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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:06 pm
  • Spin Doctor wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Prior to Petes run here you could say the same about him and his antiquated ideals of offense and Simple defense. Yet he made it work, Belichek failed in Cleveland so must be a retread also, most coaches fail before they succeed, many times it's the staff around them that help make them successful and not completely the Coach. Mora was pretty damn good in Atlanta for a while yet we seen what happened in Seattle, although he had a corrupt dealer at the table that set him up for failure before he got a chance really.

    You keep making this comment, but I'm not seeing it. First of all, Mora only had one season in the NFL above .500. Each year he progressively got worse. Carroll had a record of success everywhere he went as defensive coordinator in the NFL, nobody ever called his defense "antiquated". Carroll was also regarded as one of the best secondary coaches/mentors. He had also built one of the most successful college programs. Carroll, as head coach had a record above .500 in the NFL as well. You keep making this comparison, it holds ZERO ground.

    Lets compare Schottenheimers decade long cycle of failures. His most recent being the offensive coordinator of the Bulldogs, which was arguably his biggest failure -- especially when you consider how much the team dipped in offensive production while he was coordinator, and how it jumped back up after he was fired. Carroll, and yes even Belichick had some success in the NFL, Schottenheimer has had none. You're not giving any solid evidence that supports the guys, and that is because there is none. You're just holding out hope that he will magically "get it".

    Unfortunately, we heard the warnings about Bevell, and we heard the warnings about Cable from Viking, and Raider fans. Now we are hearing the same kind of rumblings from other fans about Schotenheimer. What makes you think his tenure will be any different? Our head coach has already demonstrated that he has a streaky track record of hiring offensive coaches. You can be hopelessly optimistic, but I predict that you will be one of those screaming loudest of Schottenheimer's head come regular season.


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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:33 pm
  • Look, I don't think there's a fan in here that cares more about being proven right (About Schotty sucking)..than they care about us winning

    But, can we at least all come to an agreement that it's really hard to be optimistic about Schotty? Like yea, we hope he does great. We hope he has a career year as a coordinator. We hope Russell throws for 40+ TDs. But if past success is a predictor of future success, can we at least admit there's not much to be optimistic about? That we're all just...Hoping?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:40 pm
  • Why is there 10 pages on this topic. Give the guy a chance you nutsos.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:26 pm
  • Scorpion05 wrote:Look, I don't think there's a fan in here that cares more about being proven right (About Schotty sucking)..than they care about us winning

    But, can we at least all come to an agreement that it's really hard to be optimistic about Schotty? Like yea, we hope he does great. We hope he has a career year as a coordinator. We hope Russell throws for 40+ TDs. But if past success is a predictor of future success, can we at least admit there's not much to be optimistic about? That we're all just...Hoping?

    Hoping is really all we got given his history as a coach. I'm just baffled as to why Pete Carroll is willing to give chances to people with such spotty track records. In Schottenheimers case, a man that couldn't even get it done in college, in one of the biggest programs. Why this guy? There were much better options out there, including the guy we let go. Yes -- Darrell Bevell had a better resume than Schottenheimer. Also yes, I am saying that Bevell, as bad as he was is a better coordinator than Schottenheimer.

    Since we have watched this guy, I have been researching frantically trying to find a glimmer of hope. There is little to go on, the games I have watched of him, and the general consensus of fans and opposing fans about Schottenheimer is that he is horrible. The only reason why he has a job is by the virtue of his fathers reputation --- pure nepotism.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:13 pm
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    chris98251 wrote:Prior to Petes run here you could say the same about him and his antiquated ideals of offense and Simple defense. Yet he made it work, Belichek failed in Cleveland so must be a retread also, most coaches fail before they succeed, many times it's the staff around them that help make them successful and not completely the Coach. Mora was pretty damn good in Atlanta for a while yet we seen what happened in Seattle, although he had a corrupt dealer at the table that set him up for failure before he got a chance really.

    You keep making this comment, but I'm not seeing it. First of all, Mora only had one season in the NFL above .500. Each year he progressively got worse. Carroll had a record of success everywhere he went as defensive coordinator in the NFL, nobody ever called his defense "antiquated". Carroll was also regarded as one of the best secondary coaches/mentors. He had also built one of the most successful college programs. Carroll, as head coach had a record above .500 in the NFL as well. You keep making this comparison, it holds ZERO ground.

