10am starts question.

I'm not sure how to find it but I'm curious if anyone knows the last couple years when we had the #1 seed. What teams played the 10am starts?

Also what seed was SanFran in 13 when they traveled to GB and then Carolina. Were either of those games 10am starts?

Just curious. If you know the answere or how to look it up I would appreciate the help.

RichNhansom":2vs4kllz said:

I'm not sure how to find it but I'm curious if anyone knows the last couple years when we had the #1 seed. What teams played the 10am starts?

Also what seed was SanFran in 13 when they traveled to GB and then Carolina. Were either of those games 10am starts?

Just curious. If you know the answere or how to look it up I would appreciate the help.

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have you tried looking up previous year schedules? OR even wikipedia is a good source.

http://www.real.com/resources/watch-2013-nfl-playoffs/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf ... e/2093613/

Those will help for 2013. May find it INTERESTING.


Took a lot of searching to find what I wanted to see to get those posts. I would assume that you could probably go to those sites for their analysis of the other years too.

2012-13 Time is EST



Wild Card playoffs
Cincinnati Bengals 13–19 Houston Texans January 5, 2013 4:30 pm NBC
Minnesota Vikings 10–24 Green Bay Packers January 5, 2013 8:00 pm NBC
Indianapolis Colts 9–24 Baltimore Ravens January 6, 2013 1:00 pm CBS
Seattle Seahawks 24–14 Washington Redskins January 6, 2013 4:30 pm Fox
Divisional playoffs
Baltimore Ravens 38–35 (2OT) Denver Broncos January 12, 2013 4:30 pm CBS
Green Bay Packers 31–45 San Francisco 49ers January 12, 2013 8:00 pm Fox
Seattle Seahawks 28–30 Atlanta Falcons January 13, 2013 1:00 pm Fox
Houston Texans 28–41 New England Patriots January 13, 2013 4:30 pm CBS
Conference Championships
San Francisco 49ers 28–24 Atlanta Falcons January 20, 2013 3:00 pm Fox
Baltimore Ravens 28–13 New England Patriots January 20, 2013 6:30 pm CBS
Super Bowl XLVII
Mercedes-Benz Superdome, New Orleans, Louisiana
Baltimore Ravens 34–31 San Francisco 49ers February 3, 2013 6:30 pm CBS

2013-14 - 49ers 5th seed.

Kansas City Chiefs 44–45 Indianapolis Colts January 4, 2014 4:35 pm NBC
New Orleans Saints 26–24 Philadelphia Eagles January 4, 2014 8:10 pm NBC
San Diego Chargers 27–10 Cincinnati Bengals January 5, 2014 1:05 pm CBS
San Francisco 49ers 23–20 Green Bay Packers January 5, 2014 4:40 pm Fox
Divisional playoffs
New Orleans Saints 15–23 Seattle Seahawks January 11, 2014 4:35 pm Fox
Indianapolis Colts 22–43 New England Patriots January 11, 2014 8:15 pm CBS
San Francisco 49ers 23–10 Carolina Panthers January 12, 2014 1:05 pm Fox
San Diego Chargers 17–24 Denver Broncos January 12, 2014 4:40 pm CBS
Conference Championships
New England Patriots 16–26 Denver Broncos January 19, 2014 3:00 pm CBS
San Francisco 49ers 17–23 Seattle Seahawks January 19, 2014 6:30 pm Fox
Super Bowl XLVIII
MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, New Jersey
Seattle Seahawks 43–8 Denver Broncos February 2, 2014 6:25 pm Fox

