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  • It occurred to me that we control our destiny with the Rams regardless and would it be in our best interest to root for the Rams to beat Philadelphia? Wouldn't that give us a better shot at a first seed possibility?
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  • I understand where you are coming from but to me winning the West is key, so lets do that and see where the chips fall.
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  • To me locking up the division is most important. Guaranteed home playoff game. I know winning out gets the division but Eagles knocking the Rams down helps that and gives a little wiggle room.

    I doubt the Vikings lose more than one more game so #2 is potentially up for grabs if Eagles lose but they'll still need to lose another game to fall out.
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  • Fair question. At first I thought screw that, always hope your division opponent leader loses, but if the Eagles lose next week, things get interesting for sure. Still, we want the Rams to lose so we can take the lead but the Eagles losing is not a bad thing in the least.
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  • To gain the second seed it is doable but unlikely.

    Root for the Eagles, I will be. Although I expect the Rams to win.
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  • StoneCold wrote:It occurred to me that we control our destiny with the Rams regardless and would it be in our best interest to root for the Rams to beat Philadelphia? Wouldn't that give us a better shot at a first seed possibility?


    Yep. That's what I'm doing. Go Rams. :pukeface:
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  • There is never a good reason to root for the Rams.
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  • sdog1981 wrote:There is (almost) never a good reason to root for the Rams.



    :ditto:
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  • Aros wrote:Fair question. At first I thought screw that, always hope your division opponent leader loses, but if the Eagles lose next week, things get interesting for sure. Still, we want the Rams to lose so we can take the lead but the Eagles losing is not a bad thing in the least.


    Yeah, I think it is a 8 of one 4 of another. (this is based on the phrase 6 of one half a dozen of another) I think out right rooting for the Rams borders on counting your chickens before they hatch, which always makes me uncomfortable. Hey, two saying in one post. But like you say, Philly winning makes things interesting.
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  • 1 or 2 seed is unlikely at this point. The 2 home losses hurt that possibility badly. But good news is division is up for grabs and hawks are heating up. So ill be rooting for eagles to murk the rams then rams have to come to C link and will probably lose another tough game. That will be huge if we give them back to back losses.
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  • Yep 1 or 2 is unfortunately unlikely. Too many tough teams in the NFC this year. Hawks will likely end up between 3 and 5 seed.
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  • To root for the Rams you're basically hoping that the Eagles lose to the Cowboys in Week 17. I don't trust the Cowboys to get it done

    The Eagles are guaranteed to win the Raiders and Giants. If anything, I'd say the Vikings falling is a little more likely. They face:


    1) The Panthers - Inconsistent, but when Cam is on he's Elite
    2) Bengals - Underachieving, but have a good enough team to win if they can stop Case Keenum. Which is possible
    3) Packers - They'll have Aaron Rodgers back and a possible 6 seed up for grabs if the Falcons and Panthers falter. Bonus, they face the Panthers in Week 15


    So that's 3 possible games the Vikings can lose. Actually, with Case Keenum as far as I'm concerned they're both capable of winning AND losing any game.

    I'm perfectly okay with the Eagles having the #1 seed. I would love a chance for the Hawks to go in there and steal their shine. OR, if they're one and done we could get home field advantage throughout the playoffs

    Root for the Vikings to lose a couple :irishdrinkers:
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  • Either one losing helps in part so I'm good either way. Now a tie....
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  • Only tiebreaker we'd win for the 1 seed would be a H2H with Philly. Believe we lose tiebreakers when Minnesota and NO get involved.

    So no, the division and subsequent home playoff game are much more important to us right now.
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  • Only way we get a first round by is if 2 of Philly, NO, and Minnesota tank while we win out. Probanly not gonna happen. We need to win the division, of course if we win out we get the division no matter what so I dont really care what happens between the Rams and Eagles.
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  • sdog1981 wrote:There is never a good reason to root for the Rams.