    Lets compare Schottenheimers decade long cycle of failures. His most recent being the offensive coordinator of the Bulldogs, which was arguably his biggest failure -- especially when you consider how much the team dipped in offensive production while he was coordinator, and how it jumped back up after he was fired. Carroll, and yes even Belichick had some success in the NFL, Schottenheimer has had none. You're not giving any solid evidence that supports the guys, and that is because there is none. You're just holding out hope that he will magically "get it".

    Unfortunately, we heard the warnings about Bevell, and we heard the warnings about Cable from Viking, and Raider fans. Now we are hearing the same kind of rumblings from other fans about Schotenheimer. What makes you think his tenure will be any different? Our head coach has already demonstrated that he has a streaky track record of hiring offensive coaches. You can be hopelessly optimistic, but I predict that you will be one of those screaming loudest of Schottenheimer's head come regular season.


    I look at the system he implements, I look at the track record of coaches who work and fine tune things till they have the pieces, I am optimistic now because the system if allowed to assemble the pieces has worked for 40 plus years, I at least will see what he brings to the table before I tar, feather, hang, and put his head on a pike like you and others are right now.

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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:51 pm
  • NFSeahawks628 wrote:Why is there 10 pages on this topic. Give the guy a chance you nutsos.

    I suspect that a lot of people are feeling stupid now that it's proven that Bevell's worthless and his next job will probably be at a 7-11, so now they're trying to play Nostradamus; because God forbid we base our opinions on evidence in a new environment when we can just look at past bodies of work and selectively decide his future outcome from the comfort of our chairs.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:37 am
  • Hasn't coached a down here and he already sucks. Aaaah, gotta' love the positivity on dot net :lol:
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:42 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Hasn't coached a down here and he already sucks. Aaaah, gotta' love the positivity on dot net :lol:


    I never had Mary Kay Letourneau as a teacher, but that doesn't mean that I didn't know that I would have liked to have "had her". :twisted:
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:57 am
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:22 am
  • Scorpion05 wrote:Look, I don't think there's a fan in here that cares more about being proven right (About Schotty sucking)..than they care about us winning

    But, can we at least all come to an agreement that it's really hard to be optimistic about Schotty? Like yea, we hope he does great. We hope he has a career year as a coordinator. We hope Russell throws for 40+ TDs. But if past success is a predictor of future success, can we at least admit there's not much to be optimistic about? That we're all just...Hoping?


    So yeah, I'm pretty much with you on this, hoping rather than feeling confident or comfortable. But what really helps me is my belief that Darell Bevell wasn't the big problem with the offense. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we replaced him and he certainly wasn't the solution, but with Bevell and a decent kicker we go 11-5 last year.

    you know who's offense I just loved watching recently? The Eagles. The Eagles and Doug Pederson came up with a scheme and a series of plays that maximized Nick Foles' abilities and seemingly gave their offense a number of creative options on every play. And one of those (less creative) options was always run the ball up the gut, if it's there. I loved it, the Vikings and the Falcons never really knew what was going to happen on any given play, and those two D's are damn good.

    I would so love to see some creativity and flexibility instituted in our offense. When the time came for the Eagles to run out the clock, where they needed to convert 3rd downs, the Eagles had some safe and subtle short passing plays that broke the Vikings back. This is one of the things we needed this year. The times we failed on 3rd and short at critical moments in the game was beyond frustrating.

    Please, Schotty, please just be creative with the offense. I think part of the problem with the Seahawks offense was that they were telegraphing their plays. Malcolm Butler said as much after the SB. In the NFL, making a DB or LB take one momentary step in the wrong direction can be the difference between the success or failure of a play.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:14 pm
  • Bevell being interviewed by Cardinals for their open OC position.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:39 pm
  • xgeoff wrote:you know who's offense I just loved watching recently? The Eagles. The Eagles and Doug Pederson came up with a scheme and a series of plays that maximized Nick Foles' abilities and seemingly gave their offense a number of creative options on every play.


    Who wants to tell him that the Eagles used...bubble screens?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:51 pm
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    xgeoff wrote:you know who's offense I just loved watching recently? The Eagles. The Eagles and Doug Pederson came up with a scheme and a series of plays that maximized Nick Foles' abilities and seemingly gave their offense a number of creative options on every play.


