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Offensive Line Options
Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:20 pm
  • Clearly the Seahawks are looking for a serious offensive line upgrade this offseason, both the Joeckel deal and the Lang offer demonstrate this. The best move at this point would be to find young OL talent with potential, rather than throw money at an aging veteran - like Clady or Evans. There are few (none?) starting caliber offensive linemen left in free agency, so a trade may be the best option.

    Here are a few options, both free agents and trade targets. All are younger, and some have some untapped potential.

    Free Agents

    Brian Schwenke (G) - Drafted by the Titans in the 4th round out of Cal, Schwenke has experience at both Guard spots and Center. Has the athletic profile that the Seahawks prefer, but has very short 32" arms. Has some starting experience, and could be a solid back-up. Would likely only be on the roster to push the current starters - I do not see him beating out Glowinski, Britt, or Ifedi. His contract would have to be very reasonable to sign him

    Austin Pasztor (G/T) - Interesting prospect. Has bounced around a bit. Was the 4th overall pick in the first round by Edmonton in the CFL, and was not drafted in the NFL. Can play both Guard and Tackle, and started some games for Jaguars. I do not believe he was a starter for the 1 1/2 years he was on the Browns active roster, but I could see Seattle being interested in his athletic profile and position flexibility. Again, would likely be a back-up.

    Trade Targets

    Joe Dahl / Laken Tomlinson, Detroit - With the addition of TJ Lang, neither Dahl nor Tomlinson have a starting position on the Lions roster, and they also have Brandon Thomas - former 49ers 3rd round pick - signed to a futures contract. I think Dahl is the much better player, and fits the Seahawks interior line needs. But Tomlinson may be more readily available. I would not be surprised at all if Seattle was not already on the phone with Detroit to see about the availability of either of these two. I believe Dahl could challenge Glowinski for a starting spot day one.

    Connor McGovern, Denver - Drafted in the 4th round in the 2016 Draft, McGovern was someone that I was very high on and hoping the Seahawks would select him. Currently a back-up with Denver, and they just dropped a bit of cash on the OL. They may consider moving McGovern for a draft pick. It would be perfect if we had our 4th rounder, and offer that to Denver. I would hope that they would consider a 2018 3rd rounder....would hate to spend one of the 2017 3rd rounders with the incredibly deep draft on defense.

    Isaac Seumalo, Philadelphia - Another backup who may be available for the right price, Seumalo was drafted in the 3rd round last year. Not sure the Eagles would want to move him, and the cost would likely be more than we would be willing to pay. But he fits the athletic profile that the Seahawks typically look for in an interior OL.

    Caleb Benenoch, Tampa Bay - Benenoch was a 5th round draft choice of the Bucs last year, and is another backup. He has ok athleticism, and was primarily an OT during his years at UCLA. He is currently a primary OG backup, and that is probably his long-term position. May be able to get him for a low round pick, but I do not think that Benenoch has the potential to be much more than a career backup. Likely a solid backup, but may not be much of an improvement over what we currently have starting. Potential is there though.

    Any other names you would add to the list?
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Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:04 pm
  • There may be a veteran that gets released late spring or early summer that could interest the Hawks. Giacomini and Clady are also still out there.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:44 pm
  • Seafan wrote:There may be a veteran that gets released late spring or early summer that could interest the Hawks. Giacomini and Clady are also still out there.

    I thought Gio resigned with the Jets? Denver isn't going to trade any OL away they are in our boat. Most of what they have is subpar, our advantage is most of our trash were rookies.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:20 pm
  • Spleenhawk2.0 wrote:Clearly the Seahawks are looking for a serious offensive line upgrade this offseason, both the Joeckel deal and the Lang offer demonstrate this. The best move at this point would be to find young OL talent with potential, rather than throw money at an aging veteran - like Clady or Evans. There are few (none?) starting caliber offensive linemen left in free agency, so a trade may be the best option.

    Here are a few options, both free agents and trade targets. All are younger, and some have some untapped potential.

