Seahawks Will Win Another Super Bowl By 2022. Book It.

beaumaris · Jan 22, 2019

That Dallas game reminded me of our loss to Atlanta,the season before we won it all.
I was convinced back then that we would go on to win 3-4 SB's after the Falcon loss,and we should really have done three at least.

oldhawkfan · Jan 22, 2019

I’m on board. Here’s why:

10-6 in a rebuilding year.
Team trending upward.
GM, head coach, QB all on same page.
Cornerstone pieces in place on both offense and defense that know what it takes.
Young hungry players.

Rams will fall back to the pack. They have 12 UFAs this off season. Goff’s contract is up after the 2019 season and he will cost a bunch to resign. They went all in this year. If the Seahawks don’t overtake them in 2019, they will for sure in 2020.
That will go a long way towards getting the much needed home playoff games.

Those that think it will take another defense like the LOB led defense maybe disappointed. That defense was a once in a generation defense. They are easily top 5 all time and are arguably the best ever. A competitive top 5 defense in any given year is probably the best we can hope for. Expecting another defense like the one from 2012-2016 is a dream and highly unlikely. As much as defense wins championships has been the narrative, a top defense is not completely needed to win an Owl. Many forget or just plain dismiss that the 2018 Seahawks offense was the second highest scoring team in its history.

I believe they will win one in the next few years, mainly because of Pete. The next Seahawks team to win the Owl probably won’t have an LOB caliber defense but will most likely be more balanced between the offense and defense. Arguably the most important position on the field is held by a guy who is just now entering the prime years of his playing career.

Seanhawk · Jan 22, 2019

beaumaris":36c3pp7n said:
That Dallas game reminded me of our loss to Atlanta,the season before we won it all.
I was convinced back then that we would go on to win 3-4 SB's after the Falcon loss,and we should really have done three at least.

The Carolina playoff loss felt more like the Atlanta loss than the Cowboy one to me.

TheLegendOfBoom · Jan 22, 2019

A rising team in a market that the NFL wants to succeed will find favorable officiating.

Whatever that team is will find a lot of success.

If the Seahawks can be that "It" team again (high popularity), then, they have a shot.

If not then, whoever the new owner is, pretty much, can make or break the Seahawks future.

Spin Doctor · Jan 22, 2019

Never again under Carroll, not going to happen. He is a good coach, but he doesn't have the chops to take us to the big game anymore.

The rosters that he had in 2012, 2013 and 2014 were historically good, and quite rightfully have earned their spot as one of the best units of all time. That unit was able to be assembled due to all of our star players being in their rookie contracts at the same time. It was a perfect storm. Not only were the Seahawks one of the best defenses of all time, but they also annihilated the best offense of all time.

That same roster is impossible to build with the looming Frank Clark, Reed, and Russell Wilson contracts on the horizons. In 2012 the Seahawks already had one of the highest DVOA's of all time. Due to the a large, untapped cap-space being available we were able to go out and get guys like Bennett, Cliff Avril, and McDaniel, the year prior we went out and built our line with guys like McQuiston and Breno Giacomini. We spent a lot of money in free agency, as well as drafted or traded for multiple HOFers.

Pete Carroll is unlikely to ever repeat this type of roster again. It was a historical team, yet even so they under-performed for what they had. Carroll is a great motivator, and he is also very good at seeing things in players that others don't at the defensive position. He is the kind of guy you want to put together a program for you. That being said he comes with some significant downsides.

On offense he tends to hire retreads, and he tends to take control here. He has an unrelenting approach to the game. It works more times than not, but often times he is unable to adapt to what the opposition is throwing at him. If his initial gameplan gets foiled, he seems to struggle to get back into the game on offense. He doesn't like adjusting.

What Pete Carroll is at this point in time is good ol' Marty Schottenheimer. A coach that never has a losing season, but really will struggle come post-season. Since that fateful Super Bowl mishap we are under .500 in the playoffs. It has become abundantly clear to me that the 2013, and 2014 team masked many of his in game coaching faults.

Carroll needs to take a step back. He needs to be a Mike Tomlin sort of coach. A guy that comes up with the general plan, and program but leaves the in game stuff to his coordinators. In this sort of role he could be very successful if he hired the right people. I just don't think he has it in him to do that.

chris98251 · Jan 22, 2019

TheLegendOfBoom":x8vsw7b7 said:
A rising team in a market that the NFL wants to succeed will find favorable officiating.

