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  • Listening to Clayton from last week (7th), and Gee Scott behind the lines, Gee was with "Fant, Glow, Britt, and some others at the gym (not allowed to use VMAC per CBA), doing "ab workouts." You heard that right, offensive linemen doing ab workouts.

    I think we're going to see a huge improvement from this line in year 2, and it's because of Britt's leadership. Gee said "when Britt first got here, he was quiet, but now you can tell who's the leader just by the way the other players act around him, and who does the talking."

    I found Gee's points to be very encouraging, and think that this line may start 2017 intact, and play fairly well. Fant is an athletic monster, all he needs are reps. And he's got Justin Britt leading him around, showing him how to go from "almost bust" to Pro Bowler.

    Gee also said he doesn't hold out much hope for Gilliam being here next year. "He's not a dawg."

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    Top Five Stories of the Day: Free agency negotiation period starts today, DJ Fluker joins an already solid o-line free agent class, Seahawks offer a free agent tender to Gary Gilliam, Mariners top Rangers and T.O. continues his battle with HOF committee. Listener Question: Who is the one player you want the Seahawks to sign?

    Behind the Lines with Gee Scott: Should the Seahawks expect another big year from Justin Britt?

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  • So ....... it has grown from the very productive Britt / Glowinski dual of last off season workouts ........ to a trio of Britt / Glowinski / Fant.

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  • Can you imagine, Justin Britt at 321 pounds, doing ab workouts? Wow. Fant, I could see, he is that athletic, but Glow?
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  • I imagine there will be atleast two new Olinemen not including Joeckel
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  • Glow is more athletic than generally acknowledged. As long as they all continue to work on flexibility and quickness, they can add more mass. They are all still in their early years. The best is yet to come.

    Exciting times :2thumbs:
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  • I understand that we're grasping at anything that sounds like good news from the offensive line, but this is a non-story. We all heard last season that Britt had stepped into a leadership role and our line was a sloppy mess of dirty toilet water. I'm not sure how ab workouts separate them from other lines. I venture a guess that most lines work diligently together in the offseason with the difference being that most lines are also more talented.

    I want to believe that this offensive line will be OK as much as any of you, but the reality is that we've seen nothing on the field to make us think they can be anything other than below average.

    That said...go Hawks.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:I imagine there will be atleast two new Olinemen not including Joeckel


    I highly doubt that. Not 2 new starters at least. For as much as the line needs improving, I suspect the Hawks are going to go for continuity rather than individual upgrades.

    I expect RT to be somebody new and that is it. There's an outside chance, I think, that they are able to draft one of the top tackles and if that happens they might unseat Fant. But I don't really see that happening.
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  • HawkGA wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:I imagine there will be atleast two new Olinemen not including Joeckel


    I highly doubt that. Not 2 new starters at least. For as much as the line needs improving, I suspect the Hawks are going to go for continuity rather than individual upgrades.

    I expect RT to be somebody new and that is it. There's an outside chance, I think, that they are able to draft one of the top tackles and if that happens they might unseat Fant. But I don't really see that happening.


    Well they've signed one new starter and were clearly after another just yesterday.
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  • And they lost out. I'm not saying they don't need 2 new starters. I'm just saying I don't think it will happen.

    To have 2 new starters in addition to Joeckel would mean turning over 3/5s of the line. Just don't see it.

    That said, another wildcard that could come into play in terms of starters is Rees. But I think he's more likely to be in competition at the RT spot as will Joeckel.
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  • HawkGA wrote:And they lost out. I'm not saying they don't need 2 new starters. I'm just saying I don't think it will happen.

    To have 2 new starters in addition to Joeckel would mean turning over 3/5s of the line. Just don't see it.

    That said, another wildcard that could come into play in terms of starters is Rees. But I think he's more likely to be in competition at the RT spot as will Joeckel.


    I'm thinking one new starter and one more for the pool.. not sure it was all or nothing on Lang
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  • Uncle Si wrote:
    HawkGA wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:I imagine there will be atleast two new Olinemen not including Joeckel


    I highly doubt that. Not 2 new starters at least. For as much as the line needs improving, I suspect the Hawks are going to go for continuity rather than individual upgrades.

    I expect RT to be somebody new and that is it. There's an outside chance, I think, that they are able to draft one of the top tackles and if that happens they might unseat Fant. But I don't really see that happening.


    Well they've signed one new starter and were clearly after another just yesterday.


