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  • Maulbert wrote:OH GOD PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN!


    And if he could then turn around and hire Bevell to be his Offensive Coordinator ... THEN we'd truly have something. :mrgreen:
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  • jmahon316 wrote:https://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/12/6/16743230/seattle-seahawks-tom-cable-new-york-giants-bears-buccaneers-colts-assistant-coach

    Even got support from Russell Okung...Could this finally be the chance to see him gone from the Seahawks sideline?

    Please God make it so. Bevell I don't blame because he's following PC's dictates. Cable is responsible for an OL scheme rendered impossible because of the current blocking rules and CBA which is inexcusable.

    The rules are completely different and specifically target what made Denver's version of the ZBS ridiculously awesome plus the cap and CBA currently in place.
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  • He would be the best thing to ever happen to the Giants (In case anyone from their organization would really want or care about our opinion)

    Really he would be the best Head Coach ever!

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  • He has been in the rumor mill for most jobs, I do think he interviewed for the job that McAdoo got though. He is a lot like Coughlin with his no nonsense approach and I am sure the Giants may like a Coach that has had continued success in the Seahawks and been a Head Coach before as in Oakland.
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  • chris98251 wrote:He has been in the rumor mill for most jobs, I do think he interviewed for the job that McAdoo got though. He is a lot like Coughlin with his no nonsense approach and I am sure the Giants may like a Coach that has had continued success in the Seahawks and been a Head Coach before as in Oakland.

    One can only hope so that we can dump the ZBS crap and become a dominate OL immediately. He would work for the Giants because a Coughlin/Parcells type is a requirement for sustainable sucess in New York.
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  • Josea16 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:He has been in the rumor mill for most jobs, I do think he interviewed for the job that McAdoo got though. He is a lot like Coughlin with his no nonsense approach and I am sure the Giants may like a Coach that has had continued success in the Seahawks and been a Head Coach before as in Oakland.

    One can only hope so that we can dump the ZBS crap and become a dominate OL immediately.


    Ahhh thats where your going to fail Young Josea Walker, Cable is a teacher of the system sure, but he is here solely becasue Pete wants this system, Pete has to be convinced to drop it or find a better coach to execute it.
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  • BigMeach wrote:What's that saying?

    Careful what you wish for?


    why do i have this gut feeling Tom Cable is going to be the best head coach from the Pete Carol coaching tree.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    Josea16 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:He has been in the rumor mill for most jobs, I do think he interviewed for the job that McAdoo got though. He is a lot like Coughlin with his no nonsense approach and I am sure the Giants may like a Coach that has had continued success in the Seahawks and been a Head Coach before as in Oakland.

    One can only hope so that we can dump the ZBS crap and become a dominate OL immediately.


    Ahhh thats where your going to fail Young Josea Walker, Cable is a teacher of the system sure, but he is here solely becasue Pete wants this system, Pete has to be convinced to drop it or find a better coach to execute it.

    Well, they better dump big money on the offense in general and specifically on the OL unless they prefer tilting at windmills? Seriously they draft all these guys that are power blockers and put them in a scheme that is impossible under the current rules and barely ever extend anybody? Pure clinical definition of insane.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
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    chris98251 wrote:He has been in the rumor mill for most jobs, I do think he interviewed for the job that McAdoo got though. He is a lot like Coughlin with his no nonsense approach and I am sure the Giants may like a Coach that has had continued success in the Seahawks and been a Head Coach before as in Oakland.

    One can only hope so that we can dump the ZBS crap and become a dominate OL immediately.


    Ahhh thats where your going to fail Young Josea Walker, Cable is a teacher of the system sure, but he is here solely becasue Pete wants this system, Pete has to be convinced to drop it or find a better coach to execute it.


    There are several versions of the ZBS. For whatever reason, Cable seems to have far more issues getting things to click than other teams looking over the years here. Of course much of that is product selection (player) so for damn sure that won't be missed.
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  • IrishNW wrote:
    BigMeach wrote:What's that saying?

    Careful what you wish for?


    why do i have this gut feeling Tom Cable is going to be the best head coach from the Pete Carol coaching tree.

