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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:38 am
  • The_Z_Man wrote:I just think we hired the exact same guy we fired.

    I've said my piece on it.

    Now we'll wait to see how it pans out, but let me just say that I'll be happy as hell to lose this argument.


    Being wrong in this instance would be fabulous.


    No we didn't. The guy we fired required Cable to be here and involved as run game coordinator. That dysfunctional disconnect is now gone. If nothing else we traded a 2 headed monster for a single headed monster.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:45 am
  • Anajimmc wrote:
    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:I've said it in another thread and I'll say something similar here.


    Pete Carroll was an abject failure as an NFL coach and lamented by many when he came back from the college level. Let's see what he can do with Schotty. Maybe he'll mesh well and buy into Pete's philosophies and take this team to the next level. He certainly has the talent on the field to make it happen. I'm curious to see who he picks up as an O-Line coach. I hear Les Miles is unemployed :2thumbs:

    I grew up in So Cal, and have been a die hard Trojan fan my entire life. The 90's were not good to USC, talking heads were eulogizing the once great program that was the national football power USC. At the end of the Hackett era SC was looking for a coach that could bring Troy back to national prominence. Enter Pete Carroll, the hire was roundly hated, this coach was a failure, based on his past there was no way that there would be a future of anything but continued mediocracy. Good lord was everybody wrong, SC came back with a fury, and have been in the national conversation ever since. Thank goodness prescience is not a strong point of the average football fan, people can talk all the shit they want, but that's all it is. Based on my past experience, I choose to trust Pete.


    The difference is that in 2001, Pete hired Norm Chow, one of the brightest minds in the college game to be his OC. Back then, all of the pieces were in place for the Trojans, he had Chow running the O and Pete was running the D. Pete had proven he was a brilliant DC, and he took on that role with USC. Brian S. has yet demonstrate any brilliance as an OC.

    This is a huge roll-of-the-dice. If you're from USC, you know we used to call him Big Balls Pete because he would take some very large risks. Some worked out well, but others were very big whiffs. In this instance, Pete's job is on the line with Brian S, and I don't know that I'd bet my career on this hire.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:48 am
  • Tusc2000 wrote:
    Anajimmc wrote:
    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:I've said it in another thread and I'll say something similar here.


    Pete Carroll was an abject failure as an NFL coach and lamented by many when he came back from the college level. Let's see what he can do with Schotty. Maybe he'll mesh well and buy into Pete's philosophies and take this team to the next level. He certainly has the talent on the field to make it happen. I'm curious to see who he picks up as an O-Line coach. I hear Les Miles is unemployed :2thumbs:

    I grew up in So Cal, and have been a die hard Trojan fan my entire life. The 90's were not good to USC, talking heads were eulogizing the once great program that was the national football power USC. At the end of the Hackett era SC was looking for a coach that could bring Troy back to national prominence. Enter Pete Carroll, the hire was roundly hated, this coach was a failure, based on his past there was no way that there would be a future of anything but continued mediocracy. Good lord was everybody wrong, SC came back with a fury, and have been in the national conversation ever since. Thank goodness prescience is not a strong point of the average football fan, people can talk all the shit they want, but that's all it is. Based on my past experience, I choose to trust Pete.


    The difference is that in 2001, Pete hired Norm Chow, one of the brightest minds in the college game to be his OC. Back then, all of the pieces were in place for the Trojans, he had Chow running the O and Pete was running the D. Pete had proven he was a brilliant DC, and he took on that role with USC. Brian S. has yet demonstrate any brilliance as an OC.

    This is a huge roll-of-the-dice. If you're from USC, you know we used to call him Big Balls Pete because he would take some very large risks. Some worked out well, but others were very big whiffs. In this instance, Pete's job is on the line with Brian S, and I don't know that I'd bet my career on this hire.


    There are ZERO rules to keep the Seahawks from hiring an offensive genius as a consultant to get Schotty to the next level either. Tony Dungy anyone? Already has ties to the PNW.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:00 am
  • "Pete hired Norm Chow, one of the brightest minds in the college game to be his OC. "
    Wasn't Chow fired at U Hawaii after failing as HC?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:11 am
  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:There are ZERO rules to keep the Seahawks from hiring an offensive genius as a consultant to get Schotty to the next level either. Tony Dungy anyone? Already has ties to the PNW.


