Pay Wilson Or Not..

Scorpion05 · Jan 13, 2019

In the last 10+ years, the teams who have won a SB had good to great QB play. The idea that you can get away with average QB play in 2018 is laughable. You can make the playoffs sure, but you won't win jack. The Conference championship games next weekend will have Mahomes, who played at an MVP level this year. Brady, which is self explanatory. Brees, who's elite, and Nick Foles...who's playing at a high level. You're not going to get that far with an Alex Smith, Hasselbeck type of QB. Period

chris98251 · Jan 13, 2019

Scorpion05":1ougyk26 said:
In the last 10+ years, the teams who have won a SB had good to great QB play. The idea that you can get away with average QB play in 2018 is laughable. You can make the playoffs sure, but you won't win jack. The Conference championship games next weekend will have Mahomes, who played at an MVP level this year. Brady, which is self explanatory. Brees, who's elite, and Nick Foles...who's playing at a high level. You're not going to get that far with an Alex Smith, Hasselbeck type of QB. Period

LOL you include Foles who was going to retire and was considered a wash out 3 years ago, which is it?

A coach saw something he could work with in his system and Foles thrived, again it's about system and Coaches putting players in situations they can succeed, much like Bradford in Minnesota two years ago.

The QB has to have a certain level of talent, a team around him that can complement the system and you can win.

mrt144 · Jan 13, 2019

chris98251":2apqv83m said:
Scorpion05":2apqv83m said:

In the last 10+ years, the teams who have won a SB had good to great QB play. The idea that you can get away with average QB play in 2018 is laughable. You can make the playoffs sure, but you won't win jack. The Conference championship games next weekend will have Mahomes, who played at an MVP level this year. Brady, which is self explanatory. Brees, who's elite, and Nick Foles...who's playing at a high level. You're not going to get that far with an Alex Smith, Hasselbeck type of QB. Period

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LOL you include Foles who was going to retire and was considered a wash out 3 years ago, which is it?

A coach saw something he could work with in his system and Foles thrived, again it's about system and Coaches putting players in situations they can succeed, much like Bradford in Minnesota two years ago.

The QB has to have a certain level of talent, a team around him that can complement the system and you can win.

Pederson doing more with less?

chris98251 · Jan 13, 2019

mrt144":1t0ss0o0 said:
chris98251":1t0ss0o0 said:

Scorpion05":1t0ss0o0 said:

In the last 10+ years, the teams who have won a SB had good to great QB play. The idea that you can get away with average QB play in 2018 is laughable. You can make the playoffs sure, but you won't win jack. The Conference championship games next weekend will have Mahomes, who played at an MVP level this year. Brady, which is self explanatory. Brees, who's elite, and Nick Foles...who's playing at a high level. You're not going to get that far with an Alex Smith, Hasselbeck type of QB. Period

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LOL you include Foles who was going to retire and was considered a wash out 3 years ago, which is it?

A coach saw something he could work with in his system and Foles thrived, again it's about system and Coaches putting players in situations they can succeed, much like Bradford in Minnesota two years ago.

The QB has to have a certain level of talent, a team around him that can complement the system and you can win.

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Pederson doing more with less?

Foles is not the physical speciman that Wentz is, but he does play smart and within the framework Pederson has designed for him. So in that aspect yes.

Scorpion05 · Jan 13, 2019

IndyHawk":3td53uwa said:
hgwellz12":3td53uwa said:

Great posts @Scorpion! You really do "get it".
And I applaud your tenacity in explaining the nuts & bolts of your perspective on this largely ridiculous 'question'.
The FACT remains that, outside of the few here who simply don't like RW3, (and i have 1 or 2 theories as to WHY) there's absolutely NO REASON for the Seahawks organization to even consider not paying him the money he will end up with in his bank account when the time comes. This is an ENTERTAINMENT business first, and a SPORT second. Letting Russell end up on any other team in this league would literally probably start a REGION WIDE riot. No offense OP, but this entire premise is just damn stupid.

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I fail to be entertained with the idea of no chance at SB's..
Lucky to make playoffs to be one and done..
If that's how it's going to be because of cap induced
holes,what is the point?
It's not my fault GM's got stupid in overpaying QB's
and others inflated other spots to create the
"Black hole" shall we call it?I mean how does a team
counter these problems besides making moves
that go against popular thinking?You either make
the high paying QB obsolete or you don't pay for
a Defense and hope for the best.
That isn't football ..That is pathetic.

The only issue with the way QBs are paid today, is that many are getting paid when they're not worth it.