Whatever that team is will find a lot of success.

If the Seahawks can be that "It" team again (high popularity), then, they have a shot.

If not then, whoever the new owner is, pretty much, can make or break the Seahawks future.

Her name is Jody Allen and she doesn't look like she is going anywhere just yet.

Spin Doctor · Jan 22, 2019

chris98251":utngudyi said:
TheLegendOfBoom":utngudyi said:

A rising team in a market that the NFL wants to succeed will find favorable officiating.

Whatever that team is will find a lot of success.

If the Seahawks can be that "It" team again (high popularity), then, they have a shot.

If not then, whoever the new owner is, pretty much, can make or break the Seahawks future.

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Her name is Jody Allen and she doesn't look like she is going anywhere just yet.

Could take awhile to sell the Seahawks, they say this could end up as the most expensive sports team ever sold.

HawaiiD · Jan 23, 2019

Depends if a contract for DangeRuss gets done within the next 2. I'd say +50%

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Seymour · Jan 23, 2019

Spin Doctor":2yi80tlo said:
......That same roster is impossible to build with the looming Frank Clark, Reed, and Russell Wilson contracts on the horizons.

You forgot another big one. Bobby Wagner too.

DomeHawk · Jan 23, 2019

Spin Doctor":17y7dwnr said:
Never again under Carroll, not going to happen. He is a good coach, but he doesn't have the chops to take us to the big game anymore.

The rosters that he had in 2012, 2013 and 2014 were historically good, and quite rightfully have earned their spot as one of the best units of all time. That unit was able to be assembled due to all of our star players being in their rookie contracts at the same time. It was a perfect storm. Not only were the Seahawks one of the best defenses of all time, but they also annihilated the best offense of all time.

That same roster is impossible to build with the looming Frank Clark, Reed, and Russell Wilson contracts on the horizons. In 2012 the Seahawks already had one of the highest DVOA's of all time. Due to the a large, untapped cap-space being available we were able to go out and get guys like Bennett, Cliff Avril, and McDaniel, the year prior we went out and built our line with guys like McQuiston and Breno Giacomini. We spent a lot of money in free agency, as well as drafted or traded for multiple HOFers.

Pete Carroll is unlikely to ever repeat this type of roster again. It was a historical team, yet even so they under-performed for what they had. Carroll is a great motivator, and he is also very good at seeing things in players that others don't at the defensive position. He is the kind of guy you want to put together a program for you. That being said he comes with some significant downsides.

On offense he tends to hire retreads, and he tends to take control here. He has an unrelenting approach to the game. It works more times than not, but often times he is unable to adapt to what the opposition is throwing at him. If his initial gameplan gets foiled, he seems to struggle to get back into the game on offense. He doesn't like adjusting.

What Pete Carroll is at this point in time is good ol' Marty Schottenheimer. A coach that never has a losing season, but really will struggle come post-season. Since that fateful Super Bowl mishap we are under .500 in the playoffs. It has become abundantly clear to me that the 2013, and 2014 team masked many of his in game coaching faults.

Carroll needs to take a step back. He needs to be a Mike Tomlin sort of coach. A guy that comes up with the general plan, and program but leaves the in game stuff to his coordinators. In this sort of role he could be very successful if he hired the right people. I just don't think he has it in him to do that.

Take a step back and go out and hire the best offensive mind out there regardless of money.

Then, stay completely out of the offense, he's no good at it both in - in-game calls AND general philosophy.

Seymour · Jan 23, 2019

DomeHawk":2cfqibdw said:
Take a step back and go out and hire the best offensive mind out there regardless of money.

Then, stay completely out of the offense, he's no good at it both in - in-game calls AND general philosophy.

Too late!! Detroit beat them to it. :lol: :lol: :twisted:

soxhawk · Jan 23, 2019

Spin Doctor":3428d5p9 said:
Never again under Carroll, not going to happen. He is a good coach, but he doesn't have the chops to take us to the big game anymore.

The rosters that he had in 2012, 2013 and 2014 were historically good, and quite rightfully have earned their spot as one of the best units of all time. That unit was able to be assembled due to all of our star players being in their rookie contracts at the same time. It was a perfect storm. Not only were the Seahawks one of the best defenses of all time, but they also annihilated the best offense of all time.