    Except that is pretty much a cold slap in the face to the level of confidence you have in your new OC.

    Pete doesn't want innovation on offense IMO. He has shown that by keeping Cable who was league worst in pass pro. Pete places so much emphasis on the running game, he is blinded to many other things going on. That is why I call BS a puppet, and he already knows Pete's moves. I've stated that several times, that was Pete's cheesy offense as much as Bevell's. Yes Bevell was poor as a play caller, but now our only hope is an oline that can allow the offense to at least function.

    I'm willing to see how it plays out. But if I had to guess, it would be we will be back here a year from now having the same discussion about Pete's time has come.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:46 am
  • Rex Ryan was just on Brock and Salk this morning to talk about Schottenheimer, he was Rex's OC in NY..............and the one thing that stuck out about what Rex said about him was he's "loyal."

    So that makes perfect sense, Pete went from one yes man to another, an OC that won't question or challenge Pete on how to run his offense.

    I'll give Brian a chance, cause I need to see how the offense looks before taking a dump on it. But my first impression of this hire is meh, a retread coordinator that Pete hired because he's a yes man that'll run things how Pete wants things run............and not someone with any innovation.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:54 am
  • TreeRon wrote:"Pete hired Norm Chow, one of the brightest minds in the college game to be his OC. "
    Wasn't Chow fired at U Hawaii after failing as HC?


    Yes. The Peter Principle at work here. Chow was an excellent college OC, but performed poorly as an HC. Some guys are just better at being assistants than at running the whole show.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:00 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:Rex Ryan was just on Brock and Salk this morning to talk about Schottenheimer, he was Rex's OC in NY..............and the one thing that stuck out about what Rex said about him was he's "loyal."

    So that makes perfect sense, Pete went from one yes man to another, an OC that won't question or challenge Pete on how to run his offense.

    I'll give Brian a chance, cause I need to see how the offense looks before taking a dump on it. But my first impression of this hire is meh, a retread coordinator that Pete hired because he's a yes man that'll run things how Pete wants things run............and not someone with any innovation.


    You pretty much nailed my thoughts. I wasn't excited initially, I'm still not all that excited but I'm hopeful the offense will have a little more stability, consistency, run better and along with a well coached offensive line we should see some improvement, maybe even drastically. I'm willing to give it a chance and I can see an avenue where that does take place.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:18 am
  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    Tusc2000 wrote:
    Anajimmc wrote:
    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:I've said it in another thread and I'll say something similar here.


    Pete Carroll was an abject failure as an NFL coach and lamented by many when he came back from the college level. Let's see what he can do with Schotty. Maybe he'll mesh well and buy into Pete's philosophies and take this team to the next level. He certainly has the talent on the field to make it happen. I'm curious to see who he picks up as an O-Line coach. I hear Les Miles is unemployed :2thumbs:

    I grew up in So Cal, and have been a die hard Trojan fan my entire life. The 90's were not good to USC, talking heads were eulogizing the once great program that was the national football power USC. At the end of the Hackett era SC was looking for a coach that could bring Troy back to national prominence. Enter Pete Carroll, the hire was roundly hated, this coach was a failure, based on his past there was no way that there would be a future of anything but continued mediocracy. Good lord was everybody wrong, SC came back with a fury, and have been in the national conversation ever since. Thank goodness prescience is not a strong point of the average football fan, people can talk all the shit they want, but that's all it is. Based on my past experience, I choose to trust Pete.


    The difference is that in 2001, Pete hired Norm Chow, one of the brightest minds in the college game to be his OC. Back then, all of the pieces were in place for the Trojans, he had Chow running the O and Pete was running the D. Pete had proven he was a brilliant DC, and he took on that role with USC. Brian S. has yet demonstrate any brilliance as an OC.

    This is a huge roll-of-the-dice. If you're from USC, you know we used to call him Big Balls Pete because he would take some very large risks. Some worked out well, but others were very big whiffs. In this instance, Pete's job is on the line with Brian S, and I don't know that I'd bet my career on this hire.


    There are ZERO rules to keep the Seahawks from hiring an offensive genius as a consultant to get Schotty to the next level either. Tony Dungy anyone? Already has ties to the PNW.

