better if not for Carroll coddling him and covering for him. Now he isn't coachable...I bet the new coaches are frustrated about how Wilson goes off script not to mention the OL who Wilson leaves in the dark every 3rd play. Wilson has been told so many times that he is "ALL THAT" he thinks he can carry the team....he can; right to a losing season. :irishdrinkers:



    Wilson is on pace to be as good, if not better than Steve Young. Many, many Seahawks fans will take that


    Ok, I do my best not to pile on to negative Wilson threads (I make my own, damn it!), but this is pushing real hard bro.

    Better than a two time league MVP, SB MVP, six time NFL passer rating leader, etc?

    Even if Kaepernick had Wilson's career play for play, he still wouldn't be Steve Young, so this isn't about Wilson being a Hawk. Very special QB.....if he had the fortune to have the zone-read, pistol, etc. he would have been even more lethal.

    Aaron Rodgers having passed Steve Young? Maybe.

    Wilson? No.

    :lol: :irishdrinkers:
    NINEster
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1598
    Joined: Sat May 19, 2012 7:06 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:00 am
  • NINEster wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    xray wrote:Wilson is still trying to figure it out after 6 seasons. You worshipers saw his best years come and go and you're still waiting for his next big benchmark. LOL In fairness he helped get to 2 superbowls winning one,but that defense was the number one reason for those good years not Wilson,and don't forget Lynch. Wilson was along for the ride. Yes he can scramble and improvise ,but he is hardly the only QB to do that past or present. Hell ---Doug Flutie could run circles around Wilson,or Vick or RG3-Cuningham-Tarkington-Steve young? Wilson is not some unique talent. He's good at times but not gr8. He might have been better if not for Carroll coddling him and covering for him. Now he isn't coachable...I bet the new coaches are frustrated about how Wilson goes off script not to mention the OL who Wilson leaves in the dark every 3rd play. Wilson has been told so many times that he is "ALL THAT" he thinks he can carry the team....he can; right to a losing season. :irishdrinkers:



    Wilson is on pace to be as good, if not better than Steve Young. Many, many Seahawks fans will take that


    Ok, I do my best not to pile on to negative Wilson threads (I make my own, damn it!), but this is pushing real hard bro.

    Better than a two time league MVP, SB MVP, six time NFL passer rating leader, etc?

    Even if Kaepernick had Wilson's career play for play, he still wouldn't be Steve Young, so this isn't about Wilson being a Hawk. Very special QB.....if he had the fortune to have the zone-read, pistol, etc. he would have been even more lethal.

    Aaron Rodgers having passed Steve Young? Maybe.

    Wilson? No.

    :lol: :irishdrinkers:



    Niner fan comes in and says, "I try not to pile on negative Wilson threads...", proceeds to pile on with very predictable take. This is unsurprising.
    Milehighhawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 709
    Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:33 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:05 am
  • NINEster wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    xray wrote:Wilson is still trying to figure it out after 6 seasons. You worshipers saw his best years come and go and you're still waiting for his next big benchmark. LOL In fairness he helped get to 2 superbowls winning one,but that defense was the number one reason for those good years not Wilson,and don't forget Lynch. Wilson was along for the ride. Yes he can scramble and improvise ,but he is hardly the only QB to do that past or present. Hell ---Doug Flutie could run circles around Wilson,or Vick or RG3-Cuningham-Tarkington-Steve young? Wilson is not some unique talent. He's good at times but not gr8. He might have been better if not for Carroll coddling him and covering for him. Now he isn't coachable...I bet the new coaches are frustrated about how Wilson goes off script not to mention the OL who Wilson leaves in the dark every 3rd play. Wilson has been told so many times that he is "ALL THAT" he thinks he can carry the team....he can; right to a losing season. :irishdrinkers:



    Wilson is on pace to be as good, if not better than Steve Young. Many, many Seahawks fans will take that


    Ok, I do my best not to pile on to negative Wilson threads (I make my own, damn it!), but this is pushing real hard bro.

    Better than a two time league MVP, SB MVP, six time NFL passer rating leader, etc?

    Even if Kaepernick had Wilson's career play for play, he still wouldn't be Steve Young, so this isn't about Wilson being a Hawk. Very special QB.....if he had the fortune to have the zone-read, pistol, etc. he would have been even more lethal.

    Aaron Rodgers having passed Steve Young? Maybe.

    Wilson? No.

    :lol: :irishdrinkers:


    Statistically.. he is on pace to be equal to, if not better than...

    which is quite apparent in the post i made.