    I used to believe in this, but was proven wrong many years ago. When we were in the AFC, I was passionate in my hate for the Raiders (and the Broncos, but that's a different story). I don't recall the year it happened, but it was the final week and we were in a position to need the Raiders to win to get into the playoffs. I found myself unable to not root for the Raiders that day, even though I told myself I wouldn't do it, as soon as the ball kicked off, I wanted them to win so we'd get into the playoffs. Ever since then, I realized that if it helps my Seahawks, I'm willing to swallow a bit of pride and root for a division rival.

    With that said, the more I think about it the more I think this game between the Rams and Eagles is kind of meaningless. I don't see us surpassing 2 of the 3 other division leaders to take over the #2 spot (and obviously not all three for the #1 spot), so with that embedded in my brain, and the fact that even if the Rams win, we just need to keep winning to win our division, I've decided to just concentrate on our win over Jacksonville this week and our wins each upcoming week and let the chips fall where they may.
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  • Were not getting a bye. We need to hope for the division now and a home playoff game.

    We're battling against Minnesota, Philly, New Orleans/Carolina for those two spots. We have the most losses already of that group, PLUS we play all the way across the country at first place Jax, then the Rams, then the Cowboys then the pesky cards.....

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  • What a difference a week makes!

    Last week, we were inundated with posts telling us that the season was over, playoffs were out of reach, blow up the team.

    Now I'm reading about possible routes to the 1 seed.

    Love it :)
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  • Root for the Rams???

    Are you nuts? Never root for the Rams.

    Job 1 is winning the division, after that getting the playoff bye would be nice; but is likely unreachable given the strength of some other teams in the NFC
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  • win/win

    we control our own destiny for the division either way
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  • Hawkpower wrote:What a difference a week makes!

    Last week, we were inundated with posts telling us that the season was over, playoffs were out of reach, blow up the team.

    Now I'm reading about possible routes to the 1 seed.

    Love it :)



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  • Just did the math... the only path to the 1 seed is either finishing tied with the Eagles for the best record or finishing in a 3-way tie with Carolina and Philadelphia with the best record.

    If Seattle wins out, they are almost certainly landing the 3 seed, with a few scenarios that'd have them in the 2 spot, and a couple of super long shot scenarios having them as a 4 seed at 12-4 (literally every other NFC contender would have to finish 12-4 to have a 4 seeded 12-4 Seahawks team)
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  • If we lose to Jax then we need philly to beat the rams.

    If the rams beat philly then we essentially have to win out to win the division. Go eagles
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  • Definitely want the Rams to lose. Any of our remaining games is losable so we want the Rams to take as many Ls as they can.
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  • Hawkpower wrote:What a difference a week makes!

    Last week, we were inundated with posts telling us that the season was over, playoffs were out of reach, blow up the team.



    And how we're not going anywhere unless we get the #1 seed. :)
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  • Rams beat Eagles
    Seahawks beat Rams.
    Eagles lose 1 more.

    Seahawks at least move up to 3 seed.

    The only thing that's important is to win out.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:Rams beat Eagles
    Seahawks beat Rams.
    Eagles lose 1 more.

    Seahawks at least move up to 3 seed.

    The only thing that's important is to win out.


    The Rams winning would make our margin of error incredibly small of not only winning the division, but making the playoffs in general.

    We're not getting the 1 seed barring some crazy turn of events. The Eagles beating the Rams is much more beneficial to us in the long run.
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  • The only team I am rooting for next week (or any week) are the Seahawks. Evryone else can go suck eggs.

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  • Right now, it doesn't matter what the Rams do. The Seahawks are in the drivers' seat to win the division.

    If the Rams lose, then great . . . that's added security.

    If the Eagles lose, then great . . . that increases our chances of earning a first round bye.

    Just win, baby.

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  • Give me the #2 seed, and a bye week.

    How to get there?

    The Saints lose 2 games. The Eagles lose 2 games. The Seahawks win out. The Vikes end up 13-3.

    Go Rams.

    The Seahawks have to beat the Rams if they want to win the division anyway.
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  • If you believe the Hawks will win out, then their best chance of getting a first round bye is for the Rams to beat the Eagles.

    I'm just looking at this Rams/Eagles game as a win-win as long as the Hawks win.
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  • kidhawk wrote:
    sdog1981 wrote:There is never a good reason to root for the Rams.


