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  • Any place I go or read....


    It's rw is a god or rw is a bum.

    Rw is a top 5 QB who has plenty of strengths and a few glaring weaknesses.

    I'm not really getting into that but damn he is either loved like a god or despised by his fanbase. It seems only a few in between.

    I have family who doesn't care for him and blame him no matter what. I know ppl who will blame anyone but him.


    Did we have anyone on the hawks as a player lime this before?

    Or is social media the reason?
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  • In short, no.

    He's a fantastic QB that 95% of the league would snap your hands off for - but people will always blame the QB when the team fails and football idiots/WUMs/trolls are loud, repetitive and have too much time on their hands.
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  • Not sure I agree. I can’t think of a single poster on here who despises him?

    Plenty recognise his flaws and openly state them, outside of a few media guys who spin the RW sucks story to get clicks I can’t think of anyone who actively pursues the narrative that he’s not good.
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  • original poster wrote:Not sure I agree. I can’t think of a single poster on here who despises him?

    Plenty recognise his flaws and openly state them, outside of a few media guys who spin the RW sucks story to get clicks I can’t think of anyone who actively pursues the narrative that he’s not good.


    Some Whiner fans do. :49ersmall:
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  • hawknation2017 wrote:
    original poster wrote:Not sure I agree. I can’t think of a single poster on here who despises him?

    Plenty recognise his flaws and openly state them, outside of a few media guys who spin the RW sucks story to get clicks I can’t think of anyone who actively pursues the narrative that he’s not good.


    Some Whiner fans do. :49ersmall:


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  • There are a myriad of reasons for that. For example, I was just on another board where someone said “JimmyG is the best Qb in the division.” I wanted to laugh but realized this person was dead serious

    As much as it pains people to admit it, we’re susceptible to conventional wisdom. I look at JimmyG and he just LOOKS like a Qb. The height and everything. People don’t get that impression when they look at Russell, so Russ pretty much has to play at a high level consistently for people to give him a break..or credit

    That’s not to say Russell is not flawed. But at least 60% of the time I see criticism of him, it’s not rooted in a fair analysis of film, numbers, or comparisons to the mistakes other great Qbs make around the league. And so, I think this will always be the case. Psychologically Russell does not fit what many consider to be Qb-like. I don’t think it’s his accuracy or anything either because I see Carson Wentz get praise despite throwing high and having a low completion percentage. I have honestly never seen a Qb like Russell do as well yet get so nitpicked at for what he doesn’t do. It’s a shame
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  • Any QB that is not named Tom Brady is controversial cause he doesn't make talent like Edelman/Wes Walker look like Randy Moss.
    Any organization that is not the NE Patriots is controversial, cause they don't win enough SBs.
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  • Good lord, where do people get this crap?

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  • We used to have a league MVP running back who was hated by half the fan base. I think he was more polarizing.
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  • original poster wrote:Not sure I agree. I can’t think of a single poster on here who despises him?

    Plenty recognise his flaws and openly state them, outside of a few media guys who spin the RW sucks story to get clicks I can’t think of anyone who actively pursues the narrative that he’s not good.


    You mean like "too short to see over the line"? :roll:

    I also disagree. There are several posters here that openly despise him, and others that wait and take their shot at the right time to avoid the criticism.
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  • It probably seems that way more here at .net because there are a few "RW is a god that can do no wrong" types that turn appropriate criticism into 5 page threads in the name of defending their guy.

    RW is a great QB and we are so lucky to have him. But he also has flaws and plays poorly at times. It would be nice if we could discuss those without those few guys getting overly defensive, but perhaps that is asking too much :D

    Seattle seems to be a place where some fans are more likely to form emotional connections to pro athletes. I wonder if some take his media criticism to heart and wear the chip on their shoulder for him.
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  • The list of people who clearly despise him is very long.
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  • Beren wrote:In short, no.

    He's a fantastic QB that 95% of the league would snap your hands off for - but people will always blame the QB when the team fails and football idiots/WUMs/trolls are loud, repetitive and have too much time on their hands.


    I laughed when I saw the In short comment. No doubt it wasn't your intent based on your other comments but it made me smile.

    Russ is the best QB the Seahawks have ever had. For him to be polarizing, there would have to be some discussion about that and there really isn't. That said, he can always do better, but there are 5 offensive line guys around him that need to do better too and their performance is causing an impact on Russ because he just doesn't trust the line.
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  • Not to hijack the thread but for those arguing that it's not a Darrell Bevell problem and more a Russell Wilson problem, then why doesn't Bevell build around Russell's strengths i.e. shorter routes, more options, more creativity, instead of calling the same generic playcalling hoping it will work.
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  • I criticize Russ as much as possible because his personality annoys me.

    But he's a Top 3 QB to me.

