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  • For me it's some of these:

    Chance Warmack- with the right coaching I think he'd do well
    Malcolm Smith- bring him back into the scheme and rotation
    Calais Campbell- may be too expensive but a few on this board think he'd be great here
    Adrian Peterson- only for the right price but I think he's still a premiere back in great shape. Also he's had a few years to rest so he should be somewhat fresh with something to prove.
    Any LT or RT that hadn't played basketball in college or TE in their past

    Your picks?
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  • seabowl wrote:Any LT or RT that hadn't played basketball in college or TE in their past


    Bradley Sowell!

    I like the idea of bringing back our Super Bowl MVP for LB depth. If Warmack comes below expected price then I'd like the signing.
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  • I'm getting the feeling no one is gonna be real impressed by our FA additions.
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  • Blair Walsh likely our FA gem......
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  • If we sign AP I'm going to puke. He is unwilling to provide blitz pickup, he's fumble prone and he absolutely cannot function as a receiver. The reason he's HOF material is his pure running skills were other-worldly and those are diminished to a point that he just isn't worth any price tag. He's washed up.

    I don't think we'll do anything other than add depth.

    What we need is last year's rookie class to mature in a hurry because this cycle of trotting out Cable-approved garbage on the oline is robbing us of years of contention. Ifedi and Fant either improve or we watch another frustratingly inept offensive line coat is a shot at a Super Bowl.

    That said, I'm very optimistic about last year's rookie class as a whole.
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  • If I only could choose one FA, it'd be Dontari Poe.
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  • seabowl wrote:For me it's some of these:

    Chance Warmack- with the right coaching I think he'd do well
    Malcolm Smith- bring him back into the scheme and rotation
    Calais Campbell- may be too expensive but a few on this board think he'd be great here
    Adrian Peterson- only for the right price but I think he's still a premiere back in great shape. Also he's had a few years to rest so he should be somewhat fresh with something to prove.
    Any LT or RT that hadn't played basketball in college or TE in their past

    Your picks?


    I doubt Malcolm Smith would want to leave Oakland given that Norton is still the Defensive Coordinator.
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  • Kennedyin92 wrote:
    seabowl wrote:For me it's some of these:

    Chance Warmack- with the right coaching I think he'd do well
    Malcolm Smith- bring him back into the scheme and rotation
    Calais Campbell- may be too expensive but a few on this board think he'd be great here
    Adrian Peterson- only for the right price but I think he's still a premiere back in great shape. Also he's had a few years to rest so he should be somewhat fresh with something to prove.
    Any LT or RT that hadn't played basketball in college or TE in their past

    Your picks?


    I doubt Malcolm Smith would want to leave Oakland given that Norton is still the Defensive Coordinator.

    He's signing with the Niners.
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  • Calaise Campbell is set to join the Jags.

    A real good DT would be fun.....the kinda help we get at oline? Meh..
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  • 1. Ricky Wagner, RT, Baltimore

    The top RT in the market, solid already with upside. 27 years old, played in a ZBS in Baltimore. Maybe a little more finesse than Cable likes but would be a long-terms solution. Most of the talk has been around getting a LT, but I get the sense that the org is bullish on Fant. With Wagner on board Gilliam could push Fant at LT and back up both spots.


    2. Nick Perry - SAM/DE, Green Bay

    Played for Pete at USC and has Seahawk-y athletic traits (33" arms, 39" vert, 4.64 40 at 271 pounds). 26 years old, broke through this past year with double digit sacks. Could handle SAM duties and be a solid upgrade over Cassius Marsh as a Nickel DE.


    I think both could be had with a combined 1st-year cap hit of $12-13M, but that might be overly optimistic.
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  • I am very interested in Blount. Besides him, I can't really offer any names. Lots of guys I like, but it's all going to depend who the bargains are after the top guys get ovrepaid for a few days. I think we will bring in a vet linebacker.
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  • John Simon, OLB - Houston - Swiss army knife LB/DE who can rush the passer and is great against the run.
    Jared Odrick, DT - Jacksonville - Scheme fit one year removed from a dominant year as an interior pass rusher.
    Davon House, CB - Jacksonville - Solid depth at corner with experience in the system and starter potential.
    Menelik Watson, RT - Oakland - Mauler RT with huge upside who is cheap and a scheme fit.
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  • A-Dog wrote:1. Ricky Wagner, RT, Baltimore

    The top RT in the market, solid already with upside. 27 years old, played in a ZBS in Baltimore. Maybe a little more finesse than Cable likes but would be a long-terms solution. Most of the talk has been around getting a LT, but I get the sense that the org is bullish on Fant. With Wagner on board Gilliam could push Fant at LT and back up both spots.