    Free Agents

    Brian Schwenke (G) - Drafted by the Titans in the 4th round out of Cal, Schwenke has experience at both Guard spots and Center. Has the athletic profile that the Seahawks prefer, but has very short 32" arms. Has some starting experience, and could be a solid back-up. Would likely only be on the roster to push the current starters - I do not see him beating out Glowinski, Britt, or Ifedi. His contract would have to be very reasonable to sign him

    Austin Pasztor (G/T) - Interesting prospect. Has bounced around a bit. Was the 4th overall pick in the first round by Edmonton in the CFL, and was not drafted in the NFL. Can play both Guard and Tackle, and started some games for Jaguars. I do not believe he was a starter for the 1 1/2 years he was on the Browns active roster, but I could see Seattle being interested in his athletic profile and position flexibility. Again, would likely be a back-up.

    Trade Targets

    Joe Dahl / Laken Tomlinson, Detroit - With the addition of TJ Lang, neither Dahl nor Tomlinson have a starting position on the Lions roster, and they also have Brandon Thomas - former 49ers 3rd round pick - signed to a futures contract. I think Dahl is the much better player, and fits the Seahawks interior line needs. But Tomlinson may be more readily available. I would not be surprised at all if Seattle was not already on the phone with Detroit to see about the availability of either of these two. I believe Dahl could challenge Glowinski for a starting spot day one.

    Connor McGovern, Denver - Drafted in the 4th round in the 2016 Draft, McGovern was someone that I was very high on and hoping the Seahawks would select him. Currently a back-up with Denver, and they just dropped a bit of cash on the OL. They may consider moving McGovern for a draft pick. It would be perfect if we had our 4th rounder, and offer that to Denver. I would hope that they would consider a 2018 3rd rounder....would hate to spend one of the 2017 3rd rounders with the incredibly deep draft on defense.

    Isaac Seumalo, Philadelphia - Another backup who may be available for the right price, Seumalo was drafted in the 3rd round last year. Not sure the Eagles would want to move him, and the cost would likely be more than we would be willing to pay. But he fits the athletic profile that the Seahawks typically look for in an interior OL.

    Caleb Benenoch, Tampa Bay - Benenoch was a 5th round draft choice of the Bucs last year, and is another backup. He has ok athleticism, and was primarily an OT during his years at UCLA. He is currently a primary OG backup, and that is probably his long-term position. May be able to get him for a low round pick, but I do not think that Benenoch has the potential to be much more than a career backup. Likely a solid backup, but may not be much of an improvement over what we currently have starting. Potential is there though.

    Any other names you would add to the list?

    This is a sweet post, Spleen! Way to do your homework and share with us. I'm inclined to be partial to McGovern, as he's a North Dakota boy, but I honestly don't know that much about him. Keep us updated brother.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:34 pm
  • Josea16 wrote:
    Seafan wrote:There may be a veteran that gets released late spring or early summer that could interest the Hawks. Giacomini and Clady are also still out there.

    I thought Gio resigned with the Jets? Denver isn't going to trade any OL away they are in our boat. Most of what they have is subpar, our advantage is most of our trash were rookies.


    Both are free agents. My point being there aren't any great options available to the Hawks right now but a decent starting caliber tackle could become available in a few months.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:43 pm
  • Trade jimmy g for a guy like joe thomas.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:20 am
  • RussB wrote:Trade jimmy g for a guy like joe thomas.


    Awful idea.

    Jimmy had nigh on 1000 yards last year. With our WR corps where would that leave us?
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:43 am
  • original poster wrote:
    RussB wrote:Trade jimmy g for a guy like joe thomas.


    Awful idea.

    Jimmy had nigh on 1000 yards last year. With our WR corps where would that leave us?

    In the mud. You straight know this. By the way sir.... we are going to kill New England this year. 8)
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:49 am
  • I think there are a lot of good guards in the draft and the Seahawks will target someone there.
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Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:07 am
  • What about Frank Beede and Peter Warrick? They both plan lineman right? OK?
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:20 am
  • Largent80 wrote:I think there are a lot of good guards in the draft and the Seahawks will target someone there.

