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  • The consensus seems to be that Carson Wentz (#1 in passing TDs) and Tom Brady (#1 in passing yards) are leading the MVP race. I am hoping that rushing output does not become lost in the discussion; there is no reason not to include scrimmage yards and TDs. A strong showing by Wilson this Sunday against Wentz could propel him into the conversation.

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    Russell Wilson now leads the NFL in both total yards & TDs (UPDATED)

    Total Yardage
    #1 Russell Wilson - 3,688 total yards (3,256 passing + 432 rushing)
    #2 Tom Brady - 3,656 total yards (3,632 passing + 24 rushing)
    #3 Kirk Cousins - 3,440 total yards (3,289 passing + 151 rushing)

    Total Touchdowns
    T-#1 Russell Wilson - 29 TDs (26 passing + 3 rushing)
    T-#1 Carson Wentz - 29 TDs (29 passing + 0 rushing)
    #3 Tom Brady - 26 TDs (26 passing + 0 rushing)

    MVP! MVP! :2thumbs:
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  • He's got more yards then TB? In an offense that's all about the deep throws? And not WCO like Brady? No way.
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  • Josea16 wrote:He's got more yards then TB? In an offense that's all about the deep throws? And not WCO like Brady? No way.


    He’s got more yard than Brady in an offense geared towards Wilson running for his life and making plays out of nothing.
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  • Pretty damn solid for a guy w/a swiss cheese O-Line and zero running game to help him out. Not that Josea would actually acknowledge how impressive that is.
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  • Watch the oline look good in a few weeks and they'll say it's his supporting cast.
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  • We are too dependent on him and he "almost threw 3 picks" last week. Trade him while the value is high. If we only had that high 1st, we could have had Luck or RG3. :sarcasm_off:
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  • Good point, hurry before it's too late
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  • Seymour wrote:We are too dependent on him and he "almost threw 3 picks" last week. Trade him while the value is high. If we only had that high 1st, we could have had Luck or RG3. :sarcasm_off:


    If one listens to the "talking heads" on radio or TV, RW is casually mentioned as a TOP 5 QB....and that begrudgingly.
    Fact of the matter, if given their druthers, 75% of the teams would love to have Russ.
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  • Bigpumpkin wrote:
    Seymour wrote:We are too dependent on him and he "almost threw 3 picks" last week. Trade him while the value is high. If we only had that high 1st, we could have had Luck or RG3. :sarcasm_off:


    If one listens to the "talking heads" on radio or TV, RW is casually mentioned as a TOP 5 QB....and that begrudgingly.
    Fact of the matter, if given their druthers, 75% of the teams would love to have Russ.


    Top 5 would make him coveted by >84.3% of the teams :lol:
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  • Russ is coveted all over the universe by the the best fans
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  • cymatica wrote:Watch the oline look good in a few weeks and they'll say it's his supporting cast.


    I would love it if that happened! It would mean the oline is playing well.
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  • hawknation2017 wrote:The consensus seems to be that Carson Wentz (#1 in passing TDs) and Tom Brady (#1 in passing yards) are leading the MVP race. I am hoping that rushing output does not become lost in the discussion; there is no reason not to include scrimmage yards and TDs. A strong showing by Wilson this Sunday against Wentz could propel him into the conversation.

    Total Yardage
    #1 Russell Wilson - 3,430 total yards (3,029 passing + 401 rushing)
    #2 Tom Brady - 3,398 total yards (3,374 passing + 24 rushing)
    #3 Kirk Cousins - 3,183 total yards (3,038 passing + 145 rushing)
    #4 Drew Brees - 3,045 total yards (3,029 passing + 16 rushing)
    #5 Alex Smith - 3,029 total yards (2,873 passing + 235 rushing)

    Total Touchdowns
    #1 Carson Wentz - 28 TDs (28 passing + 0 rushing)
    T-#2 Russell Wilson - 26 TDs (23 passing + 3 rushing)
    T-#2 Tom Brady - 26 TDs (26 passing + 0 rushing)
    #4 Kirk Cousins - 22 TDs (19 passing + 3 rushing)
    T-#5 Matthew Stafford - 21 TDs (21 passing + 0 rushing)
    T-#5 Deshaun Watson - 21 TDs (19 passing + 2 rushing)
    T-#5 Dak Prescott - 21 TDs (16 passing + 5 rushing)

    MVP! MVP! :2thumbs:


    Now lets add in RW is over 80% of our total yards and over 90% of our total Offensive Tds
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Pretty damn solid for a guy w/a swiss cheese O-Line and zero running game to help him out. Not that Josea would actually acknowledge how impressive that is.