    I'm not up for posting the stats on this anymore, but go and compare the two player's stats over their best years. They are not that dissimilar.

    1994 Steve Young (won MVP): 3969 yards, 324 completions, 35 Tds, 10 Ints, 293 yards rushing, 112.8 QBR
    2015 Russel Wilson: 4024, 329 completions, 34 TDs, 8 INts, 553 yards rushing, 110 QBR

    and before you continue whinging about whether Russ and Young should be uttered in the same breath, understand what a compliment is being given to Young that a Hawks fan would choose him as the barometer of excellence for their current QB
    User avatar
    Uncle Si
    * NET Hottie *
     
    Posts: 13335
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:34 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:21 am
  • xray wrote:Wilson is still trying to figure it out after 6 seasons. You worshipers saw his best years come and go and you're still waiting for his next big benchmark. LOL In fairness he helped get to 2 superbowls winning one,but that defense was the number one reason for those good years not Wilson,and don't forget Lynch. Wilson was along for the ride. Yes he can scramble and improvise ,but he is hardly the only QB to do that past or present. Hell ---Doug Flutie could run circles around Wilson,or Vick or RG3-Cuningham-Tarkington-Steve young? Wilson is not some unique talent. He's good at times but not gr8. He might have been better if not for Carroll coddling him and covering for him. Now he isn't coachable...I bet the new coaches are frustrated about how Wilson goes off script not to mention the OL who Wilson leaves in the dark every 3rd play. Wilson has been told so many times that he is "ALL THAT" he thinks he can carry the team....he can; right to a losing season. :irishdrinkers:


    LOL that’s cute

    If he had it perfectly figured out, he’d be the best QB in the league. Instead, he’s top 5. Wow, how terrible
    User avatar
    Scorpion05
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 688
    Joined: Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:05 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:33 am
  • SNDavidson wrote:

    I think some may have forgotten that Russell is his own worst critic, he's got areas to improve, there's some things in his game he can't get away with anymore, but he's going to keep getting better and he's known as a leader through his work ethic, he's not the squeaky wheel. I've lost some respect for some of the players who are no longer here, we need some of that attitude/brashness/confidence on our team, all the talk isn't necessary, the talk is self promotion for the most part. Like the point about the Ravens, his point about Sherm in his first year isn't great as he didn't start immediately. I for one am ready to move on, I really like the youth movement, and I love me some Russell Wilson. I also think we're going get right against the bears on mnf.


    This is where we as fans need to start coming to a realization that Russ peaked a few years back. He's been wildly inconsistent and flat out terrible in stretches. New Cord and system won't change that. Russ is short and doesn't have to vision of Bree's to climb the pocket and make throws. We had so many years of bad football here some of you are blinded by Wilson's inabilities and struggles to progress like most Qb's in his length of tenure. Wilson is a serviceable good Qb but not in any way Elite. This is going to be a ruff year for us fans. Most of you outside the major Homers will agree with me by season's end.
    RCATES
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 417
    Joined: Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:09 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:39 am
  • and yet last season was the 2nd best statistically of his career...

    Why are people who can use basic understandings of stats "Homers" or "haters?"

    Is this a common fall back for those who cannot articulate their opinion without substantiating it?

    or just trolling?
    User avatar
    Uncle Si
    * NET Hottie *
     
    Posts: 13335
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:34 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:46 am
  • Keep in mind you are replying to someone that personally evaluated Hassellbeck as "twice the QB" as Wilson. :roll:

    Waste of time trying to use statistics, common sense, or even the eye test trying to convince otherwise.

    Doesn't have the vision of Brees is another laugher....he is 1 inch taller LMAO.
    User avatar
    Seymour
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 5093
    Joined: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:41 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:54 am
  • Seymour wrote:Keep in mind you are replying to someone that personally evaluated Hassellbeck as "twice the QB" as Wilson. :roll:

    Waste of time trying to use statistics, common sense, or even the eye test trying to convince otherwise.



    I would take about any traditional standing tall in the pocket QB over Wilson right now. The league has figured him out. At least with a QB that can visually survey the field from the pocket we have a chance. If a team has the personnel to eliminate the big chunk plays that made up all of our Offense on Sunday Hawks are screwed. Making Wilson throw from the pocket and methodically move down the field will spell disaster. 4-5 wins tops this year. Bet?
    RCATES
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 417
    Joined: Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:09 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:56 am
  • RCATES wrote:
    Seymour wrote:Keep in mind you are replying to someone that personally evaluated Hassellbeck as "twice the QB" as Wilson. :roll:

    Waste of time trying to use statistics, common sense, or even the eye test trying to convince otherwise.