    Hopefully after CB, FS, LB and RB. :D.

    Unless some elite OL drops within range of a realistic trade up. Then all bets are off. Walter and Steve were boring but they were nails and made everyone better and look like Hofer's.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:13 am
  • After watching the money given to mediocre o linemen I see the best prospects long gone by our pick.

    That's why I think they draft a guard somewhere because there are several decent ones available.
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Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:21 am
  • Largent80 wrote:After watching the money given to mediocre o linemen I see the best prospects long gone by our pick.

    That's why I think they draft a guard somewhere because there are several decent ones available.

    I don't think you're off given what we offered to a proven good guard but this draft is so loaded with real defense. I say we go nuts on defense in the draft and a running back and roll with our crap offense.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:31 am
  • If we're truly looking at OG (Lang suggests this is so), then there are a lot of really great OG options in this draft.

    If we're looking at OT, then we're almost assured we're going to have an even worse prospect than Ifedi was last year.

    It's worth noting, that there are always players that come available as the preseason unfolds. If we're looking at OG, then it's not unreasonable or unexpected that there will be some talent to hit the street in August. The options in March may be grim. But you don't *HAVE* to resolve that position right now or even in April.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:41 am
  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:If we're truly looking at OG (Lang suggests this is so), then there are a lot of really great OG options in this draft.

    If we're looking at OT, then we're almost assured we're going to have an even worse prospect than Ifedi was last year.

    Yeah that is the issue draft someone really good were we are fine or take advantage of completely reloading the defense at spots not usually easily done because everyone is trying to copy us.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:09 am
  • Josea16 wrote:Yeah that is the issue draft someone really good were we are fine or take advantage of completely reloading the defense at spots not usually easily done because everyone is trying to copy us.


    This draft has great options in the 15-40 range. But it also has some good prospects in the 40-75 range.

    It wouldn't require we burn #26 to address adequately. Although point is valid that adding Lang would have given us full flexibility with our top 5 picks elsewhere.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:11 am
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    RussB wrote:Trade jimmy g for a guy like joe thomas.


    Awful idea.

    Jimmy had nigh on 1000 yards last year. With our WR corps where would that leave us?

    Were did graham get is us in the playoffs? Because last i remember the falcons mauled our o line and graham had like 2 catches. And that was the story alot of games. Id rather have a good line.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:12 am
  • Does a guy like King Dunlop fit into the "better than what we have now" category? Just released by the Chargers
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:15 am
  • HawkRiderFan wrote:Does a guy like King Dunlop fit into the "better than what we have now" category? Just released by the Chargers


    I don't know, but I like this picture of him
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Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:35 am
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    HawkRiderFan wrote:Does a guy like King Dunlop fit into the "better than what we have now" category? Just released by the Chargers


    I don't know, but I like this picture of him
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:59 am
  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:
    Josea16 wrote:Yeah that is the issue draft someone really good were we are fine or take advantage of completely reloading the defense at spots not usually easily done because everyone is trying to copy us.


    This draft has great options in the 15-40 range. But it also has some good prospects in the 40-75 range.

    It wouldn't require we burn #26 to address adequately. Although point is valid that adding Lang would have given us full flexibility with our top 5 picks elsewhere.

    I'm totally good with getting a good tackle if they drop even enough to do a reasonable trade up. I just don't see it actually being a possibility though.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:00 am
  • I like Dunlap better than Fluker and think the OT position is a bigger need. Was hoping for right Tackle help, but this might do if the price is right.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:03 am
  • Isnt vollimer still available?
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:43 am
  • RussB wrote:Isnt vollimer still available?


    He's likely retiring.

    Wasn't McGovern a hot draft name a couple years back?
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:50 am
  • Hawk Finn wrote:
    RussB wrote:Isnt vollimer still available?


    He's likely retiring.

    Wasn't McGovern a hot draft name a couple years back?

    Dont know but here are most of all the available guys as of now.

