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  • Well, when Wilson's passes are three times further downfield than Carr's, it kinda balances out.
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  • Still refusing to take the check downs I see.
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  • Was probalby wondering where the hell the d'linemen were. Not used to throwing while not fearing for his life.
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  • Time to trade him.
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  • It was just the first half, let's wait until the second half to see how he does.
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  • He started off quick and fell off a cliff, quite the opposite to what were used to!

    I was fully expecting him to ace it.
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  • Did you see Russell help Michael Thomas win the receiving competition?
    This pro bowl skills is more fun to watch than the game. I wish we had a kicker that could even play kick tac Toe.

    http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=22215721
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  • To be honest, I was surprised at how all of the QB's did. I figured they all would just nail every target the whole time.
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  • Wait a minute how did Derek Carr get to the probowl, he's been awful?
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  • UK_Seahawk wrote:Wait a minute how did Derek Carr get to the probowl, he's been awful?


    Mainly because everyone above him didn't want to go.
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  • Gah so many missed targets. However every ball was catchable with a human on the other end.
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  • UK_Seahawk wrote:Wait a minute how did Derek Carr get to the probowl, he's been awful?



    It’s a popularity contest. As well as said above all the others ahead of him decided to pass on the game.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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  • UK_Seahawk wrote:Wait a minute how did Derek Carr get to the probowl, he's been awful?


    Same way RW got there.

    Russ played like it was still December but his fans can't blame the OL.
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  • Is the Pro Bowl on right now?(I don’t get sports channels)
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  • Seafan wrote:
    UK_Seahawk wrote:Wait a minute how did Derek Carr get to the probowl, he's been awful?


    Same way RW got there.

    Russ played like it was still December but his fans can't blame the OL.


    No, Russ was voted in initially, which means a lot more than coming in as an alternate like Carr did. I believe he was second in voting to Wentz.

    Not sure why you're using a probowl competition to denigrate our QB. What do you have to say about him being a part of Michael Thomas winning the "Best Hands" competition?

    Also, he was only attempting the difficult throws and if there was a person there to catch them, they would've been caught. Still, Russ, ya gotta take those checkdowns sometimes man!
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  • I'm wondering if this isn't an area where RW needs to work on his game? It could explain the high overthrows and the constant falling down of the WRs after they catch a pass b/c they have to extend so far to snag it.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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  • Seafan wrote:
    UK_Seahawk wrote:Wait a minute how did Derek Carr get to the probowl, he's been awful?


    Same way RW got there.

    Russ played like it was still December but his fans can't blame the OL.


    Russ didn't do well throwing at those cardboard cutouts but he excelled when actually throwing to a real receiver. He helped Michael Thomas easily win the receiving contest.
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  • He's washed up and has lost his Mojo. Too short and has to bail out early from the pocket to survey the field, impossible for O-Lineman to pass protect with a QB like this. It's only going to get worse fellas. Strap in and enjoy the ride into .500 football from here on out.
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  • RCATES wrote:He's washed up and has lost his Mojo. Too short and has to bail out early from the pocket to survey the field, impossible for O-Lineman to pass protect with a QB like this. It's only going to get worse fellas. Strap in and enjoy the ride into .500 football from here on out.




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  • RCATES wrote:He's washed up and has lost his Mojo. Too short and has to bail out early from the pocket to survey the field, impossible for O-Lineman to pass protect with a QB like this. It's only going to get worse fellas. Strap in and enjoy the ride into .500 football from here on out.


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  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Still refusing to take the check downs I see.


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  • Seymour wrote:
    RCATES wrote:He's washed up and has lost his Mojo. Too short and has to bail out early from the pocket to survey the field, impossible for O-Lineman to pass protect with a QB like this. It's only going to get worse fellas. Strap in and enjoy the ride into .500 football from here on out.


    Is this a joke? You can't be serious can you?


