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Competition and depth at QB
Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:10 am
  • As things stand Boykin is our qb2. I have no problem with this as I loved the guy coming out of TCU. He's clearly very raw though and I wonder what the plan would be if RW went down.

    With that in mind and at the very least we need camp arms are there any FA qbs you would kick the tires on? Kaepernick has been mentioned as will be I'm sure, now that he has been released, RG3.

    What about the draft, is there anyone in the later rounds or udfa that might have a chance of beating out Boykin or provide some decent camp competition?

    In short, qb2 what do?
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:11 am
  • I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Geno Smith.
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Re: Competition and depth at QB
Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:20 am
  • Bring in Whitehurst.
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:36 am
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:39 pm
  • I think they bring in a camp arm but that is about it. Could be wrong but they showed last year they were fine with Boykin in the #2 spot, so why go out and spend more money on that position?
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:42 pm
  • Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?


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Re: Competition and depth at QB
Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:47 pm
  • I'm fine with Boykin at backup.

    What about Jake Heaps? Can we bring him back as a camp arm? His pre season play wasn't good, and he was overshadowed by Boykins' exciting play. But I wouldn't mind seeing him come back again
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Re: Competition and depth at QB
Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:49 pm
  • I like boykin as well. Rg3 is a free agent, and not expected to sign anywhere.
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:56 pm
  • HawkGA wrote:I think they bring in a camp arm but that is about it. Could be wrong but they showed last year they were fine with Boykin in the #2 spot, so why go out and spend more money on that position?

    I thought last year showed that they weren't fine with Boykin in the #2 spot, as demonstrated by our starting QB attempting to play through multiple serious injuries. Maybe Boykin will be ready with another year of development but with the limited reps available these days you want your #2 guy to be a veteran who doesn't take reps away from your starter in practice but can come in and give you a chance in 1-4 games each year.
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Re: Competition and depth at QB
Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:05 pm
  • Foghawk wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?


    Best coin toss caller to ever play the game. That said, I know you're kidding.

    I'm not kidding, Foghawk. Nothing against Boykin, but I'd still rather have T-Jack as our backup. I understand he had the incident with his wife last summer, but he was cleared of those charges. Even if he underwent counseling and was either mandated or chose to miss last season, I would think he'd be freed up to play in 2017. Maybe there's more going on behind the scenes that we haven't heard, but I'd at least like to see him compete for the job at camp.
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:11 pm
  • Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?


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Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:13 pm
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:17 pm
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:57 pm
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Re: Competition and depth at QB
Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:58 pm
  • Like the idea of Kaep.

    I don't think Boykin is ready. And we've seen the kind of juice a QB can have on the open market. Even if they are a backup.

    If you add Kaep for a season. If he's signed away as a UFA, that's a free comp pick. And QBs -- even suspect ones -- on the open market go for decent salaries. Could be just stashing a future 3rd/4th comp pick at worst. And having a more reliable backup in case of injury at best.

    Russell really was herculean in his efforts to stay on the field. Maybe he doesn't have to do that in the future if your backup is a rookie who will definitely lose games in the process.
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Re: Competition and depth at QB
Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:50 pm
  • Siouxhawk wrote:
    Foghawk wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?


    Best coin toss caller to ever play the game. That said, I know you're kidding.

    I'm not kidding, Foghawk. Nothing against Boykin, but I'd still rather have T-Jack as our backup. I understand he had the incident with his wife last summer, but he was cleared of those charges. Even if he underwent counseling and was either mandated or chose to miss last season, I would think he'd be freed up to play in 2017. Maybe there's more going on behind the scenes that we haven't heard, but I'd at least like to see him compete for the job at camp.


    :lol:

    Nothing against TJ, but that ship has sailed IMO. I think we will be looking elsewhere for competition.
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:11 pm
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    HawkGA wrote:I think they bring in a camp arm but that is about it. Could be wrong but they showed last year they were fine with Boykin in the #2 spot, so why go out and spend more money on that position?