That same roster is impossible to build with the looming Frank Clark, Reed, and Russell Wilson contracts on the horizons. In 2012 the Seahawks already had one of the highest DVOA's of all time. Due to the a large, untapped cap-space being available we were able to go out and get guys like Bennett, Cliff Avril, and McDaniel, the year prior we went out and built our line with guys like McQuiston and Breno Giacomini. We spent a lot of money in free agency, as well as drafted or traded for multiple HOFers.

Pete Carroll is unlikely to ever repeat this type of roster again. It was a historical team, yet even so they under-performed for what they had. Carroll is a great motivator, and he is also very good at seeing things in players that others don't at the defensive position. He is the kind of guy you want to put together a program for you. That being said he comes with some significant downsides.

On offense he tends to hire retreads, and he tends to take control here. He has an unrelenting approach to the game. It works more times than not, but often times he is unable to adapt to what the opposition is throwing at him. If his initial gameplan gets foiled, he seems to struggle to get back into the game on offense. He doesn't like adjusting.

What Pete Carroll is at this point in time is good ol' Marty Schottenheimer. A coach that never has a losing season, but really will struggle come post-season. Since that fateful Super Bowl mishap we are under .500 in the playoffs. It has become abundantly clear to me that the 2013, and 2014 team masked many of his in game coaching faults.

Carroll needs to take a step back. He needs to be a Mike Tomlin sort of coach. A guy that comes up with the general plan, and program but leaves the in game stuff to his coordinators. In this sort of role he could be very successful if he hired the right people. I just don't think he has it in him to do that.

Agree with this. We had the cheap QB, star studded D, and we blew the Super Bowl. That had a lasting effect for the following seasons and probably cost us one or two more appearances. Unless Wilson takes a hometown discount ala Tom Brady, this team will not be good enough to win it all. He's a great QB, but I'd rather have Rodgers, Brees, or Luck at top dollar. Our front office isn't nailing draft picks year after year, so we need that extra $ to go out and sign someone like Suh or Mack to help make the team more championship ready.

Seymour · Jan 23, 2019

soxhawk":r6gn2a4s said:
Spin Doctor":r6gn2a4s said:

Never again under Carroll, not going to happen. He is a good coach, but he doesn't have the chops to take us to the big game anymore.

The rosters that he had in 2012, 2013 and 2014 were historically good, and quite rightfully have earned their spot as one of the best units of all time. That unit was able to be assembled due to all of our star players being in their rookie contracts at the same time. It was a perfect storm. Not only were the Seahawks one of the best defenses of all time, but they also annihilated the best offense of all time.

That same roster is impossible to build with the looming Frank Clark, Reed, and Russell Wilson contracts on the horizons. In 2012 the Seahawks already had one of the highest DVOA's of all time. Due to the a large, untapped cap-space being available we were able to go out and get guys like Bennett, Cliff Avril, and McDaniel, the year prior we went out and built our line with guys like McQuiston and Breno Giacomini. We spent a lot of money in free agency, as well as drafted or traded for multiple HOFers.

Pete Carroll is unlikely to ever repeat this type of roster again. It was a historical team, yet even so they under-performed for what they had. Carroll is a great motivator, and he is also very good at seeing things in players that others don't at the defensive position. He is the kind of guy you want to put together a program for you. That being said he comes with some significant downsides.

On offense he tends to hire retreads, and he tends to take control here. He has an unrelenting approach to the game. It works more times than not, but often times he is unable to adapt to what the opposition is throwing at him. If his initial gameplan gets foiled, he seems to struggle to get back into the game on offense. He doesn't like adjusting.

What Pete Carroll is at this point in time is good ol' Marty Schottenheimer. A coach that never has a losing season, but really will struggle come post-season. Since that fateful Super Bowl mishap we are under .500 in the playoffs. It has become abundantly clear to me that the 2013, and 2014 team masked many of his in game coaching faults.

Carroll needs to take a step back. He needs to be a Mike Tomlin sort of coach. A guy that comes up with the general plan, and program but leaves the in game stuff to his coordinators. In this sort of role he could be very successful if he hired the right people. I just don't think he has it in him to do that.

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Agree with this. We had the cheap QB, star studded D, and we blew the Super Bowl. That had a lasting effect for the following seasons and probably cost us one or two more appearances. Unless Wilson takes a hometown discount ala Tom Brady, this team will not be good enough to win it all. He's a great QB, but I'd rather have Rodgers, Brees, or Luck at top dollar. Our front office isn't nailing draft picks year after year, so we need that extra $ to go out and sign someone like Suh or Mack to help make the team more championship ready.