    Using your words, "shouldn't we wait to see how that plays out?"

    He was beaten out by a 7th rounder in Jacksonville and coming off a major injury, so I do not think it is safe to assume he is a day 1 starter quite yet personally.
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  • endzorn wrote:I understand that we're grasping at anything that sounds like good news from the offensive line, but this is a non-story. We all heard last season that Britt had stepped into a leadership role and our line was a sloppy mess of dirty toilet water. I'm not sure how ab workouts separate them from other lines. I venture a guess that most lines work diligently together in the offseason with the difference being that most lines are also more talented.

    I want to believe that this offensive line will be OK as much as any of you, but the reality is that we've seen nothing on the field to make us think they can be anything other than below average.


    Harsh words for rookies. Especially given that Fant has never had a full offseason of starter reps. I prefer to see him as an unknown quantity, like a draft pick.
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  • Heavy sigh...

    Sure Seymour...

    So then he's the pool Olineman and they are looking for atkeast one and I suspect two more... with one if not both being a starter
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  • Uncle Si wrote:Heavy sigh...

    Sure Seymour...

    So then he's the pool Olineman and they are looking for atkeast one and I suspect two more... with one if not both being a starter


    Seriously, it's a legit question. Fant is learning fastest with very good upside and may well hold the L tackle spot. Guards are our strength (hopefully), and I'll guess they want to try him at R tackle. If they do, that makes 3 positions in 4 years, plus 2 injuries, and 2 new pro systems to learn that is stunting this guys growth. Gilliam may be able to hold him off possibly. That said i surely hope he takes that spot leaving no doubt.
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  • Jville wrote:Glow is more athletic than generally acknowledged. As long as they all continue to work on flexibility and quickness, they can add more mass. They are all still in their early years. The best is yet to come.

    Exciting times :2thumbs:


    Your outlook is awesome. Hope they make a giant leap, and pcjs sit back, laughing because their plan worked when no one thought it would.
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  • Guys like aaron donald and Chandler jones are probably laughing their asses off reading that.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    endzorn wrote:I understand that we're grasping at anything that sounds like good news from the offensive line, but this is a non-story. We all heard last season that Britt had stepped into a leadership role and our line was a sloppy mess of dirty toilet water. I'm not sure how ab workouts separate them from other lines. I venture a guess that most lines work diligently together in the offseason with the difference being that most lines are also more talented.

    I want to believe that this offensive line will be OK as much as any of you, but the reality is that we've seen nothing on the field to make us think they can be anything other than below average.


    Harsh words for rookies. Especially given that Fant has never had a full offseason of starter reps. I prefer to see him as an unknown quantity, like a draft pick.


    The fact that our FO has now gone hard after and been willing to overpay for two lineman, both of which have serious medical issues tells us that not even the most optimistic coach in the league thinks very highly of the current talent on our O-Line.

    Good for Gee for being Mr. Brightside, but he's wrong........and our own FO agrees.

    Britt is a solid center, Ifedi and Glowinski are at the bottom of the guard rankings consistently and we had the worst tackle tandem in the entire league last year.

    Can they get better? I guess theoretically the answer is yes. God I hope they can, or Russell better get on the horn to Lloyd's of London and insure his entire body cause if not he's gonna get murdered out there next year.
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  • Seymour wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:Heavy sigh...

    Sure Seymour...

    So then he's the pool Olineman and they are looking for atkeast one and I suspect two more... with one if not both being a starter


    Seriously, it's a legit question. Fant is learning fastest with very good upside and may well hold the L tackle spot. Guards are our strength (hopefully), and I'll guess they want to try him at R tackle. If they do, that makes 3 positions in 4 years, plus 2 injuries, and 2 new pro systems to learn that is stunting this guys growth. Gilliam may be able to hold him off possibly. That said i surely hope he takes that spot leaving no doubt.


    I would agree with your hopes here. It certainly would make life easier. I also agree with Sgt.'s last post. Maybe we can all be right and have a surplus of options.

    However, im skeptical they really believe the current crop of Oline candidates are good enough, just based on what they paid Joeckel and offered Lang.

    I'm hoping they don't give up that easily just because they missed out on one.
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  • Jimjones0384 wrote:
    Jville wrote:Glow is more athletic than generally acknowledged. As long as they all continue to work on flexibility and quickness, they can add more mass. They are all still in their early years. The best is yet to come.

