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  • I'm just curious why they waited a week+ to fire Bevell, Cable etc... and not have done it right away to have more of a field of candidates to choose from? Another head scratcher for me as I cant believe that they didn't know they were cleaning house right after the last game.
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  • Maybe they were trying to trade them but there were no takers...
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  • IDK.

    but I would guess some deliberation needed to take place, and possibly they wanted to let them explore other opportunities without having a dismissal on their record.

    Just my opinion, nothing concrete to base it on.
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  • IMO.....there were discussions between Pete, John and Paul Allen. Paul may not have been available initially.
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  • Pete is loyal to his coaches and wanted to give them a chance to catch on elsewhere. That way they could say "Darrell Bevell was being pursued by Team X and we wish him well in the future."

    As opposed to "Darrell Bevell FIRED!"

    Plus, Pete needs to get a line on replacements, which is probably why Kris Richard is still here. Gus Bradley signed with the Chargers, so that idea didn't work.

    And Pete probably also needed time to review the game tape to make absolutley sure what direction he wanted to go instead of just making a knee-jerk reaction. He must have seen something in the Defense to prompt him to look elsewhere for a DC too.

    I like the way it was handled, and it was all very professional with Pete treating his coaches (and their families) with respect.

    Remember how Jerry Jones did it when he bought the Cowboys? Unceremoniously dumped Tom Landry? The fans and football media were upset. Landry deserved better.

    Pete's not that kind of guy. He's loyal, to a fault.
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  • Could be Pete's staff was running stats, checks and watching film to be certain they matched gut feelings. Could also be that clock management is not one of Pete's strengths.

    I'm just glad it got done at this point.
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  • Bigpumpkin wrote:IMO.....there were discussions between Pete, John and Paul Allen. Paul may not have been available initially.


    This. Probably took Paul a week to get around to telling Pete to make it happen.
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  • This was a major decision which likely involved some consultation with the owner, an assessment of contractual guarantees, discussions with the respective coaches and even others, perhaps even all of the factors mentioned in previous posts. There can be little doubt it was a measured decision not lightly taken.

    It wasn't a Donald "you're fired" situation in the slightest. I think it was handled professionally w/o a lot of negativity too.
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  • ivotuk wrote:Pete is loyal to his coaches and wanted to give them a chance to catch on elsewhere. That way they could say "Darrell Bevell was being pursued by Team X and we wish him well in the future."

    As opposed to "Darrell Bevell FIRED!"

    Plus, Pete needs to get a line on replacements, which is probably why Kris Richard is still here. Gus Bradley signed with the Chargers, so that idea didn't work.

    And Pete probably also needed time to review the game tape to make absolutley sure what direction he wanted to go instead of just making a knee-jerk reaction. He must have seen something in the Defense to prompt him to look elsewhere for a DC too.

    I like the way it was handled, and it was all very professional with Pete treating his coaches (and their families) with respect.

    Remember how Jerry Jones did it when he bought the Cowboys? Unceremoniously dumped Tom Landry? The fans and football media were upset. Landry deserved better.

    Pete's not that kind of guy. He's loyal, to a fault.


    jammerhawk wrote:This was a major decision which likely involved some consultation with the owner, an assessment of contractual guarantees, discussions with the respective coaches and even others, perhaps even all of the factors mentioned in previous posts. There can be little doubt it was a measured decision not lightly taken.

    It wasn't a Donald "you're fired" situation in the slightest. I think it was handled professionally w/o a lot of negativity too.


    Awesome analysis by both. Key here is the firing of two/three key positions in the coaching staff was a huge move and was going to be a lot of variables involved than just letting someone go. So far it appears the FO has been very calculated and respectful to all whom these moves will affect. Now just have to see who is brought in.
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  • They went and did a season evaluation and broke it down, compared it to past seasons and had a trend identified, associated that trend to the responsible parties, probably had a year in review meeting and yes Paul may have been there, once the findings were reported were asked what needed to be done to correct the issue. We run this like a business and I am sure that it was not just the product on the field that was evaluated, Marketing and any other aspects Food etc.

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  • Denial...plain and simple
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  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    Bigpumpkin wrote:IMO.....there were discussions between Pete, John and Paul Allen. Paul may not have been available initially.


    This. Probably took Paul a week to get around to telling Pete to make it happen.