    2. Nick Perry - SAM/DE, Green Bay

    Played for Pete at USC and has Seahawk-y athletic traits (33" arms, 39" vert, 4.64 40 at 271 pounds). 26 years old, broke through this past year with double digit sacks. Could handle SAM duties and be a solid upgrade over Cassius Marsh as a Nickel DE.


    I think both could be had with a combined 1st-year cap hit of $12-13M, but that might be overly optimistic.

    Wagner's reportedly signing with Detroit.
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  • The premium UFAs don't interest me at all. The Hawks have the right mindset. They broke their own unwritten policy by trading for and signing Percy. Signing outside guys will often cause problems with your roster.

    The low cost signings like Sowell, Thorpe, and trades that bring in guys like McDonald and McCray don't upset the roster either financially or psychologically. Imagine if the Hawks had not gone after Percy and instead signed Tate.

    I expect the Hawks will sign a FA tackle but won't break the bank.

    The Hawks have taken a lot of criticism for signing Webb and Sowell. They signed players who were available. The market looks better this year and I believe they can get a better tackle this season.

    Late UFA and street free agency will likely help fill out roster spots that aren't filled in the draft.

    The Hawks have some cap room but hopefully they plan to use it on their own players by extending the contracts of Kam, Avril and Britt, etc.
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  • I only need 2:

    #1 LG, Ron Leary
    - High-Quality Guard
    - Moves Glowinski back to his natural side
    - Moves Ifedi to RT, where the bar of replacability hasn't been set very high the last 3 years
    - Leary's presence will help whomever is LT, which would be a healthy competition of Fant, Gilliam, and Odhiambo.
    - Leary to me is trending upwards as a quietly elite player, the Brandon Mebane of OG.

    #2 DL, Calais Campbell
    - Instantly makes our front 7 best in the NFL, moving Frank Clark into the Bruce Irvin role, which new Coach Clint Hurtt expertise seems perfectly suited for.
    - Can start Campbell at 3T, moving Rubin to NT. Or have a big front moving Avril into reserve/pass-rush specialist role but will get plenty of opportunities in the rotation keeping everyone fresh.
    - I want to imagine a Nickel front with Clark, Bennett, Campbell, Avril, Wagner, and Wright just destroying QBs.

    On lesser note, I would take Jahri Evans and Breno Giacomini on 1 yr, 1m deals to provide depth and some more veteran presence for the young guys.
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  • Pandion Haliaetus wrote:I only need 2:

    #1 LG, Ron Leary
    - High-Quality Guard
    - Moves Glowinski back to his natural side
    - Moves Ifedi to RT, where the bar of replacability hasn't been set very high the last 3 years
    - Leary's presence will help whomever is LT, which would be a healthy competition of Fant, Gilliam, and Odhiambo.
    - Leary to me is trending upwards as a quietly elite player, the Brandon Mebane of OG.

    #2 DL, Calais Campbell
    - Instantly makes our front 7 best in the NFL, moving Frank Clark into the Bruce Irvin role, which new Coach Clint Hurtt expertise seems perfectly suited for.
    - Can start Campbell at 3T, moving Rubin to NT. Or have a big front moving Avril into reserve/pass-rush specialist role but will get plenty of opportunities in the rotation keeping everyone fresh.
    - I want to imagine a Nickel front with Clark, Bennett, Campbell, Avril, Wagner, and Wright just destroying QBs.

    On lesser note, I would take Jahri Evans and Breno Giacomini on 1 yr, 1m deals to provide depth and some more veteran presence for the young guys.

    Campbell is signing with the Jaguars.
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  • Either Chris Baker or Nick Fairley, and John Simon.
    Obviously we need O-line help too but I don't know much about any of them, to be honest. Larry Warford if he sticks around through the 1st wave of free agency perhaps?
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  • How we feeling about Jamaal Charles on a cheap deal?
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  • If were talking OL I would snag Zeitler. I'm not sold on Glowinski at this moment. He is developing however.
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  • Would love to get a vet to help the DL & OL'S so we can go to the draft in search of corners,safety and lb/edge. Nick Fairley and Okung or Beachum on the right deals. Not against Charles on a a deal full of incentives that we can cut him in camp if it becomes apparent he is done or not healthy again.
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  • Whitworth, Lang, Leary, Zeitler any two of those please
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  • I want to sign Revis, 1 yr - $6M. He's already getting $7M from the Jets, so that'd put in him in line with Sherman's $13M.