    As long as it's in New England I'm good with it given your feeling is 100% wrong.
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  • Seymour wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
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    chris98251 wrote:He has been in the rumor mill for most jobs, I do think he interviewed for the job that McAdoo got though. He is a lot like Coughlin with his no nonsense approach and I am sure the Giants may like a Coach that has had continued success in the Seahawks and been a Head Coach before as in Oakland.

    One can only hope so that we can dump the ZBS crap and become a dominate OL immediately.


    Ahhh thats where your going to fail Young Josea Walker, Cable is a teacher of the system sure, but he is here solely becasue Pete wants this system, Pete has to be convinced to drop it or find a better coach to execute it.


    There are several versions of the ZBS. For whatever reason, Cable seems to have far more issues getting things to click than other teams looking over the years here. Of course much of that is product selection (player) so for damn sure that won't be missed.

    I didn't know that. Could you explain the different versions? And what Cable should be drafting because obviously it isn't working currently.
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  • Josea16 wrote:
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    BigMeach wrote:What's that saying?

    Careful what you wish for?


    why do i have this gut feeling Tom Cable is going to be the best head coach from the Pete Carol coaching tree.

    As long as it's in New England I'm good with it given your feeling is 100% wrong.


    well thats like your opinion man
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  • IrishNW wrote:
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    BigMeach wrote:What's that saying?

    Careful what you wish for?


    why do i have this gut feeling Tom Cable is going to be the best head coach from the Pete Carol coaching tree.

    As long as it's in New England I'm good with it given your feeling is 100% wrong.


    well thats like your opinion man

    Yep, and I stand by it. Cable needs to go. Hopefully he punches Odell Beckham in the face for being a pussy. It'd be better if he screwed the Patriots and concussed Brady out of stupidity but I'll take the Giants being screwed longer anytime as consolation.
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  • Josea16 wrote:One can only hope so that we can dump the ZBS crap and become a dominate OL immediately. He would work for the Giants because a Coughlin/Parcells type is a requirement for sustainable sucess in New York.


    1) We were ZBS before Cable. Remember the few-week-long stint we had with Alex Gibbs, the godfather of the ZBS?

    2) It's "dominant", not "dominate".
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  • Maulbert wrote:OH GOD PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN!

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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Josea16 wrote:One can only hope so that we can dump the ZBS crap and become a dominate OL immediately. He would work for the Giants because a Coughlin/Parcells type is a requirement for sustainable sucess in New York.


    1) We were ZBS before Cable. Remember the few-week-long stint we had with Alex Gibbs, the godfather of the ZBS?

    2) It's "dominant", not "dominate".

    The High Lord Spelling Nazi corrected me. I feel honored IRo seriously. Honestly I wasn't paying attention until Russell Wilson came because then I knew beyond a doubt we got lucky and got franchise quarterback.

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  • Josea16 wrote:The High Lord Spelling Nazi corrected me. I feel honored IRo seriously. Honestly I wasn't paying attention until Russell Wilson came because then I knew beyond a doubt we got lucky and got franchise quarterback.

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  • Bobblehead wrote:How soon can he leave?

    I am hoping Thursday?
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Josea16 wrote:The High Lord Spelling Nazi corrected me. I feel honored IRo seriously. Honestly I wasn't paying attention until Russell Wilson came because then I knew beyond a doubt we got lucky and got franchise quarterback.

    Rock or Anguish, can I get this set as my new forum moniker? .NET FCC Liaison has had its day. :lol:

    Man, I hope you get the change. I'm just telling the truth and respect the longtime posters.
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  • Josea16 wrote:
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    Josea16 wrote:One can only hope so that we can dump the ZBS crap and become a dominate OL immediately.


    Ahhh thats where your going to fail Young Josea Walker, Cable is a teacher of the system sure, but he is here solely becasue Pete wants this system, Pete has to be convinced to drop it or find a better coach to execute it.


    There are several versions of the ZBS. For whatever reason, Cable seems to have far more issues getting things to click than other teams looking over the years here. Of course much of that is product selection (player) so for damn sure that won't be missed.

    I didn't know that. Could you explain the different versions? And what Cable should be drafting because obviously it isn't working currently.


    This explains much of what you want to know.

