The Big Prototypical #1 WR

SoulfishHawk":25lisuo4 said:

It's pretty cold outside this morning. Thanks a lot Russ.

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Snowed here yesterday and today,....thanks a lot Russ.

Seahawkfan80":mjn7kphj said:

SoulfishHawk":mjn7kphj said:

It's pretty cold outside this morning. Thanks a lot Russ.

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Snowed here yesterday and today,....thanks a lot Russ.

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After the Dallas loss the storm blew down 5 trees across our road and we lost power for 4 days.

Thanks a lot Russ.

So, Graham does absolutely nothing in GB, and was fairly productive the last 2 seasons here in the Red Zone. But somehow Lord Rodgers or Jimmy Graham are both above any criticism? hmmm

SoulfishHawk":mw9y751e said:

So, Graham does absolutely nothing in GB, and was fairly productive the last 2 seasons here in the Red Zone. But somehow Lord Rodgers or Jimmy Graham are both above any criticism? hmmm

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They took care of "the problem". :roll:

Yep, it's clearly the coaches fault he looked uninterested and slow this year.

Seymour":eiuifq4v said:

SoulfishHawk":eiuifq4v said:

So, Graham does absolutely nothing in GB, and was fairly productive the last 2 seasons here in the Red Zone. But somehow Lord Rodgers or Jimmy Graham are both above any criticism? hmmm

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They took care of "the problem". :roll:

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The problem wasn't McCarthy, the problem is Rodgers turned into Jeff George and is impossible for his coaches and teammates to deal with.

So we'll see how much better LeFleur handles Rodgers.

Part of our offensive identity is minimising turnovers by throwing to open receivers. We've all seen Wilson pull down a potential throw to a partially-covered receiver waiting for him to get more separation.

The big guys don't tend to get that separation, so are at greater risk for interception on a errant throw or a great play by a DB. Guys like Lockett get that kind of separation, and Wilson takes advantage of it to torch defenses in relative safety.

We also distribute the ball around quite a lot. It doesn't make sense to invest heavily in a top-flight WR only to target him 3-4 times a game. We get excellent value from Baldwin and Lockett because they take advantage of the targets they do get, and because they are willing and able to do all the other jobs required of them - decoying, blocking, picking, leading, etc. and in fact pride themselves on doing those other jobs well. If the pass is called for Lockett, Baldwin will do his best to sell his route instead of taking a play off.

Put Baldwin on another team and he's a perennial pro-bowler and main target. But he understands his role in Seattle and does the best he possibly can at it.

With bit flashy WRs come big flashy egos, and an unwillingness to do all the other stuff that makes Baldwin so special.

So in short, we don't pick high enough to get a top-flight WR generally, and if we did we wouldn't utilise him enough to justify the selection, and if we did get such a guy he wouldn't work as well with the rest of the offense.

Largent makes a very good point here. Rodgers spends more time calling out his receivers and/or whining to the refs than he does trying to be a leader and/or making those around him better. If you were a WR for the Packers would you want to play hard for that guy? I doubt it.

Sgt. Largent":2z728tm7 said:

The problem wasn't McCarthy....

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The eye roll in my post denotes sarcasm.

KiwiHawk":gbso7604 said:

Put Baldwin on another team and he's a perennial pro-bowler and main target. But he understands his role in Seattle and does the best he possibly can at it.

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If Baldwin plays his entire career in Seattle, I'd say that he makes the Ring of Honor.

Scorpion05":3gp05wa1 said:

LymonHawk":3gp05wa1 said:

IMHO: The main reason Graham didn't shine here was RW's weakness in throwing a fade pass....YMMV.

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Lol

Yea let’s ignore his production in Green Bay and instead explain it away with RW narratives

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Are you implying RW is good at throwing fades? LOL!

The polar ice cap is melting.
Thanks a lot Russ.

I don't know that we'd want a Big Prototypical #1 WR. The only single point of failure we have on this team is Russell and that's kind of unavoidable.

To "win forever" you have to be resilient. That means you need to be deep, and have a lot of good players capable of making plays instead of a few marquee players with a cast of scrubs. We showed this season that even though we had big names like Sherman, Bennett, Graham, and Chancellor; we didn't need them to be successful.