    Pete also had Sarkiffen, so what? For everybody out there who is sure how this is going to turn out please give next weeks lottery numbers....Nevermind will have as much chance of being right as your football predictions.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:21 am
  • Tusc2000 wrote:
    TreeRon wrote:"Pete hired Norm Chow, one of the brightest minds in the college game to be his OC. "
    Wasn't Chow fired at U Hawaii after failing as HC?


    Yes. The Peter Principle at work here. Chow was an excellent college OC, but performed poorly as an HC. Some guys are just better at being assistants than at running the whole show.

    Yet he followed up his stint at USC with UCLA and failed miserably, maybe the system & personnel and competition have something to do with success.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:27 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:Rex Ryan was just on Brock and Salk this morning to talk about Schottenheimer, he was Rex's OC in NY..............and the one thing that stuck out about what Rex said about him was he's "loyal."

    So that makes perfect sense, Pete went from one yes man to another, an OC that won't question or challenge Pete on how to run his offense.

    I'll give Brian a chance, cause I need to see how the offense looks before taking a dump on it. But my first impression of this hire is meh, a retread coordinator that Pete hired because he's a yes man that'll run things how Pete wants things run............and not someone with any innovation.


    Yep. ;)

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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:36 am
  • Dungy??????? Offensive genius??????????????
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    Dungy is a defensive coach, come on man.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:42 am
  • This hire does not make me excited. But if I find myself slipping away from keeping an open mind and giving it a shot I'll find footage of the first half of our games this year.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:42 am
  • Fade wrote:Dungy??????? Offensive genius??????????????
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    I jest man. No different than picking up basketball players to play Tackle
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:49 am
  • I’m holding out hope that he’s just going to be the QB coach and that an innovative OC candidate is still being pursued?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:51 am
  • austinslater25 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:Rex Ryan was just on Brock and Salk this morning to talk about Schottenheimer, he was Rex's OC in NY..............and the one thing that stuck out about what Rex said about him was he's "loyal."

    So that makes perfect sense, Pete went from one yes man to another, an OC that won't question or challenge Pete on how to run his offense.

    I'll give Brian a chance, cause I need to see how the offense looks before taking a dump on it. But my first impression of this hire is meh, a retread coordinator that Pete hired because he's a yes man that'll run things how Pete wants things run............and not someone with any innovation.


    You pretty much nailed my thoughts. I wasn't excited initially, I'm still not all that excited but I'm hopeful the offense will have a little more stability, consistency, run better and along with a well coached offensive line we should see some improvement, maybe even drastically. I'm willing to give it a chance and I can see an avenue where that does take place.


    If I'm trying to analyze this glass half full............Schottenheimer is coming from Georgia in 2015 where he did install a NASTY run game for Kirby Smart.

    So if paired with the right line coach, I could see him making a positive impact on getting our run game back on track. Which was I imagine a big reason Pete likes him.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:53 am
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:59 am
  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:Mike Mularkey just became available.


    Seems like a guy who's going to take a year off, or wait for a HC job. Not sure how he'd fit in here.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:04 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    TheLegendOfBoom wrote:Mike Mularkey just became available.


    Seems like a guy who's going to take a year off, or wait for a HC job. Not sure how he'd fit in here.


    To quote Band of Brothers, "Isn't Mularkey slang for B.S."
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:04 am
  • Seymour wrote:Except that is pretty much a cold slap in the face to the level of confidence you have in your new OC.

    Pete doesn't want innovation on offense IMO. He has shown that by keeping Cable who was league worst in pass pro. Pete places so much emphasis on the running game, he is blinded to many other things going on. That is why I call BS a puppet, and he already knows Pete's moves. I've stated that several times, that was Pete's cheesy offense as much as Bevell's. Yes Bevell was poor as a play caller, but now our only hope is an oline that can allow the offense to at least function.

    I'm willing to see how it plays out. But if I had to guess, it would be we will be back here a year from now having the same discussion about Pete's time has come.