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  • Seymour wrote:
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    Ahhh thats where your going to fail Young Josea Walker, Cable is a teacher of the system sure, but he is here solely becasue Pete wants this system, Pete has to be convinced to drop it or find a better coach to execute it.


    There are several versions of the ZBS. For whatever reason, Cable seems to have far more issues getting things to click than other teams looking over the years here. Of course much of that is product selection (player) so for damn sure that won't be missed.

    I didn't know that. Could you explain the different versions? And what Cable should be drafting because obviously it isn't working currently.


    This explains much of what you want to know.

    https://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/4/18/2954139/on-tom-cable-and-the-offensive-lines-identity

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  • Cable might be a lot better doing anything other than coaching an offensive line. He just doesn't get it for whatever reason.
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  • New York,

    He is really really good. I think you should hire him now. No time to waste.
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  • Seymour wrote:
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    Ahhh thats where your going to fail Young Josea Walker, Cable is a teacher of the system sure, but he is here solely becasue Pete wants this system, Pete has to be convinced to drop it or find a better coach to execute it.


    There are several versions of the ZBS. For whatever reason, Cable seems to have far more issues getting things to click than other teams looking over the years here. Of course much of that is product selection (player) so for damn sure that won't be missed.

    I didn't know that. Could you explain the different versions? And what Cable should be drafting because obviously it isn't working currently.


    This explains much of what you want to know.

    https://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/4/18/2954139/on-tom-cable-and-the-offensive-lines-identity



    And this is his downfall.

    1. Cable runs a true Zone Blocking Scheme - with an important distinction. He's not your Alex Gibbs guru - in fact, I classify Cable's system as an upgrade from the traditional Gibbs system. A typical ZBS scheme involves quickness, footwork and athleticism over size and strength, relying on constant double, maybe even triple teams on D-Lineman to create movement on the line of scrimmage. ZBS is also very simple, and instead of man blocking, players only block a "zone" of the play. It's effectiveness is almost well utilized; most of the NFL offenses, including the Packers, Broncos, and Texans involves a general ZBS despite the differences between their philosophy, game planning, etc.
    With Cable though, he utilizes the same thing with one unique trait: putting in big players, and already you can see the problems arise - after all, how does one fit behemoth players for a scheme initially designed for undersized, quick ones? The answer is the Cable does not simply look for big and tall players, but big and tall athletes.


    The smarter better athletes are now on defense and have the scheme figured out, cables system using bigger guys cannot get to a spot before the defender has moved to another. The defenders know the schemes now and protect themselves, the rules have changed as well, also this has been a QB killer scheme going back to Elway, he took a lot of hits under Gibbs, in Oakland Cables system was devastating to the QB's there, here in Seattle Hass was pretty good and barely survived, going to the Colts as a back up he showed that he was a good QB still, that's in Indy. Tuiasasopo had the most success in Oakland due to him being a lesser Wilson, the odds caught up to him and he had a serious injury eventually.
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  • I doubt he gets the job in honesty.

    The offensive line is finally getting some continuity and then the coach gets grabbed. Not entirely sure how I feel.

    If I had a gun to my head I'd say give him the job, as long as he doesn't try and snatch Bevell. That would be almost guaranteed disastrous, despite what many on here preach.
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  • I'm not sure how much Cable and Bevell are to blame for our misery, but I would like to find out. Obviously, it would not make a real difference if Carroll just looks for clones of them. But there is the tiny possibility that we would get a McVay. :D
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  • Not that I'm all that interested in keeping Cable...

    But those in this thread saying that Cable has drafted the wrong players for his system, could probably stand to pay a little closer attention to those players. Cable has drafted almost solely FOR athleticism. We've been talking about that for years. Look at Fant. All athleticism. No technique. Almost the same with Germain Ifedi - he was noted in his pre-draft scouting for raw athleticism. Very raw. Russell Okung, Justin Britt, Rees Odhiambo, Mark Glowinski, same deal - stood out for B+ athleticism. Garry Gilliam was so mobile that he was used as a blocking tight end. That's what you want in the ZBS. We haven't drafted any statues that I've been aware of.

