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Re: There goes our run game.
Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:07 am
  • McGruff wrote:
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    Scottemojo wrote:Nothing wrong with Sweezy's block on that GIF. He slowed his guy down. Play was a gain. And as pointed out, If Lynch follows the FB, the play is a bigger gain.



    In the wide zone, or stretch, it's not about just slowing the backside down, you want them on the ground. The whole reason for the 1 cut and go is the timing and speed required on that cut to blow by that backside cut while the defender is getting off the ground. If they eliminate that 1 on 1 cut it will be much more difficult to hit that backside run (but I don't think this rule does that). Also, I'm saying backside here but the reality is that there is so much horizontal movement at LOS, that cut is basically an Off Tackle run in relation to original alignment.

    The 7 tech EMOL (end man on line) played outside contain. That's the FB and HB first read (if EMOL helmet is inside tackle/TE bounce, if outside change course to G/T gap). RB's eyes go to the Guard immediately as the running back changes course from aiming at TE's outside hip. Depending on which way the G's hips declare the hole, RB runs inside or outside that block. If the DT gets washed out, Marshawn would have been right on this run.

    In any case, I can't think of a MIKE call where the Playside Guard would be cutting the backside LB. He should initially looked for DT body to combo with the tackle and then moved to the Playside LB and NOT cut him but instead man him up and either run him into the pile of bodies wide or sealed.

    The guy that should have been responsible for the backside cut block is the backside tackle. Notice how #68 blocks nobody and is kind of like WT?! Sweezy blocked his guy instead of staying on his feet with the playside backer. That's why #75 grabs #68 subtly as he releases, to stop that pursuit backside cut block. It's infuriating that the refs don't call that Defensive Holding penalty more but it is what it is.


    Wow. Every once in a while .net shocks me with its knowledge.



    LOL nevermind that I couldn't even figure out who the Center was for 3 posts :?
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Re: There goes our run game.
Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:41 am
  • Sgt Largent wrote:
    McGruff wrote:
    Sgt Largent wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:Nothing wrong with Sweezy's block on that GIF. He slowed his guy down. Play was a gain. And as pointed out, If Lynch follows the FB, the play is a bigger gain.



    In the wide zone, or stretch, it's not about just slowing the backside down, you want them on the ground. The whole reason for the 1 cut and go is the timing and speed required on that cut to blow by that backside cut while the defender is getting off the ground. If they eliminate that 1 on 1 cut it will be much more difficult to hit that backside run (but I don't think this rule does that). Also, I'm saying backside here but the reality is that there is so much horizontal movement at LOS, that cut is basically an Off Tackle run in relation to original alignment.

    The 7 tech EMOL (end man on line) played outside contain. That's the FB and HB first read (if EMOL helmet is inside tackle/TE bounce, if outside change course to G/T gap). RB's eyes go to the Guard immediately as the running back changes course from aiming at TE's outside hip. Depending on which way the G's hips declare the hole, RB runs inside or outside that block. If the DT gets washed out, Marshawn would have been right on this run.

    In any case, I can't think of a MIKE call where the Playside Guard would be cutting the backside LB. He should initially looked for DT body to combo with the tackle and then moved to the Playside LB and NOT cut him but instead man him up and either run him into the pile of bodies wide or sealed.

    The guy that should have been responsible for the backside cut block is the backside tackle. Notice how #68 blocks nobody and is kind of like WT?! Sweezy blocked his guy instead of staying on his feet with the playside backer. That's why #75 grabs #68 subtly as he releases, to stop that pursuit backside cut block. It's infuriating that the refs don't call that Defensive Holding penalty more but it is what it is.


    Wow. Every once in a while .net shocks me with its knowledge.



    LOL nevermind that I couldn't even figure out who the Center was for 3 posts :?


    I was doing the same thing from the backside angle. Trying to figue out who was Sweezy and who was the center, and which of the 3 bodies rolling on the ground did good and which didn't. Its hard to read a GIF.
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Re: There goes our run game.
Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:55 am
  • GIFs don't allow any time for your brain to process what you're seeing--who's where--before the action starts. And when the action is rolling it's so fast that it can be impossible to distinguish people without that initial frame of reference.
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Re: There goes our run game.
Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:07 pm
  • Tom Cable was a horrible coach that cost the Seahawks 3-4 wins every season. No matter what "style" of blocking he picked it would have failed because of his non-coaching.
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Re: There goes our run game.
Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:50 pm
  • I get where this is coming from ..........

    Rule 5: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It's hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

    Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become Ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

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Re: There goes our run game.
Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:46 pm
  • Jville wrote:I get where this is coming from ..........

    Rule 5: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It's hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

    Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become Ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

    ....... rules attributed to S.D.A.


    So, Jville. . . I'm having trouble following (forgive my slowness here). I'm assuming that quoting Alinsky (this is the SDA you mean, right? . . . and not some rules regarding sexual displays of affection or from the seventh-day christian people) has some bearing on the discussion; but for the life of me, I can't figure it out.
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Re: There goes our run game.
Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:04 pm
  • Ad Hawk wrote:
    Jville wrote:I get where this is coming from ..........

    Rule 5: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It's hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

    Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become Ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

    ....... rules attributed to S.D.A.


    So, Jville. . . I'm having trouble following (forgive my slowness here). I'm assuming that quoting Alinsky (this is the SDA you mean, right? . . . and not some rules regarding sexual displays of affection or from the seventh-day christian people) has some bearing on the discussion; but for the life of me, I can't figure it out.


    Your all over it ..... Saul David Alinsky is correct ...... although referencing such a source might brush up against forum etiquette.
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Re: There goes our run game.
Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:06 pm
  • Jville wrote:I get where this is coming from ..........

    Rule 5: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It's hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

    Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become Ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

    ....... rules attributed to S.D.A.


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Re: There goes our run game.
Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:36 pm
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    Mick063 wrote:Chop blocks are now illegal. Is Tom Cable obsolete?


    No, but J.R. Sweezy is.


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Re: There goes our run game.
Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:27 am
  • Mick063 wrote:
    Jville wrote:I get where this is coming from ..........

    Rule 5: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It's hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

    Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become Ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

    ....... rules attributed to S.D.A.


    Not intellectually intimidated in the slightest. There is an old saying: "Know your audience". The most effective speakers/writers attempt to connect. Want to be clearly understood. Those that attempt to communicate at a level beyond median audience comprehension are merely caught up in self perceived superiority.


    Rule 2 : Never go outside the experience of your people. The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

    ....... my condolences to anyone who finds the reading of rules credited to a third party as intellectually intimidating. I really think we are all much stronger than that. Although, I can fully appreciate frustration with the continuing chaos Alinsky's rules bring to discourse ..... all the more reason to expose it's use.
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