Wk 18 DVOA: Carolina vs Seattle

Carolina lept up the DVOA charts with their win over Arizona. The huge boost came to their defensive DVOA rating. The new chart is actually showing Weighted DVOA this time and Carolina's WDVOA ranks them 3rd on defense. They're playing better defense right now than any team we've played all year. Of course, we're playing better defense right now than anybody.

So expect a rather low scoring game.

Oh, and I couldn't help but notice that Cam Newton's DYAR and DVOA are lower than Ryan Lindley. You gotta suck pretty bad to be worse than that guy.

SalishHawkFan":3uikauyf said:

Oh, and I couldn't help but notice that Cam Newton's DYAR and DVOA are lower than Ryan Lindley. You gotta suck pretty bad to be worse than that guy.

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Bwahahaha! The Legion of Boom shall feast on his Sorrows and drink of his Tears!

Not putting any stock into a team that beat Ryan Lindley at there own home. Don't carr how DVOA wants to chalk it up. And that includes for us.

Doesn't it help that 24 teams didn't play, thus would have a static DVOA? Don't take me wrong, we have been playing great defense but not sure it's all relative to the entire league the way it would be if all teams played and had an opportunity to improve as well. The good news is regardless of noise Carolina has earned the right to win or lose this Saturday!

SalishHawkFan":2qmaw59d said:

Oh, and I couldn't help but notice that Cam Newton's DYAR and DVOA are lower than Ryan Lindley. You gotta suck pretty bad to be worse than that guy.

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While I like most of what FO does and there is value to be taken from most of their data, how much stock are you willing to put into the QB measurements there?

Are Alex Smith and Ryan Tannehill better than Russell Wilson? Because that's what DYAR says. DVOA says Derek Anderson and Kirk Cousins are better than Wilson.

volsunghawk":10cxh5zb said:

SalishHawkFan":10cxh5zb said:

Oh, and I couldn't help but notice that Cam Newton's DYAR and DVOA are lower than Ryan Lindley. You gotta suck pretty bad to be worse than that guy.

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While I like most of what FO does and there is value to be taken from most of their data, how much stock are you willing to put into the QB measurements there?

Are Alex Smith and Ryan Tannehill better than Russell Wilson? Because that's what DYAR says. DVOA says Derek Anderson and Kirk Cousins are better than Wilson.

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Agreed. Cam Newton isn't worse than Ryan Lindley, whatever that stat says. That's an indictment of the statistic, not evidence that Newton is a bad QB.

And Cam is a long way from Wilson. Not even close. There's not even a handful of QBs better than Wilson.

evergreen":8ad32skh said:

And Cam is a long way from Wilson. Not even close. There's not even a handful of QBs better than Wilson.

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Manning
Brady
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Luck



There are at least five. That is no knock on Wilson at all. He is a great quarterback, but rankiing him in the top five at this moment is a bit premature.

Mol3m4n":p0doqdtl said:

evergreen":p0doqdtl said:

And Cam is a long way from Wilson. Not even close. There's not even a handful of QBs better than Wilson.

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Manning
Brady
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Luck



There are at least five. That is no knock on Wilson at all. He is a great quarterback, but rankiing him in the top five at this moment is a bit premature.

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Hmm. We've been over this before a number of times on this forum. But just for giggles, let's compare Luck's statistics with Wilson's. I'll give you overall yards.

Seahawk Sailor":18rc2o9b said:

Mol3m4n":18rc2o9b said:

evergreen":18rc2o9b said:

And Cam is a long way from Wilson. Not even close. There's not even a handful of QBs better than Wilson.

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Manning
Brady
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Luck



There are at least five. That is no knock on Wilson at all. He is a great quarterback, but rankiing him in the top five at this moment is a bit premature.

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Hmm. We've been over this before a number of times on this forum. But just for giggles, let's compare Luck's statistics with Wilson's. I'll give you overall yards.

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I'm not a big Luck fan myself. I've pointed out many times that he throws two picks and then three touchdowns. However, I think he's just a tad bit farther along than Wilson at this point. But heck, the sky is the limit for the potential that both Cam and Wilson possess.

Mol3m4n":2ahroery said:

I'm not a big Luck fan myself. I've pointed out many times that he throws two picks and then three touchdowns. However, I think he's just a tad bit farther along than Wilson at this point. But heck, the sky is the limit for the potential that both Cam and Wilson possess.

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That's pretty much what most folks here think. And we fail to see how two picks and three touchdowns are better than what Wilson brings to the table, which is even or better yardage overall, and far fewer turnovers, which have led to more wins, both regular season and playoffs.

I'll give my top 10 list. Totally subjective.


1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Manning
4. Roethlisberger
5. Romo (The offensive line really helps.)

6,7,8,9 are interchangeable to me. Each brings a unique thing to the table, while each have their own downfall.


6. Luck
7. Wilson
8. Cam
9. Rivers
10. Flacco
11. (I know) Brees <--------This is because he played horrible this year.




26. Colon Raepernick

Cartire":3f3pl8iv said:

Not putting any stock into a team that beat Ryan Lindley at there own home. Don't carr how DVOA wants to chalk it up. And that includes for us.

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And Arizona was leading at halftime. Then they had the ball for a whole 3:39 the entire second half.

Everyone watch out for these world-beaters.

Mol3m4n":3cnwt3sc said:

I'll give my top 10 list. Totally subjective.


1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Manning
4. Roethlisberger
5. Romo (The offensive line really helps.)

6,7,8,9 are interchangeable to me. Each brings a unique thing to the table, while each have their own downfall.


6. Luck
7. Wilson
8. Cam
9. Rivers
10. Flacco
11. (I know) Brees <--------This is because he played horrible this year.




26. Colon Raepernick

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I don't agree with Rapistberger at 4 or Romo at 5 I would jump Rivers to 4 and Wilson to 5 and then Romo, Luck, Flacco, Brees, Ryan and then maybe Cam.