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Over at Cold Hard Football Facts they have what they call the Mother of All Stats: The Passer Rating Differential. 36% of all Super Bowl winners are #1 in this stat. 95% finish in the top 10.

Green Bay is 1st with a 27.83 differential.
Seattle is 4th with a 14.73 differential.

Over at Football Outsiders they use a stat called DVOA to determine who is the best team. It picked Seattle over Denver last year. This year, by an even wider margin, it says Seattle is better than Green Bay. Seattle ranks 1st, Green Bay 3rd.

Finally, over at Sporting Charts they track what is called the Toxic Differential. It tracks Big Plays and Turnover differential. The Super Bowl winner usually comes from the top 3 of this stat. Seattle ranks first with a 76 differential. Green Bay ranks 3rd with a 37 differential.

So what can we glean from these stats other than both these teams are really good? Let's take a closer look:

In the air

Green Bay has the better passing game. (Rodgers is injured, but we shall have to see how injured he is come Sunday to know how that is going to affect the game. Let's analyze this purely from the idea that he's not injured. Then the readers can adjust their take on this based on how much they think his injury will affect the game.) They rank 2nd in Passer Rating, 2nd in passing DVOA and 5th in passing Big Plays.

Seattle is no slouch in the air either. They rank 7th in Passer Rating, 5th in passing DVOA, but only 17th in passing Big Plays.

Both top 10 passing teams, definite advantage to Green Bay.

On the flip side, Seattle has the better secondary. They rank 5th in Defensive Passer Rating, 3rd in defensive passing DVOA and 1st in passing Big Plays having allowed only 17.

Green Bay has a decent secondary as well. They rank 7th in defensive Passer Rating, 11th in passing DVOA and 11th in passing Big Plays having allowed 27.

Both top 10 passing defenses, definite advantage to Seattle.

Overall, that's a wash then, even with a healthy Aaron Rodgers. The one clear advantage to Green Bay, the Big Plays passing, is cancelled out by the fact that Seattle allows the lest Big Plays passing in the NFL.

Now let's look at the game on the ground

Seattle has the better rushing game. CHFF ranks Seattle at #1 at 108.71, they're 1st in DVOA at 29.9% and they rank 1st in rushing Big Plays with 83.

Green Bay is pretty damn good running the ball too. CHFF ranks GB 7th at 97.42, they're 6th in DVOA at 5.1% and they rank 2nd in rushing Big Plays with 67.

Both top 10 rushing offenses, definite advantage to Seattle.

Here's where it gets ugly for Green Bay. On defense Seattle is definitely the better rushing defense and by far. Seattle ranks 2nd in Rusher Rating a 76.19(lower is better), 2nd in DVOA at -25.1% (negative is better) and 3rd in rushing Big Plays allowed at 30.

Green Bay, however, ranks only 16th in Rusher Rating at 88.14 , 24th in DVOA at -3.7% and 21st in rushing Big Plays allowed at 51. One should note that Green Bay has given up more rushing Big Plays than Seattle has given up Big Plays total (Seattle has only given up 44 Big Plays on the ground and through the air).

One should also note the vast differense in rushing DVOA. Offensively, 29.9% is way better than 5.1% while defensively, -25.1% is vastly better than -3.7%.

Then look at the Rushing Big Play Differential. Seattle has 83 rushing Big Plays and only allowed 30. Green Bay has 67 rushing Big Plays but allowed 51.

In Conclusion

Both teams can throw the ball but both teams defenses are equal in quality as well. Green Bay is better throwing, Seattle has the better secondary. Seattle is a top 10 passing team, Green Bay is a top 10 secondary.

On the ground, however, Seattle isn't just the best rushing attack, they're vastly better than a very good Green Bay rushing attack. Green Bay is a top 10 rushing team. Seattle ranks as one of the better ground attacks in DVOA history, is #1 in every ranking and it isn't even very close. Seattle, however, has one of the very best rush defenses, more highly ranked in stopping the run than Green Bay is ranked in rushing. Green Bay, on the other hand, is mediocre at best at stopping the run and they're going up against a fantastic rushing attack in Wilson/Lynch.

Add to that the game is in Seattle, the noise will affect Green Bay's audibles, Rodgers is hobbling and you probably have to give the advantage passing to Seattle as well.

Green Bays hopes rest upon Rodgers being in better health than it sounds and the not insignificant loss to Seattle of Mebane and Hill.
 

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I just like the fact that passer rating, for all its petty flaws, is still good enough to be the basis for such a compelling power statistic in passer rating differential. Take that, stat snobs.
 