    I have no problem acknowledging that.
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  • Actually a deep shot offense has lower percentage throws so I wouldn't be surprised if the WCO gives more yards overall due to high percentage throws with lots of YAC opportunities. Also, Brady has been taking more and more deep shots, especially this year. He's still the MVP IMO, as a pure passer no one is close this year. RW is 2nd. Wentz is vastly overrated due to a very high TD/INT ratio, but he isn't as big a part of his offense as either RW or Brady.
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  • Love RW. Hate Brady.

    I got Brady as #1 and RW #2 right now.
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  • By the way, it's amazing how Watson is still tied for 5th. The dude is special
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  • Such a shame what happened to Watson. Go Russ!
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  • Wait a minute ... Are you saying Russell is more than a game manager?
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  • Wentz and Brady wouldn't survive behind the Hawk OL, except Brady would audible out of Bev's plays more and call a more quick pass offense and keep himself and the O alive. Since he's 7 inches taller than Russ and can read the defenses better he'd actually do well in the pocket as short lived as it is.
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  • Seafan wrote:Wentz and Brady wouldn't survive behind the Hawk OL, except Brady would audible out of Bev's plays more and call a more quick pass offense and keep himself and the O alive. Since he's 7 inches taller than Russ and can read the defenses better he'd actually do well in the pocket as short lived as it is.


    Was with you till you infamous backhanded stab at Rw and height which once again you cant prove. But hey way to take a stab again. Brady would not last behind our oline or running our offense.
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  • Seafan wrote:Wentz and Brady wouldn't survive behind the Hawk OL, except Brady would audible out of Bev's plays more and call a more quick pass offense and keep himself and the O alive. Since he's 7 inches taller than Russ and can read the defenses better he'd actually do well in the pocket as short lived as it is.


    No he wouldn't. He would follow the system the coaches put in place. Brady is who he is by sticking to Belicheats system, which is that quick pass offense for the most part. He doesn't go sandlot like Wilson. Wilson's style is half the reason they don't get blown out. You can't gameplan his sandlot houdini plays.
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  • cymatica wrote:
    Seafan wrote:Wentz and Brady wouldn't survive behind the Hawk OL, except Brady would audible out of Bev's plays more and call a more quick pass offense and keep himself and the O alive. Since he's 7 inches taller than Russ and can read the defenses better he'd actually do well in the pocket as short lived as it is.


    No he wouldn't. He would follow the system the coaches put in place. Brady is who he is by sticking to Belicheats system, which is that quick pass offense for the most part. He doesn't go sandlot like Wilson. Wilson's style is half the reason they don't get blown out. You can't gameplan his sandlot houdini plays.



    Both PC and Bevell have aid it is part of their game plan.
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  • Anthony! wrote:
    cymatica wrote:
    Seafan wrote:Wentz and Brady wouldn't survive behind the Hawk OL, except Brady would audible out of Bev's plays more and call a more quick pass offense and keep himself and the O alive. Since he's 7 inches taller than Russ and can read the defenses better he'd actually do well in the pocket as short lived as it is.


    No he wouldn't. He would follow the system the coaches put in place. Brady is who he is by sticking to Belicheats system, which is that quick pass offense for the most part. He doesn't go sandlot like Wilson. Wilson's style is half the reason they don't get blown out. You can't gameplan his sandlot houdini plays.



    Both PC and Bevell have aid it is part of their game plan.


    "Our game plan is to win with a bunch of undesigned plays by our ad-lib QB since we have no clue how to build a competent offensive line".

    Really?
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  • I'm surprised Wentz isn't even in the top 5 of total yards with all the MVP hype he's gotten. Don't get me wrong, he's played really well and is an excellent player. However, Brady has much more of a case for MVP than Wentz. Cousins should get a little more talk than he has gotten too. Russell should be considered more if he can continue to produce but cut down on the turnovers a little bit. Turnovers is the tale of the tape for me so far this season for MVP talks and QB's.

    Wilson - 13 turnovers (8 int, 5 fum)
    Cousins - 10 turnovers (6 int, 4 fum)
    Wentz - 9 turnovers (5 int, 4 fum)
    Brady - 8 turnovers (3 int, 5 fum)
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  • DJrmb wrote:I'm surprised Wentz isn't even in the top 5 of total yards with all the MVP hype he's gotten. Don't get me wrong, he's played really well and is an excellent player. However, Brady has much more of a case for MVP than Wentz. Cousins should get a little more talk than he has gotten too. Russell should be considered more if he can continue to produce but cut down on the turnovers a little bit. Turnovers is the tale of the tape for me so far this season for MVP talks and QB's.