    I would take about any traditional standing tall in the pocket QB over Wilson right now. The league has figured him out. At least with a QB that can visually survey the field from the pocket we have a chance. If a team has the personnel to eliminate the big chunk plays that made up all of our Offense on Sunday Hawks are screwed. Making Wilson throw from the pocket and methodically move down the field will spell disaster. 4-5 wins tops this year. Bet?


    Like they did last year?
    User avatar
    Uncle Si
    * NET Hottie *
     
    Posts: 13335
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:34 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:01 am
  • RCATES wrote:
    Seymour wrote:Keep in mind you are replying to someone that personally evaluated Hassellbeck as "twice the QB" as Wilson. :roll:

    Waste of time trying to use statistics, common sense, or even the eye test trying to convince otherwise.



    I would take about any traditional standing tall in the pocket QB over Wilson right now. The league has figured him out. At least with a QB that can visually survey the field from the pocket we have a chance. If a team has the personnel to eliminate the big chunk plays that made up all of our Offense on Sunday Hawks are screwed. Making Wilson throw from the pocket and methodically move down the field will spell disaster. 4-5 wins tops this year. Bet?


    So Brock Osweiller is your hero?
    mrt144
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3014
    Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:21 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:07 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:You have to look at the alternatives.

    Is Seattle going to replace Russ? With what?

    Almost all of the #1 overall picks that were QBs are worse than Russ.


    It's a fair point, but it's not going to stay that way for long. Russ can't rely on his athleticism forever. If he can't improve some fundamentals, he might become pretty mediocre.
    GO HAWKS!!!

    Visit my Seahawks blog at 17power.blogspot.com!
    User avatar
    MontanaHawk05
    * 17Power Blogger *
     
    Posts: 15766
    Joined: Fri May 01, 2009 8:46 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:13 am
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:You have to look at the alternatives.

    Is Seattle going to replace Russ? With what?

    Almost all of the #1 overall picks that were QBs are worse than Russ.


    It's a fair point, but it's not going to stay that way for long. Russ can't rely on his athleticism forever. If he can't improve some fundamentals, he might become pretty mediocre.


    To make this full circle

    How many even potentially available QBs are

    1. Are not early in their rookie contract?
    2. Are not likely to be extended by their respective team on a 2nd or 3rd contract circumventing free agency possibilities?
    3. Would be cost equal or less than RW now and potentially in the future?
    4. Are actually as good if not better than RW while not falling under consideration #2 or #3?

    We're talking about potentially 1 or 2 players per season, right?

    Or we draft his replacement next season which has its own qualifiers.

    I hope rcates is working on a time machine because he must be the most miserable hawks fan out there.
    mrt144
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3014
    Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:21 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:36 am
  • mrt144 wrote:
    RCATES wrote:
    Seymour wrote:Keep in mind you are replying to someone that personally evaluated Hassellbeck as "twice the QB" as Wilson. :roll:

    Waste of time trying to use statistics, common sense, or even the eye test trying to convince otherwise.



    I would take about any traditional standing tall in the pocket QB over Wilson right now. The league has figured him out. At least with a QB that can visually survey the field from the pocket we have a chance. If a team has the personnel to eliminate the big chunk plays that made up all of our Offense on Sunday Hawks are screwed. Making Wilson throw from the pocket and methodically move down the field will spell disaster. 4-5 wins tops this year. Bet?


    So Brock Osweiller is your hero?



    What's the over/under on how many 15 yard loss drive killing sacks Wilson will take on Monday? 3-4?
    RCATES
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 417
    Joined: Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:09 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:39 am
  • So you don't have an answer?
    User avatar
    Uncle Si
    * NET Hottie *
     
    Posts: 13335
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:34 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:41 am
  • mrt144 wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:You have to look at the alternatives.

    Is Seattle going to replace Russ? With what?

    Almost all of the #1 overall picks that were QBs are worse than Russ.


    It's a fair point, but it's not going to stay that way for long. Russ can't rely on his athleticism forever. If he can't improve some fundamentals, he might become pretty mediocre.


    To make this full circle

    How many even potentially available QBs are

    1. Are not early in their rookie contract?
    2. Are not likely to be extended by their respective team on a 2nd or 3rd contract circumventing free agency possibilities?
    3. Would be cost equal or less than RW now and potentially in the future?
    4. Are actually as good if not better than RW while not falling under consideration #2 or #3?