You are going to pay more for Luck than Wilson and expect to go somewhere? LMAO.....not happening.

ukeface:

JGfromtheNW · Jan 23, 2019

Spin Doctor":bmo0a3lz said:
Never again under Carroll, not going to happen. He is a good coach, but he doesn't have the chops to take us to the big game anymore.

Sadly this is how I really feel. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I fear that we can't get back with Carroll at the helm. The main reason?

The complete failure to provide RW with even an average offensive line. IMO it's absolutely unacceptable that we identified our franchise QB in 2012 and still do not have an offensive line that can consistently pass block for the man. Yes, we've had lines that have made a positive impact in the running game, but we have absolutely failed to build around RW.

Other than hiring Solari and seeing improvement in the running game, there is nothing that has happened over the last year to change my mind on that.

soxhawk · Jan 23, 2019

Seymour":slxiw2ns said:
soxhawk":slxiw2ns said:

Spin Doctor":slxiw2ns said:

Never again under Carroll, not going to happen. He is a good coach, but he doesn't have the chops to take us to the big game anymore.

The rosters that he had in 2012, 2013 and 2014 were historically good, and quite rightfully have earned their spot as one of the best units of all time. That unit was able to be assembled due to all of our star players being in their rookie contracts at the same time. It was a perfect storm. Not only were the Seahawks one of the best defenses of all time, but they also annihilated the best offense of all time.

That same roster is impossible to build with the looming Frank Clark, Reed, and Russell Wilson contracts on the horizons. In 2012 the Seahawks already had one of the highest DVOA's of all time. Due to the a large, untapped cap-space being available we were able to go out and get guys like Bennett, Cliff Avril, and McDaniel, the year prior we went out and built our line with guys like McQuiston and Breno Giacomini. We spent a lot of money in free agency, as well as drafted or traded for multiple HOFers.

Pete Carroll is unlikely to ever repeat this type of roster again. It was a historical team, yet even so they under-performed for what they had. Carroll is a great motivator, and he is also very good at seeing things in players that others don't at the defensive position. He is the kind of guy you want to put together a program for you. That being said he comes with some significant downsides.

On offense he tends to hire retreads, and he tends to take control here. He has an unrelenting approach to the game. It works more times than not, but often times he is unable to adapt to what the opposition is throwing at him. If his initial gameplan gets foiled, he seems to struggle to get back into the game on offense. He doesn't like adjusting.

What Pete Carroll is at this point in time is good ol' Marty Schottenheimer. A coach that never has a losing season, but really will struggle come post-season. Since that fateful Super Bowl mishap we are under .500 in the playoffs. It has become abundantly clear to me that the 2013, and 2014 team masked many of his in game coaching faults.

Carroll needs to take a step back. He needs to be a Mike Tomlin sort of coach. A guy that comes up with the general plan, and program but leaves the in game stuff to his coordinators. In this sort of role he could be very successful if he hired the right people. I just don't think he has it in him to do that.

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Agree with this. We had the cheap QB, star studded D, and we blew the Super Bowl. That had a lasting effect for the following seasons and probably cost us one or two more appearances. Unless Wilson takes a hometown discount ala Tom Brady, this team will not be good enough to win it all. He's a great QB, but I'd rather have Rodgers, Brees, or Luck at top dollar. Our front office isn't nailing draft picks year after year, so we need that extra $ to go out and sign someone like Suh or Mack to help make the team more championship ready.

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You are going to pay more for Luck than Wilson and expect to go somewhere? LMAO.....not happening. ukeface:

Sure. Besides passion for the game, one of Wilson's top traits is scrambling and speed. Those will not improve over 30. Plus, our offense isn't built around his passing, it's built around running the ball. Assuming healthy, Luck should bring exactly what Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Rivers bring to their teams: leadership, passion, and offenses built around their arms.

IndyHawk · Jan 23, 2019

Seymour":9uu1ejpq said:
soxhawk":9uu1ejpq said:

Spin Doctor":9uu1ejpq said:

Never again under Carroll, not going to happen. He is a good coach, but he doesn't have the chops to take us to the big game anymore.

