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Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:52 am
  • How in the world is Pocic not good enough to start on this line?
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:54 am
  • Who's Evan Pocic?
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:57 am
  • AlciG wrote:Who's Evan Pocic?


    It's early here.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:19 am
  • Ifedi played alright. Part of it was who he was facing. Odhiambo was an obvious weak link, but Glowinski and Joeckel had their share of struggles too.

    Pocic doesn't have a lot of experience outside of center, which made this such a curious pick. He started one game at RT in the last two years. He played right guard three years ago. He has no experience on the left side of the line.

    I think they should give him a shot a LT just to see what he can do. After a couple games, he should be blocking better than Odhiambo.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:31 am
  • Not sure experience is a qualification.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:02 am
  • hawknation2017 wrote:Ifedi played alright.


    I thought he was awful and the weakest link on the line.
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:04 am
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:Ifedi played alright.


    I thought he was awful and the weakest link on the line.


    NFL UK was actually making fun of him. I'd have laughed if I wasn't already crying.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:06 am
  • lfedi was not alright... as a matter a fact he was downright awful as expected. Now I don't know how pocic would play but at this point anything is better than what I saw yesterday
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:08 am
  • xStickybudz wrote:lfedi was not alright... as a matter a fact he was downright awful as expected. Now I don't know how pocic would play but at this point anything is better than what I saw yesterday


    But Cable said we weren't going to move guys around like last season, he learned his lesson. :lol:
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:14 am
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:Ifedi played alright.


    I thought he was awful and the weakest link on the line.


    Nah, Ifedi held up alright. Clay Matthews did basically nothing against him all game long.

    Odiahmbo, on the other side, was blitzkrieged. Mike Daniels made Joeckel look pretty bad too.

    LT REES ODHIAMBO, 29.8 OVERALL GRADE
    It was a tough day for Odhiambo, who is replacing George Fant in the lineup after a preseason injury sent Fant to IR. Lining up for much of the game against experienced pass-rusher Nick Perry, Odhiambo surrendered 1 sack, 2 QB hits, and 3 QB hurries as the passing game struggled to get in to a rhythm for the majority of the game.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:17 am
  • xStickybudz wrote:lfedi was not alright... as a matter a fact he was downright awful as expected. Now I don't know how pocic would play but at this point anything is better than what I saw yesterday


    What did Clay Matthews do against Ifedi?
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:19 am
  • Foghawk wrote:
    xStickybudz wrote:lfedi was not alright... as a matter a fact he was downright awful as expected. Now I don't know how pocic would play but at this point anything is better than what I saw yesterday


    But Cable said we weren't going to move guys around like last season, he learned his lesson. :lol:


    Then he should learn to evaluate talent and get it right the first time. Even the second or 3rd time would be refreshing.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:27 am
  • Seymour wrote:
    Foghawk wrote:
    xStickybudz wrote:lfedi was not alright... as a matter a fact he was downright awful as expected. Now I don't know how pocic would play but at this point anything is better than what I saw yesterday


    But Cable said we weren't going to move guys around like last season, he learned his lesson. :lol:


    Then he should learn to evaluate talent and get it right the first time. Even the second or 3rd time would be refreshing.


    Cable has some say, but Schneider and Carroll pick the players. I think they should have picked more players, signed better veteran free agents, and/or re-signed James Carpenter and Russell Okung. We are spending much less on offensive linemen than any other team.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:30 am
  • hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Foghawk wrote:
    xStickybudz wrote:lfedi was not alright... as a matter a fact he was downright awful as expected. Now I don't know how pocic would play but at this point anything is better than what I saw yesterday


    But Cable said we weren't going to move guys around like last season, he learned his lesson. :lol:


    Then he should learn to evaluate talent and get it right the first time. Even the second or 3rd time would be refreshing.


    Cable has some say, but Schneider and Carroll pick the players. I think they should have picked more players, signed better veteran free agents, and/or re-signed James Carpenter and Russell Okung. We are spending much less on offensive linemen than any other team.


    BS.
    We've been over and over this time and time again. Do some research. Cable picks his players, and has more say than anyone who plays for him.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:33 am
  • I thought this team was built on competition. Guess it doesn't apply to the line.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:34 am
  • hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Foghawk wrote:
    xStickybudz wrote:lfedi was not alright... as a matter a fact he was downright awful as expected. Now I don't know how pocic would play but at this point anything is better than what I saw yesterday


    But Cable said we weren't going to move guys around like last season, he learned his lesson. :lol:


    Then he should learn to evaluate talent and get it right the first time. Even the second or 3rd time would be refreshing.