2014-15

Arizona Cardinals 16–27 Carolina Panthers January 3, 2015 4:35 p.m. ESPN
Baltimore Ravens 30–17 Pittsburgh Steelers January 3, 2015 8:15 p.m. NBC
Cincinnati Bengals 10–26 Indianapolis Colts January 4, 2015 1:05 p.m. CBS
Detroit Lions 20–24 Dallas Cowboys January 4, 2015 4:40 p.m. Fox
Divisional playoffs
Baltimore Ravens 31–35 New England Patriots January 10, 2015 4:35 p.m. NBC
Carolina Panthers 17–31 Seattle Seahawks January 10, 2015 8:15 p.m. Fox
Dallas Cowboys 21–26 Green Bay Packers January 11, 2015 1:05 p.m. Fox
Indianapolis Colts 24–13 Denver Broncos January 11, 2015 4:40 p.m. CBS
Conference Championships
Green Bay Packers 22–28 (OT) Seattle Seahawks January 18, 2015 3:05 p.m. Fox
Indianapolis Colts 7–45 New England Patriots January 18, 2015 6:50 p.m. CBS
Super Bowl XLIX
University of Phoenix Stadium, Glendale, Arizona
New England Patriots 28–24 Seattle Seahawks February 1, 2015 6:30 p.m. NBC

So it seems that most years one west coast team plays a 10am game. And while I feel that it was a bit unfair for the Hawks toplay 2 of them in the same year, it appears that they are the only ones to have any problems winning those games.

There is a big difference playing regular season 10 am games and playing playoff 10 am games.

1 The quality of play during the playoff is much higher
2 The intensity that you find in the playoff is not as much during the regular season.

Seahawks are not the only ones to have issues winning those games, as someone else pointed out, that perhaps the greatest teams of the NFL,, Joe Montana's 49ers , never won a playoff 10:00 am game.

More importantly RichnHansom, aren't you supposed to be working right now?

What part of "Home Field Advantage" are people not getting?

It's not just weather and fans; it's also the time difference. If we don't like 10am games, the solution is to control HFA. When we're a wild card, we don't have that luxury and lose all right to complain about it.

East coast dont have to worry about that even if they are Wild Card, so NO! Westcoast teams should never have a disadvantage just because of their location. 10am in playoff games should never happen.

Since 2001
Seahawks are 1-5 in 10am playoff games. The only game they won was a gift from the football gods against the Vikings this year.

49ers 1-2

Chargers - Did not have any 10am or earlier games. I had to go back 20 years & they won that game against the Stealers in 95.

Raiders - Did not have any 10am games so I went back 20+ years too & they were 0-3.

I find it funny that the Seahawks has the majority of 10am games on the Westcoast.

Someone mention in another thread that Joe Montana never won a 10am playoff game as a 49er. I looked it up & sure enough he is 0-3. One his worse defeat was in 86 against the Giants 3-49. Montana career playoff record 19-5.

In 25 years the playoff record for 10am westocast teams are 3-13. .188% win percentage

That's the Browns record for this year.

KiwiHawk":vzuk2u42 said:

What part of "Home Field Advantage" are people not getting?

It's not just weather and fans; it's also the time difference. If we don't like 10am games, the solution is to control HFA. When we're a wild card, we don't have that luxury and lose all right to complain about it.

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This.

It wasn't a problem for the 2013 Hawks, why is it now?

Same deal with penalties.

Bottomline your team is either good enough to deal with a reasonable level of (non-QB) injuries, penalties, road games and/or 10 AM games to win or they aren't. This year seems to be the year of the Panthers, good for them. I do look forward to next year for the Hawks though as the offense seems to be turning the corner.

KiwiHawk":w0shslxm said:

What part of "Home Field Advantage" are people not getting?

It's not just weather and fans; it's also the time difference. If we don't like 10am games, the solution is to control HFA. When we're a wild card, we don't have that luxury and lose all right to complain about it.

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Well then, maybe when we get "Home Field Advantage" again (and we will) we should have the advantage of Making our East Coast opponents to play while wearing an eye patch.
You'd think that be powers that be in the NFL would be completely neutral and show no bias, neither team should have any obvious circumstantial advantages.
It should be all about who comes out the TRUE victor when NEITHER team is given any kind of extra advantages, and BOTH presenting their best.
Anything else is chicken dung.

ZagHawk":2vf9w2l7 said:

KiwiHawk":2vf9w2l7 said:

What part of "Home Field Advantage" are people not getting?

It's not just weather and fans; it's also the time difference. If we don't like 10am games, the solution is to control HFA. When we're a wild card, we don't have that luxury and lose all right to complain about it.

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This.

It wasn't a problem for the 2013 Hawks, why is it now?

Same deal with penalties.