    We're talking about potentially 1 or 2 players per season, right?

    Or we draft his replacement next season which has its own qualifiers.

    I hope rcates is working on a time machine because he must be the most miserable hawks fan out there.


    I'm a club level season ticket holder. The difference between me and you is that I'm not blinded by past success. Wilson has regressed and can no longer rely on his speed which has also seemed to evaporate. There is no replacement in sight unless you do what Vikings did and sign a big name replacement like Cousins. We are basically stuck with Wilson for now. I'm just being a real on Wilson's game. Its even harder watching it in person when you see all the Wr's running wide open waiting for Wilson to bail out of the pocket so he can see.
    RCATES
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 417
    Joined: Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:09 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:44 am
  • Ah, yes, Joe Flacco looked great standing tall in the pocket and throwing INTs this week :mrgreen:
    adeltaY
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2934
    Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:22 pm
    Location: Portland, OR


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:48 am
  • RCATES wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:You have to look at the alternatives.

    Is Seattle going to replace Russ? With what?

    Almost all of the #1 overall picks that were QBs are worse than Russ.


    It's a fair point, but it's not going to stay that way for long. Russ can't rely on his athleticism forever. If he can't improve some fundamentals, he might become pretty mediocre.


    To make this full circle

    How many even potentially available QBs are

    1. Are not early in their rookie contract?
    2. Are not likely to be extended by their respective team on a 2nd or 3rd contract circumventing free agency possibilities?
    3. Would be cost equal or less than RW now and potentially in the future?
    4. Are actually as good if not better than RW while not falling under consideration #2 or #3?

    We're talking about potentially 1 or 2 players per season, right?

    Or we draft his replacement next season which has its own qualifiers.

    I hope rcates is working on a time machine because he must be the most miserable hawks fan out there.


    I'm a club level season ticket holder. The difference between me and you is that I'm not blinded by past success. Wilson has regressed and can no longer rely on his speed which has also seemed to evaporate. There is no replacement in sight unless you do what Vikings did and sign a big name replacement like Cousins. We are basically stuck with Wilson for now. I'm just being a real on Wilson's game. Its even harder watching it in person when you see all the Wr's running wide open waiting for Wilson to bail out of the pocket so he can see.


    The difference between me and you is you are self assured in your righteousness, I'm here to discuss things and inform myself more.
    mrt144
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3014
    Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:21 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:19 am
  • Where is this "Russ has slowed down" stuff coming from? Are these simply eye-ball tests that simply get repeated? Is it his age? He's 29 years old ! Justin Gaitlin is 36 and won the world 100 meters LY (9.92). Usain Bolt just retired at 32 (he has scoliosis).
    TreeRon
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 205
    Joined: Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:48 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:31 am
  • TreeRon wrote:Where is this "Russ has slowed down" stuff coming from? Are these simply eye-ball tests that simply get repeated? Is it his age? He's 29 years old ! Justin Gaitlin is 36 and won the world 100 meters LY (9.92). Usain Bolt just retired at 32 (he has scoliosis).


    The slowed down comes straight out of the ass and gets used because it cannot be proven otherwise. People surmise that because he was run down on a few sacks he lost his speed. Reality is, he hung in the pocket longer and lost that first early step and his jump to escape. Russell had 4.55 speed and there are linebackers that are faster than that not to mention DB's and safeties. Fact is he has always been slower than many players chasing him. :roll:
    User avatar
    Seymour
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 5093
    Joined: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:41 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:33 am
  • RCATES wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:You have to look at the alternatives.

    Is Seattle going to replace Russ? With what?

    Almost all of the #1 overall picks that were QBs are worse than Russ.


    It's a fair point, but it's not going to stay that way for long. Russ can't rely on his athleticism forever. If he can't improve some fundamentals, he might become pretty mediocre.


    To make this full circle

    How many even potentially available QBs are

    1. Are not early in their rookie contract?
    2. Are not likely to be extended by their respective team on a 2nd or 3rd contract circumventing free agency possibilities?
    3. Would be cost equal or less than RW now and potentially in the future?
    4. Are actually as good if not better than RW while not falling under consideration #2 or #3?

    We're talking about potentially 1 or 2 players per season, right?

    Or we draft his replacement next season which has its own qualifiers.

    I hope rcates is working on a time machine because he must be the most miserable hawks fan out there.