    Exciting times :2thumbs:


    Your outlook is awesome. Hope they make a giant leap, and pcjs sit back, laughing because their plan worked when no one thought it would.


    The reinforcement that jumps out in Gee's report is the commitment with which this new generation of linemen work at their craft. Gone are the old days of accommodating guys that reported to OTAs and training camp out of shape. For this new generation ..... there is no off season.

    It's a process. Every day matters ..... one day at a time.
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  • Jville wrote:
    Jimjones0384 wrote:
    Jville wrote:Glow is more athletic than generally acknowledged. As long as they all continue to work on flexibility and quickness, they can add more mass. They are all still in their early years. The best is yet to come.

    Exciting times :2thumbs:


    Your outlook is awesome. Hope they make a giant leap, and pcjs sit back, laughing because their plan worked when no one thought it would.


    The reinforcement that jumps out in Gee's report is the commitment with which this new generation of linemen work at their craft. Gone are the old days of accommodating guys that reported to OTAs and training camp out of shape. For this new generation ..... there is no off season.

    It's a process. Every day matters ..... one day at a time.


    O-line is a different animal, it's almost impossible to bring along 5 new starters and form them into a cohesive productive line in even 2-3 years...........and that's if they have the talent in the first place.

    I like Britt, and I do think Ifedi can become a decent guard. But no line can be good without at least serviceable tackles.

    Believe me, I'd love to be optimistic about our line, but all I see is another disaster line year without signing guys like Lang who can come in and at least stabilize one of the 4 critical need positions other than Britt.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Jville wrote:
    Jimjones0384 wrote:
    Jville wrote:Glow is more athletic than generally acknowledged. As long as they all continue to work on flexibility and quickness, they can add more mass. They are all still in their early years. The best is yet to come.

    Exciting times :2thumbs:


    Your outlook is awesome. Hope they make a giant leap, and pcjs sit back, laughing because their plan worked when no one thought it would.


    The reinforcement that jumps out in Gee's report is the commitment with which this new generation of linemen work at their craft. Gone are the old days of accommodating guys that reported to OTAs and training camp out of shape. For this new generation ..... there is no off season.

    It's a process. Every day matters ..... one day at a time.


    O-line is a different animal, it's almost impossible to bring along 5 new starters and form them into a cohesive productive line in even 2-3 years...........and that's if they have the talent in the first place.

    I like Britt, and I do think Ifedi can become a decent guard. But no line can be good without at least serviceable tackles.

    Believe me, I'd love to be optimistic about our line, but all I see is another disaster line year without signing guys like Lang who can come in and at least stabilize one of the 4 critical need positions other than Britt.


    Relax my friend ....... it's a process. Your in for a real treat.
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  • Looking back at it even letting okung go was a mistake. When healthy was decent at his job. They basically released all their best linemen to save money thinking it wouldnt be an issue and it has blown up in their face. Now they have to scour whats left of free agency in a desperate attempt to fix a disaster. Someone needs to be traded.
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  • ^Okung was a FA and he elected to get paid less under a stupid contract because he wanted to negotiate himself.
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  • RussB wrote:Looking back at it even letting okung go was a mistake. When healthy was decent at his job. They basically released all their best linemen to save money thinking it wouldnt be an issue and it has blown up in their face. Now they have to scour whats left of free agency in a desperate attempt to fix a disaster. Someone needs to be traded.


    I'm fine with this philosophy, IF you have the right talent evaluation in place to replace guys like Okung, Carp, Sweezy, etc. so you're not missing a beat with trying to build an offense around the run game.

    But we don't, it's been by far the worst part of our talent evaluating.

    So either change the cap space philosophy and commit more dollars to the line so you can sign FA's and keep your own guys.........or change your draft philosophy.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    RussB wrote:Looking back at it even letting okung go was a mistake. When healthy was decent at his job. They basically released all their best linemen to save money thinking it wouldnt be an issue and it has blown up in their face. Now they have to scour whats left of free agency in a desperate attempt to fix a disaster. Someone needs to be traded.


    I'm fine with this philosophy, IF you have the right talent evaluation in place to replace guys like Okung, Carp, Sweezy, etc. so you're not missing a beat with trying to build an offense around the run game.

    But we don't, it's been by far the worst part of our talent evaluating.

    So either change the cap space philosophy and commit more dollars to the line so you can sign FA's and keep your own guys.........or change your draft philosophy.