    Respect is what Revis wants most. Put him across from Sherman and see who's side gets thrown at more. How can he refuse a chance to prove who's the best?
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  • Well im just pissed now. Rams took whitworth and hawks dont do anything again. A damn division rival taking who hawks were supposed to. Prepare for another shit season on offense pete isnt gonna do anything about the o line. Apparently hes interested in old broken down runningbacks like jamal charles who hasnt even played the past 2 years.

    Im sorry guys i can already see whats coming, the offense will be just as bad and will be the downfall once again. I am not overreacting, just seems to me they dont care to address the teams main issue. Detroit seems to have interest in remmers too so there is another tackle gone.
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  • I'm mainly hoping for value picks. My short list of guys that I feel could come in and compete to help some of our weaknesses are:

    Connor Barwin as 4th pass rusher and SLB
    Menelik Watson as competition at tackle and as depth
    Stephen Paea as competition at 3T and backup DE/DT
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  • I like Charles. Also, now that most of the tackles are gone, one of the upper tier guards would be nice. Maybe one of the tackles left, say beachum, and one of the guards would be great. Other than that, I think the rest is a matter of a good draft this year and young guys stepping up.
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  • So far I haven't seen any combo of player/reported contract details that I'm wishing that the Hawks would have been in on.
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  • RussB wrote:Well im just pissed now. Rams took whitworth and hawks dont do anything again. A damn division rival taking who hawks were supposed to. Prepare for another shit season on offense pete isnt gonna do anything about the o line. Apparently hes interested in old broken down runningbacks like jamal charles who hasnt even played the past 2 years.

    Im sorry guys i can already see whats coming, the offense will be just as bad and will be the downfall once again. I am not overreacting, just seems to me they dont care to address the teams main issue. Detroit seems to have interest in remmers too so there is another tackle gone.


    Free agency hasn't even began yet. They are also paying whitworth 13.5 million this year, and 25 next year. I know, they won't pay that, but illustrates the market right now. They can't pay a linemen almost 14 million dollars. 6 to 8, maybe. Not 14.
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  • RussB wrote:Well im just pissed now. Rams took whitworth and hawks dont do anything again. A damn division rival taking who hawks were supposed to. Prepare for another shit season on offense pete isnt gonna do anything about the o line. Apparently hes interested in old broken down runningbacks like jamal charles who hasnt even played the past 2 years.

    Im sorry guys i can already see whats coming, the offense will be just as bad and will be the downfall once again. I am not overreacting, just seems to me they dont care to address the teams main issue. Detroit seems to have interest in remmers too so there is another tackle gone.


    Whitworth is 35 years old and just signed a deal for $35 million ($25 million of it paid out in the first 2 years of his 3 year deal). I'm not losing any sleep about passing on that one.
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  • Malcolm Smith going to make almost as much as KJ Wright :rofl:



    So you can cross that one off your list.
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  • Tical21 wrote:I am very interested in Blount. Besides him, I can't really offer any names. Lots of guys I like, but it's all going to depend who the bargains are after the top guys get ovrepaid for a few days. I think we will bring in a vet linebacker.

    Tical, I respect your opinion and Jville's the most when it comes to our offensive line. What would you like the plan to be and how much hope do you have for the guys already on our roster?
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  • I want them to get peterson now. Signing charles will be a mistake. They need to get AP before someone else swoops him up and they could pressure him into taking a paycut since he wants to play for seattle.
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  • Siouxhawk wrote:Tical, I respect your opinion and Jville's the most when it comes to our offensive line. What would you like the plan to be and how much hope do you have for the guys already on our roster?


    I'll give my two cents.

    We should be better this year. Basically 3 of the 5 OL are new. I would expect two of those three to show significant improvement. Based on nothing more than law of averages in how rookies across the league improve after their second training camp.

    Gilliam really plateaued last year. We similarly expected him to improve after his first year. He didn't. So it's not a guarantee. But it still is likely that some of those guys are going to be better and play at an acceptable level.

