How much $$ do we really save cutting Lynch?

bbsplitter · Jan 20, 2016

I've heard people throw out his overall cap hit as the savings for if we cut him, I've heard people say its only partial because he is already getting guaranteed money, what really would be the amount saved if we cut him?

kidhawk · Jan 20, 2016

his deal had a signing bonus of $7.5 million spread over 3 years. There is $5 million of that money left. He is due $9 million this coming season. If we straight up cut him and eat the dead money we save $4 million in cap space. If we wait and cut him after June 1 we can choose to split that over 2 years and eat the dead money slower which means we could free up $6.5 million in the upcoming season but still have $2.5 million on the cap for the following year.

Largent80 · Jan 20, 2016

$1.50

redhawk253 · Jan 20, 2016

pretty sure he is due 11.5 mill... 5 mill in dead cap.. 6.5 mill in savings if he is traded or cut.

bbsplitter · Jan 20, 2016

kidhawk":2dpywmwz said:
his deal had a signing bonus of $7.5 million spread over 3 years. There is $5 million of that money left. He is due $9 million this coming season. If we straight up cut him and eat the dead money we save $4 million in cap space. If we wait and cut him after June 1 we can choose to split that over 2 years and eat the dead money slower which means we could free up $6.5 million in the upcoming season but still have $2.5 million on the cap for the following year.

$4 mil seems like pretty small savings considering the quality of back they would be losing. Even if he were to only serve as a back up role to the main man Rawls, I don't know if it would be worth it to lose him over 4mil. If they were to split the hit across the two years then maybe I could see it, but even then, accounting for the amount they would spend replacing him with a solid veteran, It still might not be worth it. Granted, if they get into a cap crunch, I don't think he is quite "integral" to the team anymore like he used to be.

Hawkstorian · Jan 20, 2016

We save his $9M salary, and get the benefit of that as $6.5M in 2016 and $2.5M in 2017.

Hasselbeck · Jan 20, 2016

He's gone. I loved Lynch, you loved Lynch.. but he's gone. There's no way this team will keep him around as a backup at that cost.

McGruff · Jan 20, 2016

kidhawk":27ail8a4 said:
his deal had a signing bonus of $7.5 million spread over 3 years. There is $5 million of that money left. He is due $9 million this coming season. If we straight up cut him and eat the dead money we save $4 million in cap space. If we wait and cut him after June 1 we can choose to split that over 2 years and eat the dead money slower which means we could free up $6.5 million in the upcoming season but still have $2.5 million on the cap for the following year.

Actually we save more.

His salary plus cap proration for 2016 is 11.5 million (9 salary and 2.5 bonus proration). Cutting him pre-June 1st saves all the salary but brings the $5million proration against that 11.5 . . . saving us 6.5 million total. If we designate him a post June 1st cut, we save $9million but it costs us $2.5 million next year.

kearly · Jan 20, 2016

Largent80":37i35fhr said:
$1.50

$1.05

Freedom isn't free.

jammerhawk · Jan 20, 2016

So the real issue is does the team want to prorate the cap saving over two seasons?

johnnyfever · Jan 20, 2016

Clayton tweeted he is done regardless. I don't know if that was from lynch's mouth or the hawks camp.

onanygivensunday · Jan 20, 2016

jammerhawk":jjk2dlgy said:
So the real issue is does the team want to prorate the cap saving over two seasons?

Likely not because the cap space that you free up this year ($9.0M) would not be available until June 1st... way after free agency starts. The rub is for designated post-June 1st cuts, the player and his salary cap stay on the books until June 1st.

If Pete and Carroll want to use Lynch's cap space to sign our own FAs or other UFAs (DUH!, of course they do), they need all the cap space they can get before June 1st... so I predict Marshawn will be a pre-June 1st cut... and cutting him will free up $6.5M to use on our own FAs before FA starts... and on other FAs after FA starts if Pete and John are so inclined.

onanygivensunday · Jan 20, 2016

johnnyfever":jwwsvg2n said:
Clayton tweeted he is done regardless. I don't know if that was from lynch's mouth or the hawks camp.