    Cable has some say, but Schneider and Carroll pick the players. I think they should have picked more players, signed better veteran free agents, and/or re-signed James Carpenter and Russell Okung. We are spending much less on offensive linemen than any other team.

    It might say something that in 2013 and 2014, the Seahawks had one of the higher paid O-lines in the league and were still ranked around 20th overall.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:35 am
  • Seymour wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Foghawk wrote:
    But Cable said we weren't going to move guys around like last season, he learned his lesson. :lol:


    Then he should learn to evaluate talent and get it right the first time. Even the second or 3rd time would be refreshing.


    Cable has some say, but Schneider and Carroll pick the players. I think they should have picked more players, signed better veteran free agents, and/or re-signed James Carpenter and Russell Okung. We are spending much less on offensive linemen than any other team.


    BS.
    We've been over and over this time and time again. Do some research. Cable picks his players, and has more say than anyone who plays for him.


    Link?

    Also, what do you mean Cable has more say than anyone who plays for him?
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:37 am
  • hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Foghawk wrote:
    xStickybudz wrote:lfedi was not alright... as a matter a fact he was downright awful as expected. Now I don't know how pocic would play but at this point anything is better than what I saw yesterday


    But Cable said we weren't going to move guys around like last season, he learned his lesson. :lol:


    Then he should learn to evaluate talent and get it right the first time. Even the second or 3rd time would be refreshing.


    Cable has some say, but Schneider and Carroll pick the players. I think they should have picked more players, signed better veteran free agents, and/or re-signed James Carpenter and Russell Okung. We are spending much less on offensive linemen than any other team.


    So who do we give up? Spending more on the OL means we have to let some others go. Average OLineman are getting paid a kings ransom.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:38 am
  • Upon re-watching the game, I counted just one pressure yielded by Ifedi.

    On the left side of the defense, Clay Matthews had zero sacks, QB hits, or tackles for loss.

    I readily admit this had more to do with Clay Matthews' regression as a player than it did with Ifedi's play at RT. But Ifedi was OK. Even on the couple plays when Nick Perry was rushing from the left side, Ifedi held up alright.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:40 am
  • pugs1 wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Foghawk wrote:
    But Cable said we weren't going to move guys around like last season, he learned his lesson. :lol:


    Then he should learn to evaluate talent and get it right the first time. Even the second or 3rd time would be refreshing.


    Cable has some say, but Schneider and Carroll pick the players. I think they should have picked more players, signed better veteran free agents, and/or re-signed James Carpenter and Russell Okung. We are spending much less on offensive linemen than any other team.


    So who do we give up? Spending more on the OL means we have to let some others go. Average OLineman are getting paid a kings ransom.


    I think they have to choose between paying high-priced veterans or drafting more heavily at the position group. As it stands, they are doing neither.

    In this last draft, for example, they could have selected LT Cam Robinson and RT Taylor Moton.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:49 am
  • hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Then he should learn to evaluate talent and get it right the first time. Even the second or 3rd time would be refreshing.


    Cable has some say, but Schneider and Carroll pick the players. I think they should have picked more players, signed better veteran free agents, and/or re-signed James Carpenter and Russell Okung. We are spending much less on offensive linemen than any other team.


    BS.
    We've been over and over this time and time again. Do some research. Cable picks his players, and has more say than anyone who plays for him.


    Link?

    Also, what do you mean Cable has more say than anyone who plays for him?


    Cable has final say / word on the oline players that make the team. That makes his evaluation the most important. Yes, I'm sure they generally agree but it has to have Toms approval.

    Schnieder "I would never pickup a lineman that Tom does not approve of".
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:50 am
  • pugs1 wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Foghawk wrote:
    But Cable said we weren't going to move guys around like last season, he learned his lesson. :lol:


    Then he should learn to evaluate talent and get it right the first time. Even the second or 3rd time would be refreshing.


    Cable has some say, but Schneider and Carroll pick the players. I think they should have picked more players, signed better veteran free agents, and/or re-signed James Carpenter and Russell Okung. We are spending much less on offensive linemen than any other team.


    So who do we give up? Spending more on the OL means we have to let some others go. Average OLineman are getting paid a kings ransom.


    At this point? Anyone not named Russell Wilson, Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, Richard Sherman, or Bobby Wagner. Quite frankly, if there was any way to get a young elite Offensive Tackle, I would consider those guys too with the sole exception of Wilson.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:54 am
  • Seymour wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:
    Cable has some say, but Schneider and Carroll pick the players. I think they should have picked more players, signed better veteran free agents, and/or re-signed James Carpenter and Russell Okung. We are spending much less on offensive linemen than any other team.