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Thanks for starting this discussion; there haven't been a lot of good football threads lately. I wish we could see a statistical breakdown of Green Bay's rush defense since their bye week, when Clay Matthews began taking snaps at ILB.

If they made a "Rushing Differential" stat, I wonder if it would also correlate with Super Bowl wins. Sporting Charts does make a "Big Play Rushing Differential" stat, which obviously has the Seahawks No. 1 by a very wide margin -- 53 more rushes of greater than 10 yards than we allowed, while the next best team has only 33. Green Bay is ranked 8th with 16.

Another thing I like about these stats is I have to scroll way down to see New England's "toxic differential" at #14, which is a big 0.
 

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kearly":5bvu3674 said:
I just like the fact that passer rating, for all its petty flaws, is still good enough to be the basis for such a compelling power statistic in passer rating differential. Take that, stat snobs.

Its flaws lie mainly in trying to use it to compare the ability of one quarterback to another. It's really a team stat, and that's why it works so well for predicting future team success.
 

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Could you put a table up of DVOA with the teams that are between The PACK and Seattle and the other 2 stat lines. It would be interesting to see who was in the slots between Pack and Hawks. Thanks.
 

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Saying that Seattle is number one in rushing DVOA does not do the stat justice.

The gap between Seattle and the number two team is bigger than the gap between the number two team and the number 21 team. Think about that for a second.
 

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Cool post Salish, a lot of work. I always appreciate all of you that bring these to the forum... :th2thumbs:
 

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SalishHawkFan":1hoesrtt said:
Over at Cold Hard Football Facts they have what they call the Mother of All Stats: The Passer Rating Differential. 36% of all Super Bowl winners are #1 in this stat. 95% finish in the top 10.

Green Bay is 1st with a 27.83 differential.
Seattle is 4th with a 14.73 differential.

Addendum: The Packer's passer rating differential on the road is +10.2 (94.2 to 84.0); at home it's +49 (133.2 to 84.2).
 

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SalishHawkFan":14k10p73 said:
Over at Cold Hard Football Facts they have what they call the Mother of All Stats: The Passer Rating Differential. 36% of all Super Bowl winners are #1 in this stat. 95% finish in the top 10.

Green Bay is 1st with a 27.83 differential.
Seattle is 4th with a 14.73 differential.

Addendum: The Packer's passer rating differential on the road is +10.2 (94.2 to 84.0); at home it's +49 (133.2 to 84.2).
 
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Scottemojo":2erci781 said:
Saying that Seattle is number one in rushing DVOA does not do the stat justice.

The gap between Seattle and the number two team is bigger than the gap between the number two team and the number 21 team. Think about that for a second.
It rated as the 5th best rushing attack since 1989. On a comment somewhere on the website either Scott Kacsmar or Aaron Schatz stated that if you take out Lynch our rushing attack was still the best in the league. Turbin, CMike and Wilson alone would be better than any team in the NFL.

I found that to be pretty amazing.
 

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Good information. Taken in context, it bodes well for us.

As a team, we usually don't just line up and spread you out and start slinging it. Our pass is built off of our run game. When our run game gets going, it feeds the passing game and big plays.

GB has worked on establishing the run as well, but they make their chops off of passing and it's really not close.

Also, I'd like to see some metrics, but typically....GB is terrible against mobile QBs. Kaepernick has always given them problems, and that leads to him usually having good passing days against GB as well.
 

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SalishHawkFan":2x2rwm2t said:
Scottemojo":2x2rwm2t said:
Saying that Seattle is number one in rushing DVOA does not do the stat justice.

The gap between Seattle and the number two team is bigger than the gap between the number two team and the number 21 team. Think about that for a second.
It rated as the 5th best rushing attack since 1989. On a comment somewhere on the website either Scott Kacsmar or Aaron Schatz stated that if you take our Lynch our rushing attack was still the best in the league. Turbin, CMike and Wilson alone would be better than any team in the NFL.

I found that to be pretty amazing.

Actually they said take out Lynch AND Wilson, and our rushing attack is still best in the league.

http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=105482
 

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Ok, luckily Football Outsiders just posted their game preview for this game (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/game-p ... ip-preview) and that information was in it.

Last year Seattle pressured QBs on 34.4% of passing plays, in their last six games the Seahawks have pressured QBs on 30.8% of pass plays (24.9% for the entire season). For reference, the average for the entire NFL this year was 24.4%.

Someone asked about pressures on the quarterbacks....over there. >>>>>>>>>>
 
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