I'd be happy if we never traded for another Harvin, Rice, or Graham again. Too much capital. Too much risk. Give me 4 #2-ish receivers so I can exploit a match up against your 4th DB or force you to zone all game because you can't cover us all in man.

David Sills 6'3" 203 west Virginia

Chawker":8bnlznzs said:

David Sills 6'3" 203 west Virginia

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6'3" 203 is not big.


6'5" 245 is big.


Northwestern State redshirt junior WR Jazz Ferguson declared for the 2019 NFL Draft.
Ferguson (6'5/223) comes equipped with an NFL-ready frame and is fresh off a slick 2018 campaign in which he registered a 66-1117-13 receiving line while averaging 16.9 yards per reception. He is going to have to satisfactorily answer some questions from pro teams if he is to receive legitimate draft interest, as he was indefinitely suspended from LSU in the fall of 2016 due to a reported failed drug test, a suspension which eventually led to his Northwestern State transfer. Ferguson will look to claw his way into the Day 3 mix come the spring.


This kid could grow into that.

What’s the point?

In this system, you’d be spending top draft capital (and hard cash) on a WR who just won’t get the ball as often as a Julio Jones/Brandon Marshall/A.N. Other type player. That’s the system, that’s how it runs here. (Pete’s not changing his mind, so we can’t do anything about the system)

Which would be followed every week by wailing and nashing of teeth about why we can’t get him the ball more often (which would descend into criticism of Russ/Pete/Schotty)

As others have said, the closest example of this is Jimmy Graham, and most were happy to see him leave. Why would you want to do that again?

I’d rather a slippery WR who can get open consistently, than one who invites 50/50 jump ball situations because he’s a bit taller.




Off-thought: Wasn’t (the healthy) Sidney Rice just great? Remember those moments where he’d just appear underneath a Wilson pass and everyone would sit there going “How did that happen?”

Good times.

I'm with Lymon, Russell's strength is not the back shoulder fade. Just because he's not great at it doesnt imply that he's a horrible quarterback just that he doesn't throw that style of pass very well.

One thing this team stuggles with is pressure in predictable passing situtions, if you watch the Arizona game you know what i mean. They would get us in 3rd and 8 and bring the house. When we get into these sitution there is no time for Doug to use a double move to get open or Lockett to out run someone to a spot. This is where a DeAndre Hopkins/DaVonte Adams shine, they run a go route and throw the back should fade to a spot for 12 yards and a first down.

David Moore showed flashes of being that guy this year and hopefully he contunues to get develop and his hands get a little better too.

IMHO opinion, Pete Carroll will always look for tall WRs

-2010. Signed 6-5 Mike Williams. He also tried out 6-4 Reggie Williams
-2011. Signed 6-4 Sidney Rice. He also drafted 6-5 Kris Durham
-2012. 6-3 Terrell Owens signs contract.
-2015. Signed 6-5 Chris Matthews
-2016. Signed 6-6 Tanner McEvoy
-2018. Signed 6-5 Brandon Marshall

Here's a mock draft that has us picking N'Keal Murray at #21.

I like it.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/new ... the-board/

chris98251":1hr9w9q6 said:

Chawker":1hr9w9q6 said:

David Sills 6'3" 203 west Virginia

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6'3" 203 is not big.


6'5" 245 is big.


Northwestern State redshirt junior WR Jazz Ferguson declared for the 2019 NFL Draft.
Ferguson (6'5/223) comes equipped with an NFL-ready frame and is fresh off a slick 2018 campaign in which he registered a 66-1117-13 receiving line while averaging 16.9 yards per reception. He is going to have to satisfactorily answer some questions from pro teams if he is to receive legitimate draft interest, as he was indefinitely suspended from LSU in the fall of 2016 due to a reported failed drug test, a suspension which eventually led to his Northwestern State transfer. Ferguson will look to claw his way into the Day 3 mix come the spring.


This kid could grow into that.

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His size is almost TE territory, Tony Gonzalez was 6'5" 247lbs per wiki, same as this kid although Jazz was listed as 225lbs on some websites. Tony did run a 4.47 sec 40 yards and a good/willing blocker.