Dan Kelly quotes I wish got stapled to Bevell's forehead

Quotes from Danny Kelly article about Bears resurgent offence

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/19/9750638/bears?_ga=1.81375255.1891996111.1447209417

"When you're taking on a team that features a multitude of first-rounders on the defensive line (Rams), you've got to be prepared to get the ball out of your quarterback's hands quickly."

"Nothing Chicago is doing is super innovative or unique, old-school concepts and old-school schemes, but the mix of play-calls and excellent game planning by John Fox and Gase has shown up. It's utilizing your weapons correctly. It's getting the most of your personnel. It's keeping the defense off balance and guessing."

Bevell has never been a part of or a key member of an innovative or effective offense. Brett Farve simi-fired him as OC with the Vikings.

Bevells biggest weakness.. he doesnt know how to utilize the talent around him. His ego wants to prove that his scheme is a winner at the cost of the team and the players.

gcolby":l9rbdnvp said:

Quotes from Danny Kelly article about Bears resurgent offence

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/19/9750638/bears?_ga=1.81375255.1891996111.1447209417

"When you're taking on a team that features a multitude of first-rounders on the defensive line (Rams), you've got to be prepared to get the ball out of your quarterback's hands quickly."

"Nothing Chicago is doing is super innovative or unique, old-school concepts and old-school schemes, but the mix of play-calls and excellent game planning by John Fox and Gase has shown up. It's utilizing your weapons correctly. It's getting the most of your personnel. It's keeping the defense off balance and guessing."

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The Bears OL is far superior to ours.. especially considering we drew the Rams in the opener and the Bears got them 10 weeks in.

Not to defend Bevell, but the line never really gave much of a chance for anything to really get clicking.

sdog1981":1lnaqfeq said:

Bevell has never been a part of or a key member of an innovative or effective offense. Brett Farve simi-fired him as OC with the Vikings.

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This is totally false any way you slice it.

sdog1981":vnojqenj said:

Bevell has never been a part of or a key member of an innovative or effective offense. Brett Farve simi-fired him as OC with the Vikings.

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Well he was the OC when the seahawks made 2 superbowls. So you are incorrect.

redhawk253":uhn8e9xd said:

Bevells biggest weakness.. he doesnt know how to utilize the talent around him. His ego wants to prove that his scheme is a winner at the cost of the team and the players.

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Or maybe, just maybe, when he's being told to run the best scrambling offense that features ball control and conservatism but also uses a constantly improvising quarterback within an offense that needs to throw a ton to a mobile tight end who can't block but is expected too while making the run game its focal point while somebody else calls the run plays and coaches/develops the O-line which is also highly lacking in talent...

This is actually a harder job than people want to give him credit for.

How many of the broadcast announcers have called out Bevell's unimaginative and predictable game plans this season? It's happened in at least 4 games from what I recall. It's pretty rare to hear that from an objective, independent announcer.

marko358":e4loww1q said:

How many of the broadcast announcers have called out Bevell's unimaginative and predictable game plans this season? It's happened in at least 4 games from what I recall. It's pretty rare to hear that from an objective, independent announcer.

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TRUTH! :th2thumbs:

2Cool4School":38rsy8l4 said:

sdog1981":38rsy8l4 said:

Bevell has never been a part of or a key member of an innovative or effective offense. Brett Farve simi-fired him as OC with the Vikings.

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Well he was the OC when the seahawks made 2 superbowls. So you are incorrect.

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Apple's and oranges there. Super bowl appearance does not equal effective offense. Both nfccg's had pretty crap offenses coupled with ill timed calls rescued by miraculous or improbable stellar plays.

This is the weakest of all Bevell defenses that is unfortunately slung around the most.

Optimus25":236lzs9s said:

This is the weakest of all Bevell defenses that is unfortunately slung around the most.

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You're right.

Evidence of the team going to two Super Bowls is incredibly weak when the other side of the argument can say stuff like, "Hey! How many announcers have questioned Bevell's play calling this year?"

That's a much more water tight argument.

PS

DVOA on Football Outsiders gave Seattle a top ten offense in 2014. They're currently at #11.

But announcers...

Optimus25":3ostp2k0 said:

2Cool4School":3ostp2k0 said:

sdog1981":3ostp2k0 said:

Bevell has never been a part of or a key member of an innovative or effective offense. Brett Farve simi-fired him as OC with the Vikings.

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Well he was the OC when the seahawks made 2 superbowls. So you are incorrect.

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Apple's and oranges there. Super bowl appearance does not equal effective offense. Both nfccg's had pretty crap offenses coupled with ill timed calls rescued by miraculous or improbable stellar plays.

This is the weakest of all Bevell defenses that is unfortunately slung around the most.

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Yeah, it happens in a vacuum. Offense gets no credit. What a pathetic way to point a finger.

theENGLISHseahawk":2fadqpwe said:

PS

DVOA on Football Outsiders gave Seattle a top ten offense in 2014. They're currently at #11.

But announcers...

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You know damn well what quadrant of the league Bevell would be in if FO gave a DVOA value to offensive coordinators, English. Don't try to mislead.

2Cool4School":16rss4b8 said:

sdog1981":16rss4b8 said:

Bevell has never been a part of or a key member of an innovative or effective offense. Brett Farve simi-fired him as OC with the Vikings.

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Well he was the OC when the seahawks made 2 superbowls. So you are incorrect.

