Trade Kearse Discussion

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I keep seeing people post this as if it could ever possibly be a reality but the thing that's really wearing thin for me is how it's playing out like some fevered Madden '96 dream.

So on the one hand Kearse is so profoundly and obviously bad that we shouldn't have a roster spot for him period
YET
On the other hand if we could somehow just trick a greater fool into trading anything up to and including a ham sandwich, it would allow us to do everything we want to this season vis a vis Kam and OL help.

I don't know, do a lot of you pick on new people in video games or fantasy football? Rope them in, tell them how fun it is, and then give them "the wrong advices" to win?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q5Xr8MxtWw
 

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This topic has been discussed in numerous threads. Im sure it will get moved, but before it does. I'll say, whatever we can do to get him off the roster i'd be ok with. Trade him for a couple of those seat warmers you see the players use in cold weather games. Throw in a stadium vendor, peanuts, beer, red rope, your choice.
 

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gowazzu02":8pnsa60z said:
This topic has been discussed in numerous threads. Im sure it will get moved, but before it does. I'll say, whatever we can do to get him off the roster i'd be ok with. Trade him for a couple of those seat warmers you see the players use in cold weather games. Throw in a stadium vendor, peanuts, beer, red rope, your choice.
Typical
 

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In fairness to those who have brought this up:

a) I haven't heard anybody act like we are gonna get a 2nd rounder for him. A 5th or 6th or 7th to reduce the Cap would be a nice return.

b) I don't think anybody is saying Kearse is bad, but I think this is the first time we've had some quality depth and considering what Kearse makes, he doesn't get the same bang for the buck.

The advantage for a team like Carolina, is that Kearse is a proven commodity and could be had for little compensation. Additionally, he also is a potential long term solution for Carolina, as Kearse IMO, is a solid #3 WR, long term.

The advantage for Seattle is some Cap relief/Compensation, and allowing some younger guys the chance to emerge and potentially be better than Kearse.

All that said, it's not gonna happen, but I don't think it's necessarily something to scoff at, from a theoretical standpoint.
 

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Hawkfan77":1sy8y7eo said:
gowazzu02":1sy8y7eo said:
This topic has been discussed in numerous threads. Im sure it will get moved, but before it does. I'll say, whatever we can do to get him off the roster i'd be ok with. Trade him for a couple of those seat warmers you see the players use in cold weather games. Throw in a stadium vendor, peanuts, beer, red rope, your choice.
Typical


Typical??? sorry. Im not a fan of his. He can make the craziest most aw inspiring catches... but then he goes and drops the easiest of easy ones. The NFCCG and Superbowl being the two most recent examples.... all the way back to his career at uw as further proof.....
 

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The man is responsible for the three biggest catches in franchise history. Until we have an adequate replacement that gives us a reason to replace him, he's going to continue starting.
 

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Kearse isn't worth what he is making. He hinders the growth of WR's that actually have a future with the team. He is average at best. If Kearse was from Florida and went to UCF people would act WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY different towards him (Im a Husky).

I would love to see him cut or traded for the reasons listed above.
 

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This thread should be renamed "why fans are not GM of the Seahawks"

Kearse is staying. Cary Williams is staying. Lets just move on.
 

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gowazzu02":10nwqrx2 said:
Hawkfan77":10nwqrx2 said:
gowazzu02":10nwqrx2 said:
This topic has been discussed in numerous threads. Im sure it will get moved, but before it does. I'll say, whatever we can do to get him off the roster i'd be ok with. Trade him for a couple of those seat warmers you see the players use in cold weather games. Throw in a stadium vendor, peanuts, beer, red rope, your choice.
Typical


Typical??? sorry. Im not a fan of his. He can make the craziest most aw inspiring catches... but then he goes and drops the easiest of easy ones. The NFCCG and Superbowl being the two most recent examples.... all the way back to his career at uw as further proof.....
Could the school you root for and root against have anything to do with this???
An honest question.
 

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Tical21":17yx4h8m said:
The man is responsible for the three biggest catches in franchise history. Until we have an adequate replacement that gives us a reason to replace him, he's going to continue starting.


Well its possible had he been more in the game, or caught the previous passes he would never had to make those great catches.

Your right though, he's had some incredible clutch catches while here. but.. there is always the flips side.
 

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Tical21":1jczudvg said:
The man is responsible for the three biggest catches in franchise history. Until we have an adequate replacement that gives us a reason to replace him, he's going to continue starting.

Tyler Lockett and Chris Matthews already look more than capable of replacing him. He's good as a WR3 or WR4, but a little expensive for that.

The "three biggest catches in franchise history" line doesn't really hold much water for me. The first two were catches that any decent receiver should have made; the second came after four drops. The third was pretty awesome, yes. But it's more circumstantial value than consistent value with him. (I'm assuming you're referring to the 2013 NFCCG free play TD, the 2014 NFCCG winner, and the XLIX bouncing catch.)
 

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Hasselbeck":1ltf2pl4 said:
This thread should be renamed "why fans are not GM of the Seahawks"

Kearse is staying. Cary Williams is staying. Lets just move on.

That probably should be the name of the board :lol:
 

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Jermaine Kearse has made 3 of the most crucial and important catches in the history of the Seahawks. So, he is someone I hope we don't trade and I don't even think he has much trade value.
 

