2015 Toxic Diff and Big Play Diff (wk 07)

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Trending in the right direction. Last week we were ranked 2nd and 5th, improving in both this week.

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Repeating a couple of things from my last post on the topic but things of note regarding these stats.

In all of 2014, Seattle gave up 14 big pass plays. So far in 2015 they have already given up 12 and 7/12 have come in the 4th quarter and 6 of those occurred while Seattle was leading.

In 2014, Seattle gave the ball away 14 times. Through seven games in 2015, they have given the ball away 9 times.
 

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Laloosh":1ex64ig4 said:
Trending in the right direction. Last week we were ranked 2nd and 5th, improving in both this week.

MmMtMbk

Repeating a couple of things from my last post on the topic but things of note regarding these stats.

In all of 2014, Seattle gave up 14 big pass plays. So far in 2015 they have already given up 12 and 7/12 have come in the 4th quarter and 6 of those occurred while Seattle was leading.

In 2014, Seattle gave the ball away 14 times. Through seven games in 2015, they have given the ball away 9 times.

I was thinking about this stat the other week and how we preached the hell out of it last year but how horrible we have been recently. I think the ship has been righted and we should start seeing Seahawk football being played again.
 

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I always said there is a big difference in an interception on a deep pass that gets picked on the 10-20 yard line of the opponent vs a up the middle pass on your own 30

I know this makes sense to everyone but most stats don't take that into account. So what if you on 3rd down throw a 40 yard ball that gets intercepted inside the opponents 20.......
 
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mikeak":9xs96cbs said:
I always said there is a big difference in an interception on a deep pass that gets picked on the 10-20 yard line of the opponent vs a up the middle pass on your own 30

I know this makes sense to everyone but most stats don't take that into account. So what if you on 3rd down throw a 40 yard ball that gets intercepted inside the opponents 20.......

Yeah, there's a difference in odds of it hurting your team.

in 2015 so far, that difference is 20 touchdowns.

http://pfref.com/tiny/RF4eF

http://pfref.com/tiny/V1XT3

Minus it being 3rd down anyway, just a matter of field position, right?
 

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mikeak":4defezqw said:
I always said there is a big difference in an interception on a deep pass that gets picked on the 10-20 yard line of the opponent vs a up the middle pass on your own 30

I know this makes sense to everyone but most stats don't take that into account. So what if you on 3rd down throw a 40 yard ball that gets intercepted inside the opponents 20.......


This is a valid thought, but if we can make more drives, keep the ball more longer and manage the time of possession, we have a better chance of playing till the finish. We need to give the defense rest and every time the ball is turned over, we are not tiring the opposing defense and we are putting lot more pressure on our defense. Besides, our special teams can also give an opportunity of getting us the ball during a punt, so those are the situations where I think an interception becomes a negative play. Turning over the ball will never put points on the board. It might be a field position game as you put it, but there is always an opportunity when picked off for the opposing team to do a pick 6 or make a great run to take away the benefit you are thinking about.
 

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seahawks08":3b3jqfd0 said:
mikeak":3b3jqfd0 said:
I always said there is a big difference in an interception on a deep pass that gets picked on the 10-20 yard line of the opponent vs a up the middle pass on your own 30

I know this makes sense to everyone but most stats don't take that into account. So what if you on 3rd down throw a 40 yard ball that gets intercepted inside the opponents 20.......


This is a valid thought, but if we can make more drives, keep the ball more longer and manage the time of possession, we have a better chance of playing till the finish. We need to give the defense rest and every time the ball is turned over, we are not tiring the opposing defense and we are putting lot more pressure on our defense. Besides, our special teams can also give an opportunity of getting us the ball during a punt, so those are the situations where I think an interception becomes a negative play. Turning over the ball will never put points on the board. It might be a field position game as you put it, but there is always an opportunity when picked off for the opposing team to do a pick 6 or make a great run to take away the benefit you are thinking about.

While I agree I also don't think that all those plays ends in turnovers. What I think that deep ball accomplishes is mainly two fold

1) Sometimes you catch it. You should work on a decent percentage. Now you moved the chains and if you get stopped on the next set of downs you are way further downfield which is obviously better

2) You open up the run game. You don't take those shots you won't open up the running game. Next 3rd down and 4 you can run a play action and get your yardage

What leaves the defense on the field and costs game is predictability and we have ton of it when we have the lead and get conservative.
 

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Laloosh":z87gc96b said:
mikeak":z87gc96b said:
I always said there is a big difference in an interception on a deep pass that gets picked on the 10-20 yard line of the opponent vs a up the middle pass on your own 30

I know this makes sense to everyone but most stats don't take that into account. So what if you on 3rd down throw a 40 yard ball that gets intercepted inside the opponents 20.......

Yeah, there's a difference in odds of it hurting your team.

in 2015 so far, that difference is 20 touchdowns.

http://pfref.com/tiny/RF4eF

http://pfref.com/tiny/V1XT3

Minus it being 3rd down anyway, just a matter of field position, right?

Not sure I get your point as in if you are agreeing with me or not. Nice site and what is interesting is that drive starting inside own 20 based on an int has a TD ratio of 12.5% per your link but the overall percentage of drives starting inside 20 yard line has a TD ratio of 18.1%

http://pfref.com/tiny/TqHqd

So I wonder if the offense not being ready to get on the field / being surprised changes things or if the playcalling changes things or there just isn't enoug of a sample.....

EDIT: Ran the same starting 2000 - 2015

Any drive starting inside the 20 -- http://pfref.com/tiny/orEG8 -- TD % 14.6%, FG 9.2%

Inside 20 starting on INT / Fumble -- http://pfref.com/tiny/pyYn9 -- TD% 12.4%, FG 8%
 
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mikeak":2zykivsp said:
Laloosh":2zykivsp said:
mikeak":2zykivsp said:
I always said there is a big difference in an interception on a deep pass that gets picked on the 10-20 yard line of the opponent vs a up the middle pass on your own 30

I know this makes sense to everyone but most stats don't take that into account. So what if you on 3rd down throw a 40 yard ball that gets intercepted inside the opponents 20.......

Yeah, there's a difference in odds of it hurting your team.

in 2015 so far, that difference is 20 touchdowns.

http://pfref.com/tiny/RF4eF

http://pfref.com/tiny/V1XT3

Minus it being 3rd down anyway, just a matter of field position, right?

Not sure I get your point as in if you are agreeing with me or not.

Agreeing with. Also just trying to provide some data that supports it. But... the odds of any set of downs starting inside the opp 30 has a higher likelihood of leading to points than any set of downs starting inside of your own 20.
 
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