    I just dont get how they are so good everywhere else but stink with the o line. They have overloaded the defense and offense and paid everyone. But didnt look at the most important part of a run game and offense. THE DAMN O LINE. I mean did they really think they could put those guys out there and win a SB? Britt is the only positive there has been the past 2 years.
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  • RussB wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    RussB wrote:Looking back at it even letting okung go was a mistake. When healthy was decent at his job. They basically released all their best linemen to save money thinking it wouldnt be an issue and it has blown up in their face. Now they have to scour whats left of free agency in a desperate attempt to fix a disaster. Someone needs to be traded.


    I'm fine with this philosophy, IF you have the right talent evaluation in place to replace guys like Okung, Carp, Sweezy, etc. so you're not missing a beat with trying to build an offense around the run game.

    But we don't, it's been by far the worst part of our talent evaluating.

    So either change the cap space philosophy and commit more dollars to the line so you can sign FA's and keep your own guys.........or change your draft philosophy.

    I just dont get how they are so good everywhere else but stink with the o line. They have overloaded the defense and offense and paid everyone. But didnt look at the most important part of a run game and offense. THE DAMN O LINE. I mean did they really think they could put those guys out there and win a SB? Britt is the only positive there has been the past 2 years.


    To be fair, 25-27 other teams are having the same problem as us trying to draft and develop O-linemen.

    The college game is ruining offensive lineman.

    So I don't know what the answer is, other than maybe you don't trade guys like Unger for Graham, and let guys like Carp and Okung go?

    Going forward my philosophy would be if you've gotten lucky enough to draft and develop a good O-lineman, you hang onto him like grim death, you don't let him get to FA, or trade him even if you think what you get in return is too good to pass up.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    RussB wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    RussB wrote:Looking back at it even letting okung go was a mistake. When healthy was decent at his job. They basically released all their best linemen to save money thinking it wouldnt be an issue and it has blown up in their face. Now they have to scour whats left of free agency in a desperate attempt to fix a disaster. Someone needs to be traded.


    I'm fine with this philosophy, IF you have the right talent evaluation in place to replace guys like Okung, Carp, Sweezy, etc. so you're not missing a beat with trying to build an offense around the run game.

    But we don't, it's been by far the worst part of our talent evaluating.

    So either change the cap space philosophy and commit more dollars to the line so you can sign FA's and keep your own guys.........or change your draft philosophy.

    I just dont get how they are so good everywhere else but stink with the o line. They have overloaded the defense and offense and paid everyone. But didnt look at the most important part of a run game and offense. THE DAMN O LINE. I mean did they really think they could put those guys out there and win a SB? Britt is the only positive there has been the past 2 years.


    To be fair, 25-27 other teams are having the same problem as us trying to draft and develop O-linemen.

    The college game is ruining offensive lineman.

    So I don't know what the answer is, other than maybe you don't trade guys like Unger for Graham, and let guys like Carp and Okung go?

    Going forward my philosophy would be if you've gotten lucky enough to draft and develop a good O-lineman, you hang onto him like grim death, you don't let him get to FA, or trade him even if you think what you get in return is too good to pass up.

    But they do the exact opposite is what pisses me off. They thought they could just let everyone go then plug and play guys like owell lmao. Shit backfired badly now they have to pick up the pieces through whats left of FA and the draft. I hope by some miracle they can draft, garret boles, ramzyk or cam robinson. If not they seriously need to consider trading a defensive player or graham that would be the only fix. Another season will go to waste if they dont figure it out before september.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    RussB wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    RussB wrote:Looking back at it even letting okung go was a mistake. When healthy was decent at his job. They basically released all their best linemen to save money thinking it wouldnt be an issue and it has blown up in their face. Now they have to scour whats left of free agency in a desperate attempt to fix a disaster. Someone needs to be traded.


    I'm fine with this philosophy, IF you have the right talent evaluation in place to replace guys like Okung, Carp, Sweezy, etc. so you're not missing a beat with trying to build an offense around the run game.

    But we don't, it's been by far the worst part of our talent evaluating.

    So either change the cap space philosophy and commit more dollars to the line so you can sign FA's and keep your own guys.........or change your draft philosophy.

    I just dont get how they are so good everywhere else but stink with the o line. They have overloaded the defense and offense and paid everyone. But didnt look at the most important part of a run game and offense. THE DAMN O LINE. I mean did they really think they could put those guys out there and win a SB? Britt is the only positive there has been the past 2 years.