    I used to believe in this, but was proven wrong many years ago. When we were in the AFC, I was passionate in my hate for the Raiders (and the Broncos, but that's a different story). I don't recall the year it happened, but it was the final week and we were in a position to need the Raiders to win to get into the playoffs. I found myself unable to not root for the Raiders that day, even though I told myself I wouldn't do it, as soon as the ball kicked off, I wanted them to win so we'd get into the playoffs. Ever since then, I realized that if it helps my Seahawks, I'm willing to swallow a bit of pride and root for a division rival.

    With that said, the more I think about it the more I think this game between the Rams and Eagles is kind of meaningless. I don't see us surpassing 2 of the 3 other division leaders to take over the #2 spot (and obviously not all three for the #1 spot), so with that embedded in my brain, and the fact that even if the Rams win, we just need to keep winning to win our division, I've decided to just concentrate on our win over Jacksonville this week and our wins each upcoming week and let the chips fall where they may.


    In 87 we needed a 9-4 Denver to beat an 8-6 Chargers team for us to get into the playoffs. We finished the season 9-6 losing our last game to the Chiefs. If the Chargers beat the Broncos we lose the tie breaker and miss the playoffs. So yeah their have been times to root for a hated rival.
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  • HawkFan72 wrote:If you believe the Hawks will win out, then their best chance of getting a first round bye is for the Rams to beat the Eagles.

    I'm just looking at this Rams/Eagles game as a win-win as long as the Hawks win.


    Wrong.

    The Eagles need 4 losses for the Seahawks to get the #2 Seed (and a couple of other things). The Rams provide the best opportunity for them to lose another game (Their toughest remaining game). They then need to lose 1 more against the Raiders @ night, or the Cowboys week 17.
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    vin.couve12 wrote:Rams beat Eagles
    Seahawks beat Rams.
    Eagles lose 1 more.

    Seahawks at least move up to 3 seed.

    The only thing that's important is to win out.


    The Rams winning would make our margin of error incredibly small of not only winning the division, but making the playoffs in general.

    We're not getting the 1 seed barring some crazy turn of events. The Eagles beating the Rams is much more beneficial to us in the long run.


    Well then I guess you're right. The Seahawks are just going to lose anyway.
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  • Fade wrote:
    HawkFan72 wrote:If you believe the Hawks will win out, then their best chance of getting a first round bye is for the Rams to beat the Eagles.

    I'm just looking at this Rams/Eagles game as a win-win as long as the Hawks win.


    Wrong.

    The Eagles need 4 losses for the Seahawks to get the #2 Seed (and a couple of other things). The Rams provide the best opportunity for them to lose another game (Their toughest remaining game). They then need to lose 1 more against the Raiders @ night, or the Cowboys week 17.


    Hey, don't count out the Giants. McAdoo is gone and Eli is back at QB... :2thumbs:
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  • NJlargent wrote:If we lose to Jax then we need philly to beat the rams.

    If the rams beat philly then we essentially have to win out to win the division. Go eagles


    Both games are 1:25 and on Fox. Guess we won't know until after it's all said and done.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    Hawkpower wrote:What a difference a week makes!

    Last week, we were inundated with posts telling us that the season was over, playoffs were out of reach, blow up the team.



    And how we're not going anywhere unless we get the #1 seed. :)


    Just to be clear I'm not counting any chickens. Who knows what's going to happen. (has to be said to appease the gods of over confidence) I'm just trying to work out the possibilities. Right know it's nice to there are possibilities.
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  • Year of The Hawk wrote:The only team I am rooting for next week (or any week) are the Seahawks. Evryone else can go suck eggs.

    Go Hawks.


    Don't see a whole lot of reason for you to be posting in this thread, then.
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  • Hasselbeck wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:Rams beat Eagles
    Seahawks beat Rams.
    Eagles lose 1 more.

    Seahawks at least move up to 3 seed.

    The only thing that's important is to win out.


    The Rams winning would make our margin of error incredibly small of not only winning the division, but making the playoffs in general.