Bottomline your team is either good enough to deal with a reasonable level of (non-QB) injuries, penalties, road games and/or 10 AM games to win or they aren't. This year seems to be the year of the Panthers, good for them. I do look forward to next year for the Hawks though as the offense seems to be turning the corner.

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So, you agree that the #6 seed should have to deal with any and all EXTRA disadvantages? LOLOL okay.

KiwiHawk":2mz6cd80 said:

What part of "Home Field Advantage" are people not getting?

It's not just weather and fans; it's also the time difference. If we don't like 10am games, the solution is to control HFA. When we're a wild card, we don't have that luxury and lose all right to complain about it.

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I'll say it for the 8000th time, this is a separate discussion. The PROVEN point here is about body clocks and an even playing field OUTSIDE of who's playing at home in their own stadium, sleeping in their own beds, etc. That's what HFA should be about, not a PROVEN body clock disadvantage. IF the NFL was truly about, parity as they state they are, there would NEVER be a 10:00 Pacific/1:00 PM Eastern start for San Fran, Seattle, LA, Oakland, San Diego, Denver or AZ.

rcaido":2mz6cd80 said:

East coast dont have to worry about that even if they are Wild Card............

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THIS is all the argument you need to refute the "well if you're the #1 seed you don't have to worry about it" point of view. It IS slanted in favor of eastern and central time zone teams, pure and simple.

hawksfansinceday1":354irj9g said:

KiwiHawk":354irj9g said:

What part of "Home Field Advantage" are people not getting?

It's not just weather and fans; it's also the time difference. If we don't like 10am games, the solution is to control HFA. When we're a wild card, we don't have that luxury and lose all right to complain about it.

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I'll say it for the 8000th time, this is a separate discussion. The PROVEN point here is about body clocks and an even playing field OUTSIDE of who's playing at home in their own stadium, sleeping in their own beds, etc. That's what HFA should be about, not a PROVEN body clock disadvantage. IF the NFL was truly about, parity as they state they are, there would NEVER be a 10:00 Pacific/1:00 PM Eastern start for San Fran, Seattle, LA, Oakland, San Diego, Denver or AZ.

rcaido":354irj9g said:

East coast dont have to worry about that even if they are Wild Card............

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THIS is all the argument you need to refute the "well if you're the #1 seed you don't have to worry about it" point of view. It IS slanted in favor of eastern and central time zone teams, pure and simple.

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But when thinking about the rationale behind the 10 AM starts, it's not really "Well, we really want to hose those West Coast teams", rather, it's a byproduct of trying to accrue as much revenue as possible and it just so happens that the majority of teams and fans live out that way. It's a crappy outcome that we pay the price for populations and geography.

mrt144":1l0dfujc said:

hawksfansinceday1":1l0dfujc said:

KiwiHawk":1l0dfujc said:

What part of "Home Field Advantage" are people not getting?

It's not just weather and fans; it's also the time difference. If we don't like 10am games, the solution is to control HFA. When we're a wild card, we don't have that luxury and lose all right to complain about it.

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I'll say it for the 8000th time, this is a separate discussion. The PROVEN point here is about body clocks and an even playing field OUTSIDE of who's playing at home in their own stadium, sleeping in their own beds, etc. That's what HFA should be about, not a PROVEN body clock disadvantage. IF the NFL was truly about, parity as they state they are, there would NEVER be a 10:00 Pacific/1:00 PM Eastern start for San Fran, Seattle, LA, Oakland, San Diego, Denver or AZ.

rcaido":1l0dfujc said:

East coast dont have to worry about that even if they are Wild Card............

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THIS is all the argument you need to refute the "well if you're the #1 seed you don't have to worry about it" point of view. It IS slanted in favor of eastern and central time zone teams, pure and simple.

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But when thinking about the rationale behind the 10 AM starts, it's not really "Well, we really want to hose those West Coast teams", rather, it's a byproduct of trying to accrue as much revenue as possible and it just so happens that the majority of teams and fans live out that way. It's a crappy outcome that we pay the price for populations and geography.