    Who wants to tell him that the Eagles used...bubble screens?


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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:52 pm
  • xgeoff wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    xgeoff wrote:you know who's offense I just loved watching recently? The Eagles. The Eagles and Doug Pederson came up with a scheme and a series of plays that maximized Nick Foles' abilities and seemingly gave their offense a number of creative options on every play.


    Who wants to tell him that the Eagles used...bubble screens?


    LOL! Nooooooo!


    Yep. :)

    But the difference is that they used well-blocked bubble screens. They actually have an OL, blocking TE's, and WR's who can block.

    The downfield and lateral blocking is something that really took a nosedive on this team since 2014, and nobody's been talking about it.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:20 pm
  • Scorpion05 wrote:Look, I don't think there's a fan in here that cares more about being proven right (About Schotty sucking)..than they care about us winning

    But, can we at least all come to an agreement that it's really hard to be optimistic about Schotty? Like yea, we hope he does great. We hope he has a career year as a coordinator. We hope Russell throws for 40+ TDs. But if past success is a predictor of future success, can we at least admit there's not much to be optimistic about? That we're all just...Hoping?


    That's exactly it. I hope the guy succeeds. I truly do. I WANT to eat crow on this one.

    But if we're pointing out facts, it's hard to be optimistic about this guy. He literally has produced NOTHING to hang our hopes on. That's all we're saying.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:27 pm
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    xgeoff wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    xgeoff wrote:you know who's offense I just loved watching recently? The Eagles. The Eagles and Doug Pederson came up with a scheme and a series of plays that maximized Nick Foles' abilities and seemingly gave their offense a number of creative options on every play.


    Who wants to tell him that the Eagles used...bubble screens?


    LOL! Nooooooo!


    Yep. :)

    But the difference is that they used well-blocked bubble screens. They actually have an OL, blocking TE's, and WR's who can block.

    The downfield and lateral blocking is something that really took a nosedive on this team since 2014, and nobody's been talking about it.


    Yeah, and this meshes with what I said about Bevell, which is that he was not really the problem. Do I think that Pederson would be hampered if Tom Cable was his run coordinator? Yep.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:32 pm
  • xgeoff wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    xgeoff wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    Who wants to tell him that the Eagles used...bubble screens?


    LOL! Nooooooo!


    Yep. :)

    But the difference is that they used well-blocked bubble screens. They actually have an OL, blocking TE's, and WR's who can block.

    The downfield and lateral blocking is something that really took a nosedive on this team since 2014, and nobody's been talking about it.


    Yeah, and this meshes with what I said about Bevell, which is that he was not really the problem. Do I think that Pederson would be hampered if Tom Cable was his run coordinator? Yep.


    I don't believe he was the major problem myself, but he sure was a part of it. Teaching the WR's how to block the bubble screens properly and throwing it to the right WR at the right time is a big part of making this work. Oh....and if you threw it 3 times for -5 and you continue to "test them", you are now the idiot.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:33 pm
  • If Shotty fails, so does Pete. So I'm not that worried about it. Paul Allen is going to give Pete a chance to shake things up, and run things his way. If it succeeds, then so be it. If it fails, Allen will let Carroll go and start over. So I'm not too worried about it.

    I get a pretty big kick out of some of the posters on here, though. You're ready to trash Shotty because you're angry we didn't hire DeFillipo. Thing is, DeFillipo doesn't have a resume either. He's just the flavor of the week.

    Reminds me of when we hired Carroll and over half of this forum was seething with anger and calling Paul Allen a fool for not hiring John Gruden. Which is pretty amusing. I never wanted Gruden. He was never that great of a coach in the NFL. But there are a lot of people here who buy whatever they hear on the radio or TV, whatever the flavor of the week is, that's what they want.

    I'm glad that Paul Allen knows better, and I'm glad that Carroll doesn't give a crap about fads. I'm confident that we will improve and if we don't, that Paul Allen will take the necessary steps to make sure we do.

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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:47 pm
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    NFSeahawks628 wrote:Why is there 10 pages on this topic. Give the guy a chance you nutsos.

    I suspect that a lot of people are feeling stupid now that it's proven that Bevell's worthless and his next job will probably be at a 7-11, so now they're trying to play Nostradamus; because God forbid we base our opinions on evidence in a new environment when we can just look at past bodies of work and selectively decide his future outcome from the comfort of our chairs.