    Nick Mangold C 33 NYJ
    King Dunlap LT 31 LAC TBD -
    Ryan Clady LT 30 NYJ
    Brandon Fusco G 28 MIN
    Breno Giacomini RT 31 NYJ
    Sebastian Vollmer RT 32 NE
    Gosder Cherilus RT 32 TB
    Andre Smith RT 30 MIN
    Tim Barnes C 28 LA
    Chris Chester G 34 ATL
    Byron Bell RT 28 TEN
    Austin Pasztor T 26 CLE
    Matt McCants RT 27 CHI
    Joe Hawley C 28 TB
    Jermon Bushrod G 32

    I think clady and dunlap are worth looking at.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:44 pm
  • RussB wrote:
    original poster wrote:
    RussB wrote:Trade jimmy g for a guy like joe thomas.


    Awful idea.

    Jimmy had nigh on 1000 yards last year. With our WR corps where would that leave us?

    Were did graham get is us in the playoffs? Because last i remember the falcons mauled our o line and graham had like 2 catches. And that was the story alot of games. Id rather have a good line.


    That's a question for Bevell.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:56 pm
  • Joe Thomas, please. Send a 2nd rounder
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:15 pm
  • How can you possibly consider the Jockel signing to be an upgrade? He is just more of the same.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:19 pm
  • Seafan wrote:There may be a veteran that gets released late spring or early summer that could interest the Hawks. Giacomini and Clady are also still out there.

    When it comes to the offensive line cut bait has not been getting it done. Why would any rational thinking person want to continue down that same route?
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Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:59 pm
  • brimsalabim wrote:
    Seafan wrote:There may be a veteran that gets released late spring or early summer that could interest the Hawks. Giacomini and Clady are also still out there.

    When it comes to the offensive line cut bait has not been getting it done. Why would any rational thinking person want to continue down that same route?


    It may be all the Hawks have left this season. The best three tackles of a horrible draft class will be long gone and there are no FA tackles out there worth the money right now. But one may become available later. Why can't a rational person understand that? Wait, they can.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:14 pm
  • Really I look at it as Cable needs to earn his money and get these guys NFL ready.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:19 pm
  • I like what the Hawks have done to address the OL. Faced with a dearth of talent in FA/Draft they have done enough to help the team considering.

    The OL is going to be better this season.

    http://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/3/14/149 ... l-was-good

    The run game needed improvement and the Hawks have addressed that. Adding Lang would have been a sure fire way to improve the run blocking and interior pass blocking but it didn't happen. It doesn't mean that both won't be improved.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:34 pm
  • brimsalabim wrote:How can you possibly consider the Jockel signing to be an upgrade? He is just more of the same.

    He's better then Fant or Gilliam objectively correct? Go ahead .Net GM JS "Show Me" your awesome moves considering the real 2017 FA OL market. I'm waiting and seriously hope you are right (not possible). I suggest Plan B the Missouri plan "Show Me" or plan C "Dance Monkey" entertain me.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:35 pm
  • Josea16 wrote:
    brimsalabim wrote:How can you possibly consider the Jockel signing to be an upgrade? He is just more of the same.

    He's better then Fant or Gilliam objectively correct?


    More experience, college and pro.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:50 pm
  • Seafan wrote:
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    brimsalabim wrote:How can you possibly consider the Jockel signing to be an upgrade? He is just more of the same.

    He's better then Fant or Gilliam objectively correct?


    More experience, college and pro.

    Duh. Tell me something I don't know. Friggen Basketball players on OL? Pure stupid and I hope Cable gets fired after we actually give him actual people that played NFL OL decently. Just don't make it because Russell gets a career ending injury.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:55 pm
  • Lang just bought a house and moved his family to Detroit and it's his hometown supposedly so we were never getting him.
    we were there to get more cash for him and it worked.
    a trade of someone or something besides graham or a move up in the draft is probably what we are going to do.
    I wouldn't be shocked if we moved down to get more pics if they see somebody under the radar as that seems to be our M.O.
    I actually think we might get a 7th round pick for marshawn from the raiduz but that's all.
    Finding need and trading to a team with a desperate gm would be great but not everybody's bellicheat.
    I see extending players now and pushing money forward while having more to spend currently , hurts us later if it doesn't pan out .
    Every scenario comes back to us using a players ability and adjusting the gameplan to fit what they do best works but that isn't D.B.s way of doing things , so unless the guys we have now learn to play better we are sorely effed up
    The moral of the story is we are going to have to make a move that might not be appealing to make the rest of this work I.E. trading someone valuable as much as it hurts to say or fricken ride it out and get as many ( value guys ) as we can and see what shakes out
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:32 pm
  • Seafan wrote:
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    brimsalabim wrote:How can you possibly consider the Jockel signing to be an upgrade? He is just more of the same.