    Sadly I think your spot on Seymour. In my moments of celebration with the firing of Bevell, I didnt care who we brought in as it almost had to be an improvement. Now that i've had time to reflect on the new hiring, I dont feel the results are going to be much different next season.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:09 am
  • We all know Pete really wants a strong running game, so in the grand scheme of things, he does make sense as an OC. He's remained committed to the running game everywhere he's been and as Sgt pointed out above, he helped install a really impressive running game at Georgia. I think the passing game will remain above average with Russell no matter what, the key to what Pete wants is a running game that can work. I just worry he's too much of a yes man and we will continue to see a passing offense that consists of long developing passing plays even if there's zero rhythm.

    Saw a quote on twitter by Rex Ryan about how he wanted to run the ball 40+ times and while the team was down 20-3, he asked Brian why they were still running and he said 'because you said you wanted to run it 40 times'. That's where I kind of wish Pete went with a guy who will take command of the offense. We will see though, the optimist in me saw Andrew Luck put out his best season with a bum shoulder under him.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:17 am
  • WalterFootball not only managed to grade the 2012 Seahawks draft as the worst draft of all time, but constantly assigns terrible grades. His three worst grades of 2016 went to the Patriots, Rams, and Falcons, who all look to have nailed those drafts with two years of hindsight. He even re-graded the Rams draft last off-season with one of his "special funny" F Kielbasa grades. At this point I'm not even sure if he is just really awful at his job or actively amazing at being wrong.

    lobohawk wrote:No firm opinion on BS yet.

    What?! He's been rumored to the Hawks for three days now.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:21 am
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    Seymour wrote:Except that is pretty much a cold slap in the face to the level of confidence you have in your new OC.

    Pete doesn't want innovation on offense IMO. He has shown that by keeping Cable who was league worst in pass pro. Pete places so much emphasis on the running game, he is blinded to many other things going on. That is why I call BS a puppet, and he already knows Pete's moves. I've stated that several times, that was Pete's cheesy offense as much as Bevell's. Yes Bevell was poor as a play caller, but now our only hope is an oline that can allow the offense to at least function.

    I'm willing to see how it plays out. But if I had to guess, it would be we will be back here a year from now having the same discussion about Pete's time has come.


    Sadly I think your spot on Seymour. In my moments of celebration with the firing of Bevell, I didnt care who we brought in as it almost had to be an improvement. Now that i've had time to reflect on the new hiring, I dont feel the results are going to be much different next season.


    Which isn't horrible, because we went 9-7 with no run game and no kicker.

    Although Schotty's history is as a zone guy (trying to find where I read that), if he can quickly install a strong run game, a lot of things are going to take care of themselves, like Sgt. said. I think that's the biggest thing for us to hang our hats on right now.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:28 am
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    Although Schotty's history is as a zone guy (trying to find where I read that), if he can quickly install a strong run game, a lot of things are going to take care of themselves, like Sgt. said. I think that's the biggest thing for us to hang our hats on right now.


    Right, a big factor in all this that we're really not talking about yet is chemistry between Pete, Brian and whoever the O-line coach will be.

    So it's more than just looking at this in the vacuum of wanting some sexy innovative wunderkind, or O-Coordinator that might clash with Pete and not get the best out of Russell.

    I think we found out this year that Russell throwing it 40 times a game getting hammered and running for his life might not be the best way to go. So maybe circling the wagons on the run game and getting Schottenheimer in here to help fix that might not be such a bad thing.

    Again, NOT very excited about this hire right now. But if Brian can help fix the run game and get us back to pounding the rock successfully opening up Russell's awesome play action explosive plays game? I'm down for that.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:33 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    Although Schotty's history is as a zone guy (trying to find where I read that), if he can quickly install a strong run game, a lot of things are going to take care of themselves, like Sgt. said. I think that's the biggest thing for us to hang our hats on right now.


    Right, a big factor in all this that we're really not talking about yet is chemistry between Pete, Brian and whoever the O-line coach will be.

    So it's more than just looking at this in the vacuum of wanting some sexy innovative wunderkind, or O-Coordinator that might clash with Pete and not get the best out of Russell.

    I think we found out this year that Russell throwing it 40 times a game getting hammered and running for his life might not be the best way to go. So maybe circling the wagons on the run game and getting Schottenheimer in here to help fix that might not be such a bad thing.

    Again, NOT very excited about this hire right now. But if Brian can help fix the run game and get us back to pounding the rock successfully opening up Russell's awesome play action explosive plays game? I'm down for that.