That is John's opinion, as he stated it this afternoon on Danny, Dave and Moore ESPN710 show this afternoon,

onanygivensunday · Jan 20, 2016

peachesenregalia":28swmrit said:
johnnyfever":28swmrit said:

Clayton tweeted he is done regardless. I don't know if that was from lynch's mouth or the hawks camp.

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So if he retires, does that change the potential cap savings?

Possibly.

If he retires before being cut, I believe, AND Seattle recovers the $5M in prorated signing bonus for 2016 and 2017, then I believe that the $5M comes off the team's salary cap books.

If he is cut, then there's no team option to recover the $5M... and therefore no opportunity for it to come off the books.

BattleOfSeattle · Jan 20, 2016

kearly":r3rjp76t said:
Largent80":r3rjp76t said:

$1.50

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$1.05

Freedom isn't free.

Underrated comment right here.

Erebus · Jan 20, 2016

onanygivensunday":x92ubct4 said:
jammerhawk":x92ubct4 said:

So the real issue is does the team want to prorate the cap saving over two seasons?

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Likely not because the cap space that you free up this year ($9.0M) would not be available until June 1st... way after free agency starts. The rub is for designated post-June 1st cuts, the player and his salary cap stay on the books until June 1st.

If Pete and Carroll want to use Lynch's cap space to sign our own FAs or other UFAs (DUH!, of course they do), they need all the cap space they can get before June 1st... so I predict Marshawn will be a pre-June 1st cut... and cutting him will free up $6.5M to use on our own FAs before FA starts... and on other FAs after FA starts if Pete and John are so inclined.

They need a few million dollars to sign their draft picks. They can designate Lynch as a post-June 1 cut, spend their currently available money on free agents, and use the extra $2.5M savings to sign their draft class after June 1st.

onanygivensunday · Jan 20, 2016

Erebus":2d5vxemz said:
onanygivensunday":2d5vxemz said:

jammerhawk":2d5vxemz said:

So the real issue is does the team want to prorate the cap saving over two seasons?

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Likely not because the cap space that you free up this year ($9.0M) would not be available until June 1st... way after free agency starts. The rub is for designated post-June 1st cuts, the player and his salary cap stay on the books until June 1st.

If Pete and Carroll want to use Lynch's cap space to sign our own FAs or other UFAs (DUH!, of course they do), they need all the cap space they can get before June 1st... so I predict Marshawn will be a pre-June 1st cut... and cutting him will free up $6.5M to use on our own FAs before FA starts... and on other FAs after FA starts if Pete and John are so inclined.

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They need a few million dollars to sign their draft picks. They can designate Lynch as a post-June 1 cut, spend their currently available money on free agents, and use the extra $2.5M savings to sign their draft class after June 1st.

Not quite.

The problem with your plan is if the team designates Lynch as a June 1st cut, they can't spend any of his money ($9.0M) until June 1st... those are the rules. He stays on the roster and his salary counts against Seattle's cap until June 1st, at which time he disappears from the roster and $9.0M is added back to the team's available cap space..

The window to sign your own FAs without interference from other clubs closes on March 7th.

The only way cutting Lynch helps Pete and John sign their own FAs with the freed up $6.5M is to cut him pre-June 1st.

That's it.

Fade · Jan 20, 2016

I see him being traded. He won't be cut.

Ozzy · Jan 21, 2016

He will be cut. I don't think anyone is taking on that contract unless they have a ton of money to spend. Jax is in that position but they have a good young back in Yeldon.

Skansi82 · Jan 21, 2016

kearly":3n4ur81e said:
Largent80":3n4ur81e said:

$1.50

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$1.05

Freedom isn't free.

Dude it's too early in the morning! I literally choked on my coffee cracking up when I read that. Said in a voice trailing off ".........freedom costs a buck o' five.........."

#comeoneverybodywe'vegotquiltin'todo

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