Does Caroll stay if Schneider and Allen force changes?

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He may be too young to retire, BUT, if he is forced to work with a large group of new coaches, could his loyalty to his current staff cause him to leave?


Pete may be starting over with a lot of new players AND new coaches. Does he have it in him to go that route?
 

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I don’t think for a second he will be forced to work with new coaches.

He will be the main one instigating the new hires.
 

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No he won't it's already been speculated that JS wants to go a different direction with OC. Pete says he's not leaving so therefore he'll have to work with what options they come to an agreement with. Pete doesn't care he'll work with anyone.
Need to redo the offense and allow RW to work to his strengths.
 
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Pete has a ton of power on this team, and I'm sure he would be a major say in coaching hires, but might Schneider and Allen force him to let Bevill and Cable go knowing he is too weak to do it on his own?

I remember Holmgren having his powers cut back following similar circumstances to this year.

At any rate, I'm sure those conversations are taking place today as there will be a flurry of activity in the NFL on coaching/staff changes the next few weeks.
 

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It only matters what Paul Allen wants and thinks. If Paul Allen thinks we need coaching staff changes and wants us to move in different directions you can bet your bottom dollar that will happen one way or another.
 

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NFSeahawks628":n26t7duw said:
No he won't it's already been speculated that JS wants to go a different direction with OC. Pete says he's not leaving so therefore he'll have to work with what options they come to an agreement with. Pete doesn't care he'll work with anyone.
Need to redo the offense and allow RW to work to his strengths.
Where has there been speculation Schneider wants to change OC.

In the power structure Carroll reigns supreme. Schneider answers to Carroll.

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brimsalabim":184nxzpc said:
It only matters what Paul Allen wants and thinks. If Paul Brown thinks we need coaching staff changes and wants us to move in different directions you can bet your bottom dollar that will happen one way or another.


Decades later and Paul Brown's influence is still being felt. :)
 

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I think the better question is whether Paul Allen SHOULD fire PC if he refuses to make changes to his assistant coaching staff.
 

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Ace_Rimmer":2i7zze4k said:
Only Paul Allen can force any changes because Pete has the final say over JS when it comes to football ops as per his original hiring.

Correctamundo.
 

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Subzero717":1rkxyupt said:
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In the power structure Carroll reigns supreme. Schneider answers to Carroll.

^^^ This. Pete runs the carnival. In no way does Schneider get to order or direct Pete to do anything. It's Pete's show, and that's why he came here in 2010. He has total control of the team. The owner is the only other person who can change how the Seahawks are being run.
 

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The Seahawks employ a lot of statistical evaluators, most likely due to Paul's background. Pete has talked about this before as it is a good way to pinpoint weaknesses. We are one of if not THE worst in the league in the first quarter. This is the easiest way to judge an OC's competency as this is when he has scripted his offensive strategy based on research on the opponent leading up to the game. Bevell has shown for years now he is horrible at this.

When they evaluate positional coaches this off-season, this will stick out like a sore thumb. How many games have we lost in 3 years by a touchdown or less? A LOT! A TD in the first quarter would have went a long way to winning many more games. An OC that is able to develop a first quarter scoring game plan will immediately make a huge improvement to our record with the same players we currently have.
 

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Subzero717":1dso0ew6 said:
NFSeahawks628":1dso0ew6 said:
No he won't it's already been speculated that JS wants to go a different direction with OC. Pete says he's not leaving so therefore he'll have to work with what options they come to an agreement with. Pete doesn't care he'll work with anyone.
Need to redo the offense and allow RW to work to his strengths.
Where has there been speculation Schneider wants to change OC.

In the power structure Carroll reigns supreme. Schneider answers to Carroll.

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Kudos, SubZero for using "reign" correctly ... way too many "reign ins" instead of "reins in" on this board ... to say nothing about "it's" instead of "its" when denoting possession.
 

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MO Hawk":1b4birpj said:
He may be too young to retire, BUT, if he is forced to work with a large group of new coaches, could his loyalty to his current staff cause him to leave?


Pete may be starting over with a lot of new players AND new coaches. Does he have it in him to go that route?

Pere has more power than Schneider. I do not know how much Allen gets involved but he has to have some frustration with the offensive line the last 3 years .
I think Cable is gone.
 

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johnnyfever":11g0qrnq said:
The Seahawks employ a lot of statistical evaluators, most likely due to Paul's background. Pete has talked about this before as it is a good way to pinpoint weaknesses. We are one of if not THE worst in the league in the first quarter. This is the easiest way to judge an OC's competency as this is when he has scripted his offensive strategy based on research on the opponent leading up to the game. Bevell has shown for years now he is horrible at this.

When they evaluate positional coaches this off-season, this will stick out like a sore thumb. How many games have we lost in 3 years by a touchdown or less? A LOT! A TD in the first quarter would have went a long way to winning many more games. An OC that is able to develop a first quarter scoring game plan will immediately make a huge improvement to our record with the same players we currently have.

This^

The whole you don’t win the game in the first three quarters is somewhat true, but what about getting out to an early lead so the other team has to become more one dimensional to get back in the game?
 

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Ace_Rimmer":1lcvr0qy said:
johnnyfever":1lcvr0qy said:
The Seahawks employ a lot of statistical evaluators, most likely due to Paul's background. Pete has talked about this before as it is a good way to pinpoint weaknesses. We are one of if not THE worst in the league in the first quarter. This is the easiest way to judge an OC's competency as this is when he has scripted his offensive strategy based on research on the opponent leading up to the game. Bevell has shown for years now he is horrible at this.