    Dang I guess he needed the :sarcasm_on:
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  • Someone should've told him that it's 2 min before the end of the half or the 4th qtr when the defense is playing prevent. He would've actually looked like a professional QB.
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  • RCATES wrote:He's washed up and has lost his Mojo. Too short and has to bail out early from the pocket to survey the field, impossible for O-Lineman to pass protect with a QB like this. It's only going to get worse fellas. Strap in and enjoy the ride into .500 football from here on out.



    ludakrishna wrote:Someone should've told him that it's 2 min before the end of the half or the 4th qtr when the defense is playing prevent. He would've actually looked like a professional QB.


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  • Does anyone have any data to support the fact that Wilson gets most of his production against prevent defenses?

    Also his career passer ratings are 90+ in every quarter and he actually was rated higher in the first half than the second half of games just last year. The stark first to fourth quarter discrepancy was new this year.
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  • RCATES wrote:He's washed up and has lost his Mojo. Too short and has to bail out early from the pocket to survey the field, impossible for O-Lineman to pass protect with a QB like this. It's only going to get worse fellas. Strap in and enjoy the ride into .500 football from here on out.



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  • He needed 19 for the nfc to have a hope of a win so he went for the big point targets right away.
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  • randomation wrote:He needed 19 for the nfc to have a hope of a win so he went for the big point targets right away.


    Schotty is going to have to clean the Bevell off of him with a fire hose.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    randomation wrote:He needed 19 for the nfc to have a hope of a win so he went for the big point targets right away.


    Schotty is going to have to clean the Bevell off of him with a fire hose.


    What? He needed a minimum of 19 and that's if Smith hit no targets after him if he didn't get basically every target the NFC would lose so no point in not trying to get the big ones done first.
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  • adeltaY wrote:Does anyone have any data to support the fact that Wilson gets most of his production against prevent defenses?

    Also his career passer ratings are 90+ in every quarter and he actually was rated higher in the first half than the second half of games just last year. The stark first to fourth quarter discrepancy was new this year.


    A big problem was no running game to support him so defenses could dictate how they played him and they played him well. Hawks were competitive against the Rams in LA and the Eagles due to defensive turnovers. Without a running game there is not much to look forward to with this offense. I guess there are fans who enjoy having his 34 TDs on their fantasy teams but the Hawks were not competitive. If they had snuck into the playoffs by beating the Cards they would have been blown out. Look at December. This team was not getting better as PC was hoping/expecting so the house cleaning was predictable. There is no doubt that when the pressure comes off RW is when he shines and therefore he was performing well in the 4th quarters except for those few times defensive coordinators decided to keep the pressure on him.

    But when he had no defensive pressure at all in this stupid passing competition he was the worst passer out there. Perhaps he hadn't picked up a ball in several weeks. And as someone else suggested maybe his receivers need more of the credit for his completions than they are getting. Don't tell me it should take 3 seasons for a NFL QB to figure out how to throw an end zone pass to a 6'-7" receiver.

    Bottom line: Hawks better get a running game really soon.
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  • Did you all forget what he did in the second half of 2015 with semi decent pass protection and no running game to speak of? Our biggest issues is we are so wedded to the ground and pound game when we already have an all pro level qb. Instead of maximizing him we have to win Pete's way which pretty much always leads to tight close games when if we play called like we did against Houston we would blow the doors off 80% or more of the league.
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  • randomation wrote:Did you all forget what he did in the second half of 2015 with semi decent pass protection and no running game to speak of?


    No running game to speak of? From week 10 on, there was only one game in which the RB's didn't rush for 100 yards or more. Heck Christine Michael even had a 100 yard game and we wont bring up the game Rawls went for over 200. There was plenty of running game during that stretch.
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  • Did anyone of you even watch the Precision Passing Event?

    Carr hit the 5 pointer, which is supposed to be the hardest one, at his first attempt. Russell tried it multiple times and couldn't quite make it but his throws weren't off by a lot. The sample size here is small and who here is sure that Carr would still be superior with a much higher sample size?

    Besides that, he needed to go for the big points to have a chance to win, as randomation pointed out.

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    randomation wrote:He needed 19 for the nfc to have a hope of a win so he went for the big point targets right away.


