We are the worst team in the NFC West going into next year.

Based on our record, we are the second best team in the NFC West behind the RAMS.
But, when looking closely, we are probably the worst team in the NFC West going into the off season.
The Rams trashed us at home.
The 49ers have won 5 straight games and beaten some pretty good competition (Jags, Rams, Titans, ...). They have lots of draft capital this offseason and will also have high draft picks.
The Cardinals just beat us in a must win game for us.
We will be releasing most of our top talent on defense and trade guys for draft picks and our offense looks like a high school offense.

It's been a while since we haven't been underdogs ...
I honestly expect us to tank next season, so that we can get draft picks to build for 2019/2020.

I disagree.

OK...doubt it, but...OK.

Tanking 2018.....absolutely not.

Worst team in the NFCW going into off-season....it is a toss up between us and AZ.

Think about it: If we had half the penalty yards we did this year, and a decent kicker, we'd probably be #2 seed right now. I think we're looking pretty good.

--homie

Disagree. The Cardinals are the worst. IMO it’s 49ers, Rams, Seahawks, and Cardinals. I think the 49ers are currently the best team in division right now. Shanny with Jimmy G is going to be nasty. So jealous.

HomerJHawk":7m6ikp3s said:

Think about it: If we had half the penalty yards we did this year, and a decent kicker, we'd probably be #2 seed right now. I think we're looking pretty good.

--homie

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And the Rams could say the samething. If Cooper Kupp doesn’t drop a give me TD against us in LA and don’t forget how to play against Washington week 2 they’re probably the #2 seed.

Strongly disagree but going to enjoy reading the forthcoming discussion.

Thanks for posting :2thumbs:

CArds are likely without a HC or QB for next season. Unless they hit on another Sean McVay they are in trouble.

SF and LA are in grea shape nd are definitely ahead of us

Hawks can compete but need to address kicking game (punter and place kicker) and need someone other than cale to get the Oline in order.

AZ beat us yesterday. How can that be a toss up?
Most of our best players will be released or traded. I don't expect Sherman, Earl, Kam back. Bobby should be traded.
Our coaching staff will be reshaped. And we don't have the semblance of a run game.

AF_BASS_MAN":2h877qb4 said:

Tanking 2018.....absolutely not.
Worst team in the NFCW going into off-season....it is a toss up between us and AZ.

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Who are we ahead of? and why?

Uncle Si":29aretzr said:

I disagree.

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joeseahawks":d7l5ut6r said:

Bobby should be traded

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Genuinely intrigued at the logic behind trading Bobby?

He said just a few days ago he wants to retire a Hawk.

Cards just beat us ... We have given away our draft picks for next season and we barely have cap space. We must release vets to create cap space and our previous draft picks are just not good enough to keep us competitive.

HawkerD":1ps0y9i0 said:

Cards are likely without a HC or QB for next season. Unless they hit on another Sean McVay they are in trouble.
SF and LA are in grea shape nd are definitely ahead of us
Hawks can compete but need to address kicking game (punter and place kicker) and need someone other than cale to get the Oline in order.

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When we let go of Richardson, Cliff, Bennet, Sherman, Kam ... (and possibly Earl) we will need competent players to fill those roles at a comparable level. We have already traded or draft picks. Bobby is the guy who can bring us the best draft pick in return ...

original poster":2im9no94 said:

joeseahawks":2im9no94 said:

Bobby should be traded

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Genuinely intrigued at the logic behind trading Bobby?
He said just a few days ago he wants to retire a Hawk.

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joeseahawks":2asyg4kc said:

Cards just beat us ... We have given away our draft picks for next season and we barely have cap space. We must release vets to create cap space and our previous draft picks are just not good enough to keep us competitive.

HawkerD":2asyg4kc said:

Cards are likely without a HC or QB for next season. Unless they hit on another Sean McVay they are in trouble.
SF and LA are in grea shape nd are definitely ahead of us
Hawks can compete but need to address kicking game (punter and place kicker) and need someone other than cale to get the Oline in order.

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We have the #18 pick which will most certainly turn into two picks in a draft class that has 4 first round graded QBs.

original poster":3dw5hwfd said:

joeseahawks":3dw5hwfd said:

Bobby should be traded

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Genuinely intrigued at the logic behind trading Bobby?

He said just a few days ago he wants to retire a Hawk.

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It has to be sarcasm. Even if we rebuild you don’t trade a young, best MLB in the NFL. He’s still a building block.

joeseahawks":2lgvy86l said:

When we let go of Richardson, Cliff, Bennet, Sherman, Kam ... (and possibly Earl) we will need competent players to fill those roles at a comparable level. We have already traded or draft picks. Bobby is the guy who can bring us the best draft pick in return ...

original poster":2lgvy86l said:

joeseahawks":2lgvy86l said:

Bobby should be traded

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Genuinely intrigued at the logic behind trading Bobby?
He said just a few days ago he wants to retire a Hawk.

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I’d say that belongs to Russell Wilson, in terms of draft value.

I’d bet my house that Bobby is not traded. I’d find it more likely to see Russ be traded than Wagner in honesty.

Although goes without saying, neither will happen.

"Genuinely intrigued at the logic behind trading Bobby?

He said just a few days ago he wants to retire a Hawk." [/quote]


I was thinking the same thing.

Bobby and K.J. are the core of our defense, why not build around him when other players leave?

He's been GREAT for us (despite that stupid penalty yesterday).

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joeseahawks":24x1qwdg said:

When we let go of Richardson, Cliff, Bennet, Sherman, Kam ... (and possibly Earl) we will need competent players to fill those roles at a comparable level. We have already traded or draft picks. Bobby is the guy who can bring us the best draft pick in return ...

original poster":24x1qwdg said:

joeseahawks":24x1qwdg said:

Bobby should be traded

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Genuinely intrigued at the logic behind trading Bobby?
He said just a few days ago he wants to retire a Hawk.

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I’d say that belongs to Russell Wilson, in terms of draft value.

I’d bet my house that Bobby is not traded. I’d find it more likely to see Russ be traded than Wagner in honesty.

Although goes without saying, neither will happen.

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Russ would not be traded before Wagner, that’s crazy. However, like you said, it’s a moot point as neither scenario would happen.

Steve2222":27y68lv4 said:

original poster":27y68lv4 said:

joeseahawks":27y68lv4 said:

When we let go of Richardson, Cliff, Bennet, Sherman, Kam ... (and possibly Earl) we will need competent players to fill those roles at a comparable level. We have already traded or draft picks. Bobby is the guy who can bring us the best draft pick in return ...

original poster":27y68lv4 said:

Genuinely intrigued at the logic behind trading Bobby?
He said just a few days ago he wants to retire a Hawk.

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I’d say that belongs to Russell Wilson, in terms of draft value.

I’d bet my house that Bobby is not traded. I’d find it more likely to see Russ be traded than Wagner in honesty.

Although goes without saying, neither will happen.

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Russ would not be traded before Wagner, that’s crazy. However, like you said, it’s a moot point as neither scenario would happen.

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I agree that the notion, on the surface, is ridiculous.

But based on draft capital and pete’s Philosophy that he only needs a game manager at QB firms my belief that he’d trade Russ before Bobby.

Not meaning to debate any further though as it’s totally ridiculous.