When they evaluate positional coaches this off-season, this will stick out like a sore thumb. How many games have we lost in 3 years by a touchdown or less? A LOT! A TD in the first quarter would have went a long way to winning many more games. An OC that is able to develop a first quarter scoring game plan will immediately make a huge improvement to our record with the same players we currently have.

This^

The whole you don’t win the game in the first three quarters is somewhat true, but what about getting out to an early lead so the other team has to become more one dimensional to get back in the game?

Problem is, while everything you both say could well be true, it has gone on for a darn sight longer than just the past year or two. Almost appears that Bevell is under orders to really dumb things down to start games. Good Lord, just random events would say a d-back slips, or trips and we score off a typical 8 yard gain type of play.
 

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From the looks of it Pete still wants to coach. And if Fable and Bevell are fired he will continue working with new coaches.
 

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Pete hired John Schneider, Pete's the boss and answers only to Allen.


Pete Carroll
Executive VP of Football Operations & Head Coach
Named head coach on January 11, 2010, Pete Carroll became the eighth head coach in Seahawks history after one of the most successful runs in USC history in the college ranks.


John Schneider
Executive Vice President/General Manager
John Schneider enters his eighth season as General Manager of the Seattle Seahawks, having been named to the position January 19, 2010. Schneider added the distinction of Executive Vice President in 2013. In his role, he manages all aspects of the Seahawks roster and draft process while working collaboratively with Pete Carroll in all facets of the football operations department.

Notice he got the co VP title in 2013 when he signed his new extension.
 

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chris98251":i8477vch said:
Pete hired John Schneider, Pete's the boss and answers only to Allen.


Pete Carroll
Executive VP of Football Operations & Head Coach
Named head coach on January 11, 2010, Pete Carroll became the eighth head coach in Seahawks history after one of the most successful runs in USC history in the college ranks.


John Schneider
Executive Vice President/General Manager
John Schneider enters his eighth season as General Manager of the Seattle Seahawks, having been named to the position January 19, 2010. Schneider added the distinction of Executive Vice President in 2013. In his role, he manages all aspects of the Seahawks roster and draft process while working collaboratively with Pete Carroll in all facets of the football operations department.

Notice he got the co VP title in 2013 when he signed his new extension.

They add the executive vp to Schiender to make it harder for him to go to another team. Schneider can only leave where PE under contract if the other team offers him a higher position
 

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Ace_Rimmer":jphrp8x3 said:
Only Paul Allen can force any changes because Pete has the final say over JS when it comes to football ops as per his original hiring.


This line of thinking could be dangerous as the Packets GM position that JS has alawys coveted and consistently maintained an out of here clause in each of his deals here to allow him to go after could get exercised and the era here would clearly be done. Pete needs to carefully consider his position.

Chopping Bevell may or may not happen, maybe he might go elsewhere on his own. I’d prefer that Cable was gone first I don’ t care where either. To me it seems that he certainly has failed to achieve most every objective he’s been charged with and worse still has wasted significant resources while failing. The OLine sucked when he took over, has continued to be consistently weak, and was worse than ever before this season. Cable is also in charge of the running game as the “Running Game Coordinator” he’s failed there and this season kept a genuine dud in Lacy and got rid of Anthony Collins who clearly succeeded significantly in another scheme, so did Tony Ware, who was also not good enough yet became a force to reckon with in KC. He was behind the release of Coach Sherman Smith who he was apparently unable to work with,. He seemingly has wrecked Rawls who’s confidence is shattered and although healthy again was unable to do anything this season and seems likely done here when he arrived with so much potential.

There’s a pattern here, the OLine clearly is not working despite a serious allocation of resources to trying to fix it over his tenure. It’s broken and has been for many seasons. He has picked OGs to play T and failed to recognize talent while seemingly failing to settle on a consistent group. He apparently doesn’t know how to fix it and it is the principal weakness of the O. His work as a supposed OLine guru has been an abject failure for the team.

The running game worked when the team had a generational RB in Lynch but hasn’t since he left. Even when Lynch was here the opposing D usually initiated contact with him in our backfield but the strength of Lynch and his inability to be tackled. Lynch often got pushed forward at times but he not the OLine was the reason for the success of the running game. Somehow Cable got reflected credit when true criticism was more appropriate and lots came from this site. Now the running game is so broken that opposing DCs don’t even key on stopping it b/c it is broken. He was given resources amply to fix it, but failed. Time to replace him, time to change direction, time for Cable to be gone. He has failed to achieve any material objectives.

Just because i’m focused upon Cable being moved out doesn’t mean I want to keep Bevelll, I think he struggles to use his talent well, and never used Graham to his maximum. He has become quite predictable and doesn’t adjust well or quickly when faced with adversity. He has blamed players when failure has happened and his post XLIX presser was disgraceful as he failed to shoulder any blame for ‘the call’ that galactically stupid call when Lynch had just gained 3 against their big DL and the team had 2 time outs to burn. That call should have got his dumb ass fired, everyone else wore blame but Bevell. Even then reluctantly iD give him a year i/c of the whole O w/o Cable to see if it was Cable that was holding him back. At least the OLine might have a shot of being partially competent.

Some major changes need to happen.
 
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