    Hawks would still be playing with a league average O-Line.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:34 am
  • Anajimmc wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    Although Schotty's history is as a zone guy (trying to find where I read that), if he can quickly install a strong run game, a lot of things are going to take care of themselves, like Sgt. said. I think that's the biggest thing for us to hang our hats on right now.


    Right, a big factor in all this that we're really not talking about yet is chemistry between Pete, Brian and whoever the O-line coach will be.

    So it's more than just looking at this in the vacuum of wanting some sexy innovative wunderkind, or O-Coordinator that might clash with Pete and not get the best out of Russell.

    I think we found out this year that Russell throwing it 40 times a game getting hammered and running for his life might not be the best way to go. So maybe circling the wagons on the run game and getting Schottenheimer in here to help fix that might not be such a bad thing.

    Again, NOT very excited about this hire right now. But if Brian can help fix the run game and get us back to pounding the rock successfully opening up Russell's awesome play action explosive plays game? I'm down for that.

    Hawks would still be playing with a league average O-Line.


    I would settle for average over what we saw this season.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:39 am
  • Anajimmc wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    Although Schotty's history is as a zone guy (trying to find where I read that), if he can quickly install a strong run game, a lot of things are going to take care of themselves, like Sgt. said. I think that's the biggest thing for us to hang our hats on right now.


    Right, a big factor in all this that we're really not talking about yet is chemistry between Pete, Brian and whoever the O-line coach will be.

    So it's more than just looking at this in the vacuum of wanting some sexy innovative wunderkind, or O-Coordinator that might clash with Pete and not get the best out of Russell.

    I think we found out this year that Russell throwing it 40 times a game getting hammered and running for his life might not be the best way to go. So maybe circling the wagons on the run game and getting Schottenheimer in here to help fix that might not be such a bad thing.

    Again, NOT very excited about this hire right now. But if Brian can help fix the run game and get us back to pounding the rock successfully opening up Russell's awesome play action explosive plays game? I'm down for that.

    Hawks would still be playing with a league average O-Line.


    Of course the line and RB situation still needs to be addressed. But at least now you don't have a stubborn line coach regressing his linemen under an antiquated ZBS in a league that now penalizes backdoor crackback blocks.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 am
  • Anajimmc wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    Although Schotty's history is as a zone guy (trying to find where I read that), if he can quickly install a strong run game, a lot of things are going to take care of themselves, like Sgt. said. I think that's the biggest thing for us to hang our hats on right now.


    Right, a big factor in all this that we're really not talking about yet is chemistry between Pete, Brian and whoever the O-line coach will be.

    So it's more than just looking at this in the vacuum of wanting some sexy innovative wunderkind, or O-Coordinator that might clash with Pete and not get the best out of Russell.

    I think we found out this year that Russell throwing it 40 times a game getting hammered and running for his life might not be the best way to go. So maybe circling the wagons on the run game and getting Schottenheimer in here to help fix that might not be such a bad thing.

    Again, NOT very excited about this hire right now. But if Brian can help fix the run game and get us back to pounding the rock successfully opening up Russell's awesome play action explosive plays game? I'm down for that.

    Hawks would still be playing with a league average O-Line.


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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:20 am
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    Anajimmc wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    Although Schotty's history is as a zone guy (trying to find where I read that), if he can quickly install a strong run game, a lot of things are going to take care of themselves, like Sgt. said. I think that's the biggest thing for us to hang our hats on right now.


    Right, a big factor in all this that we're really not talking about yet is chemistry between Pete, Brian and whoever the O-line coach will be.

    So it's more than just looking at this in the vacuum of wanting some sexy innovative wunderkind, or O-Coordinator that might clash with Pete and not get the best out of Russell.

    I think we found out this year that Russell throwing it 40 times a game getting hammered and running for his life might not be the best way to go. So maybe circling the wagons on the run game and getting Schottenheimer in here to help fix that might not be such a bad thing.

    Again, NOT very excited about this hire right now. But if Brian can help fix the run game and get us back to pounding the rock successfully opening up Russell's awesome play action explosive plays game? I'm down for that.

    Hawks would still be playing with a league average O-Line.


    Like 2013?