    He's better then Fant or Gilliam objectively correct?


    More experience, college and pro.


    A lot was talked about Joeckel's issues dealing with power at left tackle and how he needed to get stronger. Watching Friday night though, it didn't seem like actual strength was Joeckel's issue. He held up fine, and overall wasn't noticeable. As a guard, if you're not noticeable, that's generally always a good thing because it means you likely didn't make any big mistakes. When Joeckel switched to left tackle late in the game however, there was a shocking contrast from his play at guard. Immediately rookie fifth-round pick Tyrone Holmes put him on roller skates, getting into his body on a bull rush. A few plays later Joeckel was absolutely embarrassed by Bjoern Werner, who by all accounts has no shot whatsoever to make the Jaguars roster because he's been so bad.

    All of Joeckel's previous issues manifested themselves when he moved back to left tackle and had to play in space. He got beat right away with power, then got caught thinking and was beaten around the edge with speed. It was night and day from being noticeable to sticking out like a sore thumb.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:50 pm
  • Josea16 wrote:
    brimsalabim wrote:How can you possibly consider the Jockel signing to be an upgrade? He is just more of the same.

    He's better then Fant or Gilliam objectively correct? Go ahead .Net GM JS "Show Me" your awesome moves considering the real 2017 FA OL market. I'm waiting and seriously hope you are right (not possible). I suggest Plan B the Missouri plan "Show Me" or plan C "Dance Monkey" entertain me.

    "He was the only option" does not equal "he was a good move" or "he is an upgrade".
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:25 pm
  • I for one am not convinced that Joeckel is an upgrade over Fant. OK, both sucked, but Joeckel was given seasons by Jags to develop at LT due to his high draft position, he failed. Fant was an 'accidental' LT, lol, he had no business being a starting LT, or even a 2nd string LT. Fant had no experience whatsoever, of course he struggled. Especially towards to end of regular season and in the post season when teams studied him and game planned accordingly.

    I kind of remember Fant sucked in the beginning, didn't know how to play OL at all.
    Then he gotten somewhat better, after learning some basic.
    Then he sucked again, after teams adjusted after studying films on him.

    After a season of learning on the job and an off season of more learning and conditioning. If Fant's confidence hasn't been contaminated, he ought to be better than last season. That could put him in the mid tier of LTs. I would like it if Fant could play:

    1. with less thinking, ie more down with Technic and playbook.
    2. develop more strength, especially lower body.
    3. learn how to use his hands better.
    4. hopefully with less thinking, ie quicker and stronger will lead to more aggression.

    Call me a homer, but I rather take my chance with Fant, as bad as he was last season.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:29 am
  • toffee wrote:I for one am not convinced that Joeckel is an upgrade over Fant.


    That's fair. They have roughly the same amount of experience at the position. Doesn't mean the move isn't worthwhile. Joeckel was a bit unlucky with injury. Which stunted development. And the weight of his draft position didn't help. In all, he's not the kind of player that should give us a warm sense of security. Really, there weren't ANY tackles in UFA that would have provided that. Price was good. There is upside. And one thing we can say, is that we definitely won't be worse than last year. Let the crucible of competition work its magic and prod either Fant or Joeckel to improvement.

    toffee wrote:Call me a homer, but I rather take my chance with Fant, as bad as he was last season.