    I'm a club level season ticket holder. The difference between me and you is that I'm not blinded by past success. Wilson has regressed and can no longer rely on his speed which has also seemed to evaporate. There is no replacement in sight unless you do what Vikings did and sign a big name replacement like Cousins. We are basically stuck with Wilson for now. I'm just being a real on Wilson's game. Its even harder watching it in person when you see all the Wr's running wide open waiting for Wilson to bail out of the pocket so he can see.


    So again, nothing to back up your claim except last years stats that showed he had his 2nd best year.

    do you not get a good view of the game in the club level?
    User avatar
    Uncle Si
    * NET Hottie *
     
    Posts: 13335
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:34 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:49 am
  • TreeRon wrote:Where is this "Russ has slowed down" stuff coming from? Are these simply eye-ball tests that simply get repeated? Is it his age? He's 29 years old ! Justin Gaitlin is 36 and won the world 100 meters LY (9.92). Usain Bolt just retired at 32 (he has scoliosis).


    When's the last time you saw Wilson bail and run wide outside the pocket and literally outrun a defender and gain positive yards? Something he used to do on the regular his first few years.
    RCATES
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 417
    Joined: Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:09 am


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:11 pm
  • RCATES wrote:
    TreeRon wrote:Where is this "Russ has slowed down" stuff coming from? Are these simply eye-ball tests that simply get repeated? Is it his age? He's 29 years old ! Justin Gaitlin is 36 and won the world 100 meters LY (9.92). Usain Bolt just retired at 32 (he has scoliosis).


    When's the last time you saw Wilson bail and run wide outside the pocket and literally outrun a defender and gain positive yards? Something he used to do on the regular his first few years.



    So it's strictly eye ball, nothing objective.
    TreeRon
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 205
    Joined: Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:48 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:14 pm
  • RCATES wrote:
    TreeRon wrote:Where is this "Russ has slowed down" stuff coming from? Are these simply eye-ball tests that simply get repeated? Is it his age? He's 29 years old ! Justin Gaitlin is 36 and won the world 100 meters LY (9.92). Usain Bolt just retired at 32 (he has scoliosis).


    When's the last time you saw Wilson bail and run wide outside the pocket and literally outrun a defender and gain positive yards? Something he used to do on the regular his first few years.


    How about 3 defenders....how about last year?? Good lord. What do you watch during games?? He did that time and time again. :roll:

    User avatar
    Seymour
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 5093
    Joined: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:41 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:20 pm
  • RCATES wrote:
    TreeRon wrote:Where is this "Russ has slowed down" stuff coming from? Are these simply eye-ball tests that simply get repeated? Is it his age? He's 29 years old ! Justin Gaitlin is 36 and won the world 100 meters LY (9.92). Usain Bolt just retired at 32 (he has scoliosis).


    When's the last time you saw Wilson bail and run wide outside the pocket and literally outrun a defender and gain positive yards? Something he used to do on the regular his first few years.


    Need more??

    I dare you to watch "your" QB. Ever seen him play?

    User avatar
    Seymour
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 5093
    Joined: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:41 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:20 pm
  • Seymour wrote:
    RCATES wrote:
    TreeRon wrote:Where is this "Russ has slowed down" stuff coming from? Are these simply eye-ball tests that simply get repeated? Is it his age? He's 29 years old ! Justin Gaitlin is 36 and won the world 100 meters LY (9.92). Usain Bolt just retired at 32 (he has scoliosis).


    When's the last time you saw Wilson bail and run wide outside the pocket and literally outrun a defender and gain positive yards? Something he used to do on the regular his first few years.


    How about 3 defenders....how about last year?? Good lord. What do you watch during games?? He did that time and time again. :roll:



    As the game was in Arizona, perhaps he couldnt watch from his skybox prison.
    mrt144
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3014
    Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:21 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:37 pm
  • Wilson's biggest problem is coaches and fans that can't accept the way he plays the game. Hopefully we will win this week by a score of 20 stay in the pockets to 10 stay in the pockets.

    Do I wish Wilson would develop his presnap read ability and ability to throw with more anticipation based off of those reads? Sure. Due to his history of being able to extend plays, with his (elusiveness and quickness, not speed), he tends to gravitate towards seeing a fully open target as opposed to throwing to spots earlier in the down based on coverage and looks. Things that guys like Brady and Rodgers are very proficient at. He also shies away from the check down a little too often because of this play extending ability.