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I don't think it is Bevells offense alone, I think it is Tom Cable's scheme of run blocking that opened up the passing game. This year Tom Cable is scratching his head as he is got the physique players that fit his mold but zero experience. So Bevell's passing game is not opening up. Otherwise at least one receiver would be clearly open if the opposing defenses have to load up the box, now they don't since the front 4 of any defense can easily go through any of the gaps that are not being blocked in the scheme. The Oline is still learning fellas, we are never a high octane passing team, our passing scheme was hold on to the ball, scramble around, find someone not in coverage, and throw it to them. Our redzone offense took such a big hit, because we can't run a complex throwing game.

theENGLISHseahawk":1cwn2s74 said:

Optimus25":1cwn2s74 said:

This is the weakest of all Bevell defenses that is unfortunately slung around the most.

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You're right.

Evidence of the team going to two Super Bowls is incredibly weak when the other side of the argument can say stuff like, "Hey! How many announcers have questioned Bevell's play calling this year?"

That's a much more water tight argument.

PS

DVOA on Football Outsiders gave Seattle a top ten offense in 2014. They're currently at #11.

But announcers...

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You have got to be kidding.
This is where you can pull your head out of stat land and face the reality of an eye test.

Use your dvoa to defend the nfccg please. Or the one before that. Or sb 49. Took a nobody receiver to rescue Bevell then. I'm pretty sure we had negative yardage going into the middle of the fourth quarter of the last nfccg.

Every loss this year would have been a win if we could have either sustained one fourth quarter drive or flipped field position one or two more times.

And the main time we were called out by an announcer was nationally by colinsworth, who was dead on when he said we werent isolating Jimmy properly and we were abandoning the run at the wrong times.

Regardless dvoa rank is another topic entirely. With an average intelligence, keep it simple, skilled coordinator i believe rw, jfg, and baldwin lynch lockette should by default be in the top ten annually. So your almost boasting there actually is underperformance IMO.

using dvoa to defend Bevell is like using fantasy football to defend kaepernick. Points might be there at the end of the day, but the overall mission is being compromised.

Ding!
Ding!
Ding!

Nailed it.

However, DB will never comprehend simple offensive concepts.

redhawk253":3sks1ic7 said:

Bevells biggest weakness.. he doesnt know how to utilize the talent around him. His ego wants to prove that his scheme is a winner at the cost of the team and the players.

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I might think this was true if I actually thought Bevell had a scheme.

Siouxhawk":37rihdw1 said:

sdog1981":37rihdw1 said:

Bevell has never been a part of or a key member of an innovative or effective offense. Brett Farve simi-fired him as OC with the Vikings.

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This is totally false any way you slice it.

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How do you figure? His time at Wisconsin under Barry Alvarez and Brad Childress when they ran the ball 45 times a game? When his was the QB coach in Green Bay and commanded so little respect from Farve that he was the student and Farve was the teacher? Oh I know when he took over as the Vikings OC when they had one of the best defenses in the league and was ranked 20th and lower in 3rd down conversions?


Oh and here is a Football Outsiders article shredding Bevell and his predicable play calls.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/audibl ... -bowl-xlix


Also here are the stats from the NFL you can see that a Bevell run offense is always ranked below 20th completing 34 percent or lower on 3rd downs keeping very good defenses on the field until they collapse in the 4th qtr. This link starts in 2006 you can just go to every year till now.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... PERCENTAGE


And my final fact based comment is also from football outsiders showing how stupid easy our passing game is to stop and bad Tom Cable is at line development.


http://www.footballoutsiders.com/files/ ... Sample.pdf

sdog1981":3pqzf637 said:

Siouxhawk":3pqzf637 said:

sdog1981":3pqzf637 said:

Bevell has never been a part of or a key member of an innovative or effective offense. Brett Farve simi-fired him as OC with the Vikings.

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This is totally false any way you slice it.

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How do you figure? His time at Wisconsin under Barry Alvarez and Brad Childress when they ran the ball 45 times a game? When his was the QB coach in Green Bay and commanded so little respect from Farve that he was the student and Farve was the teacher? Oh I know when he took over as the Vikings OC when they had one of the best defenses in the league and was ranked 20th and lower in 3rd down conversions?


Oh and here is a Football Outsiders article shredding Bevell and his predicable play calls.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/audibl ... -bowl-xlix


Also here are the stats from the NFL you can see that a Bevell run offense is always ranked below 20th completing 34 percent or lower on 3rd downs keeping very good defenses on the field until they collapse in the 4th qtr. This link starts in 2006 you can just go to every year till now.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... PERCENTAGE


And my final fact based comment is also from football outsiders showing how stupid easy our passing game is to stop and bad Tom Cable is at line development.


http://www.footballoutsiders.com/files/ ... Sample.pdf

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None of the articles or links to stats that you supplied mean squat. The Football Outsiders stuff is akin to the very forum we are on. The stats are what they are and come as no surprise to anyone who has been discussing our offense this year. But boiling it down, our offense has hindered by the development of our offensive line first and foremost and our overall stats have suffered.

But when it comes to the Vikings, I don't know what you're trying to get at. With Bevell calling the offense, the Vikes were one poorly-thrown Favre ball from making the Super Bowl. Bevell's offense,in fact, kept Minnesota in the game despite the fact that it fumbled the ball away five times -- 3 alone by Adrian Peterson.
The offense there was similar to what the identity of the Hawks have been the last 2 years and what we're striving for today ... defense and run-heavy ground game. Swap out Adrian for Marshawn and a turnover-hawking defense that kept the opponents off the board and that Viking team of 2009 was pretty similar to what the Hawks have put out there the last 2 years.
Bevell is the perfect OC for what Pete is trying to do here. If the Hawks decide to change the identity of what kind of offense they want to run, that's the only time you could even consider a change.
But as I said before, Bevell is the best choice possible to be part of the solution going forward. And Pete knows that.

Yeah that OC for the Ravens was the reason they won a Super Bowl also, that defense was nothing without that powerful offensive Juggernaut as well, If I remember correctly he was fired not long after the next season wasn't he. Matt Cavanaugh was the OC is he even in the league now?