    Our margin is already small: we lose one more game and there's a very likely chance that we're out entirely.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
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    vin.couve12 wrote:Rams beat Eagles
    Seahawks beat Rams.
    Eagles lose 1 more.

    Seahawks at least move up to 3 seed.

    The only thing that's important is to win out.


    The Rams winning would make our margin of error incredibly small of not only winning the division, but making the playoffs in general.


    Our margin is already small: we lose one more game and there's a very likely chance that we're out entirely.



    Very Likely?? @ 11-5??

    You do realize that Carolina already has 4 losses and Atlanta has 5 right? And that they still play each other again....plus other games vs. New Orleans?

    Not sure I agree.
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  • Aros wrote:Fair question. At first I thought screw that, always hope your division opponent leader loses, but if the Eagles lose next week, things get interesting for sure. Still, we want the Rams to lose so we can take the lead but the Eagles losing is not a bad thing in the least.

    As long as somebody loses besides us, I'm good.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
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    vin.couve12 wrote:Rams beat Eagles
    Seahawks beat Rams.
    Eagles lose 1 more.

    Seahawks at least move up to 3 seed.

    The only thing that's important is to win out.


    The Rams winning would make our margin of error incredibly small of not only winning the division, but making the playoffs in general.


    Our margin is already small: we lose one more game and there's a very likely chance that we're out entirely.

    11-5 should get us in. I want more.
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  • Hawkpower wrote:
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    vin.couve12 wrote:Rams beat Eagles
    Seahawks beat Rams.
    Eagles lose 1 more.

    Seahawks at least move up to 3 seed.

    The only thing that's important is to win out.


    The Rams winning would make our margin of error incredibly small of not only winning the division, but making the playoffs in general.


    Our margin is already small: we lose one more game and there's a very likely chance that we're out entirely.



    Very Likely?? @ 11-5??

    You do realize that Carolina already has 4 losses and Atlanta has 5 right? And that they still play each other again....plus other games vs. New Orleans?

    Not sure I agree.


    Yes, I realize that. But these are two very good teams that are getting hot, and Atlanta holds a tiebreaker over us.
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  • My take: Friends don't let friends root for the Rams
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  • Polaris wrote:My take: Friends don't let friends root for the Rams


    So you don't want a 1st round bye? If the Rams lose to the Eagles it will be pretty much impossible to get it.
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  • Fade wrote:
    Polaris wrote:My take: Friends don't let friends root for the Rams


    So you don't want a 1st round bye? If the Rams lose to the Eagles it will be pretty much impossible to get it.


    First win the division, then worry about the seeding. A Rams loss makes it easier to win the division and allows more margin for error. If you don't win the division, then you are on the road for the whole playoffs.
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  • Polaris wrote:
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    Polaris wrote:My take: Friends don't let friends root for the Rams


    So you don't want a 1st round bye? If the Rams lose to the Eagles it will be pretty much impossible to get it.


    First win the division, then worry about the seeding. A Rams loss makes it easier to win the division and allows more margin for error. If you don't win the division, then you are on the road for the whole playoffs.


    Seattle's chances of going to the Superbowl increase by literally 400% if they get the bye. Wild Card on the road, Wild Card at home. not much different. The Division is irrelevent if it doesn't come with a bye. See the last 2 years.

    Go Rams.
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  • I'm not exactly rooting for the Rams, but I am rooting against the Eagles. I'm a lot more interested in the bye than I am in home field advantage this season. Most of the NFC playoff games are going to look like coin flips this year.
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  • I don't think Seattle's chances at a bye are realistic even if we do win out (at 12-4). OTOH we do have a very realistic shot at winning the division and a Rams loss would make that easier. Bird in hand.
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  • To get a first round bye, we need the Saints to lose two games (they still have to play the Falcons twice), and we need the Eagles to lose two games (@Rams, @Giants, then at home against the Raiders and Cowboys). Saints have the tiebreaker over the Seahawks, so we need them to finish 11-5 or worse. Another option would be for the Vikings to completely nosedive, losing their next three games, though that seems less likely that the other possibilities. Of course, this all assumes the Seahawks win their next four games.
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