    This absolute obsession with demanding he stand flat footed in the pocket "like all the good ones" is specifically robbing him of what makes him different (and better than a lot of other guys in the league). If I were working with him, I'd be moving his ass all over the place, while specifically working on breaking his habit of turning his back while moving. That's usually where he goes wrong, missing guys while scrambling because he dips deep instead of lateral or forward movement creating his time. If you want him in the pocket, foolishly robbing him of one of his special gifts, start hiring West Coast Coordinators, not play action guys. Need more coaches that coach the man, not their "system".

    Without rewatching the game, I think I saw 2?, read option looks, one very specifically that I remember put him in a staring contest with the chubbiest Outside Linebacker on Denver's squad. He so thoroughly stuffed the ball in the RB's gut that I have no question it was a "read look" and not a "read check". That's a piss poor way to utilize a man of his ability.

    My highschool mediocrity at the QB position back in the day taught me this, at 6' 3" plus, and taller than most all of my linemen, I still needed vision lanes and even then, some throws are purely trust, in your presnap read and in your receiver getting to his spot. The only QB's in the NFL that see it all must be genetically related to snails. Humans typically aren't known to be gifted with eye stalks. In those moments of blindness, I sure wished my cement feet worked a little better than they did...

    P.S. ..and where in the hell are the RPO's. Carson Wentz can do it but not Wilson? NOBODY would be more suited, but POCKET! RUN BALL! THROW DEEP! ....sigh
    Sgt Largent
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 253
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:39 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:42 pm
  • Seymour wrote:
    RCATES wrote:
    TreeRon wrote:Where is this "Russ has slowed down" stuff coming from? Are these simply eye-ball tests that simply get repeated? Is it his age? He's 29 years old ! Justin Gaitlin is 36 and won the world 100 meters LY (9.92). Usain Bolt just retired at 32 (he has scoliosis).


    When's the last time you saw Wilson bail and run wide outside the pocket and literally outrun a defender and gain positive yards? Something he used to do on the regular his first few years.


    Need more??

    I dare you to watch "your" QB. Ever seen him play?



    I believe Wilson clocked the fastest top speed at QB last season.... Albeit chasing down a DB to make the tackle on an INT return. :mrgreen:
    adeltaY
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2934
    Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:22 pm
    Location: Portland, OR


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:46 pm
  • Seymour wrote:
    RCATES wrote:
    TreeRon wrote:Where is this "Russ has slowed down" stuff coming from? Are these simply eye-ball tests that simply get repeated? Is it his age? He's 29 years old ! Justin Gaitlin is 36 and won the world 100 meters LY (9.92). Usain Bolt just retired at 32 (he has scoliosis).


    When's the last time you saw Wilson bail and run wide outside the pocket and literally outrun a defender and gain positive yards? Something he used to do on the regular his first few years.


    Need more??

    I dare you to watch "your" QB. Ever seen him play?




    If too lazy, check out plays 6,5, 4.
    User avatar
    rcaido
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 450
    Joined: Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:47 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:49 pm
  • Dude, the lateral play to Mike Davis @ #8...

    Sure, many are asking 'is that what a QB is supposed to do? So much could go wrong' and to that I respond - this is what makes him what he is - someone willing to do the crazy if it can help at all. That snap against the Vikes in the playoffs that he deftly scooped up and hurled to Lockett? That's in his DNA.
    mrt144
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3014
    Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:21 pm


Re: Cowherd: Seattle Owes Russ
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:58 pm
  • Seymour wrote:
    RCATES wrote:
    TreeRon wrote:Where is this "Russ has slowed down" stuff coming from? Are these simply eye-ball tests that simply get repeated? Is it his age? He's 29 years old ! Justin Gaitlin is 36 and won the world 100 meters LY (9.92). Usain Bolt just retired at 32 (he has scoliosis).


    When's the last time you saw Wilson bail and run wide outside the pocket and literally outrun a defender and gain positive yards? Something he used to do on the regular his first few years.


    Need more??

    I dare you to watch "your" QB. Ever seen him play?





    Exactly one of these plays was, 1..2..3..plant...throw. #2, the redzone seam to Jimmy.

    :sarcasm_on: Maybe this year, if he would finally start behaving like a "REAL" QB, we can all watch his TOP 1 PLAYS of 2018!! :snack:

    Can't wait! :sarcasm_off:
    Sgt Largent
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 253
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:39 pm


Next


It is currently Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:37 pm

Please REGISTER to become a member

Return to [ THE OFFICIAL NET NATION FAN FORUM ]




Information
  • Who is online