    Cable's failures are better attributed to a variety of factors, such as:

    * The ZBS taking a while to learn (the curve is not as easy as advertised)
    * Honest busts
    * Too much emphasis on versatility
    * Too much youth
    * Wilson being the league's most difficult QB to block for
    * Pete's scheme requiring lots of protection waiting for long-developing routes (how good did this OL look against the Eagles when Wilson wasn't waiting four seconds every play?)
    * Bad RB's
    * Injury

    I think Cable has drafted and thrown too many career backups into starting positions in recent years (Odhiambo, Glowinski, Ifedi, Fant) to keep his job, personally. But this scheme mismatch business is kinda coming out of nowhere for this board.
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  • Can you imagine Eli Manning trying to survive behind a Tom Cable Offensive line?
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  • I listened to a radio interview on Tuesday with the Giants owner on New York radio and he very clearly said that they were looking to find a GM before they hired a coach and would only consider a coach first if the "perfect candidate came along." There was then a lengthy discussion about whether he was sorry he ever fired Coughlin and he said no as the Giants are now looking into the new fad of hiring a young coach. When asked about experience vs youth he was pretty clear in that the organization was leaning towards youth. So I don't buy Cable going to New York at all.
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  • NJlargent wrote:.... When asked about experience vs youth he was pretty clear in that the organization was leaning towards youth. So I don't buy Cable going to New York at all.


    I don't have high hopes. We went through this 3 years ago also. He still has to ace the interview which IMO is about a 1 in 100 chance of happening.
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  • Even the Giants organization isnt dumb enough to hire him.
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  • There is no way in hell the Giants are hiring Tom Cable.
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  • Trying not to get my hopes up but it would be nice to be finally rid of the dead weight.
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  • Hasselbeck wrote:There is no way in hell the Giants are hiring Tom Cable.

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  • Maybe Bevell will get a interview then if looking for youth and to fix a struggling offense, Cable could be his OC.......................... And Assistant Head Coach.
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  • The hot trend is going with young coaches. Tom Cable doesn't have a chance in hell to be the NYG head coach.

    NYG will either hire a big name head coach, or a young guy. Cable is neither.
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  • Just hours after the firing, Gruden was asked if he would be interested in the job and he didn't exactly shoot it down. The question came during the Steelers-Bengals game, when Gruden was in the booth with Sean McDonough for ESPN's Monday Night Football.

    "The big topic of conversation ... Would Coach Gruden consider coming to the New York Giants?" McDonough said. "Your name comes up for every job."

    Gruden then attempted to move the conversation forward by stiff-arming McDonough with a quick answer.
    "Don't believe half of that stuff you hear and read, Sean," Gruden said.

    However, McDonough wasn't about to stop the conversation there, so he decided to ask a follow-up question.
    "Our producer saw somewhere the odds of you going to the Giants are [35-to-1]," McDonough said. "Would you take the over or the under on [35-to-1]?"

    That's when Gruden said he might actually be interested in the job, but with one catch: The Giants would have to keep Eli Manning.

    "I'll take the under on that if Eli comes back," Gruden said.

    At 35-to-1 odds, it seems that even Gruden would bet on himself to take the Giants' job.
    The one interesting thing about Gruden is that he hasn't been so quick to shoot down the coaching rumors this year, which is a change from the past. For instance, in December 2016, Gruden was asked if he might return to the NFL and he was pretty clear with his answer, saying that he "had no intention of" returning to coaching.

    This time around, it seems like he's at least leaving the door slightly open.


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  • Josea16 wrote:
    jmahon316 wrote:https://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/12/6/16743230/seattle-seahawks-tom-cable-new-york-giants-bears-buccaneers-colts-assistant-coach

    Even got support from Russell Okung...Could this finally be the chance to see him gone from the Seahawks sideline?

    Please God make it so. Bevell I don't blame because he's following PC's dictates. Cable is responsible for an OL scheme rendered impossible because of the current blocking rules and CBA which is inexcusable.

    The rules are completely different and specifically target what made Denver's version of the ZBS ridiculously awesome plus the cap and CBA currently in place.



    As far as responsible for the OL scheme. Schneider has last word on drafting. Not cable
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  • I don't think the Giants are this dumb.
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  • Crizilla wrote:I don't think the Giants are this dumb.



    That stunt they pulled with Manning? I would say they are
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