    I thought last year showed that they weren't fine with Boykin in the #2 spot, as demonstrated by our starting QB attempting to play through multiple serious injuries. Maybe Boykin will be ready with another year of development but with the limited reps available these days you want your #2 guy to be a veteran who doesn't take reps away from your starter in practice but can come in and give you a chance in 1-4 games each year.


    And yet at no point did they make a move to bring in a veteran last year. An injured Russ was even more likely to suffer a costly injury. I don't think they didn't play Boykin because they were afraid to (though I'm sure they were, at least a little). I think they didn't play Boykin because Russ could play.
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:39 pm
  • kaepernick, sign him with vet minimum to backup Wilson
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Re: Competition and depth at QB
Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:35 pm
  • toffee wrote:kaepernick, sign him with vet minimum to backup Wilson


    He didn't opt out of his large contract to take a vet min backup job.
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Re: Competition and depth at QB
Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:07 pm
  • Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?

    There is a reason no team has signed him and I'm NOT refering to his "incident". What do you think that reason is?
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:16 pm
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:29 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?

    There is a reason no team has signed him and I'm NOT refering to his "incident". What do you think that reason is?
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:39 pm
  • It's political and the Shield and teams are worried about image, he could easily be blacklisted.
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:44 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:It's political and the Shield and teams are worried about image, he could easily be blacklisted.

    I'm just amazed we haven't heard a peep one way or another. Facts are all the charges against him were dropped. What I don't know is were there any requirements that went along with the dropped charges? Is he still with his wife? These are all still mysteries yet.
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:55 pm
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    chris98251 wrote:It's political and the Shield and teams are worried about image, he could easily be blacklisted.

    I'm just amazed we haven't heard a peep one way or another. Facts are all the charges against him were dropped. What I don't know is were there any requirements that went along with the dropped charges? Is he still with his wife? These are all still mysteries yet.


    The fact that everything is quiet would be what I would be concerned about, the NFL loving attention and nothing about him being projected would throw up some red flags.
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:22 am
  • Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?

    Enough Bevell boy.:) He was never actually good or average say like Alex Smith? Facts are facts TJ sucks he can't throw to half the field? Seriously? and Alex Smith is average-possible good if leading an awesome and stacked team? Possibly? Kansas City is solid/really good. they just have to solve New England.
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:01 am
  • Siouxhawk wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?

    There is a reason no team has signed him and I'm NOT refering to his "incident". What do you think that reason is?
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    You tell me.

    I know the reason and it's obvious. Do you know the reason?
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:16 am
  • UK_Seahawk wrote:As things stand Boykin is our qb2. I have no problem with this as I loved the guy coming out of TCU. He's clearly very raw though and I wonder what the plan would be if RW went down.

    With that in mind and at the very least we need camp arms are there any FA qbs you would kick the tires on? Kaepernick has been mentioned as will be I'm sure, now that he has been released, RG3.

    What about the draft, is there anyone in the later rounds or udfa that might have a chance of beating out Boykin or provide some decent camp competition?

    In short, qb2 what do?

    You have to understand how weak the quarterback draft class is and the FA possibilities in combination. Oswhieler getting traded and traded for real value? Ok, you have your quarterback market, good luck Denver/Houston about Romo. Personally I'd finally force the Cowboys to cut him and pay shit to either and let Denver/Houston compete against each other. Denver is fine at QB with a decent OL but don't tell John Elway because I love when Denver sucks ass. Houston on the other hand has serious issues at quarterback. I suppose you could sign Keapernick at starting money again? Seems Cleveland doesn't even buy that crap and that's pretty bad.


    Boykin can be clipboard Jesus and call coin flips cheaper then TJ. And as a bonus run the same offense as Russell Wilson.
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:10 am
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?