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mrt144":22zw6xpe said:
I keep seeing people post this as if it could ever possibly be a reality but the thing that's really wearing thin for me is how it's playing out like some fevered Madden '96 dream.

So on the one hand Kearse is so profoundly and obviously bad that we shouldn't have a roster spot for him period
YET
On the other hand if we could somehow just trick a greater fool into trading anything up to and including a ham sandwich, it would allow us to do everything we want to this season vis a vis Kam and OL help.

I don't know, do a lot of you pick on new people in video games or fantasy football? Rope them in, tell them how fun it is, and then give them "the wrong advices" to win?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q5Xr8MxtWw

Someone traded something of value for Blaine Gabbert. That is all I got.
 

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bbsplitter":20jiuze1 said:
mrt144":20jiuze1 said:
I keep seeing people post this as if it could ever possibly be a reality but the thing that's really wearing thin for me is how it's playing out like some fevered Madden '96 dream.

So on the one hand Kearse is so profoundly and obviously bad that we shouldn't have a roster spot for him period
YET
On the other hand if we could somehow just trick a greater fool into trading anything up to and including a ham sandwich, it would allow us to do everything we want to this season vis a vis Kam and OL help.

I don't know, do a lot of you pick on new people in video games or fantasy football? Rope them in, tell them how fun it is, and then give them "the wrong advices" to win?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q5Xr8MxtWw

Someone traded something of value for Blaine Gabbert. That is all I got.

That was SF, we all know they don't know what the hell they're doing lol
 

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Has anyone bothered to get Pete's input on the subject? I'm guessing he has more knowledge on the subject, and his opinion carries more weight..!
 

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Lithium":2849mhc8 said:
bbsplitter":2849mhc8 said:
mrt144":2849mhc8 said:
I keep seeing people post this as if it could ever possibly be a reality but the thing that's really wearing thin for me is how it's playing out like some fevered Madden '96 dream.

So on the one hand Kearse is so profoundly and obviously bad that we shouldn't have a roster spot for him period
YET
On the other hand if we could somehow just trick a greater fool into trading anything up to and including a ham sandwich, it would allow us to do everything we want to this season vis a vis Kam and OL help.

I don't know, do a lot of you pick on new people in video games or fantasy football? Rope them in, tell them how fun it is, and then give them "the wrong advices" to win?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q5Xr8MxtWw

Someone traded something of value for Blaine Gabbert. That is all I got.

That was SF, we all know they don't know what the hell they're doing lol

Provides grounds for thinking there is a greater fool, no?
 

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To say that Kearse is a good, bad, or average WR misses the point. He is a very skilled red line receiver that is flawed in other areas. Our team is largely made up of players who are exceptionally good in one specific area but very weak in other areas. JR Sweezy dominates on the move, but gets his ass kicked by power rushers. KJ Wright can blow up a screen, set the edge, and make a good open field tackle, but he has poor trailing speed and takes poor angles. Kam is a bawse when going downhill, but you wouldn't want him covering Gronk. Even our QB has big strengths and big weaknesses.

The fact is, our WR group leaves a lot to be desired on red line targets deep down the field. Last year Kearse was the only WR that Wilson would trust deep when covered. And for good reason, Kearse high points well and has strong hands. He makes the tough catches on the deep ball better than most WRs in the league.

The red line deep ball is a crucial component of the Hawks offense, and right now the other WRs are not earning Wilson's trust on the deep ball the way that Kearse is. Kearse is not a great WR, but if we cut him tomorrow, our deep passing attack would instantly be much worse.

Kearse does have some issues turning targets into receptions (much like Kelvin Benjamin), though his actual drop rate is lower than most would think. I think he is a below average WR who is way above average on the deep stuff. Once our team has 3 other WRs that Wilson will trust deep when they are covered, Kearse will become easily expendable. But right now, Baldwin only gets targeted deep when he's WIDE open, and though I think Lockett will probably be awesome on deep targets, we haven't seen it yet. Same thing with Matthews, other than 1 deep catch in the SB.

Kearse was a free agent and Seattle put a relatively pricey RFA tag on him. Not out of loyalty, but because he offers a much needed skill that our current WR group is in short supply of. Seattle could have easily just said goodbye to Kearse this offseason, but instead they paid a decent chunk of money to ensure themselves that he was a Hawk in 2015. Why would they do that for a player who's mediocre on the whole? Because Seattle is all about specialists, and Kearse provides a skill on the red line that the team needs pretty badly.

That doesn't mean I want Kearse to be a Seahawk for life. I am fine with moving on from him right now, if I felt the rest of our WR corps could make his deep route skill expendable. But as I see it, the other WRs are still a long way from making that a reality.
 

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kearly":25402nya said:
To say that Kearse is a good, bad, or average WR misses the point. He is a very skilled red line receiver that is flawed in other areas. ... (see entire post above - Rocket)
This is what you get when you actually analyze a proposal. Plusses and minuses, from a football perspective. The look of his girlfriend, the color of his college, his ethnic background and his "lack of height"... these are meaningless.

As always, Kearly hits one out of the park.
Love your work, Bro. :th2thumbs:
 
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