Lack of Smash-Mouth football is the issue

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Been discussed to death around here what the issue with the offense is . Plain and simple, the offense has lost its identity ever since marshawn left. And its not just because of marshawn, its because his running style brought an offensive identity to the team. Releasing carpenter,okung, and and trading unger also contributed to this.

This team is meant to play one way, shut you down with defense and hit you in the mouth. And do the same on offense, line up and run the ball down the defenses throat until they get tired and chew the clock out. Thats how this team is built, and thats why they look so disfunctional right now and have at periods the past 2 years, its because they have gone away from what brought them to the top in the first place. It was beating down teams with the run game and doing the same on defense.

Trade graham and lane. Get some solid linemen if they can or blocking tight ends, and start running the ball and using play action , the fancy jimmy graham addition was never needed should have just kept unger and paid guys like carpenter and okung.
 

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Better build a time machine to tell 2015 Seahawks that they wont have the O line talent to deliver in the run game in 2017. Short of that, there's nothing to be done than try other stuff or hope the linemen figure it out better each game. We don't have the horses for this race.
 
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mrt144":1pf0h12n said:
Better build a time machine to tell 2015 Seahawks that they wont have the O line talent to deliver in the run game in 2017. Short of that, there's nothing to be done than try other stuff or hope the linemen figure it out better each game. We don't have the horses for this race.
Pretty much, thats what happens when he get rid of your best offensive linemen and marshawn leaves. This mess is on pete and john. Should have kept unger and carpenter.
 

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Or we actually adjust our offense for those on the roster. Our line sucks, and have talent at skill positions QB/WR/TE. A trade at this point of the season isn't netting us enough to get back to smash mouth style.




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Yeah, we want to be that smash mouth, run the ball down you throat team, but we cant do it due to the personnel we have now. Unfortunately our head coach coach cant grasp this and refuses to abandon that philosophy. He even brought in Eddie Lacy as his new big bruising RB to continue the pipe dream. All it has netted us so far is 1 TD on a broken play in 8 quarters, a healthy Eddie Lacy that cant even see the field now and will probably be let go in the next few weeks, and a bottom of the barrel offense. Its almost like Pete doesnt want to score points with his refusal to adapt and thats whats frustrating.
 

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JC, you are talking about a team that has made the divisional for HOW many years straight?

If you wanna talk about ''messes'' how about you look at any other super bowl team the year after besides the obvious anamoly NE.

How about we start just respecting the results and going batspit crazy when we actually don't make the divisional round in the not for long league?
 

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pittpnthrs":5atcmtpf said:
Yeah, we want to be that smash mouth, run the ball down you throat team, but we cant do it due to the personnel we have now. Unfortunately our head coach coach cant grasp this and refuses to abandon that philosophy. He even brought in Eddie Lacy as his new big bruising RB to continue the pipe dream. All it has netted us so far is 1 TD on a broken play in 8 quarters, a healthy Eddie Lacy that cant even see the field now and will probably be let go in the next few weeks, and a bottom of the barrel offense. Its almost like Pete doesnt want to score points with his refusal to adapt and thats whats frustrating.

>Lacy
>Smash mouth bruising RB

Pick one.
 

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Hilarious that so many tie our success/failure to a running back that hasn't been relevant to winning football in almost 3 years and pretty much quit on the team during a playoff run. The last time I saw Lynch running behind this line, it wasn't pretty. Selective memory...
 

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Crizilla":3odd00sd said:
pittpnthrs":3odd00sd said:
Yeah, we want to be that smash mouth, run the ball down you throat team, but we cant do it due to the personnel we have now. Unfortunately our head coach coach cant grasp this and refuses to abandon that philosophy. He even brought in Eddie Lacy as his new big bruising RB to continue the pipe dream. All it has netted us so far is 1 TD on a broken play in 8 quarters, a healthy Eddie Lacy that cant even see the field now and will probably be let go in the next few weeks, and a bottom of the barrel offense. Its almost like Pete doesnt want to score points with his refusal to adapt and thats whats frustrating.

>Lacy
>Smash mouth bruising RB

Pick one.

Its neither though. We dont have the luxury of having a RB the leads the league in yards after contact anymore so why do we continue to use that same offense? We opened up the offense in the second half of the 2015 season and were scoring gobs of points and were scary to everybody. Why we resorted to the old formula since then is beyond me.
 

