Grigson over Schneider 2012 Exec of the Year

Ryan Grigson was awarded the 2012 Executive of the Year award essentially for making what was at the time the most obvious draft choice in NFL history. Schneider built this team from the ground up and that season he hit a number of home runs, yet Grigson (a joke of a GM) got far more votes. This is why you shouldn't get worked up when Seahawks don't get post season awards...they're a farce anyway.

Look at these teams 4 years later. The Colts have an embarrassing roster and Seattle continues to contend. Grigson will never get a GM job again while Schneider would be the hottest name on the market if he became available.

endzorn":20e8xzod said:

Ryan Grigson was awarded the 2012 Executive of the Year award essentially for making what was at the time the most obvious draft choice in NFL history. Schneider built this team from the ground up and that season he hit a number of home runs, yet Grigson (a joke of a GM) got far more votes. This is why you shouldn't get worked up when Seahawks don't get post season awards...they're a farce anyway.

Look at these teams 4 years later. The Colts have an embarrassing roster and Seattle continues to contend. Grigson will never get a GM job again while Schneider would be the hottest name on the market if he became available.

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Bad decisions for awards happen. Still not as bad a choice as Marisa Tomei winning the Oscar for Best Actress in 1993, though.

Reggie Wayne approves of this thread. He gives the exact same comparison (Colts vs Seahawks).

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -struggles

2011 — Trent Baalke, San Francisco 49ers
2012 — Ryan Grigson, Indianapolis Colts
2013 — John Dorsey, Kansas City Chiefs
2014 — Jerry Jones, Dallas Cowboys
2015 — Mike Maccagnan, New York Jets

Baalke, Grigson, Jones and Maccagan? Baalke? Seriously?

McGruff":80jxzh7c said:

2011 — Trent Baalke, San Francisco 49ers
2012 — Ryan Grigson, Indianapolis Colts
2013 — John Dorsey, Kansas City Chiefs
2014 — Jerry Jones, Dallas Cowboys
2015 — Mike Maccagnan, New York Jets

Baalke, Grigson, Jones and Maccagan? Baalke? Seriously?

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That 2011 draft yielded 49er starters for a few years.

Harbaugh doing the job all by himself might have been too much of a stretch.

GMs get benefit of the doubt when teams win.

And no one here was talking smack about Baalke back then.

Look at John Dorsey in 2013? What did he do that was so special? The Alex Smith trade?

If Jerruh Jones wins the award, it tells you the award is worthless. End of story.

HawkAroundTheClock":20z1xr42 said:

Reggie Wayne approves of this thread. He gives the exact same comparison (Colts vs Seahawks).

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -struggles

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Problem with that comparison is RW is good and Luck stinks and is a turn over machine. But yes its all the gm's fault the colts can't win that garbage division.

One of these days Luck will have to take responsibility for his teams crap.

This had gotten me heated since 2012. Colts GM adds bad contracts on defense and makes the same number one pick that all 32 GM's would have made. They need to retroactively give this award to Johnny S like 3 more times.

McGruff":4l9nf02h said:

2011 — Trent Baalke, San Francisco 49ers
2012 — Ryan Grigson, Indianapolis Colts
2013 — John Dorsey, Kansas City Chiefs
2014 — Jerry Jones, Dallas Cowboys
2015 — Mike Maccagnan, New York Jets

Baalke, Grigson, Jones and Maccagan? Baalke? Seriously?

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With company like this pretty sure Schneider will decline the award if they gave it to him...

dukestar":k8vum3ca said:

McGruff":k8vum3ca said:

2011 — Trent Baalke, San Francisco 49ers
2012 — Ryan Grigson, Indianapolis Colts
2013 — John Dorsey, Kansas City Chiefs
2014 — Jerry Jones, Dallas Cowboys
2015 — Mike Maccagnan, New York Jets

Baalke, Grigson, Jones and Maccagan? Baalke? Seriously?

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With company like this pretty sure Schneider will decline the award if they gave it to him...

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:lol:

Exec of the Year is like Coach of the Year or Comeback player of the year.. you have to essentially bottom out and find success the following year to win the award. Does it suck? Yes. But that's just how these awards go.