    There is a reason no team has signed him and I'm NOT refering to his "incident". What do you think that reason is?
    < cue the Jeopardy theme song here >

    Can't pass to left? I know it's left or right I took a guess sue me. Fact is he's a half the field quarterback. Great coin flip guesser though.
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:53 am
  • Josea16 wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?

    There is a reason no team has signed him and I'm NOT refering to his "incident". What do you think that reason is?
    < cue the Jeopardy theme song here >

    Can't pass to left? I know it's left or right I took a guess sue me. Fact is he's a half the field quarterback. Great coin flip guesser though.

    You're getting warmer, but it's a lot more simplistic than that.

    He is excellent at coin flips, I'll give him that. 8)
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:29 am
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    Josea16 wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?

    There is a reason no team has signed him and I'm NOT refering to his "incident". What do you think that reason is?
    < cue the Jeopardy theme song here >

    Can't pass to left? I know it's left or right I took a guess sue me. Fact is he's a half the field quarterback. Great coin flip guesser though.

    You're getting warmer, but it's a lot more simplistic than that.

    He is excellent at coin flips, I'll give him that. 8)

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Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:41 am
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    Josea16 wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?

    There is a reason no team has signed him and I'm NOT refering to his "incident". What do you think that reason is?
    < cue the Jeopardy theme song here >

    Can't pass to left? I know it's left or right I took a guess sue me. Fact is he's a half the field quarterback. Great coin flip guesser though.

    You're getting warmer, but it's a lot more simplistic than that.

    He is excellent at coin flips, I'll give him that. 8)

    Sorry but Keapernick is way better. Stop teasing and give me your true opinion
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:11 am
  • Josea16 wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?

    Enough Bevell boy.:) He was never actually good or average say like Alex Smith? Facts are facts TJ sucks he can't throw to half the field? Seriously? and Alex Smith is average-possible good if leading an awesome and stacked team? Possibly? Kansas City is solid/really good. they just have to solve New England.

    He fit the bill as our starter/backup in Pete and John's opinion for 4 years, so he must've been doing something right. He would cost virtually nothing against the cap and would provide a comfortable veteran presence. He has a winning starting record in the NFL and his QB ration is around 90, so he obviously has talent.

    If you have more knowledge of his situation sports hernia, please provide.
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:52 am
  • Boykin has had a full year in our system, he'll continue to grow and develop as our primary backup quarterback. If he gets meaningful reps in games, that just ups his tradeability. Boykin is talented and football smart. The team will most-likely bring in another camp arm for competition and reps. Boykin is our main backup for the foreseeable future...and I'm totally fine with that.
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:08 am
  • Siouxhawk wrote:
    Josea16 wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?

    Enough Bevell boy.:) He was never actually good or average say like Alex Smith? Facts are facts TJ sucks he can't throw to half the field? Seriously? and Alex Smith is average-possible good if leading an awesome and stacked team? Possibly? Kansas City is solid/really good. they just have to solve New England.

    He fit the bill as our starter/backup in Pete and John's opinion for 4 years, so he must've been doing something right. He would cost virtually nothing against the cap and would provide a comfortable veteran presence. He has a winning starting record in the NFL and his QB ration is around 90, so he obviously has talent.

    If you have more knowledge of his situation sports hernia, please provide.

    Seriously? That man costs twice as much as Boykin at the least and can't run or throw like Boykin and I'm supposed to support him? What next? A Haushka/Gresham pity party?

    There are actual reasons why none are Seahawks and one at least one is dealing with real life like 99% of us.
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:14 am
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:17 am
  • Josea16 wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:
    Josea16 wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:Family reunion with Tarvaris?

    Enough Bevell boy.:) He was never actually good or average say like Alex Smith? Facts are facts TJ sucks he can't throw to half the field? Seriously? and Alex Smith is average-possible good if leading an awesome and stacked team? Possibly? Kansas City is solid/really good. they just have to solve New England.