    I'm irritated and amazed by him at the same time.
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  • I would say Shaun Alexander. He didn’t run as hard unless they were in the red one or playing in primetime. Once he got his extension & Mack Strong retired. It was crap to watch. Holmgren wouldn’t trust him for 3rd and long plays. It was 3rd and long, hand to Mack Strong on a draw play. :sarcasm_on: the good old days. :sarcasm_off: The Seahawks paid him after losing Hutch to the Vikings. Bad investment at the time.
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  • I think his personality is polarizing, but I think 95% of us agree he's a special QB that is responsible for a large part of the Hawk's success.
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  • inda2o6 wrote:I would say Shaun Alexander. He didn’t run as hard unless they were in the red one or playing in primetime. Once he got his extension & Mack Strong retired. It was crap to watch. Holmgren wouldn’t trust him for 3rd and long plays. It was 3rd and long, hand to Mack Strong on a draw play. :sarcasm_on: the good old days. :sarcasm_off: The Seahawks paid him after losing Hutch to the Vikings. Bad investment at the time.




    I thought about Alexander, but truthfully, by the end, there were very few hawk fans left supporting him after his stab in the back comment and his soft run out of bounds to avoid every possible hit style.

    Alexander probably had the biggest fall from grace ever (sans Arod), which is tough in ever loving, always forgiving Seattle.
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  • I don't think RW is even close to the most polarizing player. We had Hass flame wars as I recall.

    There are one or two who are quick to jump on when he doesn't play well, but the vast majority see him as a very good player who helped author the best years of the franchise.
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  • Shaun Alexander and Lofa Tatupu come to mind.

    Russell Wilson should be the least polarizing player ever. Battles through injuries like a warrior. Spends his off-time at a children's hospital cheering up sick kids. Leads the league in TDs. Finishes every game as strong as any QB in football history. Never complains.
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  • His lows are very low and his highs are very high. That being said if he had a good OL and gameplan he'd be a monster.
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  • Don't most fans evey where over react to quarterback performances?

    When things are good and the numbers impressive they are placed on lofty pedestals and showered with excessive credit. But, when things come apart and numbers disappoint, they are knocked off those pedestals with a shower of blame.
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  • Jville wrote:Don't most fans evey where over react to quarterback performances?

    When things are good and the numbers impressive they are placed on lofty pedestals and showered with excessive credit. But, when things come apart and numbers disappoint, they are knocked off those pedestals with a shower of blame.


    You could say this about owners, GM's, coaches and.............................wait for it..................offensive coordinators.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Jville wrote:Don't most fans evey where over react to quarterback performances?

    When things are good and the numbers impressive they are placed on lofty pedestals and showered with excessive credit. But, when things come apart and numbers disappoint, they are knocked off those pedestals with a shower of blame.


    You could say this about owners, GM's, coaches and.............................wait for it..................offensive coordinators.


    Yes you could. Lots of examples around the league of that going on today.
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  • Its just crazy.

    Ppl in my family think he is good but not top 10.

    Ppl I run into think same and got carried by lynch or defense.

    Then some think he is perfect and its everyone else.

    He is talked about a lot. I understand as he is a top QB but ppl arent usually in the middle.
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  • Russ is a future hall of famer. The end.
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    And God know's--There's a butt-load of those mental midgets out there. :lol:
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  • I think Dave Kreig. I could ask 100 seahawks fans while he was playing and I honestly believe that 50% say he sucks and 50% would say he was a very good QB.
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  • Russ is awesome. The thing with Russell Wilson is that he would be polarizing if he was the night janitor at a McDonald's. He's just that type of person.
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  • bevellisthedevil wrote:I think Dave Kreig. I could ask 100 seahawks fans while he was playing and I honestly believe that 50% say he sucks and 50% would say he was a very good QB.



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  • hgwellz12 wrote:Russ is awesome. The thing with Russell Wilson is that he would be polarizing if he was the night janitor at a McDonald's. He's just that type of person.


    Would they let him into the Childrens Hospital every Tuesday if he was the night janitor at Mcdonalds though?
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  • Russell doesn't come close to Boz, Stevens, Tate, Sherman, or Bennett in terms of controversy. The first two were already public pariahs when they arrived, and Tate went out for doughnuts the minute he hit town (rumor has it Lacy did, as well, but it didn't make the police report).
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  • Russ is about as far from polarizing as it gets for Hawks fans, unless by polarizing you are contrasting fans who love him with those who really like him.

    At the same time, he is human. It's not hate to point out areas in which he could improve, and it isn't the result of an agenda from people who secretly hate him but just pretend to like him. If you're trying to look at how a complicated machine like an NFL offense can succeed and fail it's important to be honest about how the various parts are functioning and where breakdowns occur in specific situations. Being overly sensitive about this discussion is the real insult to Russ, because it assumes that he has hit an early cap on his growth and cannot improve further.
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  • Said it before, but at the NFL level Wilson is the most high variance very good QB I've ever seen in my life, and it's not really close.

    All to say that because he's so, so, so high variance, those who really love him and think he's the most effective QB in the NFL are right some of the time, and those who are really frustrated by him and think he's just an average QB or worse are right some of the time too.
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  • I can't understand why any Seahawks fan, or football fan, wouldn't rate Wilson. He's an excellent QB but he's not perfect either and there's no point in dismissing those failings. I get all the frsutration about coaching but when you look at the numbers, his performance in the first half of games is poor and watching the footage, it's not just the playbook which is at fault, Wilson will miss simple throws far too often. They're too high, too low, in front or behind his target, so that does need sorting out because it did cost the team this season.