    BS.
    We've been over and over this time and time again. Do some research. Cable picks his players, and has more say than anyone who plays for him.


    Link?

    Also, what do you mean Cable has more say than anyone who plays for him?


    Cable has final say / word on the oline players that make the team. That makes his evaluation the most important. Yes, I'm sure they generally agree but it has to have Toms approval.

    Schnieder "I would never pickup a lineman that Tom does not approve of".


    Where are you getting that quote from? I don't recall it & quick google search turns up nothing.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:54 am
  • pugs1 wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Foghawk wrote:
    But Cable said we weren't going to move guys around like last season, he learned his lesson. :lol:


    Then he should learn to evaluate talent and get it right the first time. Even the second or 3rd time would be refreshing.


    Cable has some say, but Schneider and Carroll pick the players. I think they should have picked more players, signed better veteran free agents, and/or re-signed James Carpenter and Russell Okung. We are spending much less on offensive linemen than any other team.


    So who do we give up? Spending more on the OL means we have to let some others go. Average OLineman are getting paid a kings ransom.

    The under utilized Graham makes $10M per. As great as he is, they need to put that money in the OL.

    In 2015 after Graham hurt his knee, the offense went of somewhat of a historic run which also might say something...
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:58 am
  • My biggest problems with the Ethan Pocic selection were (1) Pocic doesn't have a lot of experience at any position except center, where we already have Justin Britt, (2) we could have taken Taylor Moton, who has the technique to anchor the RT position for years to come, and (3) Pocic is not an upper-echelon athlete.

    George Fant could get away with having no technique at LT because he was so quick, long, and strong. Pocic is going to have to be more fundamentally solid because his athletic traits are just average. Developing those fundamentals is going to take time.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:03 am
  • hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    BS.
    We've been over and over this time and time again. Do some research. Cable picks his players, and has more say than anyone who plays for him.


    Link?

    Also, what do you mean Cable has more say than anyone who plays for him?


    Cable has final say / word on the oline players that make the team. That makes his evaluation the most important. Yes, I'm sure they generally agree but it has to have Toms approval.

    Schnieder "I would never pickup a lineman that Tom does not approve of".


    Where are you getting that quote from? I don't recall it & quick google search turns up nothing.


    Not the exact quote but here's a link to an article that talks about the influence Cable has with Schneider and PC -
    http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-gm-john-schneider-on-tom-cable-being-the-best-ol-coach-in-the-nfl-draft-preparation-and-learning-from-navy-seals/
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:08 am
  • hawkfan68 wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:
    Link?

    Also, what do you mean Cable has more say than anyone who plays for him?


    Cable has final say / word on the oline players that make the team. That makes his evaluation the most important. Yes, I'm sure they generally agree but it has to have Toms approval.

    Schnieder "I would never pickup a lineman that Tom does not approve of".


    Where are you getting that quote from? I don't recall it & quick google search turns up nothing.


    Not the exact quote but here's a link to an article that talks about the influence Cable has with Schneider and PC -
    http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-gm-john-schneider-on-tom-cable-being-the-best-ol-coach-in-the-nfl-draft-preparation-and-learning-from-navy-seals/


    OK, no where in that article does it say Cable picks the players or that Schneider would never pick a lineman without Cable's approval. In fact, Pocic happened to be one of the linemen who never worked out with Cable before the draft.

    What the article refers to is the fact that Schneider and Carroll have devoted fewer assets to the offensive line than any other team in the NFL, because they believed Cable's coaching prowess would compensate for having less talent along the offensive line.
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:22 am
  • Seymour wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:
    Where are you getting that quote from? I don't recall it & quick google search turns up nothing.


    He's said that multiple times going back over a year ago. I heard it on a radio interview with Schnieder.

    It is also in this article about Cable.

    https://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks-analysis/2015/11/17/9745872/seahawks-run-game-pass-pro-sacks-tom-cable


    Thank you for the link. Schneider says in that article, "[Tom Cable] doesn't have the final say, but we would never draft somebody he doesn't think could play. You are totally spinning your wheels there."

    So while the statement about Schneider not drafting someone Cable doesn't like is accurate, Schneider also makes clear that Cable is NOT the person with final say over draft decisions.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:28 am
  • hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:
    Where are you getting that quote from? I don't recall it & quick google search turns up nothing.


    He's said that multiple times going back over a year ago. I heard it on a radio interview with Schnieder.

    It is also in this article about Cable.

    https://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks-analysis/2015/11/17/9745872/seahawks-run-game-pass-pro-sacks-tom-cable


    Thank you for the link. Schneider says in that article, "[Tom Cable] doesn't have the final say, but we would never draft somebody he doesn't think could play. You are totally spinning your wheels there."