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So you're saying revenues based on TV ratings would be lower if JUST the games involving Pacific and Mountain teams playing in Eastern and Central started at 4:00 Eastern? Cuz if so, I ain't buying. Ratings for the NFL are high no matter when games are played. As far as fans attending the games, they go to games in the Eastern time zone that start at 8:30 PM so how would a 4:00 game be impactful? Yeah dude, I do STRONGLY believe Eastern teams keep it this way as a competitive advantage. There is NO logical reason outside of that.

ZagHawk":3f28a7jw said:

KiwiHawk":3f28a7jw said:

What part of "Home Field Advantage" are people not getting?

It's not just weather and fans; it's also the time difference. If we don't like 10am games, the solution is to control HFA. When we're a wild card, we don't have that luxury and lose all right to complain about it.

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This.

It wasn't a problem for the 2013 Hawks, why is it now?

Same deal with penalties.

Bottomline your team is either good enough to deal with a reasonable level of (non-QB) injuries, penalties, road games and/or 10 AM games to win or they aren't. This year seems to be the year of the Panthers, good for them. I do look forward to next year for the Hawks though as the offense seems to be turning the corner.

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This statement is not true.

The lower seeds have built in disadvantages, Travel, playing in a hostile environment, strange bed those all are the same exact disadvantages a New York or California lower seed has.

The major difference is the New York lower seed will never have the ADDITIONAL disadvantage of having to play at 10am body time. That specific disadvantage is saved solely for the West coast or in this scenario the California lower seed.

mrt144":2d6h22ck said:

hawksfansinceday1":2d6h22ck said:

KiwiHawk":2d6h22ck said:

What part of "Home Field Advantage" are people not getting?

It's not just weather and fans; it's also the time difference. If we don't like 10am games, the solution is to control HFA. When we're a wild card, we don't have that luxury and lose all right to complain about it.

Click to expand...

I'll say it for the 8000th time, this is a separate discussion. The PROVEN point here is about body clocks and an even playing field OUTSIDE of who's playing at home in their own stadium, sleeping in their own beds, etc. That's what HFA should be about, not a PROVEN body clock disadvantage. IF the NFL was truly about, parity as they state they are, there would NEVER be a 10:00 Pacific/1:00 PM Eastern start for San Fran, Seattle, LA, Oakland, San Diego, Denver or AZ.

rcaido":2d6h22ck said:

East coast dont have to worry about that even if they are Wild Card............

Click to expand...

THIS is all the argument you need to refute the "well if you're the #1 seed you don't have to worry about it" point of view. It IS slanted in favor of eastern and central time zone teams, pure and simple.

Click to expand...

But when thinking about the rationale behind the 10 AM starts, it's not really "Well, we really want to hose those West Coast teams", rather, it's a byproduct of trying to accrue as much revenue as possible and it just so happens that the majority of teams and fans live out that way. It's a crappy outcome that we pay the price for populations and geography.

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No not purposely hosing the west coast team. But it could easily be fixed. Seattle was the only road West coast team both weekends. No reason they couldn't of played in the 1 pm or 5 pm Sat window or the 1 pm sun window.

Using the home field advantage advantage argument is silly. We have to work harder than the east coast teams to get the #1 seed because of the regular season 10 am game disadvantage. It's like having to run uphill to not have to run uphill a second time. All the while the east coast teams never have to worry about any of that.

scutterhawk":lv5ng6nz said:

ZagHawk":lv5ng6nz said:

KiwiHawk":lv5ng6nz said:

What part of "Home Field Advantage" are people not getting?

It's not just weather and fans; it's also the time difference. If we don't like 10am games, the solution is to control HFA. When we're a wild card, we don't have that luxury and lose all right to complain about it.

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This.

It wasn't a problem for the 2013 Hawks, why is it now?

Same deal with penalties.

Bottomline your team is either good enough to deal with a reasonable level of (non-QB) injuries, penalties, road games and/or 10 AM games to win or they aren't. This year seems to be the year of the Panthers, good for them. I do look forward to next year for the Hawks though as the offense seems to be turning the corner.

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So, you agree that the #6 seed should have to deal with any and all EXTRA disadvantages? LOLOL okay.

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I believe we had home field advantage and didn't worry about 10am games.