    Wilson - 13 turnovers (8 int, 5 fum)
    Cousins - 10 turnovers (6 int, 4 fum)
    Wentz - 9 turnovers (5 int, 4 fum)
    Brady - 8 turnovers (3 int, 5 fum)


    Wilson has only lost two fumbles this year: the one against GB and the one against ATL. So that is 10 total turnovers for Wilson.
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  • Agree. Wilson has lost 2 fumbles this year = 10 total turnovers.
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  • hawknation2017 wrote:
    DJrmb wrote:I'm surprised Wentz isn't even in the top 5 of total yards with all the MVP hype he's gotten. Don't get me wrong, he's played really well and is an excellent player. However, Brady has much more of a case for MVP than Wentz. Cousins should get a little more talk than he has gotten too. Russell should be considered more if he can continue to produce but cut down on the turnovers a little bit. Turnovers is the tale of the tape for me so far this season for MVP talks and QB's.

    Wilson - 13 turnovers (8 int, 5 fum)
    Cousins - 10 turnovers (6 int, 4 fum)
    Wentz - 9 turnovers (5 int, 4 fum)
    Brady - 8 turnovers (3 int, 5 fum)


    Wilson has only lost two fumbles this year: the one against GB and the one against ATL. So that is 10 total turnovers for Wilson.

    Those were all from ESPN so they must be listing fumbles as ones lost and ones recovered by their own teams. 10 is better on the turnovers, however that means that the other QB's fumble #'s may be skewed as well. Even at 10 RW is tied for the most of the 4 QB's listed. So I still think he needs to cut down on turnovers to be really considered a possibility for MVP. That, and be a little bit more efficient.
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  • 10 turnovers in 11 games, behind that line. That's pretty damn solid.
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  • People still bringing up height in 2017? Holy crap, did you know we landed on the moon too?
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  • Updated turnover #'s with fumbles that were actually lost to the opponent:

    Wilson - 10 turnovers (8 int, 2 fum lost)
    Cousins - 10 turnovers (6 int, 4 fum lost)
    Wentz - 7 turnovers (5 int, 2 fum lost)
    Brady - 6 turnovers (3 int, 3 fum lost)
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  • Some really good QB's on that list. Really impressed with Wentz, he seems very focuses and like a pretty good dude.
    Philly finally got something right out there.
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  • renofox wrote:
    Anthony! wrote:
    cymatica wrote:
    Seafan wrote:Wentz and Brady wouldn't survive behind the Hawk OL, except Brady would audible out of Bev's plays more and call a more quick pass offense and keep himself and the O alive. Since he's 7 inches taller than Russ and can read the defenses better he'd actually do well in the pocket as short lived as it is.


    No he wouldn't. He would follow the system the coaches put in place. Brady is who he is by sticking to Belicheats system, which is that quick pass offense for the most part. He doesn't go sandlot like Wilson. Wilson's style is half the reason they don't get blown out. You can't gameplan his sandlot houdini plays.



    Both PC and Bevell have aid it is part of their game plan.


    "Our game plan is to win with a bunch of undesigned plays by our ad-lib QB since we have no clue how to build a competent offensive line".

    Really?



    I did not say the whole plan but it is part of our game plan, per PC and DB
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  • DJrmb wrote:Updated turnover #'s with fumbles that were actually lost to the opponent:

    Wilson - 10 turnovers (8 int, 2 fum lost)
    Cousins - 10 turnovers (6 int, 4 fum lost)
    Wentz - 7 turnovers (5 int, 2 fum lost)
    Brady - 6 turnovers (3 int, 3 fum lost)


    The biggest difference is Rw makes up over 80% of our offensive yards and over 96% of our offensive TDs so being higher in TO makes sense

    Brady makes up- 72% of total yards and 76% of total offensive tds
    Cousins makes up- 71% of total yards and 70% of total offensive tds
    Wentz makes up- 62% of total yards and 75% of total offensive tds
    Wilson makes up 83% of total yards and 96% of total offensive tds

    Enough said
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  • cymatica wrote:
    Seafan wrote:Wentz and Brady wouldn't survive behind the Hawk OL, except Brady would audible out of Bev's plays more and call a more quick pass offense and keep himself and the O alive. Since he's 7 inches taller than Russ and can read the defenses better he'd actually do well in the pocket as short lived as it is.


    No he wouldn't. He would follow the system the coaches put in place. Brady is who he is by sticking to Belicheats system, which is that quick pass offense for the most part. He doesn't go sandlot like Wilson. Wilson's style is half the reason they don't get blown out. You can't gameplan his sandlot houdini plays.


    No, Brady is who he is because he's a damn good QB - quite possibly the GOAT.

    Russell had the benefit of a super-stacked team upon his arrival in Seattle, including a HoF running back.

    He has struggled a bit to prove his own ability to dominate/lead but think this year he might have turned the corner in that regard, something which is especially remarkable given the O-Lines he has had to play with.

    He's not an MVP this season, but a top 5 QB for sure with potential to go further if given a proper supporting cast including an coaching staff upgrade.
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  • semiahmoo wrote:
    cymatica wrote:
    Seafan wrote:Wentz and Brady wouldn't survive behind the Hawk OL, except Brady would audible out of Bev's plays more and call a more quick pass offense and keep himself and the O alive. Since he's 7 inches taller than Russ and can read the defenses better he'd actually do well in the pocket as short lived as it is.