    To be fair, 25-27 other teams are having the same problem as us trying to draft and develop O-linemen.

    The college game is ruining offensive lineman.

    So I don't know what the answer is, other than maybe you don't trade guys like Unger for Graham, and let guys like Carp and Okung go?

    Going forward my philosophy would be if you've gotten lucky enough to draft and develop a good O-lineman, you hang onto him like grim death, you don't let him get to FA, or trade him even if you think what you get in return is too good to pass up.


    Exactly why they should be redoing Britts deal before he's up for FA.
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  • Sounds like Gilliam is going to get into a doghouse real fast if he returns, our history has shown Carp, Bowie, Moffit and others that are not part of the crew so to speak end up being kick off the ship at some point.
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  • I tweeted out today that the primary hope for Seahawks fans for the future is to look at the progression of JR Sweezy from year 1 to year 2, and year 2 to year 3.

    Sweezy was terrible year 1, and a very nice starter by year 3. All of our linemen will improve. Will they improve enough? Well... here's to hoping..:)
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  • The three guys who are hanging together are the three the team need to grow as much as possible. I see nothing wrong with Gee's observations about the development of the OLine. Of course they are going to grow with a second year of starting. It's the right side of the line that needs to grow the most. I need to see development from Ifedi and whichever T takes the RT job.

    The negativity here about the OLine is palpable. It will be better,simply as a result of them learning their jobs and knowing what is expected from them. Rob Staton has nailed the correct approach surrounding the non-acquisition of Lang. All this handwringing about the OLine sucks, so do the coaches ,being Po'd b/c the team didn't overpay for a free agent in an off season for OLinemen in the draft is fine, but not for me. Today @ 9 is only a week since the tampering period started and 5 days since FA started, some patience and perspective is needed by a few here.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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  • jammerhawk wrote:The three guys who are hanging together are the three the team need to grow as much as possible. I see nothing wrong with Gee's observations about the development of the OLine. Of course they are going to grow with a second year of starting. It's the right side of the line that needs to grow the most. I need to see development from Ifedi and whichever T takes the RT job.

    The negativity here about the OLine is palpable. It will be better,simply as a result of them learning their jobs and knowing what is expected from them. Rob Staton has nailed the correct approach surrounding the non-acquisition of Lang. All this handwringing about the OLine sucks, so do the coaches ,being Po'd b/c the team didn't overpay for a free agent in an off season for OLinemen in the draft is fine, but not for me. Today @ 9 is only a week since the tampering period started and 5 days since FA started, some patience and perspective is needed by a few here.

    Don't you understand jammerhawk that patience is a lost art on this new breed of fans that have the attention span of a gnat? Every person that I battle with on here is of that variety. In their eyes, new always equates to better and continuity is the sum of not trying. It's a losers' mentality. You're now even seeing swipes at Pete, who just delivered us a Super Bowl win three years ago and is one of the best things to ever happen for this organization. But I know that you get it and at least we can be comforted in knowing our coach and GM get it too.
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  • endzorn wrote:I understand that we're grasping at anything that sounds like good news from the offensive line, but this is a non-story. We all heard last season that Britt had stepped into a leadership role and our line was a sloppy mess of dirty toilet water. I'm not sure how ab workouts separate them from other lines. I venture a guess that most lines work diligently together in the offseason with the difference being that most lines are also more talented.

    I want to believe that this offensive line will be OK as much as any of you, but the reality is that we've seen nothing on the field to make us think they can be anything other than below average.

    That said...go Hawks.


    Britt's interfacing with his Athletic comrades, maybe trying to impart some of his Positional KNOWLEDGE to Fant & Glow is a bad thing? That they should just do NOTHING??
    I see it as some Professional Athletes trying to do something POSITIVE, trying to hone their craft.
    The fact that Britt did an outstanding job of bettering his play last season, tells me that maybe he's on the right path, and who's to say that Fant and Glow won't grow from putting in the off-season time.
    I guess I just don't buy the NEGATIVITY you're laying down.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Sounds like Gilliam is going to get into a doghouse real fast if he returns, our history has shown Carp, Bowie, Moffit and others that are not part of the crew so to speak end up being kick off the ship at some point.


    Someone within the organization was quoted saying that pcjs dont believe he is tough enough. Odihambo or a draft pick may be better options. Or joeckel lg, glow at rg and ifedi at rt. That leaves fant at Lt.
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