    Yup. And when PA says make it so - it gets done.
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  • Yeah as others have said they didn't need to rush into it, they wanted to make sure it was the right call.

    Just because all the fans were screaming for it doesn't necessarily make it so. Just about every teams fans are unhappy with the OC's and DC's.
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  • Because when you’re running an NFL franchise you don’t react off emotion or go on .Net rants. You evaluate the facts and you deliberate what’s the best decision going forward. You don’t simply cater to the mob and the media, who can run around with their pitchforks but have zero responsibility when it’s all said and done. You make cool and rational decisions so that you don’t become the Cleveland Browns :pukeface:
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  • AF_BASS_MAN wrote:Denial...plain and simple

    It is looking this way right now.

    I thought that they wanted to wait to make sure they had their replacements in place first, and that may still be the case, Have to give it through the weekend first.

    Right now though it looks like they are just being slow to react to the whole situation. After the Rams game the evals should of kickstarted into high gear, instead of after the season.

    It is called due diligence, you get your people on the case so if you don't make the playoffs you're ready for the situation.

    As an example Green Bay; they were ready. Hiring 2 failed HCs for OC & DC, and the best internal candidate for GM once they were denied JS. A+ Off-Season so far for the Pack.

    It looks like instead the Hawks chose to start this process until well after the fact sitting around for a week+ deliberating whether or not to fire these guys. Better late than never I guess.
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  • Fade wrote:
    AF_BASS_MAN wrote:Denial...plain and simple

    It is looking this way right now.

    I thought that they wanted to wait to make sure they had their replacements in place first, and that may still be the case, Have to give it through the weekend first.

    Right now though it looks like they are just being slow to react to the whole situation. After the Rams game the evals should of kickstarted into high gear, instead of after the season.

    It is called due diligence, you get your people on the case so if you don't make the playoffs you're ready for the situation.

    As an example Green Bay; they were ready. Hiring 2 failed HCs for OC & DC, and the best internal candidate for GM once they were denied JS. A+ Off-Season so far for the Pack.

    It looks like instead the Hawks chose to start this process until well after the fact sitting around for a week+ deliberating whether or not to fire these guys. Better late than never I guess.


    This is really what it seems like. Why do they need to spend a whole season to evaluate a downward trend everyone saw? It's already been a year or two late on finding new coaches, what's another couple weeks.
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  • I think partially it was to see if they'd get any head coach love. Firing your coordinator tends to dissuade another team from looking at them as HC.

    I also think the guys they wanted, they had to wait and see if they'd get a HC nod (*cough* DeFillippo *cough*) and when it became apparent they were not.. well here we are.
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  • A week? More like 3 years.
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  • Fade wrote:
    AF_BASS_MAN wrote:Denial...plain and simple

    As an example Green Bay; they were ready. Hiring 2 failed HCs for OC & DC, and the best internal candidate for GM once they were denied JS. A+ Off-Season so far for the Pack.


    For one, Joe Philbin will have very minimum input on their offense. That's still McCarthy's show, don't get it twisted.

    Another.. no one in their right mind was hiring Dom Capers to be a HC. Replacing him with Mike Pettine is a modest improvement, but its not like they just landed Dan Quinn :lol:
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  • pmedic920 wrote:
    but I would guess some deliberation needed to take place, and possibly they wanted to let them explore other opportunities without having a dismissal on their record..


    This.

    Most times, especially with a HC and GM like Carroll and Schneider, they allow their coaches and assistants to try and find other jobs first.................so they don't have the stink of death that comes with being fired.
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  • I don't think Pete wanted to make wholesale changes until the JS situation came up. JS must has asked for more autonomy and changes to the structure for him to continue here or he would go over to GB. That must have made Pete realize a good GM is more critical to the organization rather than coaches that can be replaced. This is purely my speculation, but the sequence of events as it played out made me feel that way.
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  • I agree that this happened after John S. was blocked from the Green Bay job. I think there was division between John and Pete on changing the coaching staff and John pushed the Ante up when the Green Bay job opened up. I trust in John more than Pete when it comes to personnel decisions. Pete is a great coach, but I never liked putting him in charge of everything. I bet Pete is also responsible for the wasted draft pick of Malik McDowell.
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  • chris98251 wrote:They went and did a season evaluation and broke it down, compared it to past seasons and had a trend identified, associated that trend to the responsible parties, probably had a year in review meeting and yes Paul may have been there, once the findings were reported were asked what needed to be done to correct the issue. We run this like a business and I am sure that it was not just the product on the field that was evaluated, Marketing and any other aspects Food etc.