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MontanaHawk05":1miku58e said:
RussB":1miku58e said:
Releasing carpenter,okung, and and trading unger also contributed to this.

You all wanted that to happen.

I was going to see, wasn't Carpenter kind of referred to as a draft bust and not that good? Wasn't he actually replaced as a starter the Super Bowl year as late as the Saints playoff game?
 

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2015, where was Lynch when RW won the big shootout against the Stealers?...Where was the "Smash-mouth" from Lynch for the rest of that season when Wilson & Baldwin was lighting up the competition and setting records?...When Jimmy Graham was injured?, when Rawls was injured?, Wilson still got us a bunch of wins.
I'm hearing a lot of false echo's.
 

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On D they take unique skill sets and put them in the right positions and schemes.

On O they take unique skill sets and put them in the wrong positions and schemes.


It's a head scratcher.
 

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Smash mouth football works, but the blocking has been pretty bad overall.
On another note, it's time to get over the Lynch thing and move on. He plays for the Raiders, the Raiders don't matter. He's not coming back.
 

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It's not so much the lack of smash mouth football that's the issue, it's the fact that our head coach refuses to evolve and adapt to his personnel.

Pete keeps banging his scheme head against the wall trying to do what worked 3-4 years ago.

Yes when we had a good line, a HOF RB in his prime, a REALLY good blocking TE and Russell at his healthiest and fastest, this style of football worked.

But we don't have ANY of that anymore, yet Pete continues to try instead of changing up our offensive scheme to take advantage of a much smarter Russell, Graham and solid WR core that could thrive in a more up tempo pass heavy offense.
 

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The stubborn is strong in this coaching staff. It's incredibly frustrating to watch other teams adjust, while the Hawks just try the same stuff over and over again. Then come 4th quarter, switch it up. Um.........adjust and adapt.
 

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Sgt. Largent":di3dkiqw said:
It's not so much the lack of smash mouth football that's the issue, it's the fact that our head coach refuses to evolve and adapt to his personnel.

Pete keeps banging his scheme head against the wall trying to do what worked 3-4 years ago.

Yes when we had a good line, a HOF RB in his prime, a REALLY good blocking TE and Russell at his healthiest and fastest, this style of football worked.

But we don't have ANY of that anymore, yet Pete continues to try instead of changing up our offensive scheme to take advantage of a much smarter Russell, Graham and solid WR core that could thrive in a more up tempo pass heavy offense.

Couldn't agree more. Let's at least try to win with our strengths on offense.
 

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scrummymustard":21shd4iv said:
Sgt. Largent":21shd4iv said:
It's not so much the lack of smash mouth football that's the issue, it's the fact that our head coach refuses to evolve and adapt to his personnel.

Pete keeps banging his scheme head against the wall trying to do what worked 3-4 years ago.

Yes when we had a good line, a HOF RB in his prime, a REALLY good blocking TE and Russell at his healthiest and fastest, this style of football worked.

But we don't have ANY of that anymore, yet Pete continues to try instead of changing up our offensive scheme to take advantage of a much smarter Russell, Graham and solid WR core that could thrive in a more up tempo pass heavy offense.

Couldn't agree more. Let's at least try to win with our strengths on offense.


As much as I love Pete the motivator, this is arguably his biggest deficiency........and on the flip side what makes Belichick the greatest coach of all time. His ability to evolve, change and adapt year to year, game to game and even series to series with creating schemes and playcalling depending on the weaknesses of his opponents. One week he's smashmouthing, next week he won't even run the ball until the 3rd quarter.

Pete thinks he can dictate, and that can work on defense when you have 8-9 All Pro's. But it doesn't work most of the time on offense, cause we aren't bigger, faster and stronger than the dudes lining up across from Russell.
 

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MontanaHawk05":1cddb8rq said:
RussB":1cddb8rq said:
Releasing carpenter,okung, and and trading unger also contributed to this.

You all wanted that to happen.

Why post this antagonizing garbage?!

We all (every single person here) wanted to trade Unger for Graham plus give up a 1st, and Okung for Fant, and Carp. for Glow??

That is friggen trolling there. :roll: :pukeface:
 

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I think some of us are being pretty shortsighted on the whole not being able to adapt non offense. That is being done every game. Yes, we want to be run-dominant, but it doesn't mean we're not offering different looks to keep the opposing defense guessing.
 
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