Bradley McDougald was fined $26,739

thegreeninyoureye":3mx58six said:

WmHBonney":3mx58six said:

No flag but he still gets fined.
The NFL basically playing Monday morning QB now. How about we start fining the refs when they screw up instead of getting a lame, "Sorry, we got that call wrong last Sunday but we'll try not to do it again."?

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That is a great idea there really is no difference! The shield wouldn't admit when they are wrong tho or when they do nothing happens. When they are in the wrong teams should be able to fine them for more cap space!

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To be honest I thought he got away with one during the game. Luckily it didn’t get called and cost the team the 15 yard penalty. It clearly was a helmet to helmet hit Two weeks in a row two receivers get knocked out of the game by concussions from hits delivered by the secondary. The NFL is paying attention.

I like the idea of fining Carr for a throw that led his receiver into that hit. It was as clean as McDougal could make it in the moment, did his best to lead with his shoulder. Short of being a gymnast, not that much more McDougal could reasonably do. NFL second-guessing.

In soccer, it's called a "Hospital Ball" when you make a pass to a teammate that leads them straight into a violent collision. Carr totally threw a Hospital Ball pass on that one.

We shouldn't be arguing about this. There should only be a penalty and a fine if there is intent to strike with the helmet.

I was surprised it wasnt flagged. Cooper was bending down to catch the ball before McDougald went low. He could have avoided hemlmet to helmet contact. Not saying it was malicious, but he could have avoided it.

The next CB agreement is going to be a bloodbath.

Totally clean hit. Weak

I think he needs to appeal this fine. It seems to be knee jerk stuff and pretty unfair considering that the receiver dropped his head into the tackle. There was no targeting with the helmet here which is the evil proscribed, it was a hard tackle no doubt but the helmet was not used as a tool to punish or make the tackle.

jeremiah":s7an9lt4 said:

We shouldn't be arguing about this. There should only be a penalty and a fine if there is intent to strike with the helmet.

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The rule doesn't care about intent, the rules states that the player can't initiate contact or lead with his helmet on a tackle...........which McDougald did.

We can argue about how dumb, vague and poorly officiated the new rule is, which it certainly is all of these. But as far as letter of the rule, it should have been called, and McDougald should have been fined.

Sgt. Largent":26mcup5q said:

jeremiah":26mcup5q said:

We shouldn't be arguing about this. There should only be a penalty and a fine if there is intent to strike with the helmet.

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The rule doesn't care about intent, the rules states that the player can't initiate contact or lead with his helmet on a tackle...........which McDougald did.

We can argue about how dumb, vague and poorly officiated the new rule is, which it certainly is all of these. But as far as letter of the rule, it should have been called, and McDougald should have been fined.

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Sarge is taking the words right out of my mouth!! To the rest of you, your homer-ism is shining through. Do a little thought experiment. Exact same play but instead of Amari Cooper it was Tyler locket who is hit by Reggie Nelson. We would have been screaming for the flag (Refs are horse dung!) and demanded he be fined by the shield. You know its true.

Regarding an ex-player as a commissioner...The commissioner is the owners employee. Why would they want to hire a commissioner who is not looking out for the owners interest. I may disagree with a lot of the owners but when it comes to running their businesses, they are all well above average. Maybe the CEO of Boeing should make the union president the chairman of the board. sounds kind of stupid in that context.

It was a clean hit, period. Even the announcers were saying so. Has zero to do with what team it was.

SoulfishHawk":37mx8w4t said:

It was a clean hit, period. Even the announcers were saying so. Has zero to do with what team it was.

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It's almost impossible to lead with your helmet anymore than McDougald did on this it. It's literally a textbook example of the penalty. Both the crown and contact initiated with helmet.

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Confusing that people are seeing it any other way.

xray":3dckrqog said:

John Madden said on many occasions " lets put skirts on em " when commenting about unnecessary roughness calls on everyone especially QBs...Maybe we just put flags on em and be done with it. Then I stop watching. I can get another useless hobby .LOL

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Lol imagine if he said that now.. he'd have angry feminists lined up at his door

Meh, matter of opinion I guess.

Camera angles are very important. Watch the full replay from the back view and front view (youtube above) you can clearly see he leads with his shoulder. He does hit him in the head but IMO he is not leading with his helmet.

Sprfunk":2avjr8qw said:

Camera angles are very important. Watch the full replay from the back view and front view (youtube above) you can clearly see he leads with his shoulder. He does hit him in the head but IMO he is not leading with his helmet.

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This. If you look from directly behind and not the side view camera, the hit was shoulder to shoulder. Just so happens that both players have two heads attached to those shoulders and they collided as well.

What the field judge saw from his angle behind the play would have been a legal hit.

McDougald led with his shoulder, helmet got into the tackle because of, well, anatomy and physics. And the NFL deems that should be fined. I honestly have no answer for defensive players anymore. I don't know what McDougald could have done in that "bang-bang" situation short of taking Cooper's helmet on his own chin if he just stood there trying to wrap up.

You either stop with this fining nonsense and let them play with waivers or you put flags on them all and be done with it.

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The problem is that his helmet hit Cooper’s. He may have led with the shoulder, but his head dipped down and their helmets collided. Whether we agree with it or not, that is going to get called out by the league as a violation of the rule.

Of course Seahawks fans are up in arms about this. Of course they are.

Guys, it is this simple.....

If you're a receiver, and you have to go down to catch a ball or whatever, you have to be able to do so without risking being knocked out cold. It is the simplest rule in the book....do whatever you have to do to make sure the receiver doesn't get knocked out. It's that simple.


In this case, it would have involved tackling with his head behind, which ironically enough has been named a "Hawk" tackle, as we do it more often than anyone else in the NFL.

Just have to do whatever it takes to not knock someone out.

SoulfishHawk":2e030evg said:

It was a clean hit, period. Even the announcers were saying so. Has zero to do with what team it was.

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there is a way to conduct that hit cleanly, and that wasn't it.

sc85sis":3nlhyeye said:

The problem is that his helmet hit Cooper’s. He may have led with the shoulder, but his head dipped down and their helmets collided. Whether we agree with it or not, that is going to get called out by the league as a violation of the rule.

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Reason and logic have no place here when discussing negative things a Seahawk did.