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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:50 pm
  • HansGruber wrote:If Shotty fails, so does Pete. So I'm not that worried about it. Paul Allen is going to give Pete a chance to shake things up, and run things his way. If it succeeds, then so be it. If it fails, Allen will let Carroll go and start over. So I'm not too worried about it.

    I get a pretty big kick out of some of the posters on here, though. You're ready to trash Shotty because you're angry we didn't hire DeFillipo. Thing is, DeFillipo doesn't have a resume either. He's just the flavor of the week.

    Reminds me of when we hired Carroll and over half of this forum was seething with anger and calling Paul Allen a fool for not hiring John Gruden. Which is pretty amusing. I never wanted Gruden. He was never that great of a coach in the NFL. But there are a lot of people here who buy whatever they hear on the radio or TV, whatever the flavor of the week is, that's what they want.

    I'm glad that Paul Allen knows better, and I'm glad that Carroll doesn't give a crap about fads. I'm confident that we will improve and if we don't, that Paul Allen will take the necessary steps to make sure we do.

    It's great being a Seahawks fan.

    Your first paragraph brings the point home. :2thumbs:
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:53 pm
  • Blitzer88 wrote:Bevell being interviewed by Cardinals for their open OC position.


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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:54 pm
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    NFSeahawks628 wrote:Why is there 10 pages on this topic. Give the guy a chance you nutsos.

    I suspect that a lot of people are feeling stupid now that it's proven that Bevell's worthless and his next job will probably be at a 7-11, so now they're trying to play Nostradamus; because God forbid we base our opinions on evidence in a new environment when we can just look at past bodies of work and selectively decide his future outcome from the comfort of our chairs.


    Right, some people are quite dense.

    Don't worry, we'll revisit this thread midseason.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:14 pm
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:Who wants to tell him that the Eagles used...bubble screens?

    Who wants to tell him that they did them in a way that actually worked?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:28 pm
  • Next year is ALL on Pete. Win or lose. If Cable was the problem, then whose fault was that? Who gave him the titles he had? Same goes for Bevell. Same goes for Shotty. Pete should have made these changes after The Play. He refused and the team has suffered. This is Pete's second chance. Screw it up and bye bye.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:35 pm
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    NFSeahawks628 wrote:Why is there 10 pages on this topic. Give the guy a chance you nutsos.

    I suspect that a lot of people are feeling stupid now that it's proven that Bevell's worthless and his next job will probably be at a 7-11, so now they're trying to play Nostradamus; because God forbid we base our opinions on evidence in a new environment when we can just look at past bodies of work and selectively decide his future outcome from the comfort of our chairs.


    Regardless of how it turns out Bevell needed to go along with Cable....SOMETHING had to change on offense because we werent getting it done and super inconsistent. Cant rely on back yard football with Wilson every game. If it was up to me I would of fired him after the superbowl. Player Morale slowly declined year after year from that one play
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:25 am
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    MontanaHawk05 wrote:Who wants to tell him that the Eagles used...bubble screens?

    Who wants to tell him that they did them in a way that actually worked?


    You're eight posts behind this sub-debate, catch up.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:52 am
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    Scorpion05 wrote:Look, I don't think there's a fan in here that cares more about being proven right (About Schotty sucking)..than they care about us winning

    But, can we at least all come to an agreement that it's really hard to be optimistic about Schotty? Like yea, we hope he does great. We hope he has a career year as a coordinator. We hope Russell throws for 40+ TDs. But if past success is a predictor of future success, can we at least admit there's not much to be optimistic about? That we're all just...Hoping?


    That's exactly it. I hope the guy succeeds. I truly do. I WANT to eat crow on this one.

    But if we're pointing out facts, it's hard to be optimistic about this guy. He literally has produced NOTHING to hang our hopes on. That's all we're saying.



    Yea, at this point I’m going to let this go though. Other fans here are literally calling people dense, stupid, etc. for actually doing research and questioning what Schotty brings to the table. The nerve of us

    And you know what? I bet Raiders fans, or ANY other fan base that would have received Tom Cable, would have the EXACT same reaction to Cable. Can we honestly say that Schotty’s track record is better than Cable’s?