    EXACTLY!!! and I'd be having another awesome winter.
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:21 pm
  • He loves utilizing the running backs out of the backfield which I think once Russ gets comfortable with will help him and the offense a ton. We see it with Brady, Rogers, Brees etc. its something that's a part of all of their games. A guy like Prosise if he can stay healthy(I know) would be a huge weapon in his offense.
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:36 pm
  • Was a bit neutral when this news first broke out, but as time has passed I am getting less optimistic about this hire. Got to give him a chance of course; not really much choice there. Going to keep my expectations simple and hope he works hard and gets the offense to execute. Like to see cleaner football next year.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:40 pm
  • In many respects, the Seahawks’ Pete Carroll is one of the league’s most forward-thinking coaches.

    He doesn’t coach through anger or intimidation. He’s open to new approaches and ideas in everything from motivation to nutrition and sports science, and he’s willing to take risks and chances when it comes to managing a football game.

    But he’s pretty old-fashioned when it comes to the template and style he wants his team to play. His defenses are not blitz-happy. His offense needs to be based on the run game, and not just any kind of run game – a physical run game. He wants to be the hammer when his team has the ball.

    So maybe it shouldn’t surprise anyone that his hire as Seahawks offensive coordinator isn’t exactly considered New Age. That’s first among the list of things we learned this weekend:

    Stuff we learned

    1. Pete Carroll made the least exciting hire possible at offensive coordinator.

    Brian Schottenheimer comes from a football lineage known for relatively antiquated ideas about offense. His father was Marty, a long-time NFL head coach whose idea of an innovative offense was play-action pass. Brian’s most success as an offensive coordinator came with the Jets, who made back-to-back AFC Championship Game appearances with an offense that preferred to hand the ball off to running backs, or in lieu of that throw passes to the running backs. The fact that ProFootballTalk had posted a “maybe-could thumbsucker” of an article [1] that the Seahawks would be hiring a college guru made all this even funnier. For all the options out there, Seattle made perhaps the least exciting hire possible, which doesn’t mean it’s bad. In fact, it’s probably a pretty good sign because Pete Carroll doesn’t want an exciting, new-fangled offense. He wants a physical, run-based offense.

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Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:47 pm
  • Seymour wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:Rex Ryan was just on Brock and Salk this morning to talk about Schottenheimer, he was Rex's OC in NY..............and the one thing that stuck out about what Rex said about him was he's "loyal."

    So that makes perfect sense, Pete went from one yes man to another, an OC that won't question or challenge Pete on how to run his offense.

    I'll give Brian a chance, cause I need to see how the offense looks before taking a dump on it. But my first impression of this hire is meh, a retread coordinator that Pete hired because he's a yes man that'll run things how Pete wants things run............and not someone with any innovation.


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    So many negative assumptions . . . before he has even called a single play for the Seahawks. That's pathetic, IMO.
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:48 pm
  • I get that Pete wants a pound the rock offense. Then why not hire Greg Roman? He has the same ideas that Shotty dose and he actually has done creative things in the running game. This team doesn't have 2 all-pro linemen on it and this Oline is not coached by Bill Callahan so I really don't see the things that Shotty needs to be here on this team or coaching staff.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:51 pm
  • Stuff we learned

    2. Mark Sanchez isn’t the quarterback you should most associate with Brian Schottenheimer.

    Drew Brees is. Schottenheimer was the Chargers’ quarterbacks coach from 2002 to 2005, which were Brees’ first four years as a starter in the NFL. And in that time, Brees went from a second-round pick in 2001 who sat behind Doug Flutie to someone the Chargers stuck with for two seasons ahead of Philip Rivers, who was drafted No. 4 overall in 2004. Schottenheimer became the Jets’ offensive coordinator at age 33, a position he held through two different head coaches. Now getting his third crack at running an NFL offense, Schottenheimer is going to have the best quarterback he’s had since those four years with Brees back in San Diego.
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:56 pm
  • KitsapGuy wrote:Stuff we learned

    2. Mark Sanchez isn’t the quarterback you should most associate with Brian Schottenheimer.

    Drew Brees is. Schottenheimer was the Chargers’ quarterbacks coach from 2002 to 2005, which were Brees’ first four years as a starter in the NFL. And in that time, Brees went from a second-round pick in 2001 who sat behind Doug Flutie to someone the Chargers stuck with for two seasons ahead of Philip Rivers, who was drafted No. 4 overall in 2004. Schottenheimer became the Jets’ offensive coordinator at age 33, a position he held through two different head coaches. Now getting his third crack at running an NFL offense, Schottenheimer is going to have the best quarterback he’s had since those four years with Brees back in San Diego.