    That first camp, the head is swimming. And if you get playing time in that rookie season, you get to make a lot of errors. It's that second training camp, where you have a store of experience (mostly bad) from games played where it's possible for the game to slow down considerably. We can't know how much of the bad play was the result of just blown assignments. That should recede.

    We really should get a strong sense on what our deposit on experience last season has bought us before week one. These guys should look considerably better in this preseason. If not -- time to cull the street FAs. This time don't release the Jahri Evans' of the FA pool.

    I think the plan will be modest. The market is crappy. Both for UFA and draft. But if you focus on specific role players -- I think you can find real impact value. Seattle wants to run the ball better. Getting a snotbubbling knuckledragger of a RT should be had at a reasonable price.

    He won't be able to pass protect for $^&#. But then really there aren't many (any?) options to provide that.

    That's how I'd see it. See what you have first. Get a cheap role player early. And reevaluate as TC evolves and other -- maybe even better options -- become available as teams cull their rosters.


    As for the original posters' question:

    Players I find intriguing:

    1. AP.

    I get he doesn't pass block or catch passes. That's Prosise's role anyway. AP provides power running. Even if he's not a home run threat he used to be, he still is powerful and that's the kind of RB Seattle covets.

    2. Menelik Watson/DJ Fluker.

    Seattle's OL profile leans to a run blocking mauler. Watson and Fluker are those things. Their pass pro is bleah. But for the deflated price, the job of RT in our line doesn't leverage quality pass pro. Maulers should be cheap.

    3. Kalil/Joeckel.

    Ok, so if you don't want one dimensional maulers, and want to get some players who will come at a depressed price but with some possible potential. Kalil tested very much like a Seahawk's lineman. Joeckel is young. Both of these guys *should* be better than Sowell was last year. Often times players like this are deemed bad, because they didn't live up to their draft position. However if these guys were picked around where Ricky Wagner was, would they be considered such bad players?

    If you can get them in the 4-5m range would that suffice?

    4. Connor Barwin.

    I love his game. He just very much screams Seahawk attitude. I think he'd not only fit in here, but excel and enhance what we have on the roster. Of all of the UFAs on the market, Barwin looks like the one best suited for the locker room.

    5. John Simon.

    We brought him in for a look in the draft. He's not an exceptional athlete. Kind of hard to see us taking him. But I liked him in the draft process. If you're looking at a SAM backer, he'd fill that role nicely. He's more of a run defender anyway and that's likely where the SAM will be used.

    6. Legarrette Blount

    I honestly didn't realize he was available. I have liked him really every year since coming out from college. I always felt that when it was time for Lynch to retire, that Chris Ivory or Blount should be acquired as bridge players to our next franchise RB.
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  • I am shocked at the salaries of the mediocre OL. This is getting insane

    Matt Kalil - who has been widely considered a major disappointment, and someone I considered the Seahawks could get at a bargain - just signed with Carolina for 5 year, $55 million with $25m guarenteed



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  • Thank you Attyla. Excellent synopsis. I'm pretty leery of Kalil, but I like your list of players and your improvement calculations for our offensive line.
    UPDATE: Just saw the Kalil post, so that's no longer a concern. Maybe his brother will set him straight in Carolina.
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  • Spleenhawk2.0 wrote:I am shocked at the salaries of the mediocre OL. This is getting insane

    Matt Kalil - who has been widely considered a major disappointment, and someone I considered the Seahawks could get at a bargain - just signed with Carolina for 5 year, $55 million with $25m guarenteed



    WOW


    And yet a bunch of people around here are super pissed that the Seahawks didn't dive into free agency head first and spend whatever it took to land one of the the top FA OT.

    Looks like it would have taken a lot and probably crippled their ability to do much else. Maybe they actually have some idea what they're doing or some kind of plan or plan something. Weird.
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  • Exactly, just glad none of the fans are the GM. Paying 10 plus mil to average lineman? Would not be a smart move at all.
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  • Looks like Joeckel was the OL addition.

    And looks like we got him for relatively cheap and incentive laden contract.

    Smart.
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  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:Looks like Joeckel was the OL addition.

    And looks like we got him for relatively cheap and incentive laden contract.

    Smart.


    Maybe. The smart move IMO is the Eagles signing Chance Warmck to a $1.5 mil deal that is incentive laden. Absolute steal of a deal.
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  • Siouxhawk wrote:Thank you Attyla. Excellent synopsis. I'm pretty leery of Kalil, but I like your list of players and your improvement calculations for our offensive line.
    UPDATE: Just saw the Kalil post, so that's no longer a concern. Maybe his brother will set him straight in Carolina.