    This all takes time to assemble.

    What High Tech people do. Crunch numbers, identify trends find reasons why they were successful or not and why.


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  • seabowl wrote:I'm just curious why they waited a week+ to fire Bevell, Cable etc... and not have done it right away to have more of a field of candidates to choose from? Another head scratcher for me as I cant believe that they didn't know they were cleaning house right after the last game.


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  • seahawks08 wrote:I don't think Pete wanted to make wholesale changes until the JS situation came up. JS must has asked for more autonomy and changes to the structure for him to continue here or he would go over to GB. That must have made Pete realize a good GM is more critical to the organization rather than coaches that can be replaced. This is purely my speculation, but the sequence of events as it played out made me feel that way.



    This is my thought also.

    JS: Pete we need to let go of Cable and Bev
    PC: No bro, were good, things are headed the right way.
    JS: Green Bay wants to fly me out for an interview
    PC: Who do you want gone?
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  • Barthawk wrote:
    seabowl wrote:I'm just curious why they waited a week+ to fire Bevell, Cable etc... and not have done it right away to have more of a field of candidates to choose from? Another head scratcher for me as I cant believe that they didn't know they were cleaning house right after the last game.


    To piss off you and the other armchair GMs around the US.


    Yeah this is the same armchair GM that has been calling for Bevells and to a lesser extent Cables release for two years+. Look no matter what anyone says we all (teams, coaches and fans) watch the SAME games and have an opinion on what we see. I hated for the most part the play calling and OL scheme/plan and have bee very vocal about it. As I said in another thread sometimes the fans from a higher view see as much if not more.

    In this case I just don't understand why they waited for over a week when it IMO should have been clear right after the
    last game that they were letting these guys go. You've had years of tape so why wait and cost yourselves possible candidates to fill their roles?
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  • seabowl wrote:
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    seabowl wrote:I'm just curious why they waited a week+ to fire Bevell, Cable etc... and not have done it right away to have more of a field of candidates to choose from? Another head scratcher for me as I cant believe that they didn't know they were cleaning house right after the last game.


    To piss off you and the other armchair GMs around the US.


    Yeah this is the same armchair GM that has been calling for Bevells and to a lesser extent Cables release for two years+. Look no matter what anyone says we all (teams, coaches and fans) watch the SAME games and have an opinion on what we see. I hated for the most part the play calling and OL scheme/plan and have bee very vocal about it. As I said in another thread sometimes the fans from a higher view see as much if not more.

    In this case I just don't understand why they waited for over a week when it IMO should have been clear right after the
    last game that they were letting these guys go. You've had years of tape so why wait and cost yourselves possible candidates to fill their roles?


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  • Hawk_Nation wrote:
    seahawks08 wrote:I don't think Pete wanted to make wholesale changes until the JS situation came up. JS must has asked for more autonomy and changes to the structure for him to continue here or he would go over to GB. That must have made Pete realize a good GM is more critical to the organization rather than coaches that can be replaced. This is purely my speculation, but the sequence of events as it played out made me feel that way.



    This is my thought also.

    JS: Pete we need to let go of Cable and Bev
    PC: No bro, were good, things are headed the right way.
    JS: Green Bay wants to fly me out for an interview
    PC: Who do you want gone?


    That sounds about right! :overhead_clap:
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  • Hawk_Nation wrote:
    seahawks08 wrote:I don't think Pete wanted to make wholesale changes until the JS situation came up. JS must has asked for more autonomy and changes to the structure for him to continue here or he would go over to GB. That must have made Pete realize a good GM is more critical to the organization rather than coaches that can be replaced. This is purely my speculation, but the sequence of events as it played out made me feel that way.



    This is my thought also.

    JS: Pete we need to let go of Cable and Bev
    PC: No bro, were good, things are headed the right way.
    JS: Green Bay wants to fly me out for an interview
    PC: Who do you want gone?


    Could well have had a lot to do with it, I think, but, and I may be in the minority here... I don't think it was all that slow. A week isn't a long time to spend hammering out important details like who's gonna run your franchise.
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