    By mid-season this will turn into a petty, immature pissing match. If Schotty succeeds, some will pretend as if they knew he would. If Schotty fails, some will create a million threads about it. I wish we could just objectively debate the facts as they stand. And RIGHT NOW, the facts do not give me hope. I have nothing against Schotty as a man, and the last thing I want is another wasted season
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:05 am
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    SoulfishHawk wrote:Hasn't coached a down here and he already sucks. Aaaah, gotta' love the positivity on dot net :lol:


    I never had Mary Kay Letourneau as a teacher, but that doesn't mean that I didn't know that I would have liked to have "had her". :twisted:


    Weird reference to just pull out of the blue. Like, really weird.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:12 am
  • Mojambo wrote:
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    SoulfishHawk wrote:Hasn't coached a down here and he already sucks. Aaaah, gotta' love the positivity on dot net :lol:


    I never had Mary Kay Letourneau as a teacher, but that doesn't mean that I didn't know that I would have liked to have "had her". :twisted:


    Weird reference to just pull out of the blue. Like, really weird.


    Maybe to you was "out of the blue", but possibly not everyone in the conversation? :idea:
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:13 am
  • Seymour wrote:
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    Seymour wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Hasn't coached a down here and he already sucks. Aaaah, gotta' love the positivity on dot net :lol:


    I never had Mary Kay Letourneau as a teacher, but that doesn't mean that I didn't know that I would have liked to have "had her". :twisted:


    Weird reference to just pull out of the blue. Like, really weird.


    Maybe to you was "out of the blue", but possibly not everyone in the conversation? :idea:

    It was weird to me because I'm not 84.

    Anyway continue. :lol:
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  • I know Schotty personally, he's a great guy........................
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:25 am
  • As Hans pointed out, the root of the issue will be clear.

    We are going to know shortly if the problem is the coordinators or Pete.

    Since we don't really get a say in the matter, I will just wait to see if next season gets better....or worse.

    Not optimistic about it, but I suppose still hopeful.
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:30 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:As Hans pointed out, the root of the issue will be clear.

    We are going to know shortly if the problem is the coordinators or Pete.

    Since we don't really get a say in the matter, I will just wait to see if next season gets better....or worse.

    Not optimistic about it, but I suppose still hopeful.


    How are we gona know this? What if it's both Pete for hiring underwhelming people, but im still apt to giving them a chance.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:14 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:As Hans pointed out, the root of the issue will be clear.

    We are going to know shortly if the problem is the coordinators or Pete.

    Since we don't really get a say in the matter, I will just wait to see if next season gets better....or worse.

    Not optimistic about it, but I suppose still hopeful.


    You can wait if you like, but the hire itself (along with keeping Bevell so long) tells me it is Pete holding this offense back.

    That said, an improved oline will be the fools gold that will keep this questionable since I expect improvement from that alone.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:44 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:As Hans pointed out, the root of the issue will be clear.

    We are going to know shortly if the problem is the coordinators or Pete.

    Since we don't really get a say in the matter, I will just wait to see if next season gets better....or worse.

    Not optimistic about it, but I suppose still hopeful.


    We will know right away, if we refuse to use the middle of the field and seam routes and everything is edge and away or deep and or over their heads.
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:34 pm
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:Who wants to tell him that the Eagles used...bubble screens?

    Who wants to tell him that they did them in a way that actually worked?


    You're eight posts behind this sub-debate, catch up.

    Apparently I need to. After page five or six, I started only reading intermittent posts in this thread, to be honest. :)
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:Who wants to tell him that the Eagles used...bubble screens?

    Who wants to tell him that they did them in a way that actually worked?


    You're eight posts behind this sub-debate, catch up.

    Apparently I need to. After page five or six, I started only reading intermittent posts in this thread, to be honest. :)


    I suppose I can't blame you for that. It's not like I perused everything before my own post...
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:54 pm
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    xgeoff wrote:you know who's offense I just loved watching recently? The Eagles. The Eagles and Doug Pederson came up with a scheme and a series of plays that maximized Nick Foles' abilities and seemingly gave their offense a number of creative options on every play.


    Who wants to tell him that the Eagles used...bubble screens?


    LOL! Nooooooo!


    Yep. :)

    But the difference is that they used well-blocked bubble screens. They actually have an OL, blocking TE's, and WR's who can block.