    What Brian did with Andrew Luck just reinforces the fact that he is somewhat of a proven QB guru.

    To be at his best, Russell Wilson needs a balanced rushing attack. Let's see if Brian can help provide that.

    When the defense is unaware of where receivers will line up after shifts or where the run is going, it makes an offense much more difficult to stop. Bevell had little to no understanding of how to accomplish this. He made things so much more difficult on Russell with empty backfield sets on first downs, using out best receiver as a (poor) in-line blocker, not exploiting the short passing game, too many long-developing go routes, his constant predictability, etc.
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:06 pm
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:18 pm
  • I'm not sure I like the idea of the Hawks changing their mind on a hire, even one I dislike as much as Schottenheimer, based on crazed fans on twitter.
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:19 pm
  • KitsapGuy wrote:Stuff we learned

    2. Mark Sanchez isn’t the quarterback you should most associate with Brian Schottenheimer.

    Drew Brees is. Schottenheimer was the Chargers’ quarterbacks coach from 2002 to 2005, which were Brees’ first four years as a starter in the NFL. And in that time, Brees went from a second-round pick in 2001 who sat behind Doug Flutie to someone the Chargers stuck with for two seasons ahead of Philip Rivers, who was drafted No. 4 overall in 2004. Schottenheimer became the Jets’ offensive coordinator at age 33, a position he held through two different head coaches. Now getting his third crack at running an NFL offense, Schottenheimer is going to have the best quarterback he’s had since those four years with Brees back in San Diego.


    You know who else was successful getting his third crack in the NFL? Totally possible Pete sees himself in Schottenhimer or at least knows because someone didn’t succeed in their previous two stints as an OC. Doesn’t mean they can’t learn from mistakes and get the job done.
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:29 pm
  • So do we suppose this person will consistently call an empty backfield formation with 4 wideouts, lined up in tandem pairs on each side, each running a long slow route, with a horrible o-line that can't give 1.2 seconds of time to the QB, on 3rd-and-2 from our own 5 yard line, almost every time? If not, then this new person will be an improvement.
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:30 pm
  • Another thing that many of us were screaming about, screens and check downs. This confirms it, Davis played for Schotty so I am pretty sure this is a valid point.
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:44 pm
  • Seymour wrote:
    The_Z_Man wrote:I just think we hired the exact same guy we fired.

    I've said my piece on it.

    Now we'll wait to see how it pans out, but let me just say that I'll be happy as hell to lose this argument.


    Being wrong in this instance would be fabulous.


    No we didn't. The guy we fired required Cable to be here and involved as run game coordinator. That dysfunctional disconnect is now gone. If nothing else we traded a 2 headed monster for a single headed monster.

    Just love your logic Seymour,hopefully we hire some heads that aren't monster.
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:49 pm
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    That's going to require dramatically improved talent at both OL and TE.

    I often wonder if the reason we ran so few screens is because we knew we didn't have the talent to pull them off. A failed screen is often a loss of yardage.
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    I thought all of the plays were screens this season! The linemen released on every play.
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    I thought all of the plays were screens this season! The linemen released on every play.


    Your confusing release with false starts :)
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:12 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:
    So many negative assumptions . . . before he has even called a single play for the Seahawks. That's pathetic, IMO.


    I've come around a little more today, Schottenheimer could go a long way in helping get the run game back on track.

    He's also never had this talented of a QB to work with, so while this hire doesn't exactly excite me..............I am willing to give any new coach the benefit of the doubt.

    Hey, I'm just happy I don't have to log on Monday mornings anymore and see 50 fire Bevell posts.
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:44 pm
  • There may be hope that Schottenheimer may not become our next OC: In the last two days, Pete let it known that Ken Norton is coming back as DC, and Solaris coming as OL coach but not a word about Schottenheimer. May be push back by 12 is causing Pete to rethink?
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