    We'll see. It's definitely the x-factor he obviously isn't getting anywhere else. Johnson and Addison in house and Peppers and Munnerlyn from outside on hometown deals softened the Kalil blow $$$.

    Very atypical wild early Panthers FA. Ealy trade, letting Ginn, Brown, Tolbert, and Klein walk, tag Short, signing SS Mike Adams, WRs Charles Johnson and Russell Shepard.
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  • ctrcat wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:Thank you Attyla. Excellent synopsis. I'm pretty leery of Kalil, but I like your list of players and your improvement calculations for our offensive line.
    UPDATE: Just saw the Kalil post, so that's no longer a concern. Maybe his brother will set him straight in Carolina.


    We'll see. It's definitely the x-factor he obviously isn't getting anywhere else. Johnson and Addison in house and Peppers and Munnerlyn from outside on hometown deals softened the Kalil blow $$$.

    Very atypical wild early Panthers FA. Ealy trade, letting Ginn, Brown, Tolbert, and Klein walk, tag Short, signing SS Mike Adams, WRs Charles Johnson and Russell Shepard.

    Letting Klein go had to hurt. It's Tampa's turn to win your division next year.
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  • Siouxhawk wrote:
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    Siouxhawk wrote:Thank you Attyla. Excellent synopsis. I'm pretty leery of Kalil, but I like your list of players and your improvement calculations for our offensive line.
    UPDATE: Just saw the Kalil post, so that's no longer a concern. Maybe his brother will set him straight in Carolina.


    We'll see. It's definitely the x-factor he obviously isn't getting anywhere else. Johnson and Addison in house and Peppers and Munnerlyn from outside on hometown deals softened the Kalil blow $$$.

    Very atypical wild early Panthers FA. Ealy trade, letting Ginn, Brown, Tolbert, and Klein walk, tag Short, signing SS Mike Adams, WRs Charles Johnson and Russell Shepard.

    Letting Klein go had to hurt. It's Tampa's turn to win your division next year.


    With Mayo letting Klein go hurt none, just hate he went to the Saints. We'll see about Tampa.
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  • HawksSoc wrote:How we feeling about Jamaal Charles on a cheap deal?

    He's awesome but can't stay healthy. Kansas City fans are fine with him leaving and hope we sign his sad ass. So no, if we must get a veteran go for Murray or possibly Lacy. Both aren't glass.
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  • Guys left that I wouldn't mind seeing in Seattle at the right price.

    Josh Gordon
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  • If Lang doesn't sign, I'd like to see us kick the tires on OT Blake Bell and OT/OG D.J. Fluker.

    Also John Simon would be a sturdy addition to the OLB group, and can rush the QB.
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  • RockinHawks wrote:If Lang doesn't sign, I'd like to see us kick the tires on OT Blake Bell and OT/OG D.J. Fluker.

    Also John Simon would be a sturdy addition to the OLB group, and can rush the QB.


    Simon went to the Colts yesterday
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  • Spleenhawk2.0 wrote:I am shocked at the salaries of the mediocre OL. This is getting insane

    Matt Kalil - who has been widely considered a major disappointment, and someone I considered the Seahawks could get at a bargain - just signed with Carolina for 5 year, $55 million with $25m guarenteed



    WOW


    Some of the write ups on this year's FA signings hear are pretty hlarious.

    http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php

    "Panthers sign OT Matt Kalil (5 years, $55M; $25M guaranteed): MILLEN: THE BACK SIDE Grade
    The Panthers had the Blind Side in Michael Oher, and now they have the Back Side, a grade for this utterly awful signing.

    Details weren't available when this acquisition was first announced, so my brain nearly exploded when Landon E. sent me an e-mail, notifying me of the financial implications. I can't believe Matt Kalil is set to earn $55 million over five years. It's absolutely mind-boggling. Kalil hasn't been healthy in years, and he hasn't put together a quality season since 2013. He was atrocious in two games this past year before getting knocked out for the final 14 contests. This wasn't a surprise, given that he's incapable of staying healthy.

    If Kalil hasn't played well in three years, why is he getting this massive contract? It makes no sense. Kalil should've gotten something like $9 million over three seasons. Handing him $11 million per year and $25 million in guarantees is asinine, and I have no choice but to deliver my ninth Millen in the past 30 or so hours."
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