    That may well happen. Joeckel's signing could be a valuable element in Fant's improvement. If Fant makes that sophomore jump in efficiency that is common in this league -- Joeckel is not a sunk cost. He has significant position flexibility. And has admittedly performed better at OG. Although that improvement could just as easily be explained by his having manned that position as a 3rd and 4th year veteran as opposed to an injury limited rookie/sophomore seasoned player.

    If Fant does improve -- Great! Now we have a better LT and a potential upgrade at OG

    If Fant doesn't improve -- Great! We have the option to go a different route. Fant was thrust into the lineup because simply we had no other alternative.

    I think best case scenario is this:

    LT: Fant improves (whether by second offseason work, Joeckel pushing him, or a combination of both).
    LG: Glowinski improves (second season starting, competition from Joeckel/Aboushi) or is succeeded by either.
    C: Britt continues on his path.
    LG: Manned by the better of Joeckel/Aboushi/Glowinski).
    RT: Ifedi improves (second offseason and a year of starting experience) and competes/wins at RT.


    Don't judge the value of Joeckel merely on his prospects of elevating our LT play by supplanting Fant. There are many levels on which to judge his contributions to this team that have nothing to do with him playing LT this season.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:20 am
  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:
    toffee wrote:I for one am not convinced that Joeckel is an upgrade over Fant.


    That's fair. They have roughly the same amount of experience at the position. Doesn't mean the move isn't worthwhile. Joeckel was a bit unlucky with injury. Which stunted development. And the weight of his draft position didn't help. In all, he's not the kind of player that should give us a warm sense of security. Really, there weren't ANY tackles in UFA that would have provided that. Price was good. There is upside. And one thing we can say, is that we definitely won't be worse than last year. Let the crucible of competition work its magic and prod either Fant or Joeckel to improvement.

    toffee wrote:Call me a homer, but I rather take my chance with Fant, as bad as he was last season.


    That may well happen. Joeckel's signing could be a valuable element in Fant's improvement. If Fant makes that sophomore jump in efficiency that is common in this league -- Joeckel is not a sunk cost. He has significant position flexibility. And has admittedly performed better at OG. Although that improvement could just as easily be explained by his having manned that position as a 3rd and 4th year veteran as opposed to an injury limited rookie/sophomore seasoned player.

    If Fant does improve -- Great! Now we have a better LT and a potential upgrade at OG

    If Fant doesn't improve -- Great! We have the option to go a different route. Fant was thrust into the lineup because simply we had no other alternative.

    I think best case scenario is this:

    LT: Fant improves (whether by second offseason work, Joeckel pushing him, or a combination of both).
    LG: Glowinski improves (second season starting, competition from Joeckel/Aboushi) or is succeeded by either.
    C: Britt continues on his path.
    LG: Manned by the better of Joeckel/Aboushi/Glowinski).
    RT: Ifedi improves (second offseason and a year of starting experience) and competes/wins at RT.


    Don't judge the value of Joeckel merely on his prospects of elevating our LT play by supplanting Fant. There are many levels on which to judge his contributions to this team that have nothing to do with him playing LT this season.


    Recent talk and comments from coaching staff makes it seem as if they really like Joekel @ LG. I think LT will be a FAnt Gilliam Competition

    LT Fant / Gilliam
    RG Joeckel
    C Britt
    RG Oday
    RT Ifedi

    This is how I think it ends up shaking out.
    "I don't know much, but I imagine that stomping my way through a field of seven-year-olds is the closest I'll ever feel to being Marshawn Lynch. Despite being limited to ten rushes, Lynch mowed through defenders like Zach Efron running into a bachelorette party in Vegas." -@JacsonBevens
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:43 am
  • He is a terrible tackle but he only needs to be an average guard to upgrade that position. This still leaves us with jail break and havoc coming around both ends and that's when we line up against average pass rushers.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:08 am
  • brimsalabim wrote:How can you possibly consider the Jockel signing to be an upgrade? He is just more of the same.


    This signing has me shaking my head. I really like John Schneider but _what_is_he_thinking_? Joeckel couldn't start for the Jags. The Jags!

    Honestly, I don't have a problem bringing him in under a 'prove it' contract. But he gets $7 million guaranteed. WTF!