    So while the statement about Schneider not drafting someone Cable doesn't like is accurate, Schneider also makes clear that Cable is NOT the person with final say over draft decisions.


    Final say was poor wording on my part. That would be the guy on the phone...Schnieder / Pete. Point is still the same, Cable is the actual talent evaluator for his position group.

    And he thinks Joeckel was among the leagues best guards last year. That tell you enough?
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:34 am
  • hawknation2017 wrote:Ifedi played alright. Part of it was who he was facing. Odhiambo was an obvious weak link, but Glowinski and Joeckel had their share of struggles too.

    Pocic doesn't have a lot of experience outside of center, which made this such a curious pick. He started one game at RT in the last two years. He played right guard three years ago. He has no experience on the left side of the line.

    I think they should give him a shot a LT just to see what he can do. After a couple games, he should be blocking better than Odhiambo.


    I would like to see this too. I would start training him immediately at LT, and try him in a game as soon as he catches up to Odhiambo.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:36 am
  • I have noticed that Schneider and his staff tend to lock onto offensive linemen who are similar to players they seek to replace. Instead of getting better along the offensive line, I refer to this as "spinning our wheels."

    Terry Poole was selected, in part, because he bore a striking resemblance to James Carpenter, who departed that year in free agency. The problem was Poole had all of Carpenter's problems in pass protection, but was also much less powerful and agile than Carpenter.

    I think Rees Odhiambo was selected because his game was eerily similar to Alvin Bailey, who happened to leave in free agency that off-season. They wanted Odhiambo to fill the swing-tackle role. Unfortunately, Odhiambo looked uncomfortable outside of LT as a rookie. In his 2nd year, he looks physically overwhelmed by NFL competition.

    Ethan Pocic's selection was a seeming attempt to repeat the lightning in a bottle pick of Justin Britt. Unfortunately, we didn't need a 2nd center, and it remains to be seen how long it will take Pocic to actually see the field.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:47 am
  • hawknation2017 wrote:I have noticed that Schneider and his staff tend to lock onto offensive linemen who are similar to players they seek to replace. Instead of getting better along the offensive line, I refer to this as "spinning our wheels."

    Terry Poole was selected, in part, because he bore a striking resemblance to James Carpenter, who departed that year in free agency. The problem was Poole had all of Carpenter's problems in pass protection, but was also much less powerful and agile than Carpenter.

    I think Rees Odhiambo was selected because his game was eerily similar to Alvin Bailey, who happened to leave in free agency that off-season. They wanted Odhiambo to fill the swing-tackle role. Unfortunately, Odhiambo looked uncomfortable outside of LT as a rookie. In his 2nd year, he looks physically overwhelmed by NFL competition.

    Ethan Pocic's selection was a seeming attempt to repeat the lightning in a bottle pick of Justin Britt. Unfortunately, we didn't need a 2nd center, and it remains to be seen how long it will take Pocic to actually see the field.


    And that's what's terrible. "Hey, lets get copies of linemen we have that aren't good to begin with." Instead of getting copies of Alvin Bailey or Carpenter, we should get clones of actual productive linemen.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:30 pm
  • Kristjan Sokoli was supposed to be the next J.R. Sweezy. And Ifedi is supposed to be like Okung. And on and on it goes.

    Ifedi did not have a terrible game, but overall this strategy of trying to replicate the linemen of the very recent past hasn't paid off.

    Maybe the front office needs another big personality in the room -- a linemen expert. Someone like Shaun Herock or John Wojciechowski. Something . . . anything to bring a new strategy to the table.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:47 pm
  • Seymour wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    hawknation2017 wrote:
    Cable has some say, but Schneider and Carroll pick the players. I think they should have picked more players, signed better veteran free agents, and/or re-signed James Carpenter and Russell Okung. We are spending much less on offensive linemen than any other team.


    BS.
    We've been over and over this time and time again. Do some research. Cable picks his players, and has more say than anyone who plays for him.


    Link?

    Also, what do you mean Cable has more say than anyone who plays for him?


    Cable has final say / word on the oline players that make the team. That makes his evaluation the most important. Yes, I'm sure they generally agree but it has to have Toms approval.

    Schnieder "I would never pickup a lineman that Tom does not approve of".


    Cable admitted after the draft that he didn't know about Pocic and was unaware they were picking him.
    Maybe J and P saw he wasn't batting a good % with his picks and gave their research a shot with Pocic this year.
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Re: Ethan Pocic
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:00 pm
  • Pocic won't solve the problem of who the line coach is
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