    The downfield and lateral blocking is something that really took a nosedive on this team since 2014, and nobody's been talking about it.



    Again, the overlooked part of this is that Bevell and Cable were fairly ineffective as teachers. The offensive coordinator doesn't just call plays on Sunday. The players have the talent but Bevell/Cable weren't bringing it out. Time to see if someone else can.

    The "scheme" is the most overrated element in football by fans.

    Some of this falls on Wilson as a leader. If he wants to win multiple super bowl's he needs to demand perfection from his teammates.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:12 pm
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    Scorpion05 wrote:Look, I don't think there's a fan in here that cares more about being proven right (About Schotty sucking)..than they care about us winning

    But, can we at least all come to an agreement that it's really hard to be optimistic about Schotty? Like yea, we hope he does great. We hope he has a career year as a coordinator. We hope Russell throws for 40+ TDs. But if past success is a predictor of future success, can we at least admit there's not much to be optimistic about? That we're all just...Hoping?

    Hoping is really all we got given his history as a coach. I'm just baffled as to why Pete Carroll is willing to give chances to people with such spotty track records. In Schottenheimers case, a man that couldn't even get it done in college, in one of the biggest programs. Why this guy? There were much better options out there, including the guy we let go. Yes -- Darrell Bevell had a better resume than Schottenheimer. Also yes, I am saying that Bevell, as bad as he was is a better coordinator than Schottenheimer.

    Since we have watched this guy, I have been researching frantically trying to find a glimmer of hope. There is little to go on, the games I have watched of him, and the general consensus of fans and opposing fans about Schottenheimer is that he is horrible. The only reason why he has a job is by the virtue of his fathers reputation --- pure nepotism.



    I will say this about Schotty. I think Wilson will really like him, personality wise at least. I used to see tapes of Schotty and Sanchez in the film room, and Schotty has just the kind of firey, hard ass, yet fun and supportive personality that Russell is probably craving

    Will that translate to a great offense? I don't know, but it's something. Wilson is great enough that we will still have at least a solid offense. I just want greatness
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:21 pm
  • I pretty much hate all our new coaching picks except for Solari which I'm luke warm on. Write it down, take a picture. I'm cool with it.
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:46 pm
  • I would like to see someone get in Wilsons earhole when needed and not so chummy. I hope he brings that, all in moderation of course, you want to check him on his mistakes and challenge him to do better without him tuning you out.
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  • Some have implied if not speculated Bevell was in essence too nice, ultimately not able to keep Wilson strictly adhering to fundamentals such as throwing on time at the end of his initial drop backs and keeping more within the structure of the offense. That line of thinking says Schottenheimer will be the opposite, an intense yeller who will ride Wilson much harder.


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    Honeymoon speak, at least they sound open minded, although they kinda have to at this point.
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  • chris98251 wrote:I would like to see someone get in Wilsons earhole when needed and not so chummy. I hope he brings that, all in moderation of course, you want to check him on his mistakes and challenge him to do better without him tuning you out.
    I'd rather RW be like Brady and speak up.
    If he is the wimpy type that can't handle it and tunes people out that know better
    then maybe he is not going to get any better than last year.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:45 am
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    xgeoff wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    xgeoff wrote:you know who's offense I just loved watching recently? The Eagles. The Eagles and Doug Pederson came up with a scheme and a series of plays that maximized Nick Foles' abilities and seemingly gave their offense a number of creative options on every play.


    Who wants to tell him that the Eagles used...bubble screens?


    LOL! Nooooooo!


    Yep. :)

    But the difference is that they used well-blocked bubble screens. They actually have an OL, blocking TE's, and WR's who can block.

    The downfield and lateral blocking is something that really took a nosedive on this team since 2014, and nobody's been talking about it.


    The difference is FAST developing bubble screens with a pulling guard and FullBack to lead block.
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:24 pm
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    chris98251 wrote:I would like to see someone get in Wilsons earhole when needed and not so chummy. I hope he brings that, all in moderation of course, you want to check him on his mistakes and challenge him to do better without him tuning you out.


    I'd rather RW be like Brady and speak up.

    If he is the wimpy type that can't handle it and tunes people out that know better
    then maybe he is not going to get any better than last year.


    OMG. "If Russell is the Wimpy type that tunes people out who know better..."

    What, like fans?