    He fit the bill as our starter/backup in Pete and John's opinion for 4 years, so he must've been doing something right. He would cost virtually nothing against the cap and would provide a comfortable veteran presence. He has a winning starting record in the NFL and his QB ration is around 90, so he obviously has talent.

    If you have more knowledge of his situation sports hernia, please provide.

    Seriously? That man costs twice as much as Boykin at the least and can't run or throw like Boykin and I'm supposed to support him? What next? A Haushka/Gresham pity party?

    There actual reasons why neither are Seahawks and one is dealing with real life like 99% of us.

    I don't know how you could substantiate that Boykin throws a better ball than T-Jack. Being 10 years his younger, yes his wheels are better.

    I just find it odd that Tarvaris isn't in the conversation for a job somewhere considering the talent being signed at the QB position. Kellen Clemens? Brandon Weeden?
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:39 am
  • He's a 33 year old career back up (he was not a good starter)... without even considering his personal issues, there is no rush by any team to go and sign him as a back up
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:06 am
  • Cap issues prevent limit us from getting a quality backup QB. All we can do is make sure we have a guy who knows the system, and can maybe avoid a disaster for a game or two. If RW goes down with anything serious, look for Schneider to make a big move then (a la the Vikings getting Sam Bradford last year).
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:22 am
  • Tusc2000 wrote:Cap issues prevent limit us from getting a quality backup QB. All we can do is make sure we have a guy who knows the system, and can maybe avoid a disaster for a game or two. If RW goes down with anything serious, look for Schneider to make a big move then (a la the Vikings getting Sam Bradford last year).

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Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:33 pm
  • To keep costs down yet have a shot at potential talent, I'd consider getting Johnny Football in here and run him through the tests. Dude sounds like he is finally getting it, is getting married and working out, and wants another shot pretty bad. The fact he fits our O here is also an attraction. I believe he has a better shot in this league than Boykin.
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:27 pm
  • Manziel is the worst idea I have ever heard as a possibility for the Hawks. He will always be a headache.
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:07 pm
  • Siouxhawk wrote:Manziel is the worst idea I have ever heard as a possibility for the Hawks. He will always be a headache.


    Says the person that recommended TJack.

    #considerthesource
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:38 pm
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    Siouxhawk wrote:Manziel is the worst idea I have ever heard as a possibility for the Hawks. He will always be a headache.


    Says the person that recommended TJack.

    #considerthesource

    At least T-Jack has a ring and the respect of his former teammates. Manziel is a millennial clown.
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:41 pm
  • I hope we start drafting later round QB to compete. Say we take a flyer on a 3-7 rounder!

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    Wilson is the man but the way we treat him I fear his durability is going to become an issue much sooner than it should.
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:53 pm
  • Siouxhawk wrote:
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    Siouxhawk wrote:Manziel is the worst idea I have ever heard as a possibility for the Hawks. He will always be a headache.


    Says the person that recommended TJack.

    #considerthesource

    At least T-Jack has a ring and the respect of his former teammates. Manziel is a millennial clown.


    Respect of all his former teammates? LMAO, are you kidding? The dude is flat broke, had DV and gun charges against him, and flat out went off the deep end since he last played here. NOT.
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Re: Competition and depth at QB
Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:30 pm
  • Seymour wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:Manziel is the worst idea I have ever heard as a possibility for the Hawks. He will always be a headache.


    Says the person that recommended TJack.

    #considerthesource

    At least T-Jack has a ring and the respect of his former teammates. Manziel is a millennial clown.


    Respect of all his former teammates? LMAO, are you kidding? The dude is flat broke, had DV and gun charges against him, and flat out went off the deep end since he last played here. NOT.

    We all know you are speculating out of your wazoo. Teammates would take him back with open arms. Manziel was not only charged, he was convicted. Tarvaris was initially charged, but those charges were later dropped.
    Perhaps he underwent counseling. I do not know that. Bring him back, Pete!
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