    Wilson isn't the finished article yet and personally, there's no QB I'd take over him. I love the fact he's the Seahawks QB and he's only going to get better if he can avoid injury. I'm sure he, Carroll and everyone else realises that he has things to work on though so hopefully his 4th quarter dominance is still there next season but he can perform better in the first 3 quarters of games.
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  • BoltonWanderer wrote:I can't understand why any Seahawks fan, or football fan, wouldn't rate Wilson. He's an excellent QB but he's not perfect either and there's no point in dismissing those failings. I get all the frsutration about coaching but when you look at the numbers, his performance in the first half of games is poor and watching the footage, it's not just the playbook which is at fault, Wilson will miss simple throws far too often. They're too high, too low, in front or behind his target, so that does need sorting out because it did cost the team this season.

    Wilson isn't the finished article yet and personally, there's no QB I'd take over him. I love the fact he's the Seahawks QB and he's only going to get better if he can avoid injury. I'm sure he, Carroll and everyone else realises that he has things to work on though so hopefully his 4th quarter dominance is still there next season but he can perform better in the first 3 quarters of games.



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  • bevellisthedevil wrote:I think Dave Kreig. I could ask 100 seahawks fans while he was playing and I honestly believe that 50% say he sucks and 50% would say he was a very good QB.


    That's because he was both those things, a wildly inconsistent QB.

    Krieg would throw for 300 with 4 TD's, then the next game throw 4 picks and look like he had no business being on a football field.

    I blame his tiny baby hands.
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  • Threedee wrote:Russell doesn't come close to Boz, Stevens, Tate, Sherman, or Bennett in terms of controversy. The first two were already public pariahs when they arrived, and Tate went out for doughnuts the minute he hit town (rumor has it Lacy did, as well, but it didn't make the police report).


    Who the hell liked Stevens?
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  • It's people and their expectations and hopes that are polarizing. RW is just a guy who happens to be a really good playmaker at QB in football, most of the time. It's the aforementioned people who need to follow someone, make him the second coming of whichever payer or messiah and get let down and/or the other end of the spectrum entirely.

    Football fans are an interesting breed. There's a lot of man worship and somehow entitlement at the same time. Also people who like to take their ball and go home when things don't work out like they want. There's gang mentality too. A lot of the time, sports fandom is really ugly and it's exacerbated by the fact that many never even played themselves and feel like they're experts or even think they're owed something for the simple reason of viewing it.

    There are things that players like Sherman, Baldwin, LeSean McCoy, etc. have said that make me laugh and pisses off the average fan, but I'll just leave it..
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  • I think part of it is the belief there is an Anti-RW faction.

    There was a faction that supported Lynch and a faction that supported RW. Not just fans, but players.

    However, few were anti-RW.

    I would point out my issues with him, that still exist, but it was more the understanding that moving to focus on winning with RW was going to destroy our system that worked, exhaust our defense and force us into a position that made us a worse offense with a less reliable defense.

    That happened.

    Lynch was hurt often but he played and he would have carried us to at least 1 more SB.

    So driving Lynch off to push Wilson into the spotlight as THE GUY, was going to have consequences. It did.

    Wilson is good, sometimes even great. But when Wilson was at his best, we squeaked into the playoffs because of a missed FG and were then shelled in the next game.

    Wilson at his best cannot currently carry this team by himself past the wildcard round.

    But sure enough, we traded Unger - brought in some shiny new weapons for Wilson, and promptly set records for futility on offense that had stood for decades before we broke them.

    It isn't that Wilson is bad or even not great, but our team was built to work with certain pieces doing certain things. Without a RB to exhaust the opposing defense and keep our defense fresh, we saw a series of cascading failures.

    Maybe in a different system with different coaches, Wilson could excel in the playoffs. But Aaron Rodgers is a stellar QB and isn't able to. Few QBs can do it alone. Wilson included.

    If you point this out, you are 'anti-Wilson'.
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  • He's certainly the most underappreciated by a large portion of the fan base.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    bevellisthedevil wrote:I think Dave Kreig. I could ask 100 seahawks fans while he was playing and I honestly believe that 50% say he sucks and 50% would say he was a very good QB.


    That's because he was both those things, a wildly inconsistent QB.

    Krieg would throw for 300 with 4 TD's, then the next game throw 4 picks and look like he had no business being on a football field.

    I blame his tiny baby hands.

    I remember differently..He would look like a HOF for 2- 3 games and absolutely suck for a game.
    Ask any fan back then "Do you like Krieg or Zorn"?I bet over 75% would have said Krieg.
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  • When he had a bad game we would call him KRAG. When he was on, man could he throw the ball. But when he was off, he was pretty bad. And fumbled more than anyone. He was a fun player to watch, and frustrating to say the least. But I liked Mudbone.
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