    Schottenheimer will be just fine. Firing Cable and hiring Solari is the the big change that we needed. Our struggles all came down to the offensive line.

    People want to say that "Everyone warned us about Bevell," but we got to 2 Superbowls and won one of them.

    "The INT" was on several people, and Ricardo Lockette must take partial responsibility for not going hard to the ball. It was his route, and Malcolm was his DB to beat to the ball.

    But replacing Bevell will help this team get past that play. That's why it had to be done. Like someone mentioned earlier, if not for Blair Walsh, we would have been 11-5. We have never been a bad team under Pete. Yet people are ready to fire him and can his new OC.

    You can't evaluate Schottenheimer based solely on hand picked stats. What about being a top 10 running game for 3 years? And Top 10 in rushing touchdowns for 4?

    If you're going to judge the man, you have to take in to account the talent he had to work with. Marc Sanchez in NY. Some random QB in Georgia that was replaced by a rookie. I can't even remember the carousel he had at St Louis. But they managed to beat us.

    We can learn from the past, but it's difficult to base the future solely on a few stats. Brian has never had a QB the caliber of Russell Wilson. And his dad was one of the best at putting together a running game to ever coach in the NFL.

    All Russell needs is some blocking, and a run game, and he will be MVP. He was almost MVP without them. RW is one of those rare talents at QB, that who his OC is, isn't nearly as important as, who is Oline Coach is.

    Tom Brady had some struggles a while back, until Belicheck talked his old Oline coach (Dante Scarnecchia) out of retirement, then his production skyrocketed again. The same is true for Russell.
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:53 pm
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    chris98251 wrote:I would like to see someone get in Wilsons earhole when needed and not so chummy. I hope he brings that, all in moderation of course, you want to check him on his mistakes and challenge him to do better without him tuning you out.
    I'd rather RW be like Brady and speak up.
    If he is the wimpy type that can't handle it and tunes people out that know better
    then maybe he is not going to get any better than last year.


    You want a goldilocks situation then - one where RW speaks up and takes people to task but isn't a locker room cancer who speaks up and takes people to task.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:47 pm
  • If we're going the recycled route, is Bill Callahan available? Currently with the Redskins, he might reunite with Gruden in Oakland. I'm not in the loop, but throwing it out there...
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:36 pm
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    IndyHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:I would like to see someone get in Wilsons earhole when needed and not so chummy. I hope he brings that, all in moderation of course, you want to check him on his mistakes and challenge him to do better without him tuning you out.


    I'd rather RW be like Brady and speak up.

    If he is the wimpy type that can't handle it and tunes people out that know better
    then maybe he is not going to get any better than last year.


    OMG. "If Russell is the Wimpy type that tunes people out who know better..."

    What, like fans?

    Schottenheimer will be just fine. Firing Cable and hiring Solari is the the big change that we needed. Our struggles all came down to the offensive line.

    People want to say that "Everyone warned us about Bevell," but we got to 2 Superbowls and won one of them.

    "The INT" was on several people, and Ricardo Lockette must take partial responsibility for not going hard to the ball. It was his route, and Malcolm was his DB to beat to the ball.

    But replacing Bevell will help this team get past that play. That's why it had to be done. Like someone mentioned earlier, if not for Blair Walsh, we would have been 11-5. We have never been a bad team under Pete. Yet people are ready to fire him and can his new OC.

    You can't evaluate Schottenheimer based solely on hand picked stats. What about being a top 10 running game for 3 years? And Top 10 in rushing touchdowns for 4?

    If you're going to judge the man, you have to take in to account the talent he had to work with. Marc Sanchez in NY. Some random QB in Georgia that was replaced by a rookie. I can't even remember the carousel he had at St Louis. But they managed to beat us.

    We can learn from the past, but it's difficult to base the future solely on a few stats. Brian has never had a QB the caliber of Russell Wilson. And his dad was one of the best at putting together a running game to ever coach in the NFL.

    All Russell needs is some blocking, and a run game, and he will be MVP. He was almost MVP without them. RW is one of those rare talents at QB, that who his OC is, isn't nearly as important as, who is Oline Coach is.

    Tom Brady had some struggles a while back, until Belicheck talked his old Oline coach (Dante Scarnecchia) out of retirement, then his production skyrocketed again. The same is true for Russell.

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