Stupid what if question...

edogg23 · Oct 1, 2015

As I watched Rawls look really good in week 3, while Wilson continued to run for his life I couldn't help but ask myself this questions.

What if the Seahawks had invested Lynch's 8.5 million dollar 2015 cap number into 2 quality offensive line free agents instead of resigning him? For example Stefen Wisniewski and Evan Mathis. Would this team be better off right now? I know this is sac religious for a seahawks fan to even wonder out loud but I couldn't help but wonder.

Now hopefully Lynch gets back on track and makes me look like an idiot for even bringing this up.

HawkFan72 · Oct 1, 2015

It's hard to know for sure, obviously. But if you look at teams that feature new faces on the O-line, they usually struggle right out of the gate until they gel. So up until this point, we might not have seen a better performance out of the O-line.

Barthawk · Oct 1, 2015

Who says either of those guys are worth it? Wisneiwski went to like 4-5 teams before getting a one year deal and last I checked Denver's OL sucks too.

Basis4day · Oct 1, 2015

Prior to this season, he had 13.5 Million in Dead Money (8.5 is his cap number this year assuming he is on the team) left to be accounted for on his deal. You don't just get to spend that money.

Rawls was unproven and has only played one game. They drafted 3 O-Lineman. If they wanted either of those O-Lineman you suggested they could have signed them. They weren't that expensive.

At this point, no you wouldn't be better off.

massari · Oct 1, 2015

I'd rather the Hawks just not signed Cary Williams and Kearse.

Put that money towards the OL.

mikeak · Oct 1, 2015

massari":2b5l8qsj said:
I'd rather the Hawks just not signed Cary Williams and Kearse.

Put that money towards the OL.

+ 1 (Cary Williams neutral on Kearse)

shawnsim · Oct 1, 2015

Kearse is responsible for so many clutch plays and wins.
I don't get the sentiment that he is a castaway.
He has been huge for us the last 2 seasons.

Mike D in 332 · Oct 1, 2015

Even if Marshawn ends up being subpar Marshawn this year, the fact that he is in the backfield still commands respect from defense. There is no way that the offensive line has an easier job without Marshawn back there. Imagine the season starting without Marshawn!?! It would completely change the Seahawks strategy.

Willyeye · Oct 1, 2015

massari":3sat7spc said:
I'd rather the Hawks just not signed Cary Williams and Kearse.

Put that money towards the OL.

I totally disagree. First off, Williams is learning a new system...he's been improving every week. Basically we traded Maxwell for Williams, and Williams is a lot less expensive. And Maxwell is doing horribly without Earl and Kam. Maxwell is ranked #97 out of 99 CB's by PFF. Give Williams a few more weeks to learn our system, and he will be doing much better than Maxwell did for the Hawks.

And Kearse has had an awesome year so far. Jermaine has caught 14 out of 18 targets...and according to PFF Signature Stats, only 14 of those 18 targets were catchable...he also hasn't had a drop this year.

You do realize that all the cap space the Hawks use on the #1 D is cap the FO saves on the O-Line. I'll take the #1 D anytime over a great O-Line...with Russell, it's simply not a priority.

massari · Oct 2, 2015

Willyeye":xbman98e said:
massari":xbman98e said:

I'd rather the Hawks just not signed Cary Williams and Kearse.

Put that money towards the OL.

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I totally disagree. First off, Williams is learning a new system...he's been improving every week. Basically we traded Maxwell for Williams, and Williams is a lot less expensive. And Maxwell is doing horribly without Earl and Kam. Maxwell is ranked #97 out of 99 CB's by PFF. Give Williams a few more weeks to learn our system, and he will be doing much better than Maxwell did for the Hawks.

And Kearse has had an awesome year so far. Jermaine has caught 14 out of 18 targets...and according to PFF Signature Stats, only 14 of those 18 targets were catchable...he also hasn't had a drop this year.

You do realize that all the cap space the Hawks use on the #1 D is cap the FO saves on the O-Line. I'll take the #1 D anytime over a great O-Line...with Russell, it's simply not a priority.

I'm not saying Williams/Kearse suck, just that the money could've been better off used towards the OL. There were some good CB's that signed way cheaper contracts than Cary Williams this past off season.

strohmin · Oct 2, 2015

Just because we sign top O-linemen doesn't automatically mean they are going to pay off initially. O-line takes time to gel no matter how individually talented an O-linemen is.

OkieHawk · Oct 2, 2015

What if they just rest Marshawn until the playoffs...

hawknation2015 · Oct 2, 2015

edogg23":1i4u5uav said:
As I watched Rawls look really good in week 3, while Wilson continued to run for his life I couldn't help but ask myself this questions.

What if the Seahawks had invested Lynch's 8.5 million dollar 2015 cap number into 2 quality offensive line free agents instead of resigning him? For example Stefen Wisniewski and Evan Mathis. Would this team be better off right now? I know this is sac religious for a seahawks fan to even wonder out loud but I couldn't help but wonder.

Now hopefully Lynch gets back on track and makes me look like an idiot for even bringing this up.

You are getting ahead of yourself on Marshawn. He has played well through injury in the past.

edogg23 · Oct 3, 2015

Basis4day":2xzenny9 said:
Prior to this season, he had 13.5 Million in Dead Money (8.5 is his cap number this year assuming he is on the team) left to be accounted for on his deal. You don't just get to spend that money.

Rawls was unproven and has only played one game. They drafted 3 O-Lineman. If they wanted either of those O-Lineman you suggested they could have signed them. They weren't that expensive.

At this point, no you wouldn't be better off.

I was talking about the Hawks sighing o-linemen instead of signing the new contract extension in March that you mention above. The other surprising thing I saw was Lynch will have 5 million in dead cap space next year. Considering I don't think too many people actually expect him to play beyond this year makes me wonder why they structured the deal that way.

mikeak · Oct 3, 2015

^ if he elects to retire the money comes off the books

edogg23 · Oct 3, 2015

mikeak":wbwodhkw said:
^ if he elects to retire the money comes off the books

It's not that simple, I've read articles saying the Hawks probably already worked something out saying they won't take his signing bonus back if he retires which would mean the dead money would stay. Otherwise why wouldn't he just half ass it into camp next year and force the Hawks to cut him and accomplish the same thing.

Chapow · Oct 3, 2015

edogg23":8nm1mklg said:
mikeak":8nm1mklg said:

^ if he elects to retire the money comes off the books

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Otherwise why wouldn't he just half ass it into camp next year and force the Hawks to cut him and accomplish the same thing.

Because he has self respect and integrity.

StoneCold · Oct 3, 2015

Someone asked this question on the Clayton show today. His answer was that it's hard to find top tier OL. If you take the 8+ mil and spread that over 2 or 3 lineman you, according to John, don't get top tier and you would only marginally improve.

That said, if Rawls proves to be a keeper, (and ofcourse we're a long way from knowing that after one game) it seems a real possibility that this will be Lynch's last year. I'm no cap expert, but it looks like that would give them 11 mil to sign other players. With Pete and JS's history I'll be surprised if that goes to an OL, but it I think it would make me feel better having a bit more protection for RW.

Stupid what if question...

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