Paying Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Derek Carr, or even Dak is ridiculously stupid. Paying Cam Newton is debatable only because of what he can do with his legs. Otherwise, they cannot carry teams

Paying a turnover machine like Andrew Luck is also stupid. Ditto the famous underachiever known as Philip Rivers

There are very few Qbs that you pay that much money to. Those are the QBs that elevate average receivers, elevate your overall offense, and are worth the money. You can build a SB team while paying those QBs. Otherwise you're screwed. Same goes for game changing players, like Khalil Mack or Aaron Donald. The Bears probably miss the playoffs without Mack, and Donald is a game changer that can elevate your defense

Brady, Wilson, Brees, Rodgers, Mahomes(assuming he keeps this up).. they're worth the money. They'll get you about 30 TDs a year, minimal turnovers, and they can pull a game out when everything's on the line. They can perform without a running game, or great receivers, or a perfect situation. Paying any other QB on the high end is extremely debatable.

MeanBlueGreen · Jan 18, 2019

Spin Doctor":1nvr1j9q said:
Scorpion05":1nvr1j9q said:

A couple points:

One, there will be a market for KJ. There will always be a market for Pete’s defensive players, and KJ played at a really high level and did this year when healthy. Keyword on health

Second, if Nick Foles becomes a free agent, he’ll command top money. More than Tannehill that’s for damn sure. And you’re absolutely silly if you think Pederson and Schotty are on the same level playcalling wise. Pederson is an elite playcaller, and the Eagles are much better in the trenches than us. It’s a lot more than just getting Foles, you might as well bring over the entire staff and personnel

You CAN build a Super Bowl team around a winning QB. The Patriots go cheap all the time, don’t pay any superstars and still manage to make it. The Falcons manage to pay Julio Jones and Matt Ryan, and they made it. The Steelers and Chargers are extremely talented but Rivers isn’t on a rookie contract. This narrative that a Super Bowl run can only happen with a young QB is media driven, lazy thinking nonsense. It can happen with a well built team and a top tier QB.

Ironically, the whole concept of win a Super Bowl from a great roster and young QB is basically what we did. This is such a copycat league, no one can think for themselves. Also explains the fake McVay hires as well. The problem is, Jackson, Watson, Dak, etc. are nowhere near as clutch and dynamic as young Russell Wilson was. There have been several Top defenses and running games in the league, and they haven’t won a Super Bowl? Why? Because Wilson wasn’t just a game manager when we won it all. If it was that simple, if all it took was a great running game and defense, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, and Mitch Trubisky would have a Super Bowl. Draft well on defense, get a solid WR, get O-line depth and we will win our second Super Bowl

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The Patriots have a QB that purposely gives his team a home town discount. In his Super Bowl win in the 2014 season against the Seahawks he had only the 12th largest salary. In 2017 he had the 20th largest salary among active QB's.

The Seahawks won the Super Bowl because they had a good defense, as well as a good QB, and running game. When I say good defense, it was a defense that many say may be the best in NFL history. The 2013 Seahawks are talked about as having one of the best rosters of all time. On offense the weapons were actually very solid. We had Doug Baldwin, and Golden Tate, both 1000 yard receivers in the subsequent years, Kearse who was a fantastic role player, and Zach Miller who was a really good TE. We were absolutely loaded on both sides of the ball. To compare those other teams to the Seahawks just because they had a good running game, and decent QB doesn't do how good the roster was that we had justice. It isn't a straight across comparison.

Wilson played his part there too, but our Super Bowl win, and every other team that wins a Super Bowl does so due to the overall team. The Falcon, and Cowboy teams aren't even in the same stratosphere as the 2013 team. QB's are indeed the single most important player on the team, but they are only one of 52. All of the pieces have to galvanize and come together to win a Super Bowl.

So you're basically saying we won the Super Bowl because we had an excellent Defense and a great Offense which included a great running back and a good to great QB? You left out the most important person out of that equation - our future HOF coach, who coaxed an elite defense out of multiple UDFAs...

Sgt. Largent · Jan 18, 2019

Scorpion05":24lsy1vv said:
The only issue with the way QBs are paid today, is that many are getting paid when they're not worth it.

Right, and it's why you already answered the OP's question............when you have a top 10 QB, you have no choice but to pay him, or else you become one of the have nots overpaying stiffs like Cousins, Stafford, Carr, etc. year after year because you're desperate.

I have no problem with Pete and John's philosophy of going young and hungry with spending money in free agency on D-line help to build another elite defense, and paying Russell.

Because again, the alternative is to become a have not constantly swinging and missing on QB's.

TreeRon · Jan 18, 2019

iigakusei":348ydbg1 said:
Probably shouldn’t ever draft or start an African American QB either since there has only ever been 2 to win it all.

Ditto for those who's grandafther was president of a university.

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