The rosters that he had in 2012, 2013 and 2014 were historically good, and quite rightfully have earned their spot as one of the best units of all time. That unit was able to be assembled due to all of our star players being in their rookie contracts at the same time. It was a perfect storm. Not only were the Seahawks one of the best defenses of all time, but they also annihilated the best offense of all time.

That same roster is impossible to build with the looming Frank Clark, Reed, and Russell Wilson contracts on the horizons. In 2012 the Seahawks already had one of the highest DVOA's of all time. Due to the a large, untapped cap-space being available we were able to go out and get guys like Bennett, Cliff Avril, and McDaniel, the year prior we went out and built our line with guys like McQuiston and Breno Giacomini. We spent a lot of money in free agency, as well as drafted or traded for multiple HOFers.

Pete Carroll is unlikely to ever repeat this type of roster again. It was a historical team, yet even so they under-performed for what they had. Carroll is a great motivator, and he is also very good at seeing things in players that others don't at the defensive position. He is the kind of guy you want to put together a program for you. That being said he comes with some significant downsides.

On offense he tends to hire retreads, and he tends to take control here. He has an unrelenting approach to the game. It works more times than not, but often times he is unable to adapt to what the opposition is throwing at him. If his initial gameplan gets foiled, he seems to struggle to get back into the game on offense. He doesn't like adjusting.

What Pete Carroll is at this point in time is good ol' Marty Schottenheimer. A coach that never has a losing season, but really will struggle come post-season. Since that fateful Super Bowl mishap we are under .500 in the playoffs. It has become abundantly clear to me that the 2013, and 2014 team masked many of his in game coaching faults.

Carroll needs to take a step back. He needs to be a Mike Tomlin sort of coach. A guy that comes up with the general plan, and program but leaves the in game stuff to his coordinators. In this sort of role he could be very successful if he hired the right people. I just don't think he has it in him to do that.

Click to expand...

Agree with this. We had the cheap QB, star studded D, and we blew the Super Bowl. That had a lasting effect for the following seasons and probably cost us one or two more appearances. Unless Wilson takes a hometown discount ala Tom Brady, this team will not be good enough to win it all. He's a great QB, but I'd rather have Rodgers, Brees, or Luck at top dollar. Our front office isn't nailing draft picks year after year, so we need that extra $ to go out and sign someone like Suh or Mack to help make the team more championship ready.

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You are going to pay more for Luck than Wilson and expect to go somewhere? LMAO.....not happening. ukeface:

I'm actually with you on this one :177692:

Seahwkgal · Jan 23, 2019

I just knew the Debbie Downers would pipe in. Hey, I heard that the Patriots bandwagon is open. Join up.

Spin Doctor · Jan 23, 2019

Seahwkgal":2jkxu71x said:
I just knew the Debbie Downers would pipe in. Hey, I heard that the Patriots bandwagon is open. Join up.

How dare we have a different opinion than you.

And to the guy who said he'd rather have Luck over Wilson I wouldn't. He had a pretty bad injury that could be problematic as he ages. He could play in this system, he's deceptively mobile, and he doesn't have the worst deep ball, but he tends to gamble too much for Pete's liking. Luck isn't afraid to take huge risk, that isn't Pete's MO on offense. The entire system is designed to limit turnovers. We explicitly avoid certain areas of the field, and certain types of routes to cut down on turnovers.

soxhawk · Jan 23, 2019

Spin Doctor":1gh7x2x5 said:
Seahwkgal":1gh7x2x5 said:

I just knew the Debbie Downers would pipe in. Hey, I heard that the Patriots bandwagon is open. Join up.

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How dare we have a different opinion than you.

And to the guy who said he'd rather have Luck over Wilson I wouldn't. He had a pretty bad injury that could be problematic as he ages. He could play in this system, he's deceptively mobile, and he doesn't have the worst deep ball, but he tends to gamble too much for Pete's liking. Luck isn't afraid to take huge risk, that isn't Pete's MO on offense. The entire system is designed to limit turnovers. We explicitly avoid certain areas of the field, and certain types of routes to cut down on turnovers.

That's true, but I was more implying that if we pay Wilson like a QB who's an offense's focal point, we're overspending in an offense that doesn't really rely on him that much.

RolandDeschain · Jan 23, 2019

Predictions like this aren't fair.

There's no penalty if you lose, but if you win your own wager, you get bragging rights.

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