    He has been generally regarded as bad since he came into the league, and lost his starting job for a team that has been piss poor.

    I don't get it, and it annoys me practically every day...
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:10 am
  • brimsalabim wrote:He is a terrible tackle but he only needs to be an average guard to upgrade that position. This still leaves us with jail break and havoc coming around both ends and that's when we line up against average pass rushers.


    I don't think paying $8 million for an 'average' guard is a smart move. In fact I think it's the opposite.

    Why the heck did we ever let Jahri Evans go!?
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:12 am
  • toffee wrote:I for one am not convinced that Joeckel is an upgrade over Fant. OK, both sucked, but Joeckel was given seasons by Jags to develop at LT due to his high draft position, he failed. Fant was an 'accidental' LT, lol, he had no business being a starting LT, or even a 2nd string LT. Fant had no experience whatsoever, of course he struggled. Especially towards to end of regular season and in the post season when teams studied him and game planned accordingly.

    I kind of remember Fant sucked in the beginning, didn't know how to play OL at all.
    Then he gotten somewhat better, after learning some basic.
    Then he sucked again, after teams adjusted after studying films on him.

    After a season of learning on the job and an off season of more learning and conditioning. If Fant's confidence hasn't been contaminated, he ought to be better than last season. That could put him in the mid tier of LTs. I would like it if Fant could play:

    1. with less thinking, ie more down with Technic and playbook.
    2. develop more strength, especially lower body.
    3. learn how to use his hands better.
    4. hopefully with less thinking, ie quicker and stronger will lead to more aggression.

    Call me a homer, but I rather take my chance with Fant, as bad as he was last season.


    I'm with you on all of this. Frankly, if we had been able to get TJ Lang, or someone even reasonably good, that would have been different. I see nothing on Joeckel that indicates he is any good.

    Someone take a note: do not draft Offensive Linemen from Texas A&M
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:20 am
  • Seafan wrote:I like what the Hawks have done to address the OL. Faced with a dearth of talent in FA/Draft they have done enough to help the team considering.

    The OL is going to be better this season.

    http://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/3/14/149 ... l-was-good

    The run game needed improvement and the Hawks have addressed that. Adding Lang would have been a sure fire way to improve the run blocking and interior pass blocking but it didn't happen. It doesn't mean that both won't be improved.


    Frankly, one of the things that infuriated me the most about this FA offseason is how John Lynch was able to acquire a good C/G in Jeremy Zuttah from the Ravens for next to nothing (they swapped 6th round picks).

    Zuttah makes $3.5 million a year. C'mon John, your better than that!
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:29 am
  • xgeoff wrote:
    brimsalabim wrote:He is a terrible tackle but he only needs to be an average guard to upgrade that position. This still leaves us with jail break and havoc coming around both ends and that's when we line up against average pass rushers.


    I don't think paying $8 million for an 'average' guard is a smart move. In fact I think it's the opposite.

    Why the heck did we ever let Jahri Evans go!?


    I agree. Also, we let Evans go because Cable is in charge. Enough said.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:52 am
  • brimsalabim wrote:How can you possibly consider the Jockel signing to be an upgrade? He is just more of the same.


    He may not be. But the mere fact that he was a #2 overall means that he has a high ceiling, higher than any lineman currently on our roster. And as devoid of talent as we are on the OL, you don't have to bring in an All Pro to upgrade our squad, so the bar is set pretty low as far as being an upgrade over guys like Fant and Gilliam.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:48 pm
  • I'm so fed up with the oline situation. I don't even want to hypothesize about it. I just want to see another game where our QB is even marginally protected.
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Re: Offensive Line Options
Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:36 pm
  • titan3131 wrote:Recent talk and comments from coaching staff makes it seem as if they really like Joekel @ LG. I think LT will be a FAnt Gilliam Competition

    LT Fant / Gilliam
    RG Joeckel
    C Britt
    RG Oday
    RT Ifedi

    This is how I think it ends up shaking out.


    Nice call. Schneider confirmed today on Sirius XM radio interview. Oday to RG. Ifedi to RT.
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