Financial Consequences For Kam If a 10 Week Holdout?

Meeker":3n0mf8mp said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/12/cost-of-kam-chancellors-holdout-as-of-sunday-187-million/

$1,110,000 daily TC fines
$250,000 TC fine
$250,000 week 1 fine
$2,679,411.70 loss of game checks
$352,941.18-$411,764.71 weekly loss of signing bonus as of week 5 (depending on if the bye week is included)

$4,642,352.88-$4,701,176.41

Not 100% sure how to interpret the weekly forfeiture of the signing bonus, but thats how I'm reading it.

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Cartire":rb2r4t8s said:

Meeker":rb2r4t8s said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/12/cost-of-kam-chancellors-holdout-as-of-sunday-187-million/

$1,110,000 daily TC fines
$250,000 TC fine
$250,000 week 1 fine
$2,679,411.70 loss of game checks
$352,941.18-$411,764.71 weekly loss of signing bonus as of week 5 (depending on if the bye week is included)

$4,642,352.88-$4,701,176.41

Not 100% sure how to interpret the weekly forfeiture of the signing bonus, but thats how I'm reading it.

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This is what confused me so much.

How can this be about money, when hes willing to give up more money then hes asking for? Hes willing to lose $5 mil this year for some more guaranteed money next year? The amount he wants next year guaranteed isnt even $5 mil. I just dont get it at all.

It cant be just about the money, or else he wouldnt be losing it right now.

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drrew":1q2lqm3b said:

What are the cap consequences for the team, how much of that can rolled over as unused cap money?

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NewJerseyHawk":1i0nz401 said:

He also doesn't get paid for missing time or game checks as well, so it's not like if he shows up, doesn't pass a physical and landed on the PUP list, that he would get paid anyway. I don't think he gets those game checks, unless he actually plays in a game.

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AgentDib":3kshefju said:

NewJerseyHawk":3kshefju said:

He also doesn't get paid for missing time or game checks as well, so it's not like if he shows up, doesn't pass a physical and landed on the PUP list, that he would get paid anyway. I don't think he gets those game checks, unless he actually plays in a game.

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Just so you know, that's not the case. Injured players not only get their checks but cannot be released from a contract until they are cleared. That's why teams will sometimes negotiate split contracts ($X if healthy, $Y if injured) ahead of time, and why they try to negotiate injury settlements.

The idea behind an Injury settlement is that the team will give the player a slightly smaller lump sum for the money they would have earned while injured anyway. After that injury duration, plus a six week "tax", the players then have the freedom to resign with any team for additional money.

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NewJerseyHawk":2rz8ge1a said:

I'll keep posting this because it's the only logic behind it.....he's not healthy and is putting at risk his future contracts because if he shows up for a physical and cannot perform at the level we are used to, he's going to be asked to take a paycut next year.

He also doesn't get paid for missing time or game checks as well, so it's not like if he shows up, doesn't pass a physical and landed on the PUP list, that he would get paid anyway. I don't think he gets those game checks, unless he actually plays in a game. So whether he's at home on his recliner healing up, or in Seattle getting a daily checkup on his progress at the Seahawks facility doesn't matter.

Seattle is not going to trade him, they will let him heal up, sit out vs playing here and being at 65 to 70% and him perhaps helping or perhaps not helping on game day.

In other news, Dez Bryant is now forecast to be out for 10-12 weeks, so he will have a screw or pin inserted into his foot....which sounds exactly what happened to Kevin Durant in hoops....he came back too early reinjured it again and out another 4 months. I doubt we see Dez Bryant at all this year, which takes away a big asset of one of the playoff contenders for the NFC.....No Jordy Nelson, no Dez Bryant and no Kam Chancellor.....Of all the trade offs, Seattle comes out way ahead in terms of impacts players not in a lineup.

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NewJerseyHawk":3b5v9ypn said:

I'll keep posting this because it's the only logic behind it.....he's not healthy and is putting at risk his future contracts because if he shows up for a physical and cannot perform at the level we are used to, he's going to be asked to take a paycut next year.

He also doesn't get paid for missing time or game checks as well, so it's not like if he shows up, doesn't pass a physical and landed on the PUP list, that he would get paid anyway. I don't think he gets those game checks, unless he actually plays in a game. So whether he's at home on his recliner healing up, or in Seattle getting a daily checkup on his progress at the Seahawks facility doesn't matter.

Seattle is not going to trade him, they will let him heal up, sit out vs playing here and being at 65 to 70% and him perhaps helping or perhaps not helping on game day.

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RiverDog":3v1gk7wl said:

NewJerseyHawk":3v1gk7wl said:

I'll keep posting this because it's the only logic behind it.....he's not healthy and is putting at risk his future contracts because if he shows up for a physical and cannot perform at the level we are used to, he's going to be asked to take a paycut next year.

He also doesn't get paid for missing time or game checks as well, so it's not like if he shows up, doesn't pass a physical and landed on the PUP list, that he would get paid anyway. I don't think he gets those game checks, unless he actually plays in a game. So whether he's at home on his recliner healing up, or in Seattle getting a daily checkup on his progress at the Seahawks facility doesn't matter.

Seattle is not going to trade him, they will let him heal up, sit out vs playing here and being at 65 to 70% and him perhaps helping or perhaps not helping on game day.

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I agree with all of that except I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of a trade. I agree that it's unlikely, but if Kam is still sitting out in Week 11, we'd be foolish not to at least consider the possibility.

I'm hearing some rumblings that the locker room is starting to turn back towards Kam. Our coaches have a big enough problem trying to win back the player's confidence after the debacle in SB 49. If we get blown out or if we lose due to some sort of controversial decision similar to last week, we could be in real trouble.

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RiverDog":2wh786s9 said:

NewJerseyHawk":2wh786s9 said:

I'll keep posting this because it's the only logic behind it.....he's not healthy and is putting at risk his future contracts because if he shows up for a physical and cannot perform at the level we are used to, he's going to be asked to take a paycut next year.

He also doesn't get paid for missing time or game checks as well, so it's not like if he shows up, doesn't pass a physical and landed on the PUP list, that he would get paid anyway. I don't think he gets those game checks, unless he actually plays in a game. So whether he's at home on his recliner healing up, or in Seattle getting a daily checkup on his progress at the Seahawks facility doesn't matter.

Seattle is not going to trade him, they will let him heal up, sit out vs playing here and being at 65 to 70% and him perhaps helping or perhaps not helping on game day.

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I agree with all of that except I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of a trade. I agree that it's unlikely, but if Kam is still sitting out in Week 11, we'd be foolish not to at least consider the possibility.

I'm hearing some rumblings that the locker room is starting to turn back towards Kam. Our coaches have a big enough problem trying to win back the player's confidence after the debacle in SB 49. If we get blown out or if we lose due to some sort of controversial decision similar to last week, we could be in real trouble.

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