    No he wouldn't. He would follow the system the coaches put in place. Brady is who he is by sticking to Belicheats system, which is that quick pass offense for the most part. He doesn't go sandlot like Wilson. Wilson's style is half the reason they don't get blown out. You can't gameplan his sandlot houdini plays.


    No, Brady is who he is because he's a damn good QB - quite possibly the GOAT.

    Russell had the benefit of a super-stacked team upon his arrival in Seattle, including a HoF running back.

    He has struggled a bit to prove his own ability to dominate/lead but think this year he might have turned the corner in that regard, something which is especially remarkable given the O-Lines he has had to play with.

    He's not an MVP this season, but a top 5 QB for sure with potential to go further if given a proper supporting cast including an coaching staff upgrade.



    When Russell arrived, the only part of our team that was truly stacked was our defense

    If great defenses was mainly what determined the success of a team, Blake Bortles would be heading to the Super Bowl, as were all the other teams with a top defense

    Russell has proven for years that even when the defense slips, he can carry the load. Lynch succeeded in large part because he had Russell's read option to feed off of. Brady has not had to deal with nearly as much as Wilson this year. The idea that Russell isn't in the MVP conversation is just another example of holding our GREAT Qb to a different standard
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  • Russ will never be accepted by some. I see ot with people around me. I also see the complete opposite with Russ. He is a god.

    My favorite seahawks QB of all time.

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  • It is what it is with Russ. Blatant refusal to accept him is always going to be part of it.
    Meh, to each his/her own. By far the best QB in team history, and one of the best in football.
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  • I mean, RB was pretty stacked in 2012... BTW, the total yard percentage only works in MVP voters' minds if the team is winning. David Johnson had some insane percentage of his team's scrimmage yards last year for a RB, but the team sucked so no one considered him for MVP. I think that if we make the playoffs and Russ finishes with around 32 passing TDs and 10 or fewer picks, he has a great shot!
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  • If he pulls the "huge upset" (other people's words, not mine) on Sunday, that would put him smack in the middle of consideration for sure.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:It is what it is with Russ. Blatant refusal to accept him is always going to be part of it.
    Meh, to each his/her own. By far the best QB in team history, and one of the best in football.


    I agree but the pathetic part is, alot of those that will not accept him are the fans of his own team
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  • adeltaY wrote:I mean, RB was pretty stacked in 2012... BTW, the total yard percentage only works in MVP voters' minds if the team is winning. David Johnson had some insane percentage of his team's scrimmage yards last year for a RB, but the team sucked so no one considered him for MVP. I think that if we make the playoffs and Russ finishes with around 32 passing TDs and 10 or fewer picks, he has a great shot!



    so DJ had 1239 rushing yards last year which is was only 71% of the teams rushing yards, and only 34% of the total yards, and only 42% of total offensive TDs so he is not even close to the levels Rw is. NO player in the SB era has accounted for over 80% of the offensive yards and over 90% of the offensive TDs
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  • I hear you Anthony, time for me to be done trying to even stick up for Russ. Go Hawks
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:I hear you Anthony, time for me to be done trying to even stick up for Russ. Go Hawks



    Its really pathetic that anyone has to, but you and I both know we do.
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  • Russell Wilson now leads the NFL in both total yards & TDs (UPDATED)

    Total Yardage
    #1 Russell Wilson - 3,688 total yards (3,256 passing + 432 rushing)
    #2 Tom Brady - 3,656 total yards (3,632 passing + 24 rushing)
    #3 Kirk Cousins - 3,440 total yards (3,289 passing + 151 rushing)

    Total Touchdowns
    T-#1 Russell Wilson - 29 TDs (26 passing + 3 rushing)
    T-#1 Carson Wentz - 29 TDs (29 passing + 0 rushing)
    #3 Tom Brady - 26 TDs (26 passing + 0 rushing)

    MVP! MVP! :2thumbs:
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  • adeltaY wrote:By the way, it's amazing how Watson is still tied for 5th. The dude is special


    Watson will be the next superstar QB. Got to admit it. We've got to make hay now.
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  • I’d love for them to put a FitBit on RW to track how many yards he actually runs during a game.
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  • PlinytheCenter wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:By the way, it's amazing how Watson is still tied for 5th. The dude is special


    Watson will be the next superstar QB. Got to admit it. We've got to make hay now.


    Watson is great, but, Watson has a long freaking way to go, crap load to prove, to be in the same conversation as Russ. Smh
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  • Throw in the fact that Russell has already tied an NFL record for 4th quarter TDS with 4 games remaining. 1st in total yards, 1st in touchdowns, carrying his team's offensive output, playing behind a bad line and no running game. He should be the front runner right now.
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