    Schotty is going to have to clean the Bevell off of him with a fire hose.


    What? He needed a minimum of 19 and that's if Smith hit no targets after him if he didn't get basically every target the NFC would lose so no point in not trying to get the big ones done first.
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  • FWIW I always remember how well Rick MIrer did in these competitions.... so there is that.
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  • Seafan wrote:
    UK_Seahawk wrote:Wait a minute how did Derek Carr get to the probowl, he's been awful?


    Same way RW got there.

    Russ played like it was still December but his fans can't blame the OL.



    I don’t know what this even means, but no Wilson was one of the original 3 NFC QBs that made it. Carr was like the third alternate. Also, AFC QBs were pretty trash this year outside of Brady, Ben, and Alex Smith.
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  • Probably why he’s getting a new QB coach. Hopefully Brian can help him improve his accuracy. Having a bigger set of plays to work with than just go routes would help there.
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  • I saw Russ at the park today throwing frisbees to his dog and his accuracy was noticeably off. The dog was running crisp routes all day and the frisbees just weren't catchable. I think we're gonna have to cut him, he's done.
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  • Seafan wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:Does anyone have any data to support the fact that Wilson gets most of his production against prevent defenses?

    Also his career passer ratings are 90+ in every quarter and he actually was rated higher in the first half than the second half of games just last year. The stark first to fourth quarter discrepancy was new this year.


    A big problem was no running game to support him so defenses could dictate how they played him and they played him well. Hawks were competitive against the Rams in LA and the Eagles due to defensive turnovers. Without a running game there is not much to look forward to with this offense. I guess there are fans who enjoy having his 34 TDs on their fantasy teams but the Hawks were not competitive. If they had snuck into the playoffs by beating the Cards they would have been blown out. Look at December. This team was not getting better as PC was hoping/expecting so the house cleaning was predictable. There is no doubt that when the pressure comes off RW is when he shines and therefore he was performing well in the 4th quarters except for those few times defensive coordinators decided to keep the pressure on him.

    But when he had no defensive pressure at all in this stupid passing competition he was the worst passer out there. Perhaps he hadn't picked up a ball in several weeks. And as someone else suggested maybe his receivers need more of the credit for his completions than they are getting. Don't tell me it should take 3 seasons for a NFL QB to figure out how to throw an end zone pass to a 6'-7" receiver.

    Bottom line: Hawks better get a running game really soon.


    We had, what, one meaningful turnover against the Eagles? The pick was a desperation throw with two minutes left in the fourth when we were already up 24-10. The offense played very well against a great Eagles D. I definitely agree with your overall point, our offense was so one dimensional that we had to pass and it was more difficult to pass because teams knew what was coming. We do need a running game.
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  • brimsalabim wrote:Did you see Russell help Michael Thomas win the receiving competition?
    This pro bowl skills is more fun to watch than the game. I wish we had a kicker that could even play kick tac Toe.

    http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=22215721


    This is exactly what I was thinking. Russ' passes were so spot on here. At least half of the credit for this win should go to Russ.
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  • Threw an INT in the Pro Bowl...
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  • He threw a pick in a practice game? Cut him :lol:
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:He threw a pick in a practice game? Cut him :lol:


    Too short. :stirthepot:
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  • Way too nice to be an NFL QB
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  • randomation wrote:He needed 19 for the nfc to have a hope of a win so he went for the big point targets right away.


    All them went for the big point targets right away, though. They all started with the deep corner shots and then alternated between the high and low deep crossers and the rotating mid-level passes. I don't think a single person even attempted one of the one pointers.

    Regardless though, like the pro-bowl, this event was just for fun. Results from it have nothing to do with anything, IMO.
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  • Pro Bowl means absolutely nothing. Never has, never will.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Pro Bowl means absolutely nothing. Never has, never will.


    Except for those players that have bonus $$ tied to it, and those losers that gave up $32,000 difference to the winners.

    Not to mention the agents that leverage this at contract negotiation time.
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  • Maybe he was just in shock because of a clean pocket?
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