I'm more interested in the GM of the decade award.... surely John Schneider has a great shot at that one. Who else competes? Patriots? Broncos?

nategreat":1xd6jw1q said:

I'm more interested in the GM of the decade award.... surely John Schneider has a great shot at that one. Who else competes? Patriots? Broncos?

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Good point on the Broncos too. How is John Elway not winning this award lately?

McGruff":qrhk6br4 said:

nategreat":qrhk6br4 said:

I'm more interested in the GM of the decade award.... surely John Schneider has a great shot at that one. Who else competes? Patriots? Broncos?

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Good point on the Broncos too. How is John Elway not winning this award lately?

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Dunno. The hairlip?

svenge":29zqoovj said:

endzorn":29zqoovj said:

Ryan Grigson was awarded the 2012 Executive of the Year award essentially for making what was at the time the most obvious draft choice in NFL history. Schneider built this team from the ground up and that season he hit a number of home runs, yet Grigson (a joke of a GM) got far more votes. This is why you shouldn't get worked up when Seahawks don't get post season awards...they're a farce anyway.

Look at these teams 4 years later. The Colts have an embarrassing roster and Seattle continues to contend. Grigson will never get a GM job again while Schneider would be the hottest name on the market if he became available.

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Bad decisions for awards happen. Still not as bad a choice as Marisa Tomei winning the Oscar for Best Actress in 1993, though.

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Or Mira Sorvino for Mighty Aphrodite.

It's a joke award in all the sports along with COY. Look at the list of those who haven't won it. It tells you as much as those who has.

Baalke, I get. Yes, it ended up that Harbaugh was the main reason that SF had a chance to contend for a Super Bowl, but Baalke made enough moves while also saving draft capital that only in hindsight can we say that he actually was a mediocre-to-bad GM who got an award off the basis of his head coach being top-five.

I don't get any of these other awards, though. They're all predicated on "did you acquire a QB who performed well enough to get your team to the playoffs?" Like, why are people winning awards for making an obvious move like drafting Andrew Luck (who, as it turns out, was only the second-best QB in the draft that year anyway)? Good for KC and NY for acquiring Smith and Fitzpatrick and then doing nothing much in the playoffs, too.

Basically, you can pass this award between Belichick, Elway, Schneider, Wolf, and Newsome every year and be good. I would have added Gettleman to that list except that he totally mishandled his secondary and OL and now the Panthers suck again.

Of course making key draft picks or trades matters but: The overall philosophy that JS and PC seem to agree on, with keeping/paying a core group they value highly, often surrounded by a pipeline of talent in development with high upside given the good vet leadership and a very good coaching staff, looks like a decent Win Forever approach. It's possible that patience and faith from Uncle Paul has helped too, it's not like this success happened suddenly.

svenge":3stzjlyz said:

Bad decisions for awards happen. Still not as bad a choice as Marisa Tomei winning the Oscar for Best Actress in 1993, though.

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My Cousin Vinny, Howards End, Husbands and Wives, Enchanted April, and Damage. I don't hate giving awards to the only one of those movies to still be relevant 23 years later.

endzorn":2u3wiaqo said:

Ryan Grigson was awarded the 2012 Executive of the Year award essentially for making what was at the time the most obvious draft choice in NFL history. Schneider built this team from the ground up and that season he hit a number of home runs, yet Grigson (a joke of a GM) got far more votes. This is why you shouldn't get worked up when Seahawks don't get post season awards...they're a farce anyway.

Look at these teams 4 years later. The Colts have an embarrassing roster and Seattle continues to contend. Grigson will never get a GM job again while Schneider would be the hottest name on the market if he became available.

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Agree it is a travesty, just like giving Arians coach of year twice, however Schneider is not doing this all by himself. It is part of a two man team. Schneider is not PC's boss, they work together. Schneider does not sign any player that Pete does not want. Also in 2012 PC still had a tremendous knowledge of the college players from his recruiting years.

I agree with you totally that Schneider has been jobbed by the media as has Pete, but wanted point out that the team concept in Seattle is why neither of them will win bullshit awards because they don't do things solely on their own they work together for the better of the team. I would rather have that then some stupid award by some stupid elitist media hacks.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... s-defense/

If true then Seattle's defense should be bad too.